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Fast, so we will all right now. 00:00:00
Are you guys ready? 00:00:03
OK. 00:00:05
I'm going to call to order the July meeting of the Planning Commission. 00:00:07
Our first item of business is approval of the minutes from our last month's meeting. 00:00:12
Are there edits or additions that need to be made? 00:00:17
No, All right. Do we have a motion on approval? 00:00:23
Move to approve. Do we have a 2nd I'll second? 00:00:27
OK, all those in favour, aye. 00:00:30
All right, minutes have been approved. 00:00:32
Our next item is approval on the agenda and we do have two changes to the agenda. 00:00:35
So this will. 00:00:42
Shorten our evening slightly. 00:00:43
So item number 7 and item number 8. 00:00:46
Have both been withdrawn. 00:00:49
So a little shorter of an agenda. 00:00:52
Any other additions or edits that? 00:00:56
Anyone has for the agenda? 00:00:59
All right. Do we have a motion to approve the amended agenda? 00:01:01
All right, second, second. 00:01:05
All right, all those in favor. 00:01:08
All right, we have no old business. 00:01:10
So I think we can start right in. 00:01:14
New business. 00:01:16
So this is tax parcel. 00:01:18
135O37-E. 00:01:23
And this is a rezoning from C2 to R5. 00:01:25
Do we have a representative for the for the owner of the property? 00:01:29
If you want to come forward, if there's anything you want to add or tell us about. 00:01:33
The project. 00:01:38
If you. Yeah. 00:01:40
And if you will, for all anyone who's giving testimony, if you'll give your name and your address before you start your comments. 00:01:42
Yeah. Hey, good afternoon, Jonathan Mcdill. 00:01:47
493 Harbor View, Woodbine. 00:01:55
It's a little back up a little bit. 00:01:57
Um, I'm representing Greg Disbrow on this project. He's the owner of the property. 00:02:02
And he's looking to. 00:02:06
Rezone the C2 to R5. 00:02:09
And here to answer any questions that you may have. 00:02:12
I don't know if you want to. 00:02:15
If you want me to kind of run through it or if that was OK. 00:02:17
So this is off of proposed. 00:02:21
Extension of Linda St. 00:02:24
That has not happened yet and I think there's some coordination between the two property owners. 00:02:26
Umm, to get that done. So this is. 00:02:31
That is a part of this. 00:02:35
But you can see the property to the West right there. Yep, right behind. 00:02:38
What used to be Church's Chicken? Is it fitness? 00:02:43
LA Fitness or something? 00:02:46
So that property there and then. 00:02:49
I believe we had. 00:02:52
12. 00:02:54
Units. What was it, 16? 00:02:58
We went back and forth a few times. So off the top medical. 00:03:00
1919. 00:03:05
With a common space so. 00:03:07
I believe we've met. 00:03:10
The open space requirements and all that, and I think the R5 gives us the. 00:03:12
Density and without. 00:03:16
Too many concessions. 00:03:18
Try to put a, you know, pretty. 00:03:20
Clear Landscape plan on how we're going to meet the tree canopy requirements, how it could be met. 00:03:23
So everything. 00:03:28
Drains towards the marsh. 00:03:30
So drainage should not be any issue once we get the construction plans. 00:03:33
On this one. 00:03:38
OK, OK, great. 00:03:41
And Jamie, I'll turn things over to you for the cities. 00:03:44
Presentation Great Thank you, Commissioners and members of the public. 00:03:47
Watching and here in person. 00:03:53
Before you this evening is. 00:03:56
Sorry, I got a lot of papers here. 00:04:00
Simple rezoning application of tax parcel ID 135037-E. 00:04:05
Mr. Gregory this Brown requests a rezoning of that tax parcel from C2 to R5. 00:04:11
So what we're seeing now and what Mr. Macdill just spoke through. 00:04:18
The parcel that you're seeing highlighted here, the upland area, is shaded. 00:04:22
In red. 00:04:28
Um, and. 00:04:29
The marsh or what we call kind of conservation area is shaded in green, all part of the same parcel. This is our new ALDI, just to 00:04:33
help everybody get situated. 00:04:38
Mr. Macdill also referenced a little bit of a. 00:04:44
Potentially A partnership between two property owners. 00:04:47
Mr. Sawyer, who is in the audience with us. 00:04:51
You'll remember brought forward a rezoning application of this parcel just to the east. 00:04:53
That parcel fronts both along Charles St. 00:05:00
And kind of is where the Linda St. right of way terminates. 00:05:04
So in part of. 00:05:10
Staff's review of the project. 00:05:11
Of this rezoning application. 00:05:13
Just want to be clear, this is a rezoning. 00:05:16
The applicant has provided us with. 00:05:19
What I'm referring to here. 00:05:22
As a a site plan, just showing potentially how they may lay things out. 00:05:25
The material is very close to a conceptual plaque. 00:05:32
But with our new subdivision ordinance. 00:05:37
This will have to come back before you. 00:05:40
As a conceptual plat application and you'll see a little bit more detail and we'll discuss. 00:05:43
You know, open space, amenities, buffers, all that types of stuff, but for now you're looking at the rezoning and this. 00:05:48
Site Plan gives you a good indication for the extension. 00:05:56
Of Linda St. and how that would then enter the uplands. 00:06:01
And would be navigated to allow for. 00:06:05
The Townhomes, which is the main dwelling of the R5 townhome dwelling district. 00:06:08
OK. 00:06:15
Reviewed this application. 00:06:19
And we recommend approval. 00:06:21
Part of the set of conditions. 00:06:24
Is that all future development will adhere to the R5 standards? 00:06:28
And that this again is a rezoning application. 00:06:33
Which will come back before you as a conceptual plan if you choose to approve it. 00:06:36
Because it is indeed a major subdivision, this would be, I think, upwards of 19. 00:06:41
Individualized persons, I believe. 00:06:47
If I recall right. 00:06:51
All that area that it abuts to is all residential already, is that correct? Correct. Yeah, we can have a look at. 00:06:53
At the zoning there, yeah, so. 00:07:00
All of the area that you're seeing in yellow, so these surroundings. 00:07:04
Didn't we just? 00:07:10
Approved from across net and R5 Mr. Sawyers property, yeah. 00:07:12
Right next to it, right next across the street. 00:07:19
All right. Are there any other questions from Commission members before we open this up for public comment? 00:07:25
All right, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and open a public comment on this item. So if you care to give public comment on 00:07:35
this item, if you would come forward, give your name and address and then anything you'd like to add to the record on this item. 00:07:42
All right. I'm not seeing any movement, so I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment period on this. 00:07:51
Any further discussion amongst? 00:07:59
Commission members, do we, are we ready for a motion on this item? 00:08:02
All right, well, I might make a comment here just and I'm I'm not sure that. 00:08:07
I have any real opposition, it seems like an awkward. 00:08:12
Location for a higher density residential. 00:08:16
Development. 00:08:19
Being right behind the. 00:08:20
Commercial zoning, that's now the Aldi's out there. I mean, it would be a logical extension from. 00:08:22
That site if it had common ownership. 00:08:27
But being. 00:08:30
I guess. 00:08:32
At least two streets off of. 00:08:34
Spur 40. 00:08:36
It just without any other higher density residential around except. 00:08:37
For the. 00:08:42
Site across the street that he just referenced. It seems awkward. 00:08:42
It just it just seems like there'd be a better location for a high density residential. 00:08:50
Site then. 00:08:55
Behind the shopping center. 00:08:57
Just an opinion. 00:09:00
And I think we talked with the. 00:09:05
Mr. Sawyer's proposal on this. 00:09:07
About. 00:09:10
Access umm. 00:09:11
On the pathway. 00:09:13
So I mean there, there may be some. 00:09:14
Plus. 00:09:17
For. 00:09:18
Walkable access to. 00:09:20
The amenities that. 00:09:22
Are in that Plaza. 00:09:24
If I remember correctly when we did it. 00:09:27
Approve the previous one. 00:09:29
Isn't fairly heavily. 00:09:31
Wooded between. 00:09:32
Now it's all these. 00:09:35
And where this would be? 00:09:36
At the point where you can't. 00:09:39
Can you even see the back of the ALDI location? 00:09:41
I remember sitting in a car and I don't think you can. 00:09:45
But maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong on my memory. 00:09:48
I'm not hearing you. What? Well. 00:09:51
When we approved the one previously that you spoke of? 00:09:55
I think I remember driving back in there. 00:09:59
And when you end up in the end of the street where this would be. 00:10:02
You can't even see all these because the vegetation is so strong. 00:10:06
I don't know if that would be torn down or if it would remain there. 00:10:10
I believe this is further down from where all these, but no, I'm kind of answering what Matt? 00:10:15
This question was I don't, I think it's. 00:10:20
Blacked off from a. 00:10:23
From at least a view standpoint. 00:10:25
By a fairly heavy vegetation. 00:10:29
Now whether that would stand or not, I don't know if that's. 00:10:31
The plan is to tear it down. 00:10:34
I don't know why you'd want to, because then you'd be looking at the back of a shopping center. 00:10:36
So I think it's it's important to look at the map as shown now can show you some of the existing conditions on the site. I don't 00:10:41
know why that pops up right there, but. 00:10:46
Here's where the parcel, the subject parcel. 00:10:52
Abuts the other commercial parcels and so I do think that. 00:10:55
When we see the conceptual plat. 00:11:00
We do have buffer requirements. 00:11:02
And so there's there's an indication. 00:11:05
In this site plan of potential buffering between. 00:11:09
The existing commercial development and the proposed. 00:11:15
Housing. 00:11:19
And that is something that you would see if this were to move forward. 00:11:20
But just as you see now. 00:11:24
There's really not. You can, you can kind of see right through there. That's why I couldn't determine where I was, where I was 00:11:27
previously, yeah. 00:11:31
You were over here, although as as it is now commercial. 00:11:36
It has very low visibility to Hwy. 40. It's sort of stuck way in the back there and wouldn't be a prime commercial site because 00:11:41
you wouldn't see what was there easily. 00:11:47
On Hwy. On Hwy. 40. 00:11:53
Coming east. 00:11:57
You would notice it. 00:12:00
Before we started on the curve. 00:12:02
Crossing the Creek. 00:12:04
So while you're saying the viewshed traveling this way, you would. 00:12:08
Well, the trees would obviously have to be removed to develop the site. You should have both. 00:12:14
Yeah, talking about that. 00:12:19
RJ Dark side of a red clay site. 00:12:22
That's part of it. 00:12:26
Or male with is marsh. 00:12:27
Trees and male I was over in. 00:12:31
What's the move the arrow just a little bit toward Aldi's? 00:12:36
Yeah, not not that far. 00:12:40
The first square there. 00:12:43
The first square there. 00:12:45
This one here no come back. This one here, come down right there building. 00:12:47
Is that the fitness center? I believe so, yeah. This is the tobacco palace or something. 00:12:55
So easy access to exercise and cigarettes. 00:13:03
Yeah, perfect. 00:13:06
I mean as we, as we did negotiate with Mr. Sawyer, I mean I think a footpath but also a buffer sort of area and landscape that 00:13:08
would provide. 00:13:13
Both noise attenuation, privacy, security, beautification. 00:13:17
But also access I think could be. 00:13:22
But he's still got to come back for what? A concessional plan? 00:13:25
All right, move to approve based on the. 00:13:30
Presentation made and the suggestions from. 00:13:33
OK. You folks, do we have a second for that? 00:13:38
What would you want to repeat that? 00:13:42
Move to approve. 00:13:45
Based on. 00:13:47
The government from staff, correct? 00:13:49
All those in favor, aye. 00:13:53
All right, now we have. 00:13:56
Five additional. 00:14:01
Items that are all related. 00:14:03
So we will be taking as the Planning Commission because we have. 00:14:06
Five different items that need to have action. 00:14:10
Will be separately taking action, but I think we can discuss these as one. 00:14:13
Project and then at the conclusion of that so. 00:14:19
What's proposed is for rezoning. 00:14:23
Actions and then one conceptual plan on that. 00:14:26
Do we have a representative from the project if you want to? 00:14:31
Come forward, I believe you have a presentation you want to share. 00:14:34
And if you'll give your name and address? Yes, thank you. Jeff White, 226 Woodsong Lane in Saint Augustine. 00:14:39
I am a representative from Ryan Holmes. 00:14:47
And. 00:14:50
Thank you. That's. 00:15:03
A little less invasive than my dentist. That's not as good. 00:15:05
Is that better? 00:15:11
That OK, That's a little bit OK. Thank you. 00:15:12
I'm hearing impaired. I'll let you know. Thank you. 00:15:15
I am here as a representative of Ryan Holmes. 00:15:19
Which is our marketing name for NVR Incorporated. 00:15:23
We are a national home builder and we're very interested and we love your city. 00:15:27
We are here today to talk about Oscar Oaks is what we are calling this property. It's four separate parcels. 00:15:35
Totaling 162. 00:15:42
And a half acres. 00:15:45
The subject property is located on the east side of Saint Mary's Rd. north of Hwy. 40. 00:15:48
We are asking for rezoning of each of the four parcels. 00:15:53
In order to construct a community consisting of 179. 00:15:57
50 foot lots. 00:16:01
And 100 and 4632 foot. 00:16:03
Lots that will contain duplexes. 00:16:06
The community will include amenities. 00:16:09
Like a pool, clubhouse and a playground. 00:16:12
It will also include interconnectivity. 00:16:16
With golf cart, biking and walking paths. 00:16:19
And we have tried to design this to minimize wetland impact and preserve as much. 00:16:22
Wooded area as possible. 00:16:27
A little history about our company. 1 next one, Jamie. 00:16:30
We were started in 1948. 00:16:37
We operate in 15 states. We are. 00:16:39
Currently the 4th largest home builder. 00:16:44
In the country. 00:16:46
And. 00:16:48
We I only say that is that we have a reputation uphold. 00:16:49
And we are not interested. 00:16:55
A fly by night operation. We want to do business with the City of Saint Mary's. 00:16:58
And have a relationship going forward. 00:17:03
And have a community that. 00:17:06
Not only us, but the city can be proud of. 00:17:08
Next please. 00:17:11
Going out even through 2008, through the Great Depression, we were one of the few home builders who. 00:17:13
State not just stayed afloat, but was profitable. 00:17:20
And we grew in market share and and I think that was a testament to our. 00:17:23
Product and our discipline and what we try to bring to the table to bring a good quality product to everybody. 00:17:28
Next please. 00:17:35
Here is our current site plan that we are showing what we'd like to build. 00:17:37
The white areas are the homes. 00:17:43
The dark green areas are wooded areas. 00:17:45
We've also considered in there showing our ponds. 00:17:50
For proper retention. 00:17:53
And the light green areas is where we could potentially have open. 00:17:55
Recreation or park space? 00:18:00
But we would need further approvals. 00:18:03
For wetland impacts and things from FEMA, so we don't know for sure, but it is. It is, but could potentially be done. Either way, 00:18:05
there will not be a home built on those areas. 00:18:10
Access would be off the Mickel road right away. Alignment. 00:18:14
We would not. 00:18:18
Affect any of the existing drainage easements. 00:18:20
And but we would also need to know that we would need not just FEMA approval, but also G dot approval. 00:18:23
For our access, but this is conceptually what we would be looking at. 00:18:30
Next, to give you an idea, this next one, this is one of our existing communities and this would be. 00:18:34
Fairly similar to kind of what we. 00:18:40
What our philosophy is. 00:18:42
We do have. 00:18:44
And this one is a local. It's a. 00:18:46
Jacksonville Project. As you can see, we tried to do our best to preserve as much wooded area, even between the ponds. 00:18:49
Preserve the wooded areas as much as possible. We know that brings a lot to the community. 00:18:56
And quite frankly, it helps us in in selling the homes, which is what our goal is here so. 00:19:02
I think we have kind of the same alignment in goals and what we want to try and do. 00:19:08
The next slide. 00:19:13
Shows what we would perceive to be the right of way within the community, within the neighborhood. 00:19:15
To help give us, you know, the interconnectivity. 00:19:21
We would provide a bike or golf cart path. 00:19:25
Separate from a pedestrian walkway, there would also be St. landscaping. 00:19:29
That we will have in there so we. 00:19:34
Think it will help provide that interconnectivity but also beautify the whole area. 00:19:38
Next slide will show. 00:19:45
Kind of our inner what each individual lot would look like and this is a typical. 00:19:47
Landscape plan that we have. 00:19:53
We want to make sure that we have landscaping around the foundation. 00:19:55
Shade Trees. St. Trees. 00:20:01
And all this will be done as part of a professionally managed homeowners association, because we want to make sure that. 00:20:04
This community keeps up the standards and looks. 00:20:11
The way it did when it opened. 00:20:16
In perpetuity, long after we're gone. 00:20:18
So it'll be professionally managed. 00:20:20
The next slide shows. 00:20:23
What we perceive or what we've kind of conceptually done as a landscape, as a monument, would have landscape around it at the 00:20:26
entrance to the community. 00:20:30
Pronouncing that to the for all the residents there. 00:20:35
As far as the amenity goes, the next few slides show just some examples of things we've done in the past. 00:20:40
This we haven't been able to design yet what the amenity would look like. 00:20:47
However, this would be. 00:20:52
What we would be considered to be the minimum? 00:20:55
A pool that would be the appropriate size for the number of residents. 00:20:58
A clubhouse with restrooms. 00:21:02
And they and some shade space. Also there would be a playground which may be adjacent to the pool or it might be in another part 00:21:04
in the community. 00:21:08
But that would be our. 00:21:13
Our minimum you can go to the next one. Jamie shows the same one. 00:21:14
But we would make sure again, it's appropriately sized. 00:21:19
For the size of the community, we don't want to have a pool that's too small for the number of residents. 00:21:22
Next one if you don't mind. 00:21:30
Thank you. 00:21:32
We don't know again if the size will allow, but if possible. 00:21:33
We know As for us as home builders. 00:21:37
The amenities add so much to the community and it's a. 00:21:41
It's a well made investment on our part to do as best as we can, so if it allows we would. 00:21:44
Have things like dog parks. 00:21:51
Pickleball courts. 00:21:53
Maybe a bigger pool you know will have the the furniture and everything appropriate we want to make it. 00:21:55
Attractive to potential home buyers and we feel like that's a good investment for. 00:22:01
For us and it helps. 00:22:05
Again, with the with the community as a whole. 00:22:06
To give you an idea of the homes, these are some of them that we've looked at. 00:22:10
That we would that we build here in the in the region. 00:22:14
Here's some examples of what would be built on the 50 foot lots. They could be one or two-story. They'd be between 3:00 to 5:00 00:22:19
bedrooms. 00:22:23
An average sale price would probably be in the low to mid three hundreds for for these ones. 00:22:27
And then a couple more examples of some other ones. 00:22:34
Same things, maybe some smaller 3 bedroom homes we feel like it applies to. 00:22:37
Families, but also maybe folks who are downsizing. 00:22:42
We'd have a variety of those again on the 50 foot lots. 00:22:46
Our next product. 00:22:51
This would be what we're we're referring to as our duplex villa. 00:22:52
Product. This is something that is brand new that we've just created specifically for this community. 00:22:56
So it is an attached housing. 00:23:03
With us 24 foot eat this is 2 units, each one is 24 feet wide. 00:23:06
That would give you an 8 on a 32 foot wide set back. 00:23:11
That would give you 8 more feet or 16 feet between each building. 00:23:15
So even though these are attached housing, we want people to have that would. 00:23:20
Potentially being a price point for maybe some folks who. 00:23:25
Could be more affordable. 00:23:28
But would also give the feel as you're driving through down the street. 00:23:30
It feels like you're in a single family community where it's not these giant. 00:23:34
Clusters of buildings. 00:23:38
Duplex. 00:23:40
With a space in between to the next duplex and it kind of gives you that same sort of feel of being in a in a single family 00:23:42
detached community, but providing it at a price point that would be. 00:23:47
Affordable for some other folks. 00:23:52
This is the existing zoning we're here to ask today for, for zoning each of the four zonings. 00:23:56
Is well, R5 is the furthest north. 00:24:03
And really what we're asking is for we would love and the others are all zoned commercial. 00:24:06
And really what we're asking is that the R5 just be switched to the southern portion. 00:24:11
And then everything else be downsized down, zoned from commercial to residential to R1. 00:24:18
So, umm. 00:24:24
Net across the board, we're really asking for just to relocate the R5 that's already exists there. 00:24:26
And that it would be and to give us what we would want for. 00:24:33
To get. 00:24:37
The R1 zoning for what is now currently commercial. 00:24:39
The next slide. 00:24:44
Would show we would of how we would do that and be able to accomplish that with our proposed zoning. I know it's kind of hard to 00:24:46
read on there. 00:24:50
But we feel like if you look at some of the adjacent uses to this project, you know you have the sugar mill development. 00:24:55
To the east. 00:25:03
There is and there will be some higher proposed, some proposed higher density projects that are going to the West into the north. 00:25:05
We feel that. 00:25:12
This is a good transition between those and we feel like it would it would fit well in the community. 00:25:13
And would uh, uh. 00:25:20
Be that transition piece and and and fit well for future growth that is planned for in the community as well. 00:25:22
So, umm. 00:25:28
Thank you. Any questions? 00:25:29
I think it might be helpful. 00:25:32
I know, I looked. 00:25:34
As I was looking over this. 00:25:36
I had some. 00:25:37
Question about. 00:25:39
Traffic and the fact that there's one. 00:25:41
Exit and entrance for that and I wondered if you could talk about the process for that. 00:25:44
And I believe in our recommendations. 00:25:49
There's some language about. 00:25:52
Not only a review. 00:25:55
Traffic, but the potential of. 00:25:57
Needing to ask for additional. 00:25:59
Access points, yes, thank you. We, we, we have considered that and we are. 00:26:01
Open to that we have asked for and we will do as part of our engineering. When we get into our construction drawings, we'll have a 00:26:07
traffic engineer who will provide those studies and will help us to understand and and know that. 00:26:13
Where our site plan does show. 00:26:18
If you can Scroll down slightly, Jamie. 00:26:22
There is an emergency access coming out from the South end there that connects. That would be an emergency access we're also 00:26:25
showing. 00:26:29
Yep, there and then at the top there is a second access. 00:26:34
Coming out. 00:26:39
That was, you know, furthest to the north there, however. 00:26:40
We're kind of reluctant on committing to anything because we have we really have to get G dots because of. 00:26:46
Of Saint Mary's Road being under G dots. 00:26:51
Jurisdiction, we're going to need to get their permission and we have not made that application yet. We would like to get our 00:26:54
zoning and site plan approved. 00:26:57
Before we get to that. 00:27:01
Phase, but we are certainly. 00:27:03
There's no bigger complaint about any community than traffic, and there's nothing that will kill our sales faster than traffic, so 00:27:05
we're sensitive to that. 00:27:09
And then the second question I have, and I know I'm holding Jamie up from the city's presentation on this, I, I wouldn't guess 00:27:13
we're going to have questions for you. 00:27:17
About screening. 00:27:21
And buffer zone and so it might be helpful if you talked about that. 00:27:23
Yeah, Yes, we, we have gone through a few iterations of this site plan and with the comments from the city, you know, we've talked 00:27:29
about that with having minimum buffer zones and we feel like we've we've met those requirements. 00:27:34
And it brought that in and and we understand that would be a condition. 00:27:40
Of our final site plan approval and and we feel like we've met those. 00:27:44
So, for instance, I think we have some folks in the room who live on the other side. 00:27:48
Of the railroad tracks. 00:27:54
And it might be helpful for them to understand what's proposed in that area. You bet. Maybe Can I turn some time over? Jonathan 00:27:56
Macdill is our engineer of record with this and he can probably speak to that to maybe a little better if I can. 00:28:02
Jonathan. 00:28:08
Jonathan McGill, 493 Harborview. 00:28:11
Umm, yeah. So if you you kind of, there's kind of. 00:28:13
Broken up into two. 00:28:17
Two sections on the development. 00:28:19
Jeff just kind of went through. There's a residential single family. 00:28:22
Detached and. 00:28:25
And attached. 00:28:27
So on the southern part of the development. 00:28:29
Jim, if you don't mind, can you zoom in? 00:28:32
On kind of the. 00:28:34
Bottom uh. 00:28:35
Up against the railroad. 00:28:36
OK, so right here we have a 30 foot buffer. 00:28:38
Off of the property line. 00:28:41
Plus the railroad. 00:28:43
So there's, it probably doesn't look like much there, but there's a good bit of space that and that that's intended to stay 00:28:45
natural. 00:28:48
So there's a 30 foot buffer there. 00:28:52
That's the Titus it's they're going to get. 00:28:55
The there's the city adopted with the new. 00:28:57
Ordinance. 00:29:01
A 50 foot buffer off a major Rd. 00:29:02
So the. 00:29:04
Part to the northwest. 00:29:06
Is the only location right up there to the top left? 00:29:08
So you see that strip of property between the property line of the back of those lots. 00:29:13
That is 50 foot. 00:29:18
And everything else. 00:29:20
You know, South of that. 00:29:22
Is actually better. 00:29:24
Because of the wetlands and other things we had to work around. 00:29:25
Umm, then if you go from the Minkler right of way north on the railroad track. 00:29:28
There is a G dot easement. 00:29:35
Drainage easement and I believe it's 100 foot. 00:29:37
There's a there's a berm, there's a swell and there's a berm. 00:29:40
Essentially they dug the swell through the dirt up and it created a berm. 00:29:43
We're outside of the existing berm. 00:29:48
So on the northern part from Menkler North. 00:29:51
There's actually going to be. 00:29:55
A natural burn that's there that will probably remain. 00:29:57
But. 00:30:01
It will definitely you know is intended to stay. 00:30:02
Vegetative buffer. 00:30:05
And we'll, we'll definitely be working with. 00:30:07
Staff to ensure that we're meeting all the buffer requirements as we. 00:30:09
Work through the construction plans. 00:30:12
Great. Thank you. 00:30:14
Jamie, I've delayed you. 00:30:17
All right. 00:30:29
Can you hear me? 00:30:30
Mr. King, OK. 00:30:31
So a couple of just to lay it all out for those who might be listening before the Commission this evening, and I think a good way 00:30:33
to look at it. 00:30:38
Is to go to our zoning map. 00:30:43
There we go. 00:30:50
So, as Mr. White and Mr. Macdill discussed. 00:30:52
There are actually 4 parcels in discussion right now and I'm. 00:30:56
Highlighting them now. 00:31:01
So we talked about the interchange that gets onto Hwy. 40 off of Saint Mary's Road. 00:31:03
And as we continue N these are the parcels. 00:31:09
On the eastern side. 00:31:12
So before the Commission this evening are 4 rezonings. 00:31:14
For tax parcel 121021. 00:31:19
The request is from C2 to R1. 00:31:23
For tax parcel 121021B. 00:31:27
The request is from. 00:31:30
C2 to R5. 00:31:32
For text Parcel 121021. 00:31:34
The request is for C2 to R1. 00:31:38
And for tax parcel 134029. 00:31:41
From R5 to R1. 00:31:44
Accompanying this rezoning application. 00:31:47
Is a conceptual plan for a major subdivision. 00:31:50
So this is our first. 00:31:54
Application under our new. 00:31:57
Subdivision Ordinance. 00:31:59
And I want to take the time right now to thank my staff. 00:32:01
And the development community and the Commission and the Council. 00:32:05
For the incredibly hard work that happened to overhaul our subdivision ordinance to get us to the point where. 00:32:09
Staff does believe that what is being proposed. 00:32:17
Within this development. 00:32:21
Sorry if I can get to it. 00:32:23
Is indeed. 00:32:25
We think. 00:32:27
Closer to what the Commission had envisioned. 00:32:28
Within a major subdivision application. 00:32:33
So, you know, just to take a little bit of time here for. 00:32:37
The public one thing that was not. 00:32:41
Discussed, but I do want to take the time to walk through it. 00:32:44
Is the application is applying for our residential density bonus? 00:32:47
So one of the things that we did in our subdivision ordinance when it was rewritten. 00:32:53
Is we made the starting point. 00:32:57
The R1 or single family residential. 00:33:00
Zoning, which has a minimum lot size of 10,000 square feet. 00:33:04
And a lot width of 75 feet. 00:33:09
What we did in the subdivision ordinance is we allowed. 00:33:11
A developer to come in with. 00:33:16
To meet a certain set of criteria, like a a Chinese menu if you will, of things that can be done in order to increase density 00:33:19
beyond. 00:33:25
The sort of what you could get on the lot with 75 foot wide lots at 10,000 square feet. 00:33:30
So, as Mr. White explained. 00:33:36
You're going to see two different lot sizes here the the duplex lot size. 00:33:38
As well as the single family home lot size. 00:33:43
The Commission in your packet, you have sort of a breakdown of the residential density bonus and how the applicant has gotten 00:33:47
there. 00:33:51
And that was a that was a tough process for us to work through because this was our first kind of application. So the engineer of 00:33:57
record laid out what could go on the site with the. 00:34:02
Standard R1 zoning lot sizes. 00:34:08
And then we worked kind of in an iterative way to say, OK. 00:34:11
We've met all of the amenity space, we've met all the open space. Now if we give more open space. 00:34:16
We can get that density multiplier of 0.3. 00:34:23
If we don't mitigate a significant amount of wetlands, we can get an additional density multiplier of 0.3. 00:34:26
So if you're following my guerrilla math a little bit. 00:34:33
As you get that multiplier, the idea is that you are able to, through additional amenities that you're offering the community, 00:34:37
you're able to reduce your lot with and your. 00:34:43
Overall lot size. So that's kind of how this development came to be. 00:34:50
So to take a little bit of time to kind of address. 00:34:54
Some of the key areas. 00:34:58
You know if the Commission should choose to move forward and the approval of this rezoning and conceptual plan. 00:35:01
The rezoning and the conceptual plat will move forward to council. 00:35:09
If that is approved, the applicant will come back with a preliminary plat application. 00:35:13
The preliminary plat will give us. 00:35:20
A little bit more detail on the landscaping, it'll give us more detail on the amenity spaces. 00:35:22
Staff also recommends. 00:35:28
That if we choose to approve a condition of approval. 00:35:30
Would be that before the preliminary plant there is a traffic study? 00:35:34
And in addition to that, there is a letter of intent. 00:35:41
From Georgia, dot. So those are kind of two conditions that we're putting forward. 00:35:44
OK, let's discuss a little bit more sort of the nuts and bolts. 00:35:50
Of the open space. 00:35:55
In the amenity spaces. 00:35:57
So, as Mr. White explained, one of the things that we talked quite a bit about was how you could show some connectivity within the 00:36:03
community. So you saw the kind of key plan. 00:36:09
Of uh. 00:36:16
The right of way. 00:36:17
Which will have an identified. 00:36:19
Bicycle path or golf cart path? 00:36:22
In addition to the vehicle path. So the proposal is for. 00:36:25
A St. width that is about 28 feet. 00:36:30
Typically what's required is 24 feet, so these roads will be a little bit wider. 00:36:34
In addition to that, there will be a sidewalk. 00:36:39
And those paths are proposed. 00:36:42
Sorry, just give it a minute here. 00:36:47
To kind of meander and connect. 00:36:50
Throughout the entire development. 00:36:52
So Mr. White can speak more to these potential paths, but you'll see. 00:36:54
All right. For example here a path that is connecting in and around and going back to the sidewalks. So really giving an 00:37:00
opportunity both. 00:37:05
Road and off road. 00:37:11
As we discussed. 00:37:14
The new subdivision ordinance requires A50 foot set back. 00:37:16
Off of the OR a development buffer off of major roadway like Saint Mary's Road, so. 00:37:20
Essentially from the street. 00:37:27
You won't really be seeing. 00:37:29
The residential development other than the sign. 00:37:31
As was also discussed. 00:37:35
The subdivision ordinance does require. 00:37:37
A minimum of a 25 foot buffer, kind of around the edges of the development. 00:37:39
And. 00:37:46
It can be further detailed. 00:37:48
With the preliminary plat application. 00:37:50
As we're seeing here. 00:37:53
If this is the identified property line, this kind of darker boulder line, there is a 30 foot set back. There's a path that is 00:37:56
here but also. 00:38:01
To the east of the property is the rail railroad. 00:38:06
In that easement as well. 00:38:10
So I think this will be a well buffered site. 00:38:12
Staff has reviewed. We spent an extensive amount of time working on this application and reviewing it with the applicant. 00:38:16
We do recommend approval. 00:38:23
With those conditions that we put forward. 00:38:25
Requiring a traffic study. 00:38:28
Conducted preliminary prior to the preliminary plat application. 00:38:31
Bringing forward a more detailed landscape plan as part of the preliminary plan. 00:38:36
More detail on the potential amenity spaces. 00:38:40
And again, outreach to Georgia dot about those access points. 00:38:43
I have a question are we going to address. 00:38:49
First the rezoning and then are we going to have another discussion on the proposed? 00:38:51
So I think it meant I think the best. 00:38:59
Because I have a lot of questions about the proposed development. 00:39:02
That and I don't I thought it might be better to bring it up later on when we get down to that. What I suggested was that we. 00:39:05
As far as? 00:39:13
Commission and the public on the comment period. 00:39:14
Cover all of it and then we'll take separate action for each one of these. But I mean are we doing all 5 including the we are so 00:39:18
the subdivision application too. So we should bring our questions up now, okay. 00:39:25
And that I think that will also help the public on the public comment end of things. 00:39:32
Kind of understand. 00:39:38
As you're getting your thoughts and ideas together. 00:39:43
I just want to go over again. 00:39:47
Sort of the new subdivision, the open space and recreational area requirements. 00:39:49
So for a site containing residential, single family or townhomes would need to provide 15% of the developable land for open space 00:39:54
that has been done. That's the kind of minimum requirement. 00:40:01
In addition to that. 00:40:08
A residential subdivision greater than 25 units will need to provide 300 square feet of passive and active recreation space per 00:40:10
unit. 00:40:14
That has been provided so the way that the residential density bonus works. 00:40:19
Is that what the applicant has done? 00:40:24
Is they've selected from those density bonus kind of menu items, if you will? 00:40:27
So there are amenities beyond the minimum open and recreational space. 00:40:32
That have been provided up to two times the amount of required open space. 00:40:38
There's a preservation of significant natural features such as. 00:40:43
The non mitigated wetlands This site actually has quite a few wetlands. 00:40:47
And then sort of the proposal for decorative plazas. 00:40:52
And the like throughout the development. 00:40:56
So again. 00:40:58
The applicant is seeking. 00:41:00
Density multiplier of .5. 00:41:02
Beyond the. 00:41:05
The standard R1 zoning. 00:41:08
And they've added two Staffs review. 00:41:10
At least enough additional. 00:41:15
Amenities for a .6. 00:41:17
OK. And I would just add, I mean, I think what we've been working on. 00:41:20
Diligently on this we've had a lot of. 00:41:24
Prior subdivision and particularly. 00:41:27
Planned development that we're pushing for as much density. 00:41:31
As they could get and I think. 00:41:35
The public. 00:41:38
And members of this Commission. 00:41:39
That wasn't really what we wanted to see in the community. 00:41:42
And this site plan that you're seeing looks very different. 00:41:45
Than what the majority of the proposals that have come? 00:41:50
To us in the past. 00:41:54
In recent past and and I think that's because of the work that was. 00:41:56
Done on this. 00:42:00
It's nice to see the first example. 00:42:02
I know it feels good, right? 00:42:05
That's a lot of work. 00:42:07
Jamie, can you remind me? 00:42:09
I know. 00:42:11
We had a lot of back and forth in the past and I don't know what the final, I don't recall what the final language is. 00:42:12
With this question about we have setbacks. 00:42:19
As buffer zones, but they're. 00:42:23
Part of our question had often been. 00:42:25
You know, is that an area that's just been cleared, it's simply a set back or do we have? 00:42:28
Visual buffer and I'm hearing in the presentation that we have areas that are left natural, so you wouldn't lose that. 00:42:33
Undergrowth, which is the visual on that and I think we have language about. 00:42:42
Either natural vegetative buffer or fencing on that. Yeah. So we offered that was the buffering. 00:42:46
Was one of the elements of our subdivision ordinance rewrite that was met with. 00:42:55
Some raised eyebrows from the development community. So we did and do offer more flexibility. So the starting point is kind of 25 00:43:02
foot undisturbed vegetated buffer. But we we do see some very nice interventions such as. 00:43:10
Vegetated burns with privacy fences, you know, and I think what would be a good suggestion from the Commission if you should. 00:43:19
Be interested in proceeding. 00:43:29
Is really a more detail. 00:43:30
And perhaps a transect or sort of a view. 00:43:33
Of what? Similar to what was done here for the roadway of what would be proposed and the width. 00:43:38
Of those. 00:43:46
Proposed buffers. 00:43:47
Some questions I did have about. 00:43:49
You know, bringing electricity to the site. 00:43:53
Have you guys looked at that? 00:43:57
We. 00:44:02
Has the electric is obviously runs down Saint Mary's Road, but we would have it within the community would all be underground. So 00:44:05
everything we would do you know through you can show in the on the right of way cross section there is a utility corridor. 00:44:11
That would be where that would come and then stub out to each individual lot, but it would be underground. No power poles with it. 00:44:18
Other than. 00:44:23
The required streetlights, great. So one of the things that we're struggling with right now on the Exit 1 development. 00:44:24
Is the extension of the of the power and you know, we're we're artfully trying to negotiate with Georgia Power, not a full 00:44:31
clearing of the tree line on Saint Mary's Road, so. 00:44:36
I think. 00:44:42
The the view of this development from Saint Mary's Road will be one that is vegetated tree line. It'll be yeah, yeah, that would 00:44:43
be our goal. 00:44:47
Yeah. 00:44:51
Also, one thing that was mentioned just for the Commission. 00:44:53
Talk through a little bit, and I don't know if we explicitly said this, but I think this is. 00:44:57
Of interest to. 00:45:02
The residential community that is to the east. 00:45:04
Of the proposed development. 00:45:08
This area that you're seeing here, which kind of lacks color. 00:45:10
That's how in our zoning map, we identify an established right of way. 00:45:16
So that was, at one point in time, meant to be an extension of Mickler. 00:45:21
To Saint Mary's Road. 00:45:28
Staff has discussed this quite a bit internally and also with the applicant. 00:45:30
With the existence of that. 00:45:36
Railroad and the challenges of getting a railroad crossing. 00:45:39
The wetlands that exist within that right of way. 00:45:44
It has been sort of. 00:45:47
It has been. 00:45:50
Dropped. 00:45:51
As a potential extension. 00:45:52
Of McClure. 00:45:55
So the access points as proposed. 00:45:56
By sorry, my apologies, I keep flicking through all of these. 00:45:59
Nope, gonna get it right. 00:46:04
Here there is. 00:46:06
So the you know the entry point that is being proposed right now. 00:46:08
Is that that main entry off of Mickler and you can see the? 00:46:13
Right of way or off of Saint Mary's Road. Apologies. 00:46:17
And you can see the right of way here that is essentially being undisturbed. 00:46:20
And we did that intentionally to minimize the wetlands impacts. 00:46:24
One other thing I do want to point out which was alluded to. 00:46:30
As some of you may recall. 00:46:36
This area. 00:46:39
Which is. 00:46:41
On the other side of Saint Mary's Road. 00:46:42
Is part of a planned development district known as Sweetgrass. 00:46:45
It's been kind of floating around for a while, but the landholder is still interested in proceeding. 00:46:51
They will have an entrance off of Saint Mary's Road. 00:46:59
That cuts north. 00:47:02
Kind of close to this Forestry Rd. here. 00:47:05
This area is proposed for condominiums that has been approved and has gone through. 00:47:08
This area here is mixed-use development. 00:47:15
So you'll have office, retail, commercial. 00:47:19
And we're. 00:47:23
We're speaking with the. 00:47:24
Developers right now. 00:47:27
The interior roadway, there'll be sort of an A parallel interior roadway here. 00:47:30
Which will have a multimodal path be golf carnival. 00:47:36
Highly landscaped and the approach here is to try to create some. 00:47:40
Community scale commercial that this community. 00:47:47
Could walk or golf cartoon. 00:47:50
So I don't envision. 00:47:52
A connection over Saint Mary's Road before these, between these two developments, you know. 00:47:55
That's something that we're working on. 00:48:01
On the other side of Saint Mary's Road, with intersection cuts and connections and traffic lights. 00:48:03
I don't see that here. I see this will be. 00:48:08
One if not 2 entrances and no real. 00:48:10
Connectivity to the other side. 00:48:15
You know, unless you got in your car and got on the road and. 00:48:19
Turned in, but there will be sort of a higher density development in that part of. 00:48:21
The undeveloped region there. 00:48:28
And lastly, what I'll say is that the a portion of. 00:48:30
The parcels under discussion are located in Tax Allocation district #3. 00:48:35
So some of the future. 00:48:41
Whether they be. 00:48:43
Multimodal path improvements or. 00:48:46
Public right of way improvements. Something like that could be. 00:48:49
Pursued through our tax allocation district. 00:48:54
Application process. 00:48:58
Thank you. 00:49:02
Elaine, if you yes, I guess the area. 00:49:03
That I have the most questions about is the one that is the R1 with the. 00:49:07
Largest number of homes in a. 00:49:13
When I look at it, it looks like you're going to have an awful lot of traffic going. 00:49:17
Out of that area, in front of a handful of houses, out to get to the exit. 00:49:23
And it just seems like it's. 00:49:29
Going to be a lot of traffic in that right in that section. I know you're going to be doing traffic studies and. 00:49:33
You're hoping to get other. 00:49:38
Yes, absence, but you're inside their community. 00:49:40
You're speaking, I'm inside the community. I think you're referring to this, this area here. 00:49:43
Passing in front of a few select houses there. Yes, yes, those are all. Those are all duplexes too, are they not? No, those will 00:49:48
still be the single family. 00:49:52
So yes, there you know, unfortunately that's going to be regardless there's. 00:49:57
There's going to be some pinch points somewhere along the line. We do our best to try and minimize that. We are kind of. 00:50:03
It's a balance we're trying to achieve the best balance of. 00:50:10
How much you know Woodlands do we take out? Do we put in more streets? How much wetlands do we remove? 00:50:14
We know that those are going to be. 00:50:21
The more difficult houses to sell, to be honest and but yeah, it's a balance we. 00:50:24
Try to minimize that as best we can. And then I was also concerned because of the density of the area. 00:50:30
How big are the driveways? How many cars can park on? 00:50:40
Their personal lot, yeah. So they would be a 16 foot wide driveway. It would match this two car garage. 00:50:44
So you would be able to park at least two vehicles. 00:50:52
In the garage and two and two parking spaces. Surface parking in the driveway. 00:50:55
Because that was the other question, is company parking? 00:51:00
Those streets, I know you're just trying to make them a little wider, but I mean, if. 00:51:06
Folks parked all in the street. 00:51:10
And emergency vehicles had to get in. It could be a bit of a problem and we. 00:51:12
And we would go back and need to adjust that, but that may be part of our. 00:51:18
HOA covenants and restrictions is that we would not have any on street parking. 00:51:23
But then if you didn't have any on street, where would they put? Where would the company? 00:51:28
Park that. You would have 4 parking spaces per unit. There would also be. 00:51:33
There is also additional and some of the amenity spaces there, there's parking there. 00:51:37
We know it. 00:51:43
We feel that it meets the requirement, I mean. 00:51:44
Could we stop people from throwing a big birthday bash and having a bunch of cars down the street? You know, I don't know, but we 00:51:47
would have that restrictions in place to try to minimize that. At least no parking on only one side of the street or something on 00:51:52
that or? 00:51:57
Yeah, you're right. The other concern I think you've answered, but I'm assuming there'll be a lot of families with children here. 00:52:02
And the school is like right over there on the other side of the. 00:52:09
Railroad tracks. 00:52:13
And they're probably too close to get busing. 00:52:15
Yeah, so I'm worried about these little ******* trying to squeeze through whatever you put up to get to that school because 00:52:19
walking all the way around. 00:52:25
Is a long way, yeah. 00:52:31
That would be. That's a bit of a concern for me too. Understood. Yeah, I think that's fair. We'd be happy to discuss that and come 00:52:32
to the resolution with the tell kids. They're gonna try and find a way. Yeah. 00:52:39
A resolution with the with the school district, we can, we can work through that maybe if they look at it. 00:52:45
Instead of a straight line if there is. 00:52:50
But yeah, with the railroad there and we talked about that with some of the restrictions. 00:52:53
The difficulty of any type of railroad crossing. 00:52:57
Is just hard to come by these days so. 00:53:01
But we would be open to talking about that with the school district. Those were my primary concern. Thank you. Thank you. 00:53:04
What's your? What is the? 00:53:11
Percentage. 00:53:12
Of duplex versus single family, Oh gosh, I'm looking at, let's see, it's less than half would be the duplexes of the 325, it's 00:53:14
179. 00:53:20
Of the detached and 146 of the attached. So it's pretty much. 00:53:26
Kind of 5050. It's a little little, yeah, there's. 00:53:31
Slightly more of the detached homes on the bigger lots. 00:53:35
One of my big concerns. 00:53:38
I live right around the corner there. 00:53:40
At Aspe Cove. 00:53:44
We've had quite a few people killed. 00:53:45
Trying to get out of Osprey Cove on the Saint Mary's Road. 00:53:47
The bulk of the people coming out of this, they're going to be turning left. 00:53:50
Because if you turn right and go to Colerain. 00:53:54
Turn left. You can go to Saint Mary's or you can go to 95 right. 00:53:56
You need another entrance on the. 00:54:01
Saint Mary's for this many people. Yes, that. 00:54:03
And I couldn't approve. 00:54:06
Can't even consider approving it until you can show you have two entrances. Well, we've got 3 on this site plan we've got right 00:54:09
now. There's you don't have the approval form. 00:54:13
Omega Cubia. 00:54:18
Or do you that's a question that statement. 00:54:20
It's a good possibility he won't get the second entrance. 00:54:23
Off that. 00:54:28
I know for a fact. 00:54:30
The dot turned down 1 developer before. 00:54:31
Try to get a psychiatrist. 00:54:35
Down towards Colerain Rd. 00:54:37
What we would like to see one foot. 00:54:39
DLT and the Navy both have to approve. 00:54:42
A second interest on that room. 00:54:46
Because it is. 00:54:48
A limited access Rd. 00:54:49
And the city's got no say so over it. 00:54:52
Second question, is something you said a little disturbing? 00:54:56
He said these are going to be $300,000 houses. 00:55:01
Yet you're saying they're they're four bedroom? 00:55:04
There they would be. 00:55:08
You didn't mention square footage at all. 00:55:10
They're in the slides there. I can show you some of those. 00:55:12
I don't see this as a. 00:55:17
Have a positive impact. 00:55:19
On the communities that are already there, I see it being a negative. 00:55:21
And the pricing is of course. 00:55:25
We're trying to look two years into the future and so when these houses will actually come to market based on if they were here 00:55:29
today from what our cost and and what. 00:55:34
We feel would be a viable project and would be sell. 00:55:40
Would be able to sell. 00:55:44
Would be and that would be on the smaller end for those 350 or the 300, you know that would be at the. 00:55:46
Three bedroom, 2 bath. 00:55:53
1500 to 1800 square foot your single. 00:55:55
Single level. 00:55:58
And then the other ones you know, that be 2350 square feet, four bedroom, 2 1/2 bath. 00:56:00
What we call our Headley Bay model. 00:56:06
But we would be starting. 00:56:09
In those ranges there in the mid twos and then in the mid threes for the other community that's going in now. 00:56:11
I believe they're staring at six. 00:56:19
Which is 1 heck of a Yeah, I don't I I'm not sure. I mean, I have to interject here. 00:56:23
Not apples to apples there. I think that's not at all. I think, you know, it's a, it would be a, a gated community. 00:56:29
Resort amenities, which will start in the sixes. 00:56:36
But umm. 00:56:39
We do have an existing housing development, Hayden Point, if you'll remember that it's gone through. It's now in its third phase. 00:56:40
Hayden Point, another large home developer, can bring, you know, a. 00:56:49
1600 square foot, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, single family home to market at about 3:15 3/30. 00:56:55
So, and those are. 00:57:02
I mean, if our permit tech was here, she would tell you they they come through and they sell. I'm more concerned about the 00:57:04
entrance. 00:57:07
Under the highway, yeah. And we would have the traffic studies and we've worked with G dot on that to make sure that. 00:57:11
Everything is adequate and maybe. 00:57:17
Whatever if their signalization required or whatever it is that we are asked to do. 00:57:20
By the Department of Transportation is what we plan to meet. 00:57:25
Thank you. 00:57:31
Other questions from. 00:57:32
Members. 00:57:33
Yep. All right. Thank you. We're going to address the sexual plan. I'll address in the. 00:57:35
We're addressing all. 00:57:42
Elements of this will take separate actions for the rezoning versus the versus the conceptual. But for this. 00:57:44
Purpose of the discussion and also the public comment, we're going to look at all both the rezoning and the conceptual. So any 00:57:51
questions you have on either one of those. 00:57:56
Categories want to bring forward. 00:58:01
OK. All right. So with that, we're going to open up our public comment section. 00:58:03
Of this, so if you'd like to give comment on this, if you'll come forward, give your name and address. 00:58:09
Question. 00:58:16
We, I think as part of public comment you can pose what your questions are and we'll try to see if we can. 00:58:19
Answer them. 00:58:26
So do I have anyone for public comment on this item? 00:58:28
You'll come forward. 00:58:32
Dave Schmitz, 112 new hammock. 00:58:37
Circle up and shadow on. 00:58:40
It's on green. 00:58:43
I think you're good, maybe just closer. 00:58:45
Understanding this is early in the conversation. 00:58:48
For what's going on here. 00:58:51
Umm, but. 00:58:54
One of my concerns and looking at what's been presented today. 00:58:57
And I think. 00:59:01
Mr. White. 00:59:03
Addressed it. 00:59:05
Fairly well. 00:59:06
But come on folks. 00:59:09
Every family is going to have at least two cars and if they've got kids, maybe 3 or 4. 00:59:11
Umm. 00:59:17
In the conceptual drawing. 00:59:22
It looked to me like there was room behind the house that maybe you could move the house back a little bit or make the driveway 00:59:25
wider. 00:59:28
But umm. 00:59:32
With no on street parking. 00:59:33
I suspect that parking is going to be an issue. 00:59:36
I would question. 00:59:40
Who, when this is all said and done and and people are moving in, who owns the roads? 00:59:42
Are they going to be part of the subdivision's HOA's responsibility? 00:59:50
As they are like in Ashby Cove. 00:59:56
Or are they gonna be? 00:59:58
A city issue. 01:00:02
Or government issue. 01:00:04
I didn't see. 01:00:08
Anything addressing? 01:00:10
Probably every 3rd house will have a book parked in front of it or next to it. 01:00:13
So. 01:00:17
This early in the conversation, maybe there ought to be some. 01:00:20
Thought given to boat and RV parking. 01:00:23
I didn't see on there. 01:00:31
How wide the driveways were for the duplexes. 01:00:33
But their single car? 01:00:37
So I'm guessing the driveways aren't as wide as a. 01:00:39
Two car driveway. 01:00:42
And does that indicate that each family would then only be able to park one in the garage and one in the driveway? 01:00:44
Again. 01:00:52
If there's a teenager in the house, you're going to have at least three cars. 01:00:53
And I figured this was the time to talk about that stuff, so. 01:00:58
Thank you for your time. 01:01:02
Mr. White, I don't know if you want to respond. 01:01:03
To any of those. 01:01:06
Questions that you've got a quick answer for. 01:01:08
The I can speak to. 01:01:11
It is our standard practice as a company that. 01:01:15
We as part of our HOA guidelines that we will have established. 01:01:18
There will not be any. 01:01:23
RV or boat parking. 01:01:24
Allowed in front of the homes or on the street? If it's something that can be fit in a garage then. 01:01:27
Wonderful. 01:01:32
But otherwise it can't be exposed throughout the street. 01:01:33
The parking requirements. 01:01:37
I would just ask you know that we would just be asked to meet what is required by the code. 01:01:39
As we do that. 01:01:45
Whatever those those calculated number of spaces are. 01:01:46
Will meet that requirement if it means that we need to find some place for some surface parking. 01:01:50
In order to meet that requirement, we will work that in, but at this point we feel like we've we've met what? 01:01:56
Required by code and we will. 01:02:02
Make sure that we always will. 01:02:04
And then ownership on streets, infrastructure, you know, we've talked to. 01:02:06
We're open either way to whatever is obviously what is agreeable to the city, whether it's dedicated to the city. 01:02:12
Through the. 01:02:20
We can do that. 01:02:21
If if you would, if the city would prefer and as we go through the planning process. 01:02:23
For those dedications, if the city has an objection to that. 01:02:28
We would be hoping to do that. It would just mean that it would that would be more the maintenance cost that would passed on to 01:02:32
the homeowners. 01:02:35
OK. 01:02:40
All right. 01:02:42
Ken Jolly 102 Salt grass trace here in Saint Mary's. 01:02:46
Relative to recreational vehicles. 01:02:50
For the most part. 01:02:54
They don't fit in a garage. They're just not going to go in there. 01:02:55
So living in shadow lawn, we have the same problem. 01:02:58
Individuals have attempted then to park on. 01:03:04
The grass which? 01:03:08
Is not permitted. 01:03:09
So that's something to consider is there are going to be people that have RV's, they're going to be folks that have large boats. 01:03:11
That will not fit in the garage. 01:03:18
They're going to have two cars parked in the driveway, maybe more. 01:03:20
Where will that recreational vehicle or larger? 01:03:25
Larger boat go. 01:03:28
The other question. 01:03:30
I don't travel a lot up and down St. Mary's Rd. but. 01:03:32
As I recall when I do. 01:03:36
Isn't there a grassed median? 01:03:39
All the way on that part of Saint Mary's Road. 01:03:42
So if you were to be exiting from this development, need to turn left. 01:03:46
You would have to turn right. 01:03:50
And go to Colerain Road and make a left and then come back. 01:03:52
You could go straight across. 01:03:56
You're straight across the grass median. That's where people die. 01:03:58
Well, that's not permitted. 01:04:02
I think that it's another. 01:04:04
Awful Saint Mary right across the street. 01:04:07
From this one. 01:04:11
And I think. 01:04:13
It is a turn around me. I'm not. I don't remember. I don't recall so. 01:04:14
But that's something to take a look at and. 01:04:21
And then evaluate. Thank you very much. 01:04:24
OK. 01:04:26
I have. And if you'll give your name and address, my name is Andrea Cody. I live at 201 Tory Drive. 01:04:32
And Miss Stein, if you would zoom out, I'll show you exactly where I am. 01:04:39
So I. 01:04:45
Right here. 01:04:48
And we've lived there since 2012. 01:04:53
So we've been there a little while, saw the land change. 01:04:55
Hands a few times after Oscar passed away, but. 01:04:59
I do have a question. So the townhouses, are they going to be for sale or for rent or for? 01:05:02
They will be approved. 01:05:09
Should I speak to the microphone? Yeah. 01:05:11
That's OK. 01:05:14
They will be a fee simple separate lot, meaning they are sold now. There won't be a restriction at least to where if somebody buys 01:05:15
it and they want to rent their house. 01:05:21
But each one will be a four cell unit, OK. 01:05:26
Because I, I heard you mentioned the property management and I thought, well, this is going to be a rental thing or like a 01:05:29
apartment complex or townhouse complex. 01:05:33
And I was confused. 01:05:38
And the other thing I wanted to say, somebody talked about the utilities as far as power. 01:05:39
But also. 01:05:46
Has anybody looked into water? 01:05:47
The utilities for the water because I know we've had some issues. 01:05:49
With the water system. 01:05:54
Near Marilee Clark. I don't know if anybody knew about that recently, but. 01:05:56
We've had some water issues. 01:06:01
With the sewer. 01:06:04
And merely around Marilee Clark and in our issue, we have some flooding issues just because there are behind my house on my lot. 01:06:06
I have protected wetlands that I can't. 01:06:13
Destroy. I can't build on or anything. 01:06:16
And I know we spoke on the lots for proposed rezoning. There's some wetlands there are. I didn't know if they were. 01:06:18
Any protective wetlands or if they were just wetlands that. 01:06:25
Can be mitigated and built on. 01:06:28
And as far as mitigating and built on it. 01:06:31
I was going to have the same comment about the townhouses the the the duplexes. 01:06:35
With the one car garage and I've seen them. 01:06:39
I we lived in Virginia for a while, so I have I'm familiar with Ryan Holmes and some of their buildings. 01:06:43
And the single. 01:06:48
Garage with the townhouse units. They have the the narrow driveway. 01:06:51
If you have two. 01:06:55
Two people like a husband and a wife. 01:06:57
If one parks in the garage and one parks in the driveway. 01:06:59
I mean, there's no, there's no with an 8 foot wide driveway, there's no jockeying around somebody if the person in the garage has 01:07:03
to leave before the person in the driveway and. 01:07:07
And I mean, I've raised two teenagers, so we've had four cars in our driveway at one point in time. 01:07:11
And parking on the road if you're not going to park on the road. 01:07:16
Then you come into. 01:07:21
An issue with. 01:07:23
Just the amount of drivers that. 01:07:24
In the amount of cars. 01:07:26
So maybe if. 01:07:28
If you're going to have the 8 foot wide driveways. 01:07:30
Put some spaces in the community for overflow parking I think. 01:07:34
I've seen this in a couple developments around in this in Camden County. I can't remember where but they have. 01:07:41
Oh, on in Kingsland as you go by. 01:07:48
The golf course there where? 01:07:51
Laurel Island is they have a couple overflow. 01:07:55
Parking lots that are right off color right there that you can see. 01:07:58
And, umm. 01:08:01
I mean, that's an option, but I was, I was more. 01:08:02
Concerned about the utilities, not only the power, but the water. 01:08:05
And infrastructure before we go. 01:08:11
Hog wild and. 01:08:13
And building all this stuff. 01:08:14
And my other question to. 01:08:16
The builder was the 30 foot or 25 foot set back from the railroad tracks. 01:08:19
So the railroad tracks have. 01:08:24
They're raised a bit, and then there's a. 01:08:27
And then it goes into the trees. 01:08:30
Of their. 01:08:32
Of their land, their proposed. 01:08:34
Rebuild. Yeah, so. 01:08:37
Yeah. So is is the 30 foot going to be from the actual track? 01:08:41
To there or is it going to be from where the trees start right now because the trees are set back? 01:08:50
The trees don't start, but probably 20. 01:08:55
Or so feet from the tracks right now. 01:08:58
So I was wondering if. 01:09:01
That 25 foot thing, if they're just going to mow down all the trees and just come right up almost to the rocks and where the 01:09:02
railroad track is. 01:09:06
That was my other question, because the trains do occasionally move on those tracks. They. 01:09:10
Their their deadlines, but they still. 01:09:15
They still park their trains there sometimes they use it as like an overflow. 01:09:18
Type situation. 01:09:23
And I do call the police occasionally for the non-emergency number for children who are climbing all over the rail cars and 01:09:25
things. 01:09:29
And throw rocks at my house but. 01:09:32
Yeah, I don't mind until it gets my yard the rocks. 01:09:35
And I think those are my only questions and comments and concerns. 01:09:40
But thank you for your time. 01:09:45
Mr. White, do you want to? 01:09:47
Particularly, we've got a question about. 01:09:50
How the setback or I don't know if? 01:09:52
Jamie, correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, the 25 foot set back would come from. 01:09:54
The property line. 01:10:00
Not from the railroad track, so if I could show it would be the 25 feet. 01:10:01
From here this way. 01:10:05
So all that additional from the railroad would still remain. 01:10:07
So that would be additional on top of that. 01:10:11
So, and I'm sorry, what? 01:10:13
What other questions? Is there anything else I can answer? 01:10:16
There was a question about protected wetlands and whether there were any plans to. 01:10:19
Mitigate yes. So we have in in our plant. So they are not. 01:10:25
Protected in the sense that they're put in a conservation. 01:10:30
Easement but so they are available we if we chose to. 01:10:34
We could mitigate them, we just choose not to. 01:10:39
We want to leave that as. 01:10:42
Something to beautify the area to keep that. We know that that's what folks are coming here and they want to. 01:10:45
Experience as as part of their community and we want to be able to do that. 01:10:52
With the parking, we know that. 01:10:57
Not everybody wants A1 car garage with a little tiny skinny driveway. 01:11:00
But we feel that there are. 01:11:05
Folks who that there is a market. 01:11:08
For that and we feel like that might be an underserved market here, particularly maybe with the. 01:11:10
With the. 01:11:16
Military, uh. 01:11:17
That would be that there are folks who. 01:11:18
Would love to have it would fit their needs to have that type of garage, that type of driveway and that type of home to live in 01:11:23
and and they will be yes they will be for sale when we talk about. 01:11:29
A property management company that is for the community as a whole to make sure. 01:11:35
The grass is being mowed and the pool is being cleaned and that sort of thing. It's not for each individual lot, it's for the 01:11:39
community, common areas. 01:11:43
And then Jamie, I thought maybe if you want to comment about the process on because we're really only on. 01:11:48
Conceptual plan here about analysis. 01:11:54
On parking standards and also about infrastructure needs, water, sewer. 01:11:57
Yeah. So I think. 01:12:03
I'll address. Yeah, sure, sure. 01:12:06
What we can do is if you should move to approve at the preliminary plat. 01:12:10
Level of review. 01:12:17
A few more of the details will be worked out and I think perhaps there's an opportunity there to look for some additional parking 01:12:19
spaces. 01:12:23
We may also, as staff, explore in the duplex product if there is an opportunity. 01:12:28
To maybe do a little bump out here. 01:12:36
Maybe make a wider driveway potential, I think there's some avenues that staff can take. 01:12:39
With the applicant. 01:12:46
To both review parking requirements and to try to add in a little bit more additional parking at the preliminary plat. 01:12:48
Level umm. 01:12:56
So to address water and sewer. 01:12:56
So right now we're looking at the action of. 01:13:00
Rezoning the land. 01:13:04
Sort of conceptually laying out densities, where homes will be, where roads will be, setbacks, buffers, landscaping. 01:13:06
If that does proceed and move forward, the next step will be a little bit of a tighter drawing lines on paper, showing us where 01:13:15
those lots will be more exact than what you're seeing in this conceptual plat. 01:13:20
Some things may move, some things may change. 01:13:26
I think what I would recommend to the applicant. 01:13:29
Is to sort of show those wetlands, show what is mitigated, show what is not being mitigated. I think that speaks volumes in this. 01:13:32
Development. 01:13:43
And would kind of put that message across a little bit more clearly and is also what is getting you that density bonus. 01:13:44
And then? 01:13:52
If the Commission should choose to proceed beyond the preliminary plat level, then the engineering comes in and takes place and we 01:13:53
start to working internally as a team with our public works department, with our Fire Chief, with our building official, the 01:14:00
planning and zoning team. We're looking at all of the elements to make sure it meets the zoning, the densities, the setbacks, the 01:14:06
roadway design standards. 01:14:13
And then at a certain point. 01:14:20
We'll put this forward to the Environmental Protection Division that will look at the water and sewer capacity, the draw in the 01:14:22
water and make sure that all that capacity is there. 01:14:27
And that will be designed and looked at by engineers and signed off on. So it's not something that. 01:14:32
This body sees, but it's something that's done kind of behind the scenes to ensure. 01:14:37
That the water and sewer infrastructure is put in place. 01:14:43
The city also enacts a series of aid to construction fees. Very few people know this, but each single family home puts forward. 01:14:47
About $14,000 in aid to construction fees and those go towards the maintenance and upkeep of our water and sewer infrastructure. 01:14:56
So you know, with this development comes. 01:15:03
The infrastructure that would be put in place and also a significant amount of dollars that would. 01:15:06
Go to the city for maintaining that infrastructure. 01:15:11
Do we have additional public comment on this item? 01:15:18
And again if you give your name and address. 01:15:22
My name is Jack Rice. I live at 105 Tory Drive. 01:15:26
I'm not here today to speak on opposition of. 01:15:30
Improvements or. 01:15:33
Things being built. 01:15:35
Get a little closer to the mic. 01:15:37
I'm here to speak on. 01:15:39
Strongly encouraging you all to. 01:15:41
Reconsider this single entry entry access point. 01:15:44
Speak up, please, Sir. 01:15:48
Pick up it goes by a school. 01:15:50
An elementary school. 01:15:54
There are dozens of children that walk that road daily. 01:15:56
I would also strongly. 01:16:02
Consider you to. 01:16:04
To look back into. 01:16:07
There's an abundance of wildlife back. 01:16:09
I know that's probably the least of concerns. 01:16:13
But I know for a fact that there are Gopher tortoises back there. 01:16:15
And I know that that's a protected species in the state of Georgia. 01:16:20
With all that being said. 01:16:25
I think that's it. 01:16:27
Far less prepared as anybody else that stood here tonight. 01:16:28
I think that's all I have. 01:16:33
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 01:16:35
Do you want to, Sir? If you weren't prepared, I'd hate to see if you were, because you were great. Thank you. 01:16:39
The uh. 01:16:46
A couple of things. 01:16:48
One is I can speak to the protected species. 01:16:50
We have ordered and are in the process of doing a complete environmental assessment. 01:16:53
Which it also includes, you know. 01:16:58
It gives us a detailed list of what species are on the property, but also what species. 01:17:00
Is this? 01:17:08
Habitat for SO even if they don't see them. 01:17:10
We got to find out if they're there or not because they potentially could be. 01:17:13
So we will do that and also they will look at all. 01:17:17
All vegetation, plants, trees. 01:17:20
We take all that into consideration and what impacts we have. 01:17:23
In order to do this. 01:17:28
Project we also have taken the steps of a archaeological survey we've looked for historical. 01:17:30
Artifacts. 01:17:38
And have gone back and seeing for that and what that would need to do. 01:17:39
In any sort of impact archaeologically for the for the community as well. 01:17:44
So we're trying to look at all these things we don't know just yet. 01:17:48
At this point, we're just conceptual. 01:17:51
We're at the. 01:17:54
We're just trying to find out. 01:17:55
Can we build what we think we want to build here? 01:17:58
We may find stuff later on that make it completely. 01:18:01
You know, just not feasible for us to do that in which case we will pull the plug, but we just want to get to this initial step to 01:18:05
make sure that. 01:18:09
Conceptually, we can build. 01:18:12
The number of houses of the size of lots. 01:18:14
The community that we're envisioning and if conceptually we can do that and move on to the next step. 01:18:17
And we'll verify and check all the boxes before we get everything all done, before we ever put a shovel on the ground. 01:18:23
Thank you. 01:18:31
Do we have other public comment on this item? 01:18:33
OK. 01:18:40
I'm Charlene Reiness. I live next door to Miss Andrea at 203 Torrey. 01:18:41
And something you were saying describing the development, which struck me as crazy. 01:18:46
But the more amenities we include, the more dog pass, one pass, the more permission we get to cram more people into this space. 01:18:52
That's nuts to me. They still driving, going to school. 01:18:58
Using the utilities, I don't see how that makes. 01:19:05
Us a better community, cramming more people into a small place. And I know we're going to build. I know we're growing. 01:19:09
For these duplexes, I'm going to walk out of my front yard and see these duplexes which. 01:19:15
I think we can do better. I think we can do better single family homes. 01:19:21
More green space. That's not enough to my liking. 01:19:25
I mean, we can do better. Let's not cheapen our area. I spent most of my adult life on Saint Simon's. They have ruined it. 01:19:29
Absolutely ruined that neighborhood. There's people on top of people, the traffic, the streets flood. 01:19:36
We don't want to have that here. 01:19:42
And what will this look like in 10 years? You know it's going to be brand new shiny right now. 01:19:44
It's going to get a bunch of renters in there. It's not going to be brand new and shiny forever. The traffic. 01:19:49
I mean, let's just make good choices. Let's make something that we're going to be proud of. 01:19:54
To look back on, you know, in the future. 01:19:59
That's all I have to say. 01:20:02
OK. 01:20:04
I appreciate that. Thank you for your comment, ma'am. 01:20:07
I just wanted to. 01:20:13
Make it known that. 01:20:14
The density bonus we're asking for if we're looking at just number of units per acre. 01:20:16
We, by right, could build more houses than we're asking for right here. The only reason we're asking for a bonus, the bonus is so 01:20:22
that we can narrow those lots. We're not asking for more lots, we're just asking that we can do smaller, which gives us more green 01:20:28
space by having these smaller lots. 01:20:33
So we feel like, uh, uh. 01:20:39
You know what we're asking to do. 01:20:40
Would be beneficial. 01:20:42
We know that. 01:20:44
Things are changing, and that's always. 01:20:46
Difficult and but we feel like. 01:20:48
We build a quality product and we that we can. 01:20:51
We can stand behind and you know, I would invite anybody to take a look at any of our projects that have been done for 10 years. 01:20:55
We've been in business since 1948. 01:20:59
Go look at some of our communities that have been around for 50 years. 01:21:05
And and and see what they look like. So thank you. 01:21:08
Looks like we have another comment if you want to come forward. 01:21:13
I'm Christiane Martin. 01:21:23
I live at 620 Victoria Circle, Saint Mary's, Georgia. 01:21:25
My concern is. 01:21:30
One entrance. 01:21:31
Our elementary school. 01:21:33
The traffic on that road, it's two lanes. It gets crazy. 01:21:35
And we've got little kids walking. I mean taking the back Rd. to it. 01:21:39
All that, I don't think that's been taken into consideration. 01:21:43
And it really needs to be. It's going to be dangerous. 01:21:47
Thank you. 01:21:51
If I could, I've I've heard this public comment now twice, so I want to be very clear of how this property is being accessed. 01:21:53
It is being accessed off of Saint Mary's Road. 01:22:02
The roadway will not. 01:22:05
Continue. 01:22:08
Mickler So I just I just want to be, I just want to be careful there. So this this drawing. 01:22:11
You could perceive that this is going to be. 01:22:17
A roadway here, I'm sorry, I'm pointing. You can't see that. 01:22:21
This is not. This is undeveloped land. 01:22:24
This is just demarcate demarcating. 01:22:28
The city's right of way, the roadway we will the development will enter off of Saint Mary's Road. 01:22:30
There will be no traffic. 01:22:37
Going over and onto Mickler Drive. 01:22:40
Can I clarify what I think she's trying? 01:22:44
Correct me if I'm wrong and if you give your name and that yes ma'am, my name or Sir, sorry, my name is Ashley Rice. I'm at 105 01:22:50
Tory Dr. also. 01:22:53
And I think. 01:22:57
One of my concerns as well as maybe theirs. 01:22:59
The school entrance a as a city. 01:23:02
So now we've got the Esplanade going in at exit 1. 01:23:07
This is potential, I hear you saying. There's another subdivision going across the street. 01:23:11
My kids go to Mary Lee Clark. The school is going. 01:23:16
To explode. 01:23:20
It is already. 01:23:22
Fairly busy school. 01:23:24
And I think. 01:23:25
What they're trying to say is that the school entrance only has one entrance, not. 01:23:27
Not the neighborhood entrance, but. 01:23:32
They're going to go around to Mickler. 01:23:34
And everyone is going to pile in. I don't know if you've been down Mickler at drop off or pickup. 01:23:37
But it is mass chaos. 01:23:42
If you do not get there by two 4245. 01:23:45
You're out on the street for pickup and if we're adding all of these extra homes to it. 01:23:49
How are we going to accommodate? 01:23:55
All of that traffic. 01:23:58
Thank you. 01:24:01
All right, do we have other comment on this item? 01:24:05
All right, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment. 01:24:11
Portion of this. 01:24:15
With that, then, are there do we have further discussion that we need to have? 01:24:18
On this and I think it might be helpful again. 01:24:23
If you, Jamie, kind of remind folks. 01:24:26
Of our process and what we're doing here tonight versus what? 01:24:29
Where the opportunities are. 01:24:35
With additional information that it comes back to. 01:24:37
The Planning Commission? Sure. Yep, happy to do that. 01:24:40
So I also want to take a moment just to, we didn't walk through these materials. I, I know this is a little bit difficult to see 01:24:44
here. I apologize. 01:24:48
Um, in the application there were. 01:24:53
A few conceptual plants that were submitted. 01:24:58
What I am showing you now is the. 01:25:01
There we go. 01:25:06
Is the straight zoning. I'm sorry, I don't know why that keeps going off, but. 01:25:08
What I am trying to convey here is to. 01:25:14
Address the the the crazy comment that I made earlier. I'm trying to address that. 01:25:17
It's not that, it's more and more as Mr. White said. 01:25:23
The straight zoning will allow a certain amount of homes. 01:25:27
As well as the residential density bonus. So I just. 01:25:32
Would encourage the commissioners to look at that overall site plan. 01:25:37
In comparison, there is more density and there is more also. 01:25:42
Open space is a part of that. 01:25:47
The next thing I'll go towards. 01:25:50
Is where we are in this process. 01:25:53
Right now, this evening before you, is the rezoning of the four parcels. 01:25:56
So predominantly shifting what is. 01:26:01
Commercial zoning. 01:26:04
You know, commercial zoning also has. 01:26:07
Very few setbacks has a larger lot coverage allocation, so the intensity of development and going from commercial. 01:26:10
Which is currently zoned to residential is a reduction in that development intensity. 01:26:19
So before you tonight, is there a rezoning of these 4 parcels? 01:26:26
In addition to that, is a conceptual plat. 01:26:30
That conceptual plan, as Mr. White said, is showing you. 01:26:34
The proposed density. The proposed open space, the proposed amenity space, the layout, the roadways. 01:26:39
Not. 01:26:46
Fully engineered by any means, just conceptual. 01:26:47
If you should move to approve this, it will proceed to Council for review and approval. 01:26:51
If that also gets approved, then it will advance. 01:26:58
To the next stage, which is the preliminary plot. 01:27:01
Little bit more engineering, a little bit more layout. 01:27:04
What I would suggest is that we. 01:27:09
You know, take any more questions. 01:27:12
Discuss potential conditions. 01:27:15
If you'd like to take that route. 01:27:18
But I think as part of this. 01:27:21
Looking at the conceptual plan. 01:27:23
You're kind of hearing from the Commission and from the public. 01:27:26
About the concerns about. 01:27:29
Traffic access. 01:27:32
Impact on schools. 01:27:35
Buffer zones on site parking, So those are. 01:27:37
I think kind of a preview. 01:27:41
Of when we get to a preliminary plat. 01:27:43
Of things that as you're moving forward on this process. 01:27:46
That there will be more detail. 01:27:50
And you've already talked about? 01:27:52
Traffic study and you know G dot. 01:27:54
And coordinating with them on what's allowable, what's not allowable and sort of things. So we're kind of stepping. 01:27:58
Through this. 01:28:04
Process so. 01:28:05
Tonight, if we. 01:28:07
Are to approve this. 01:28:09
We are not then saying OK. 01:28:11
Go do this. 01:28:14
We're saying this is our first. 01:28:15
Step forward. 01:28:18
On this process, on this being rezoned to be residential and then sort of the the concept of how this would be developed. 01:28:20
Yes, but I want to be clear that the. 01:28:29
The approach of adding the conceptual plat stage to our subdivision process. 01:28:34
Was so that the Commission and the developer very early on. 01:28:41
In the development could get. 01:28:45
On board about. 01:28:48
Densities, open space, amenities, layouts, roadways, access. So it's kind of a go or no go zone and I think we need to be clear. 01:28:49
About, you know, one of the things that we talked about when we were rewriting the subdivision ordinance. 01:29:01
Was that it is a worst case scenario? 01:29:06
That we come to a final plat. 01:29:09
And we have. 01:29:11
You know, questions, concerns, right? And we've taken that action. 01:29:13
To now insert the conceptual plaque. 01:29:18
As a new sort of phase of development that you get that we all get to review. 01:29:21
Then also including the preliminary plat. 01:29:28
And on the very end, when the final plan comes forward for recording. 01:29:30
That doesn't come to this body anymore, that goes straight to council and for recording so. 01:29:35
We're trying to front load the process in this conceptual phase to get all these. 01:29:41
Kinks out so I think. 01:29:47
Part of the discussion is really to. 01:29:49
For the Commission and the developer to hear. 01:29:51
What will be required in order for you to feel comfortable moving forward at this time? 01:29:55
I did want to note we did have 3 written comments that were submitted those. 01:30:04
Have been uploaded. 01:30:09
So they are part of the record. 01:30:11
For these proceedings and one of which I believe the individual was able to attend this meeting in person and also. 01:30:13
Give comment. 01:30:21
Jamie, do you have maybe it's here and I'm unable to sort it out, but. 01:30:23
Of the five parcels. 01:30:28
Only one of them is zone. 01:30:31
Zoned R5. 01:30:34
The rest of them are all C2 if I'm not. 01:30:35
I believe. 01:30:38
Would that imply that? 01:30:41
4/5 of this is zoned commercial now you got it by acreage or is it? 01:30:43
So it looks like. 01:30:50
Currently I couldn't tell them in the current zoning. 01:30:52
Of the four parcels. 01:30:58
In the current zoning, there is a 51 acre parcel that is zoned R5. 01:30:59
So that is the townhouse dwelling district. 01:31:04
There is a. 01:31:07
16 acre parcel that is zoned commercial. 01:31:09
Highway Commercial. 01:31:13
There is a 34 acre parcel that is zoned Hwy. commercial. 01:31:15
And there is a 56 acre parcel that is owned. The bulk of it is zoned commercial. 01:31:19
All right, so we have the idea. 01:31:30
When that R5 was resolved, R5. 01:31:34
But originally it was. 01:31:42
Not at the. 01:31:44
Not the top of my head. 01:31:45
Yeah, not at the top of my head. 01:31:47
All right, so are there. 01:31:52
Further questions that the Commission wants to talk about. Do we have questions for the city? 01:31:55
Are we ready to look at each one of these request items? 01:32:00
I have. No, I don't think we have to look at each other. I've got some questions. OK, go, go ahead 1. 01:32:06
You're trying to get more density in your. 01:32:12
I don't disagree with that. Right now our one property. 01:32:16
Requires a 10,000 square foot lot. 01:32:21
So by reducing the lot size, you get more density. 01:32:25
I understand that I have no problem with that. 01:32:29
I do have a problem with 50 foot wide. 01:32:31
Very serious problem. 01:32:34
I I can go as low as. 01:32:37
I can agree with Lord of 60 foot wildlife. 01:32:38
I don't like 5 foot setbacks. 01:32:41
I want much set back as I can. 01:32:44
A 20 foot set back on the front. 01:32:46
Is not good. 01:32:49
Because that won't fit a status. 01:32:51
Well, true, true. 01:32:53
Pickup truck with a trailer hitch. 01:32:56
That will fill up a 20 foot set back. 01:32:58
In driveway. 01:33:01
And this is this is so muffled. So that's so many as I'm giving you. 01:33:03
Right up front. 01:33:08
On my opinion. 01:33:10
Now anybody? 01:33:12
I'm ready, OK. 01:33:16
Any other comments? 01:33:20
All right, so we have 4 rezonings that we need to. 01:33:23
Deal with individually. 01:33:29
So we're going to then. 01:33:31
Look at item number 2, which is a rezoning of parcel 121021. 01:33:34
And this is going from a commercial to an R1. 01:33:41
Do we have a motion for this item? 01:33:46
I'll make a motion to approve it. 01:33:51
Right. Do we have a second? 01:33:53
I'll second. 01:33:55
All those in favor, aye. 01:33:56
All right, so that was item 2. Item 3 is again a rezoning. In this case, it's parcel 121. 01:33:59
021B. 01:34:08
And this is. 01:34:10
From a planned development C2. 01:34:11
To an R5. 01:34:15
Any discussion? Are we ready for a motion on this item? 01:34:19
I'll make the motion. 01:34:24
Right. Do we have a second? 01:34:26
All right, all those in favor. 01:34:27
Aye, all right, that motion carries. 01:34:30
Item number 4 again is a rezoning. This is 121021 C and this is going from AC to. 01:34:33
Zoning to an R1 zoning. 01:34:42
Any discussion or do we have a motion on this item? 01:34:45
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:34:48
Right second. Second. 01:34:51
All those in favor, aye aye. 01:34:53
All right, and that leaves us then? 01:34:56
Our last rezoning on this item 5. 01:34:59
This is for parcel 134029 and this is going from an R. 01:35:02
Five to an R1. 01:35:08
Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion. 01:35:11
All right, second, second. All right. All those in favor. Aye, aye. 01:35:14
All right, So those were the rezoning items. And then lastly. 01:35:19
We have a request to approve the conceptual. 01:35:25
That was provided to us for this subdivision, which includes all of the. 01:35:29
Parcels totaling 162. 01:35:36
2 1/2 acres that we just have taken action on rezoning. 01:35:38
The proposal includes up to 325. 01:35:44
Residential lots. 01:35:48
Under the proposed R1 and then we have an R5. 01:35:50
Section of this. 01:35:54
Property, and again, this is an approval of the conceptual plan. 01:35:56
To allow them. 01:36:01
To move forward. 01:36:03
On this. 01:36:05
Do we have a motion on this item? 01:36:07
Move to approve. 01:36:11
All right, a second. 01:36:12
I'll second. 01:36:15
All right. 01:36:17
Can we please review conditions? Conditions of approach? Yep. 01:36:20
Would you like me to take a crack at that? 01:36:28
OK, a couple of things that we discussed. 01:36:33
Let's start with. 01:36:39
A traffic study. 01:36:42
A traffic study will be conducted. 01:36:44
Prior to the submission of the preliminary plat. 01:36:48
And. 01:36:55
Recording into the record. 01:36:56
Speaking to you and and writing. 01:36:59
That's a lot of things to do. 01:37:02
A letter of intent. 01:37:07
From Georgia dot for. 01:37:09
Discussions of a secondary axis. 01:37:13
Moving forward, all of the requirements of the preliminary plan will be put forward. 01:37:33
This entails. 01:37:38
A more detailed landscape plan. 01:37:41
I think it would behoove the applicant to. 01:37:43
Detail the buffer. 01:37:46
Between the sugar mill property and adjacent to. 01:37:48
The railway as well as the buffer along Saint Mary's Road. 01:37:52
Mr. White, you had mentioned the environmental assessment. 01:38:10
As well as the archaeological assessment. 01:38:15
If possible, I think that the results of that. 01:38:18
Could be shared with the Commission. 01:38:21
Staff. 01:38:35
Staff will working with the applicant. 01:38:40
Review the parking requirements. 01:38:43
And try to. 01:38:47
Perhaps find additional parking. 01:38:50
If. 01:38:53
The review should warrant that. 01:38:54
That would be part of your standard process, yes. 01:38:59
Well. 01:39:04
What I can divulge is that the development meets the parking standards. 01:39:07
I think the parking standards are where we have challenges. 01:39:11
So that will be a collaborative. 01:39:14
Discussion if room can be found. 01:39:17
Perhaps through? 01:39:20
Having some influence on the restrictions and covenants, we can discuss that. 01:39:24
The ownership of the roadways there's, I think there's a lot of opportunities there to. 01:39:30
Avoid what some of our. 01:39:36
Current developments are challenged by with. 01:39:38
On street parking. 01:39:41
I talked too much on that one so I kind of forgot what I said, but I'm just going to hungry. 01:39:44
What's the city analysis of thank you parking parking allocation for? 01:39:50
Solutions. 01:39:56
As is stated in the preliminary plat application. 01:40:07
Part of that is that you will. 01:40:11
Provide more detail on your. 01:40:13
Open space, Amenity. Recreation space. 01:40:17
OK. 01:40:20
Last thing that I'll suggest it is. 01:40:31
Mr. King. 01:40:35
Embedded. 01:40:36
The. 01:40:38
Meet with the school board. 01:40:39
About so I'd like to I'd like to go a little bit beyond the scope of this Commission and just let. 01:40:41
Community members know because this is not. 01:40:48
This is something that we hear at all of our schools. 01:40:52
And they're they're in the old subdivision ordinance there was. 01:40:56
As we discussed earlier in the meeting. 01:41:01
There was kind of this idea of a footpath. 01:41:03
Or some sort of walkway or connection for school aged children. 01:41:06
To the school. 01:41:11
We've seen that in the Cannon Forest development. We've seen it in the Davis. 01:41:13
St. Townhomes that we recently put through. 01:41:17
It is up to the school board, which is a county. 01:41:20
School board, right? That's not a municipal, it's county. 01:41:24
So they have their own set of operating practices. 01:41:27
It is up to the school board as to whether or not they want to entertain that connection. 01:41:30
As Mr. White said. 01:41:34
You would be open to us, you know, reaching out and sharing that. 01:41:36
And we're happy to do that and can have that as a. 01:41:40
Condition of approval. 01:41:43
But I do want to say that the school board is currently working with both the city of all cities, Kingsland, Woodbine and Saint 01:41:45
Mary's. 01:41:49
To discuss redistricting. 01:41:54
Of the school zones. 01:41:56
So it is not a given that the children who may be moving into this future development would go to Mary Lee Clark. 01:41:58
So I think if if that is something that. 01:42:06
Community members are very concerned about. 01:42:09
I encourage you to not just engage in our processes, but also in the school board's discussions. 01:42:14
OK. 01:42:24
Jamie, are you including a second entrance into your? 01:42:30
Suggestions. By default I think the traffic study and this letter of intent from Georgia dot for that secondary entrance. 01:42:33
Would yield some next steps there. 01:42:43
Yeah. 01:42:48
All right, so you were. 01:42:50
Did I get him special conditions? Have you completed that? 01:42:53
Oh yeah, I got one more. 01:42:59
I think. 01:43:02
Something that we've talked about. 01:43:04
In the new subdivision ordinance and that Mister King. 01:43:06
Alluded to and I'll bring your attention to this kind of. 01:43:09
Preliminary lot landscaping plan. 01:43:13
I'd also like the applicant to. 01:43:17
Create a bit of a lot key here at the preliminary plat. 01:43:20
Scale to show. 01:43:24
What is the front yard set back? What is the side yard set back? You know what kind of space? 01:43:26
Would be on the on the typical unit. So Mr. King, you'll get. 01:43:31
A better sense for. 01:43:36
The setbacks that come with the 50 foot. 01:43:40
White blood, and I believe that. 01:43:42
Wraps up. 01:43:46
Yes, OK. 01:43:55
So I believe we have a motion. 01:43:57
On the table, but we're seeking a second. 01:44:01
Before we paused to. 01:44:05
Define what the special conditions on that? So can we have a repeat on our? 01:44:08
Motion on this one. OK, I move to approve with staff requirements. 01:44:13
All right, do we have a second? 01:44:19
All right, all those in favor. 01:44:21
Aye, all right. 01:44:24
Thank you very much. 01:44:26
All right. So because we amended the agenda and removed the last two items, that covers the items on tonight's agenda. 01:44:29
Jamie, do we have any other discussion items or? 01:44:41
Things that need to be covered before we adjourn. No, just separate from the Planning Commission this Thursday, the city will be. 01:44:44
Hosting a. 01:44:53
A development progress report at 5:00 PM here in Council Chambers. 01:44:56
Where we'll be discussing the findings of the Midtown RSVP planning process that the. 01:45:01
University of Georgia. 01:45:09
Has completed. 01:45:10
And then at 6:00 PM, there will be a town hall. So feel free to come and. 01:45:11
And. 01:45:16
Communicate with the Council. 01:45:18
And also at the July 21st Council meeting. 01:45:20
I'll be leading a working session on blight. 01:45:25
And future approaches to blight in the city. 01:45:29
And that will be at 5:00 PM. 01:45:33
All right. So with that, do we have a motion to adjourn? 01:45:37
All right, do we have a second? 01:45:42
All those in favor. 01:45:44
Session stands adjourned. 01:45:46
Yeah, yeah. 01:45:55
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Fast, so we will all right now. 00:00:00
Are you guys ready? 00:00:03
OK. 00:00:05
I'm going to call to order the July meeting of the Planning Commission. 00:00:07
Our first item of business is approval of the minutes from our last month's meeting. 00:00:12
Are there edits or additions that need to be made? 00:00:17
No, All right. Do we have a motion on approval? 00:00:23
Move to approve. Do we have a 2nd I'll second? 00:00:27
OK, all those in favour, aye. 00:00:30
All right, minutes have been approved. 00:00:32
Our next item is approval on the agenda and we do have two changes to the agenda. 00:00:35
So this will. 00:00:42
Shorten our evening slightly. 00:00:43
So item number 7 and item number 8. 00:00:46
Have both been withdrawn. 00:00:49
So a little shorter of an agenda. 00:00:52
Any other additions or edits that? 00:00:56
Anyone has for the agenda? 00:00:59
All right. Do we have a motion to approve the amended agenda? 00:01:01
All right, second, second. 00:01:05
All right, all those in favor. 00:01:08
All right, we have no old business. 00:01:10
So I think we can start right in. 00:01:14
New business. 00:01:16
So this is tax parcel. 00:01:18
135O37-E. 00:01:23
And this is a rezoning from C2 to R5. 00:01:25
Do we have a representative for the for the owner of the property? 00:01:29
If you want to come forward, if there's anything you want to add or tell us about. 00:01:33
The project. 00:01:38
If you. Yeah. 00:01:40
And if you will, for all anyone who's giving testimony, if you'll give your name and your address before you start your comments. 00:01:42
Yeah. Hey, good afternoon, Jonathan Mcdill. 00:01:47
493 Harbor View, Woodbine. 00:01:55
It's a little back up a little bit. 00:01:57
Um, I'm representing Greg Disbrow on this project. He's the owner of the property. 00:02:02
And he's looking to. 00:02:06
Rezone the C2 to R5. 00:02:09
And here to answer any questions that you may have. 00:02:12
I don't know if you want to. 00:02:15
If you want me to kind of run through it or if that was OK. 00:02:17
So this is off of proposed. 00:02:21
Extension of Linda St. 00:02:24
That has not happened yet and I think there's some coordination between the two property owners. 00:02:26
Umm, to get that done. So this is. 00:02:31
That is a part of this. 00:02:35
But you can see the property to the West right there. Yep, right behind. 00:02:38
What used to be Church's Chicken? Is it fitness? 00:02:43
LA Fitness or something? 00:02:46
So that property there and then. 00:02:49
I believe we had. 00:02:52
12. 00:02:54
Units. What was it, 16? 00:02:58
We went back and forth a few times. So off the top medical. 00:03:00
1919. 00:03:05
With a common space so. 00:03:07
I believe we've met. 00:03:10
The open space requirements and all that, and I think the R5 gives us the. 00:03:12
Density and without. 00:03:16
Too many concessions. 00:03:18
Try to put a, you know, pretty. 00:03:20
Clear Landscape plan on how we're going to meet the tree canopy requirements, how it could be met. 00:03:23
So everything. 00:03:28
Drains towards the marsh. 00:03:30
So drainage should not be any issue once we get the construction plans. 00:03:33
On this one. 00:03:38
OK, OK, great. 00:03:41
And Jamie, I'll turn things over to you for the cities. 00:03:44
Presentation Great Thank you, Commissioners and members of the public. 00:03:47
Watching and here in person. 00:03:53
Before you this evening is. 00:03:56
Sorry, I got a lot of papers here. 00:04:00
Simple rezoning application of tax parcel ID 135037-E. 00:04:05
Mr. Gregory this Brown requests a rezoning of that tax parcel from C2 to R5. 00:04:11
So what we're seeing now and what Mr. Macdill just spoke through. 00:04:18
The parcel that you're seeing highlighted here, the upland area, is shaded. 00:04:22
In red. 00:04:28
Um, and. 00:04:29
The marsh or what we call kind of conservation area is shaded in green, all part of the same parcel. This is our new ALDI, just to 00:04:33
help everybody get situated. 00:04:38
Mr. Macdill also referenced a little bit of a. 00:04:44
Potentially A partnership between two property owners. 00:04:47
Mr. Sawyer, who is in the audience with us. 00:04:51
You'll remember brought forward a rezoning application of this parcel just to the east. 00:04:53
That parcel fronts both along Charles St. 00:05:00
And kind of is where the Linda St. right of way terminates. 00:05:04
So in part of. 00:05:10
Staff's review of the project. 00:05:11
Of this rezoning application. 00:05:13
Just want to be clear, this is a rezoning. 00:05:16
The applicant has provided us with. 00:05:19
What I'm referring to here. 00:05:22
As a a site plan, just showing potentially how they may lay things out. 00:05:25
The material is very close to a conceptual plaque. 00:05:32
But with our new subdivision ordinance. 00:05:37
This will have to come back before you. 00:05:40
As a conceptual plat application and you'll see a little bit more detail and we'll discuss. 00:05:43
You know, open space, amenities, buffers, all that types of stuff, but for now you're looking at the rezoning and this. 00:05:48
Site Plan gives you a good indication for the extension. 00:05:56
Of Linda St. and how that would then enter the uplands. 00:06:01
And would be navigated to allow for. 00:06:05
The Townhomes, which is the main dwelling of the R5 townhome dwelling district. 00:06:08
OK. 00:06:15
Reviewed this application. 00:06:19
And we recommend approval. 00:06:21
Part of the set of conditions. 00:06:24
Is that all future development will adhere to the R5 standards? 00:06:28
And that this again is a rezoning application. 00:06:33
Which will come back before you as a conceptual plan if you choose to approve it. 00:06:36
Because it is indeed a major subdivision, this would be, I think, upwards of 19. 00:06:41
Individualized persons, I believe. 00:06:47
If I recall right. 00:06:51
All that area that it abuts to is all residential already, is that correct? Correct. Yeah, we can have a look at. 00:06:53
At the zoning there, yeah, so. 00:07:00
All of the area that you're seeing in yellow, so these surroundings. 00:07:04
Didn't we just? 00:07:10
Approved from across net and R5 Mr. Sawyers property, yeah. 00:07:12
Right next to it, right next across the street. 00:07:19
All right. Are there any other questions from Commission members before we open this up for public comment? 00:07:25
All right, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and open a public comment on this item. So if you care to give public comment on 00:07:35
this item, if you would come forward, give your name and address and then anything you'd like to add to the record on this item. 00:07:42
All right. I'm not seeing any movement, so I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment period on this. 00:07:51
Any further discussion amongst? 00:07:59
Commission members, do we, are we ready for a motion on this item? 00:08:02
All right, well, I might make a comment here just and I'm I'm not sure that. 00:08:07
I have any real opposition, it seems like an awkward. 00:08:12
Location for a higher density residential. 00:08:16
Development. 00:08:19
Being right behind the. 00:08:20
Commercial zoning, that's now the Aldi's out there. I mean, it would be a logical extension from. 00:08:22
That site if it had common ownership. 00:08:27
But being. 00:08:30
I guess. 00:08:32
At least two streets off of. 00:08:34
Spur 40. 00:08:36
It just without any other higher density residential around except. 00:08:37
For the. 00:08:42
Site across the street that he just referenced. It seems awkward. 00:08:42
It just it just seems like there'd be a better location for a high density residential. 00:08:50
Site then. 00:08:55
Behind the shopping center. 00:08:57
Just an opinion. 00:09:00
And I think we talked with the. 00:09:05
Mr. Sawyer's proposal on this. 00:09:07
About. 00:09:10
Access umm. 00:09:11
On the pathway. 00:09:13
So I mean there, there may be some. 00:09:14
Plus. 00:09:17
For. 00:09:18
Walkable access to. 00:09:20
The amenities that. 00:09:22
Are in that Plaza. 00:09:24
If I remember correctly when we did it. 00:09:27
Approve the previous one. 00:09:29
Isn't fairly heavily. 00:09:31
Wooded between. 00:09:32
Now it's all these. 00:09:35
And where this would be? 00:09:36
At the point where you can't. 00:09:39
Can you even see the back of the ALDI location? 00:09:41
I remember sitting in a car and I don't think you can. 00:09:45
But maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong on my memory. 00:09:48
I'm not hearing you. What? Well. 00:09:51
When we approved the one previously that you spoke of? 00:09:55
I think I remember driving back in there. 00:09:59
And when you end up in the end of the street where this would be. 00:10:02
You can't even see all these because the vegetation is so strong. 00:10:06
I don't know if that would be torn down or if it would remain there. 00:10:10
I believe this is further down from where all these, but no, I'm kind of answering what Matt? 00:10:15
This question was I don't, I think it's. 00:10:20
Blacked off from a. 00:10:23
From at least a view standpoint. 00:10:25
By a fairly heavy vegetation. 00:10:29
Now whether that would stand or not, I don't know if that's. 00:10:31
The plan is to tear it down. 00:10:34
I don't know why you'd want to, because then you'd be looking at the back of a shopping center. 00:10:36
So I think it's it's important to look at the map as shown now can show you some of the existing conditions on the site. I don't 00:10:41
know why that pops up right there, but. 00:10:46
Here's where the parcel, the subject parcel. 00:10:52
Abuts the other commercial parcels and so I do think that. 00:10:55
When we see the conceptual plat. 00:11:00
We do have buffer requirements. 00:11:02
And so there's there's an indication. 00:11:05
In this site plan of potential buffering between. 00:11:09
The existing commercial development and the proposed. 00:11:15
Housing. 00:11:19
And that is something that you would see if this were to move forward. 00:11:20
But just as you see now. 00:11:24
There's really not. You can, you can kind of see right through there. That's why I couldn't determine where I was, where I was 00:11:27
previously, yeah. 00:11:31
You were over here, although as as it is now commercial. 00:11:36
It has very low visibility to Hwy. 40. It's sort of stuck way in the back there and wouldn't be a prime commercial site because 00:11:41
you wouldn't see what was there easily. 00:11:47
On Hwy. On Hwy. 40. 00:11:53
Coming east. 00:11:57
You would notice it. 00:12:00
Before we started on the curve. 00:12:02
Crossing the Creek. 00:12:04
So while you're saying the viewshed traveling this way, you would. 00:12:08
Well, the trees would obviously have to be removed to develop the site. You should have both. 00:12:14
Yeah, talking about that. 00:12:19
RJ Dark side of a red clay site. 00:12:22
That's part of it. 00:12:26
Or male with is marsh. 00:12:27
Trees and male I was over in. 00:12:31
What's the move the arrow just a little bit toward Aldi's? 00:12:36
Yeah, not not that far. 00:12:40
The first square there. 00:12:43
The first square there. 00:12:45
This one here no come back. This one here, come down right there building. 00:12:47
Is that the fitness center? I believe so, yeah. This is the tobacco palace or something. 00:12:55
So easy access to exercise and cigarettes. 00:13:03
Yeah, perfect. 00:13:06
I mean as we, as we did negotiate with Mr. Sawyer, I mean I think a footpath but also a buffer sort of area and landscape that 00:13:08
would provide. 00:13:13
Both noise attenuation, privacy, security, beautification. 00:13:17
But also access I think could be. 00:13:22
But he's still got to come back for what? A concessional plan? 00:13:25
All right, move to approve based on the. 00:13:30
Presentation made and the suggestions from. 00:13:33
OK. You folks, do we have a second for that? 00:13:38
What would you want to repeat that? 00:13:42
Move to approve. 00:13:45
Based on. 00:13:47
The government from staff, correct? 00:13:49
All those in favor, aye. 00:13:53
All right, now we have. 00:13:56
Five additional. 00:14:01
Items that are all related. 00:14:03
So we will be taking as the Planning Commission because we have. 00:14:06
Five different items that need to have action. 00:14:10
Will be separately taking action, but I think we can discuss these as one. 00:14:13
Project and then at the conclusion of that so. 00:14:19
What's proposed is for rezoning. 00:14:23
Actions and then one conceptual plan on that. 00:14:26
Do we have a representative from the project if you want to? 00:14:31
Come forward, I believe you have a presentation you want to share. 00:14:34
And if you'll give your name and address? Yes, thank you. Jeff White, 226 Woodsong Lane in Saint Augustine. 00:14:39
I am a representative from Ryan Holmes. 00:14:47
And. 00:14:50
Thank you. That's. 00:15:03
A little less invasive than my dentist. That's not as good. 00:15:05
Is that better? 00:15:11
That OK, That's a little bit OK. Thank you. 00:15:12
I'm hearing impaired. I'll let you know. Thank you. 00:15:15
I am here as a representative of Ryan Holmes. 00:15:19
Which is our marketing name for NVR Incorporated. 00:15:23
We are a national home builder and we're very interested and we love your city. 00:15:27
We are here today to talk about Oscar Oaks is what we are calling this property. It's four separate parcels. 00:15:35
Totaling 162. 00:15:42
And a half acres. 00:15:45
The subject property is located on the east side of Saint Mary's Rd. north of Hwy. 40. 00:15:48
We are asking for rezoning of each of the four parcels. 00:15:53
In order to construct a community consisting of 179. 00:15:57
50 foot lots. 00:16:01
And 100 and 4632 foot. 00:16:03
Lots that will contain duplexes. 00:16:06
The community will include amenities. 00:16:09
Like a pool, clubhouse and a playground. 00:16:12
It will also include interconnectivity. 00:16:16
With golf cart, biking and walking paths. 00:16:19
And we have tried to design this to minimize wetland impact and preserve as much. 00:16:22
Wooded area as possible. 00:16:27
A little history about our company. 1 next one, Jamie. 00:16:30
We were started in 1948. 00:16:37
We operate in 15 states. We are. 00:16:39
Currently the 4th largest home builder. 00:16:44
In the country. 00:16:46
And. 00:16:48
We I only say that is that we have a reputation uphold. 00:16:49
And we are not interested. 00:16:55
A fly by night operation. We want to do business with the City of Saint Mary's. 00:16:58
And have a relationship going forward. 00:17:03
And have a community that. 00:17:06
Not only us, but the city can be proud of. 00:17:08
Next please. 00:17:11
Going out even through 2008, through the Great Depression, we were one of the few home builders who. 00:17:13
State not just stayed afloat, but was profitable. 00:17:20
And we grew in market share and and I think that was a testament to our. 00:17:23
Product and our discipline and what we try to bring to the table to bring a good quality product to everybody. 00:17:28
Next please. 00:17:35
Here is our current site plan that we are showing what we'd like to build. 00:17:37
The white areas are the homes. 00:17:43
The dark green areas are wooded areas. 00:17:45
We've also considered in there showing our ponds. 00:17:50
For proper retention. 00:17:53
And the light green areas is where we could potentially have open. 00:17:55
Recreation or park space? 00:18:00
But we would need further approvals. 00:18:03
For wetland impacts and things from FEMA, so we don't know for sure, but it is. It is, but could potentially be done. Either way, 00:18:05
there will not be a home built on those areas. 00:18:10
Access would be off the Mickel road right away. Alignment. 00:18:14
We would not. 00:18:18
Affect any of the existing drainage easements. 00:18:20
And but we would also need to know that we would need not just FEMA approval, but also G dot approval. 00:18:23
For our access, but this is conceptually what we would be looking at. 00:18:30
Next, to give you an idea, this next one, this is one of our existing communities and this would be. 00:18:34
Fairly similar to kind of what we. 00:18:40
What our philosophy is. 00:18:42
We do have. 00:18:44
And this one is a local. It's a. 00:18:46
Jacksonville Project. As you can see, we tried to do our best to preserve as much wooded area, even between the ponds. 00:18:49
Preserve the wooded areas as much as possible. We know that brings a lot to the community. 00:18:56
And quite frankly, it helps us in in selling the homes, which is what our goal is here so. 00:19:02
I think we have kind of the same alignment in goals and what we want to try and do. 00:19:08
The next slide. 00:19:13
Shows what we would perceive to be the right of way within the community, within the neighborhood. 00:19:15
To help give us, you know, the interconnectivity. 00:19:21
We would provide a bike or golf cart path. 00:19:25
Separate from a pedestrian walkway, there would also be St. landscaping. 00:19:29
That we will have in there so we. 00:19:34
Think it will help provide that interconnectivity but also beautify the whole area. 00:19:38
Next slide will show. 00:19:45
Kind of our inner what each individual lot would look like and this is a typical. 00:19:47
Landscape plan that we have. 00:19:53
We want to make sure that we have landscaping around the foundation. 00:19:55
Shade Trees. St. Trees. 00:20:01
And all this will be done as part of a professionally managed homeowners association, because we want to make sure that. 00:20:04
This community keeps up the standards and looks. 00:20:11
The way it did when it opened. 00:20:16
In perpetuity, long after we're gone. 00:20:18
So it'll be professionally managed. 00:20:20
The next slide shows. 00:20:23
What we perceive or what we've kind of conceptually done as a landscape, as a monument, would have landscape around it at the 00:20:26
entrance to the community. 00:20:30
Pronouncing that to the for all the residents there. 00:20:35
As far as the amenity goes, the next few slides show just some examples of things we've done in the past. 00:20:40
This we haven't been able to design yet what the amenity would look like. 00:20:47
However, this would be. 00:20:52
What we would be considered to be the minimum? 00:20:55
A pool that would be the appropriate size for the number of residents. 00:20:58
A clubhouse with restrooms. 00:21:02
And they and some shade space. Also there would be a playground which may be adjacent to the pool or it might be in another part 00:21:04
in the community. 00:21:08
But that would be our. 00:21:13
Our minimum you can go to the next one. Jamie shows the same one. 00:21:14
But we would make sure again, it's appropriately sized. 00:21:19
For the size of the community, we don't want to have a pool that's too small for the number of residents. 00:21:22
Next one if you don't mind. 00:21:30
Thank you. 00:21:32
We don't know again if the size will allow, but if possible. 00:21:33
We know As for us as home builders. 00:21:37
The amenities add so much to the community and it's a. 00:21:41
It's a well made investment on our part to do as best as we can, so if it allows we would. 00:21:44
Have things like dog parks. 00:21:51
Pickleball courts. 00:21:53
Maybe a bigger pool you know will have the the furniture and everything appropriate we want to make it. 00:21:55
Attractive to potential home buyers and we feel like that's a good investment for. 00:22:01
For us and it helps. 00:22:05
Again, with the with the community as a whole. 00:22:06
To give you an idea of the homes, these are some of them that we've looked at. 00:22:10
That we would that we build here in the in the region. 00:22:14
Here's some examples of what would be built on the 50 foot lots. They could be one or two-story. They'd be between 3:00 to 5:00 00:22:19
bedrooms. 00:22:23
An average sale price would probably be in the low to mid three hundreds for for these ones. 00:22:27
And then a couple more examples of some other ones. 00:22:34
Same things, maybe some smaller 3 bedroom homes we feel like it applies to. 00:22:37
Families, but also maybe folks who are downsizing. 00:22:42
We'd have a variety of those again on the 50 foot lots. 00:22:46
Our next product. 00:22:51
This would be what we're we're referring to as our duplex villa. 00:22:52
Product. This is something that is brand new that we've just created specifically for this community. 00:22:56
So it is an attached housing. 00:23:03
With us 24 foot eat this is 2 units, each one is 24 feet wide. 00:23:06
That would give you an 8 on a 32 foot wide set back. 00:23:11
That would give you 8 more feet or 16 feet between each building. 00:23:15
So even though these are attached housing, we want people to have that would. 00:23:20
Potentially being a price point for maybe some folks who. 00:23:25
Could be more affordable. 00:23:28
But would also give the feel as you're driving through down the street. 00:23:30
It feels like you're in a single family community where it's not these giant. 00:23:34
Clusters of buildings. 00:23:38
Duplex. 00:23:40
With a space in between to the next duplex and it kind of gives you that same sort of feel of being in a in a single family 00:23:42
detached community, but providing it at a price point that would be. 00:23:47
Affordable for some other folks. 00:23:52
This is the existing zoning we're here to ask today for, for zoning each of the four zonings. 00:23:56
Is well, R5 is the furthest north. 00:24:03
And really what we're asking is for we would love and the others are all zoned commercial. 00:24:06
And really what we're asking is that the R5 just be switched to the southern portion. 00:24:11
And then everything else be downsized down, zoned from commercial to residential to R1. 00:24:18
So, umm. 00:24:24
Net across the board, we're really asking for just to relocate the R5 that's already exists there. 00:24:26
And that it would be and to give us what we would want for. 00:24:33
To get. 00:24:37
The R1 zoning for what is now currently commercial. 00:24:39
The next slide. 00:24:44
Would show we would of how we would do that and be able to accomplish that with our proposed zoning. I know it's kind of hard to 00:24:46
read on there. 00:24:50
But we feel like if you look at some of the adjacent uses to this project, you know you have the sugar mill development. 00:24:55
To the east. 00:25:03
There is and there will be some higher proposed, some proposed higher density projects that are going to the West into the north. 00:25:05
We feel that. 00:25:12
This is a good transition between those and we feel like it would it would fit well in the community. 00:25:13
And would uh, uh. 00:25:20
Be that transition piece and and and fit well for future growth that is planned for in the community as well. 00:25:22
So, umm. 00:25:28
Thank you. Any questions? 00:25:29
I think it might be helpful. 00:25:32
I know, I looked. 00:25:34
As I was looking over this. 00:25:36
I had some. 00:25:37
Question about. 00:25:39
Traffic and the fact that there's one. 00:25:41
Exit and entrance for that and I wondered if you could talk about the process for that. 00:25:44
And I believe in our recommendations. 00:25:49
There's some language about. 00:25:52
Not only a review. 00:25:55
Traffic, but the potential of. 00:25:57
Needing to ask for additional. 00:25:59
Access points, yes, thank you. We, we, we have considered that and we are. 00:26:01
Open to that we have asked for and we will do as part of our engineering. When we get into our construction drawings, we'll have a 00:26:07
traffic engineer who will provide those studies and will help us to understand and and know that. 00:26:13
Where our site plan does show. 00:26:18
If you can Scroll down slightly, Jamie. 00:26:22
There is an emergency access coming out from the South end there that connects. That would be an emergency access we're also 00:26:25
showing. 00:26:29
Yep, there and then at the top there is a second access. 00:26:34
Coming out. 00:26:39
That was, you know, furthest to the north there, however. 00:26:40
We're kind of reluctant on committing to anything because we have we really have to get G dots because of. 00:26:46
Of Saint Mary's Road being under G dots. 00:26:51
Jurisdiction, we're going to need to get their permission and we have not made that application yet. We would like to get our 00:26:54
zoning and site plan approved. 00:26:57
Before we get to that. 00:27:01
Phase, but we are certainly. 00:27:03
There's no bigger complaint about any community than traffic, and there's nothing that will kill our sales faster than traffic, so 00:27:05
we're sensitive to that. 00:27:09
And then the second question I have, and I know I'm holding Jamie up from the city's presentation on this, I, I wouldn't guess 00:27:13
we're going to have questions for you. 00:27:17
About screening. 00:27:21
And buffer zone and so it might be helpful if you talked about that. 00:27:23
Yeah, Yes, we, we have gone through a few iterations of this site plan and with the comments from the city, you know, we've talked 00:27:29
about that with having minimum buffer zones and we feel like we've we've met those requirements. 00:27:34
And it brought that in and and we understand that would be a condition. 00:27:40
Of our final site plan approval and and we feel like we've met those. 00:27:44
So, for instance, I think we have some folks in the room who live on the other side. 00:27:48
Of the railroad tracks. 00:27:54
And it might be helpful for them to understand what's proposed in that area. You bet. Maybe Can I turn some time over? Jonathan 00:27:56
Macdill is our engineer of record with this and he can probably speak to that to maybe a little better if I can. 00:28:02
Jonathan. 00:28:08
Jonathan McGill, 493 Harborview. 00:28:11
Umm, yeah. So if you you kind of, there's kind of. 00:28:13
Broken up into two. 00:28:17
Two sections on the development. 00:28:19
Jeff just kind of went through. There's a residential single family. 00:28:22
Detached and. 00:28:25
And attached. 00:28:27
So on the southern part of the development. 00:28:29
Jim, if you don't mind, can you zoom in? 00:28:32
On kind of the. 00:28:34
Bottom uh. 00:28:35
Up against the railroad. 00:28:36
OK, so right here we have a 30 foot buffer. 00:28:38
Off of the property line. 00:28:41
Plus the railroad. 00:28:43
So there's, it probably doesn't look like much there, but there's a good bit of space that and that that's intended to stay 00:28:45
natural. 00:28:48
So there's a 30 foot buffer there. 00:28:52
That's the Titus it's they're going to get. 00:28:55
The there's the city adopted with the new. 00:28:57
Ordinance. 00:29:01
A 50 foot buffer off a major Rd. 00:29:02
So the. 00:29:04
Part to the northwest. 00:29:06
Is the only location right up there to the top left? 00:29:08
So you see that strip of property between the property line of the back of those lots. 00:29:13
That is 50 foot. 00:29:18
And everything else. 00:29:20
You know, South of that. 00:29:22
Is actually better. 00:29:24
Because of the wetlands and other things we had to work around. 00:29:25
Umm, then if you go from the Minkler right of way north on the railroad track. 00:29:28
There is a G dot easement. 00:29:35
Drainage easement and I believe it's 100 foot. 00:29:37
There's a there's a berm, there's a swell and there's a berm. 00:29:40
Essentially they dug the swell through the dirt up and it created a berm. 00:29:43
We're outside of the existing berm. 00:29:48
So on the northern part from Menkler North. 00:29:51
There's actually going to be. 00:29:55
A natural burn that's there that will probably remain. 00:29:57
But. 00:30:01
It will definitely you know is intended to stay. 00:30:02
Vegetative buffer. 00:30:05
And we'll, we'll definitely be working with. 00:30:07
Staff to ensure that we're meeting all the buffer requirements as we. 00:30:09
Work through the construction plans. 00:30:12
Great. Thank you. 00:30:14
Jamie, I've delayed you. 00:30:17
All right. 00:30:29
Can you hear me? 00:30:30
Mr. King, OK. 00:30:31
So a couple of just to lay it all out for those who might be listening before the Commission this evening, and I think a good way 00:30:33
to look at it. 00:30:38
Is to go to our zoning map. 00:30:43
There we go. 00:30:50
So, as Mr. White and Mr. Macdill discussed. 00:30:52
There are actually 4 parcels in discussion right now and I'm. 00:30:56
Highlighting them now. 00:31:01
So we talked about the interchange that gets onto Hwy. 40 off of Saint Mary's Road. 00:31:03
And as we continue N these are the parcels. 00:31:09
On the eastern side. 00:31:12
So before the Commission this evening are 4 rezonings. 00:31:14
For tax parcel 121021. 00:31:19
The request is from C2 to R1. 00:31:23
For tax parcel 121021B. 00:31:27
The request is from. 00:31:30
C2 to R5. 00:31:32
For text Parcel 121021. 00:31:34
The request is for C2 to R1. 00:31:38
And for tax parcel 134029. 00:31:41
From R5 to R1. 00:31:44
Accompanying this rezoning application. 00:31:47
Is a conceptual plan for a major subdivision. 00:31:50
So this is our first. 00:31:54
Application under our new. 00:31:57
Subdivision Ordinance. 00:31:59
And I want to take the time right now to thank my staff. 00:32:01
And the development community and the Commission and the Council. 00:32:05
For the incredibly hard work that happened to overhaul our subdivision ordinance to get us to the point where. 00:32:09
Staff does believe that what is being proposed. 00:32:17
Within this development. 00:32:21
Sorry if I can get to it. 00:32:23
Is indeed. 00:32:25
We think. 00:32:27
Closer to what the Commission had envisioned. 00:32:28
Within a major subdivision application. 00:32:33
So, you know, just to take a little bit of time here for. 00:32:37
The public one thing that was not. 00:32:41
Discussed, but I do want to take the time to walk through it. 00:32:44
Is the application is applying for our residential density bonus? 00:32:47
So one of the things that we did in our subdivision ordinance when it was rewritten. 00:32:53
Is we made the starting point. 00:32:57
The R1 or single family residential. 00:33:00
Zoning, which has a minimum lot size of 10,000 square feet. 00:33:04
And a lot width of 75 feet. 00:33:09
What we did in the subdivision ordinance is we allowed. 00:33:11
A developer to come in with. 00:33:16
To meet a certain set of criteria, like a a Chinese menu if you will, of things that can be done in order to increase density 00:33:19
beyond. 00:33:25
The sort of what you could get on the lot with 75 foot wide lots at 10,000 square feet. 00:33:30
So, as Mr. White explained. 00:33:36
You're going to see two different lot sizes here the the duplex lot size. 00:33:38
As well as the single family home lot size. 00:33:43
The Commission in your packet, you have sort of a breakdown of the residential density bonus and how the applicant has gotten 00:33:47
there. 00:33:51
And that was a that was a tough process for us to work through because this was our first kind of application. So the engineer of 00:33:57
record laid out what could go on the site with the. 00:34:02
Standard R1 zoning lot sizes. 00:34:08
And then we worked kind of in an iterative way to say, OK. 00:34:11
We've met all of the amenity space, we've met all the open space. Now if we give more open space. 00:34:16
We can get that density multiplier of 0.3. 00:34:23
If we don't mitigate a significant amount of wetlands, we can get an additional density multiplier of 0.3. 00:34:26
So if you're following my guerrilla math a little bit. 00:34:33
As you get that multiplier, the idea is that you are able to, through additional amenities that you're offering the community, 00:34:37
you're able to reduce your lot with and your. 00:34:43
Overall lot size. So that's kind of how this development came to be. 00:34:50
So to take a little bit of time to kind of address. 00:34:54
Some of the key areas. 00:34:58
You know if the Commission should choose to move forward and the approval of this rezoning and conceptual plan. 00:35:01
The rezoning and the conceptual plat will move forward to council. 00:35:09
If that is approved, the applicant will come back with a preliminary plat application. 00:35:13
The preliminary plat will give us. 00:35:20
A little bit more detail on the landscaping, it'll give us more detail on the amenity spaces. 00:35:22
Staff also recommends. 00:35:28
That if we choose to approve a condition of approval. 00:35:30
Would be that before the preliminary plant there is a traffic study? 00:35:34
And in addition to that, there is a letter of intent. 00:35:41
From Georgia, dot. So those are kind of two conditions that we're putting forward. 00:35:44
OK, let's discuss a little bit more sort of the nuts and bolts. 00:35:50
Of the open space. 00:35:55
In the amenity spaces. 00:35:57
So, as Mr. White explained, one of the things that we talked quite a bit about was how you could show some connectivity within the 00:36:03
community. So you saw the kind of key plan. 00:36:09
Of uh. 00:36:16
The right of way. 00:36:17
Which will have an identified. 00:36:19
Bicycle path or golf cart path? 00:36:22
In addition to the vehicle path. So the proposal is for. 00:36:25
A St. width that is about 28 feet. 00:36:30
Typically what's required is 24 feet, so these roads will be a little bit wider. 00:36:34
In addition to that, there will be a sidewalk. 00:36:39
And those paths are proposed. 00:36:42
Sorry, just give it a minute here. 00:36:47
To kind of meander and connect. 00:36:50
Throughout the entire development. 00:36:52
So Mr. White can speak more to these potential paths, but you'll see. 00:36:54
All right. For example here a path that is connecting in and around and going back to the sidewalks. So really giving an 00:37:00
opportunity both. 00:37:05
Road and off road. 00:37:11
As we discussed. 00:37:14
The new subdivision ordinance requires A50 foot set back. 00:37:16
Off of the OR a development buffer off of major roadway like Saint Mary's Road, so. 00:37:20
Essentially from the street. 00:37:27
You won't really be seeing. 00:37:29
The residential development other than the sign. 00:37:31
As was also discussed. 00:37:35
The subdivision ordinance does require. 00:37:37
A minimum of a 25 foot buffer, kind of around the edges of the development. 00:37:39
And. 00:37:46
It can be further detailed. 00:37:48
With the preliminary plat application. 00:37:50
As we're seeing here. 00:37:53
If this is the identified property line, this kind of darker boulder line, there is a 30 foot set back. There's a path that is 00:37:56
here but also. 00:38:01
To the east of the property is the rail railroad. 00:38:06
In that easement as well. 00:38:10
So I think this will be a well buffered site. 00:38:12
Staff has reviewed. We spent an extensive amount of time working on this application and reviewing it with the applicant. 00:38:16
We do recommend approval. 00:38:23
With those conditions that we put forward. 00:38:25
Requiring a traffic study. 00:38:28
Conducted preliminary prior to the preliminary plat application. 00:38:31
Bringing forward a more detailed landscape plan as part of the preliminary plan. 00:38:36
More detail on the potential amenity spaces. 00:38:40
And again, outreach to Georgia dot about those access points. 00:38:43
I have a question are we going to address. 00:38:49
First the rezoning and then are we going to have another discussion on the proposed? 00:38:51
So I think it meant I think the best. 00:38:59
Because I have a lot of questions about the proposed development. 00:39:02
That and I don't I thought it might be better to bring it up later on when we get down to that. What I suggested was that we. 00:39:05
As far as? 00:39:13
Commission and the public on the comment period. 00:39:14
Cover all of it and then we'll take separate action for each one of these. But I mean are we doing all 5 including the we are so 00:39:18
the subdivision application too. So we should bring our questions up now, okay. 00:39:25
And that I think that will also help the public on the public comment end of things. 00:39:32
Kind of understand. 00:39:38
As you're getting your thoughts and ideas together. 00:39:43
I just want to go over again. 00:39:47
Sort of the new subdivision, the open space and recreational area requirements. 00:39:49
So for a site containing residential, single family or townhomes would need to provide 15% of the developable land for open space 00:39:54
that has been done. That's the kind of minimum requirement. 00:40:01
In addition to that. 00:40:08
A residential subdivision greater than 25 units will need to provide 300 square feet of passive and active recreation space per 00:40:10
unit. 00:40:14
That has been provided so the way that the residential density bonus works. 00:40:19
Is that what the applicant has done? 00:40:24
Is they've selected from those density bonus kind of menu items, if you will? 00:40:27
So there are amenities beyond the minimum open and recreational space. 00:40:32
That have been provided up to two times the amount of required open space. 00:40:38
There's a preservation of significant natural features such as. 00:40:43
The non mitigated wetlands This site actually has quite a few wetlands. 00:40:47
And then sort of the proposal for decorative plazas. 00:40:52
And the like throughout the development. 00:40:56
So again. 00:40:58
The applicant is seeking. 00:41:00
Density multiplier of .5. 00:41:02
Beyond the. 00:41:05
The standard R1 zoning. 00:41:08
And they've added two Staffs review. 00:41:10
At least enough additional. 00:41:15
Amenities for a .6. 00:41:17
OK. And I would just add, I mean, I think what we've been working on. 00:41:20
Diligently on this we've had a lot of. 00:41:24
Prior subdivision and particularly. 00:41:27
Planned development that we're pushing for as much density. 00:41:31
As they could get and I think. 00:41:35
The public. 00:41:38
And members of this Commission. 00:41:39
That wasn't really what we wanted to see in the community. 00:41:42
And this site plan that you're seeing looks very different. 00:41:45
Than what the majority of the proposals that have come? 00:41:50
To us in the past. 00:41:54
In recent past and and I think that's because of the work that was. 00:41:56
Done on this. 00:42:00
It's nice to see the first example. 00:42:02
I know it feels good, right? 00:42:05
That's a lot of work. 00:42:07
Jamie, can you remind me? 00:42:09
I know. 00:42:11
We had a lot of back and forth in the past and I don't know what the final, I don't recall what the final language is. 00:42:12
With this question about we have setbacks. 00:42:19
As buffer zones, but they're. 00:42:23
Part of our question had often been. 00:42:25
You know, is that an area that's just been cleared, it's simply a set back or do we have? 00:42:28
Visual buffer and I'm hearing in the presentation that we have areas that are left natural, so you wouldn't lose that. 00:42:33
Undergrowth, which is the visual on that and I think we have language about. 00:42:42
Either natural vegetative buffer or fencing on that. Yeah. So we offered that was the buffering. 00:42:46
Was one of the elements of our subdivision ordinance rewrite that was met with. 00:42:55
Some raised eyebrows from the development community. So we did and do offer more flexibility. So the starting point is kind of 25 00:43:02
foot undisturbed vegetated buffer. But we we do see some very nice interventions such as. 00:43:10
Vegetated burns with privacy fences, you know, and I think what would be a good suggestion from the Commission if you should. 00:43:19
Be interested in proceeding. 00:43:29
Is really a more detail. 00:43:30
And perhaps a transect or sort of a view. 00:43:33
Of what? Similar to what was done here for the roadway of what would be proposed and the width. 00:43:38
Of those. 00:43:46
Proposed buffers. 00:43:47
Some questions I did have about. 00:43:49
You know, bringing electricity to the site. 00:43:53
Have you guys looked at that? 00:43:57
We. 00:44:02
Has the electric is obviously runs down Saint Mary's Road, but we would have it within the community would all be underground. So 00:44:05
everything we would do you know through you can show in the on the right of way cross section there is a utility corridor. 00:44:11
That would be where that would come and then stub out to each individual lot, but it would be underground. No power poles with it. 00:44:18
Other than. 00:44:23
The required streetlights, great. So one of the things that we're struggling with right now on the Exit 1 development. 00:44:24
Is the extension of the of the power and you know, we're we're artfully trying to negotiate with Georgia Power, not a full 00:44:31
clearing of the tree line on Saint Mary's Road, so. 00:44:36
I think. 00:44:42
The the view of this development from Saint Mary's Road will be one that is vegetated tree line. It'll be yeah, yeah, that would 00:44:43
be our goal. 00:44:47
Yeah. 00:44:51
Also, one thing that was mentioned just for the Commission. 00:44:53
Talk through a little bit, and I don't know if we explicitly said this, but I think this is. 00:44:57
Of interest to. 00:45:02
The residential community that is to the east. 00:45:04
Of the proposed development. 00:45:08
This area that you're seeing here, which kind of lacks color. 00:45:10
That's how in our zoning map, we identify an established right of way. 00:45:16
So that was, at one point in time, meant to be an extension of Mickler. 00:45:21
To Saint Mary's Road. 00:45:28
Staff has discussed this quite a bit internally and also with the applicant. 00:45:30
With the existence of that. 00:45:36
Railroad and the challenges of getting a railroad crossing. 00:45:39
The wetlands that exist within that right of way. 00:45:44
It has been sort of. 00:45:47
It has been. 00:45:50
Dropped. 00:45:51
As a potential extension. 00:45:52
Of McClure. 00:45:55
So the access points as proposed. 00:45:56
By sorry, my apologies, I keep flicking through all of these. 00:45:59
Nope, gonna get it right. 00:46:04
Here there is. 00:46:06
So the you know the entry point that is being proposed right now. 00:46:08
Is that that main entry off of Mickler and you can see the? 00:46:13
Right of way or off of Saint Mary's Road. Apologies. 00:46:17
And you can see the right of way here that is essentially being undisturbed. 00:46:20
And we did that intentionally to minimize the wetlands impacts. 00:46:24
One other thing I do want to point out which was alluded to. 00:46:30
As some of you may recall. 00:46:36
This area. 00:46:39
Which is. 00:46:41
On the other side of Saint Mary's Road. 00:46:42
Is part of a planned development district known as Sweetgrass. 00:46:45
It's been kind of floating around for a while, but the landholder is still interested in proceeding. 00:46:51
They will have an entrance off of Saint Mary's Road. 00:46:59
That cuts north. 00:47:02
Kind of close to this Forestry Rd. here. 00:47:05
This area is proposed for condominiums that has been approved and has gone through. 00:47:08
This area here is mixed-use development. 00:47:15
So you'll have office, retail, commercial. 00:47:19
And we're. 00:47:23
We're speaking with the. 00:47:24
Developers right now. 00:47:27
The interior roadway, there'll be sort of an A parallel interior roadway here. 00:47:30
Which will have a multimodal path be golf carnival. 00:47:36
Highly landscaped and the approach here is to try to create some. 00:47:40
Community scale commercial that this community. 00:47:47
Could walk or golf cartoon. 00:47:50
So I don't envision. 00:47:52
A connection over Saint Mary's Road before these, between these two developments, you know. 00:47:55
That's something that we're working on. 00:48:01
On the other side of Saint Mary's Road, with intersection cuts and connections and traffic lights. 00:48:03
I don't see that here. I see this will be. 00:48:08
One if not 2 entrances and no real. 00:48:10
Connectivity to the other side. 00:48:15
You know, unless you got in your car and got on the road and. 00:48:19
Turned in, but there will be sort of a higher density development in that part of. 00:48:21
The undeveloped region there. 00:48:28
And lastly, what I'll say is that the a portion of. 00:48:30
The parcels under discussion are located in Tax Allocation district #3. 00:48:35
So some of the future. 00:48:41
Whether they be. 00:48:43
Multimodal path improvements or. 00:48:46
Public right of way improvements. Something like that could be. 00:48:49
Pursued through our tax allocation district. 00:48:54
Application process. 00:48:58
Thank you. 00:49:02
Elaine, if you yes, I guess the area. 00:49:03
That I have the most questions about is the one that is the R1 with the. 00:49:07
Largest number of homes in a. 00:49:13
When I look at it, it looks like you're going to have an awful lot of traffic going. 00:49:17
Out of that area, in front of a handful of houses, out to get to the exit. 00:49:23
And it just seems like it's. 00:49:29
Going to be a lot of traffic in that right in that section. I know you're going to be doing traffic studies and. 00:49:33
You're hoping to get other. 00:49:38
Yes, absence, but you're inside their community. 00:49:40
You're speaking, I'm inside the community. I think you're referring to this, this area here. 00:49:43
Passing in front of a few select houses there. Yes, yes, those are all. Those are all duplexes too, are they not? No, those will 00:49:48
still be the single family. 00:49:52
So yes, there you know, unfortunately that's going to be regardless there's. 00:49:57
There's going to be some pinch points somewhere along the line. We do our best to try and minimize that. We are kind of. 00:50:03
It's a balance we're trying to achieve the best balance of. 00:50:10
How much you know Woodlands do we take out? Do we put in more streets? How much wetlands do we remove? 00:50:14
We know that those are going to be. 00:50:21
The more difficult houses to sell, to be honest and but yeah, it's a balance we. 00:50:24
Try to minimize that as best we can. And then I was also concerned because of the density of the area. 00:50:30
How big are the driveways? How many cars can park on? 00:50:40
Their personal lot, yeah. So they would be a 16 foot wide driveway. It would match this two car garage. 00:50:44
So you would be able to park at least two vehicles. 00:50:52
In the garage and two and two parking spaces. Surface parking in the driveway. 00:50:55
Because that was the other question, is company parking? 00:51:00
Those streets, I know you're just trying to make them a little wider, but I mean, if. 00:51:06
Folks parked all in the street. 00:51:10
And emergency vehicles had to get in. It could be a bit of a problem and we. 00:51:12
And we would go back and need to adjust that, but that may be part of our. 00:51:18
HOA covenants and restrictions is that we would not have any on street parking. 00:51:23
But then if you didn't have any on street, where would they put? Where would the company? 00:51:28
Park that. You would have 4 parking spaces per unit. There would also be. 00:51:33
There is also additional and some of the amenity spaces there, there's parking there. 00:51:37
We know it. 00:51:43
We feel that it meets the requirement, I mean. 00:51:44
Could we stop people from throwing a big birthday bash and having a bunch of cars down the street? You know, I don't know, but we 00:51:47
would have that restrictions in place to try to minimize that. At least no parking on only one side of the street or something on 00:51:52
that or? 00:51:57
Yeah, you're right. The other concern I think you've answered, but I'm assuming there'll be a lot of families with children here. 00:52:02
And the school is like right over there on the other side of the. 00:52:09
Railroad tracks. 00:52:13
And they're probably too close to get busing. 00:52:15
Yeah, so I'm worried about these little ******* trying to squeeze through whatever you put up to get to that school because 00:52:19
walking all the way around. 00:52:25
Is a long way, yeah. 00:52:31
That would be. That's a bit of a concern for me too. Understood. Yeah, I think that's fair. We'd be happy to discuss that and come 00:52:32
to the resolution with the tell kids. They're gonna try and find a way. Yeah. 00:52:39
A resolution with the with the school district, we can, we can work through that maybe if they look at it. 00:52:45
Instead of a straight line if there is. 00:52:50
But yeah, with the railroad there and we talked about that with some of the restrictions. 00:52:53
The difficulty of any type of railroad crossing. 00:52:57
Is just hard to come by these days so. 00:53:01
But we would be open to talking about that with the school district. Those were my primary concern. Thank you. Thank you. 00:53:04
What's your? What is the? 00:53:11
Percentage. 00:53:12
Of duplex versus single family, Oh gosh, I'm looking at, let's see, it's less than half would be the duplexes of the 325, it's 00:53:14
179. 00:53:20
Of the detached and 146 of the attached. So it's pretty much. 00:53:26
Kind of 5050. It's a little little, yeah, there's. 00:53:31
Slightly more of the detached homes on the bigger lots. 00:53:35
One of my big concerns. 00:53:38
I live right around the corner there. 00:53:40
At Aspe Cove. 00:53:44
We've had quite a few people killed. 00:53:45
Trying to get out of Osprey Cove on the Saint Mary's Road. 00:53:47
The bulk of the people coming out of this, they're going to be turning left. 00:53:50
Because if you turn right and go to Colerain. 00:53:54
Turn left. You can go to Saint Mary's or you can go to 95 right. 00:53:56
You need another entrance on the. 00:54:01
Saint Mary's for this many people. Yes, that. 00:54:03
And I couldn't approve. 00:54:06
Can't even consider approving it until you can show you have two entrances. Well, we've got 3 on this site plan we've got right 00:54:09
now. There's you don't have the approval form. 00:54:13
Omega Cubia. 00:54:18
Or do you that's a question that statement. 00:54:20
It's a good possibility he won't get the second entrance. 00:54:23
Off that. 00:54:28
I know for a fact. 00:54:30
The dot turned down 1 developer before. 00:54:31
Try to get a psychiatrist. 00:54:35
Down towards Colerain Rd. 00:54:37
What we would like to see one foot. 00:54:39
DLT and the Navy both have to approve. 00:54:42
A second interest on that room. 00:54:46
Because it is. 00:54:48
A limited access Rd. 00:54:49
And the city's got no say so over it. 00:54:52
Second question, is something you said a little disturbing? 00:54:56
He said these are going to be $300,000 houses. 00:55:01
Yet you're saying they're they're four bedroom? 00:55:04
There they would be. 00:55:08
You didn't mention square footage at all. 00:55:10
They're in the slides there. I can show you some of those. 00:55:12
I don't see this as a. 00:55:17
Have a positive impact. 00:55:19
On the communities that are already there, I see it being a negative. 00:55:21
And the pricing is of course. 00:55:25
We're trying to look two years into the future and so when these houses will actually come to market based on if they were here 00:55:29
today from what our cost and and what. 00:55:34
We feel would be a viable project and would be sell. 00:55:40
Would be able to sell. 00:55:44
Would be and that would be on the smaller end for those 350 or the 300, you know that would be at the. 00:55:46
Three bedroom, 2 bath. 00:55:53
1500 to 1800 square foot your single. 00:55:55
Single level. 00:55:58
And then the other ones you know, that be 2350 square feet, four bedroom, 2 1/2 bath. 00:56:00
What we call our Headley Bay model. 00:56:06
But we would be starting. 00:56:09
In those ranges there in the mid twos and then in the mid threes for the other community that's going in now. 00:56:11
I believe they're staring at six. 00:56:19
Which is 1 heck of a Yeah, I don't I I'm not sure. I mean, I have to interject here. 00:56:23
Not apples to apples there. I think that's not at all. I think, you know, it's a, it would be a, a gated community. 00:56:29
Resort amenities, which will start in the sixes. 00:56:36
But umm. 00:56:39
We do have an existing housing development, Hayden Point, if you'll remember that it's gone through. It's now in its third phase. 00:56:40
Hayden Point, another large home developer, can bring, you know, a. 00:56:49
1600 square foot, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, single family home to market at about 3:15 3/30. 00:56:55
So, and those are. 00:57:02
I mean, if our permit tech was here, she would tell you they they come through and they sell. I'm more concerned about the 00:57:04
entrance. 00:57:07
Under the highway, yeah. And we would have the traffic studies and we've worked with G dot on that to make sure that. 00:57:11
Everything is adequate and maybe. 00:57:17
Whatever if their signalization required or whatever it is that we are asked to do. 00:57:20
By the Department of Transportation is what we plan to meet. 00:57:25
Thank you. 00:57:31
Other questions from. 00:57:32
Members. 00:57:33
Yep. All right. Thank you. We're going to address the sexual plan. I'll address in the. 00:57:35
We're addressing all. 00:57:42
Elements of this will take separate actions for the rezoning versus the versus the conceptual. But for this. 00:57:44
Purpose of the discussion and also the public comment, we're going to look at all both the rezoning and the conceptual. So any 00:57:51
questions you have on either one of those. 00:57:56
Categories want to bring forward. 00:58:01
OK. All right. So with that, we're going to open up our public comment section. 00:58:03
Of this, so if you'd like to give comment on this, if you'll come forward, give your name and address. 00:58:09
Question. 00:58:16
We, I think as part of public comment you can pose what your questions are and we'll try to see if we can. 00:58:19
Answer them. 00:58:26
So do I have anyone for public comment on this item? 00:58:28
You'll come forward. 00:58:32
Dave Schmitz, 112 new hammock. 00:58:37
Circle up and shadow on. 00:58:40
It's on green. 00:58:43
I think you're good, maybe just closer. 00:58:45
Understanding this is early in the conversation. 00:58:48
For what's going on here. 00:58:51
Umm, but. 00:58:54
One of my concerns and looking at what's been presented today. 00:58:57
And I think. 00:59:01
Mr. White. 00:59:03
Addressed it. 00:59:05
Fairly well. 00:59:06
But come on folks. 00:59:09
Every family is going to have at least two cars and if they've got kids, maybe 3 or 4. 00:59:11
Umm. 00:59:17
In the conceptual drawing. 00:59:22
It looked to me like there was room behind the house that maybe you could move the house back a little bit or make the driveway 00:59:25
wider. 00:59:28
But umm. 00:59:32
With no on street parking. 00:59:33
I suspect that parking is going to be an issue. 00:59:36
I would question. 00:59:40
Who, when this is all said and done and and people are moving in, who owns the roads? 00:59:42
Are they going to be part of the subdivision's HOA's responsibility? 00:59:50
As they are like in Ashby Cove. 00:59:56
Or are they gonna be? 00:59:58
A city issue. 01:00:02
Or government issue. 01:00:04
I didn't see. 01:00:08
Anything addressing? 01:00:10
Probably every 3rd house will have a book parked in front of it or next to it. 01:00:13
So. 01:00:17
This early in the conversation, maybe there ought to be some. 01:00:20
Thought given to boat and RV parking. 01:00:23
I didn't see on there. 01:00:31
How wide the driveways were for the duplexes. 01:00:33
But their single car? 01:00:37
So I'm guessing the driveways aren't as wide as a. 01:00:39
Two car driveway. 01:00:42
And does that indicate that each family would then only be able to park one in the garage and one in the driveway? 01:00:44
Again. 01:00:52
If there's a teenager in the house, you're going to have at least three cars. 01:00:53
And I figured this was the time to talk about that stuff, so. 01:00:58
Thank you for your time. 01:01:02
Mr. White, I don't know if you want to respond. 01:01:03
To any of those. 01:01:06
Questions that you've got a quick answer for. 01:01:08
The I can speak to. 01:01:11
It is our standard practice as a company that. 01:01:15
We as part of our HOA guidelines that we will have established. 01:01:18
There will not be any. 01:01:23
RV or boat parking. 01:01:24
Allowed in front of the homes or on the street? If it's something that can be fit in a garage then. 01:01:27
Wonderful. 01:01:32
But otherwise it can't be exposed throughout the street. 01:01:33
The parking requirements. 01:01:37
I would just ask you know that we would just be asked to meet what is required by the code. 01:01:39
As we do that. 01:01:45
Whatever those those calculated number of spaces are. 01:01:46
Will meet that requirement if it means that we need to find some place for some surface parking. 01:01:50
In order to meet that requirement, we will work that in, but at this point we feel like we've we've met what? 01:01:56
Required by code and we will. 01:02:02
Make sure that we always will. 01:02:04
And then ownership on streets, infrastructure, you know, we've talked to. 01:02:06
We're open either way to whatever is obviously what is agreeable to the city, whether it's dedicated to the city. 01:02:12
Through the. 01:02:20
We can do that. 01:02:21
If if you would, if the city would prefer and as we go through the planning process. 01:02:23
For those dedications, if the city has an objection to that. 01:02:28
We would be hoping to do that. It would just mean that it would that would be more the maintenance cost that would passed on to 01:02:32
the homeowners. 01:02:35
OK. 01:02:40
All right. 01:02:42
Ken Jolly 102 Salt grass trace here in Saint Mary's. 01:02:46
Relative to recreational vehicles. 01:02:50
For the most part. 01:02:54
They don't fit in a garage. They're just not going to go in there. 01:02:55
So living in shadow lawn, we have the same problem. 01:02:58
Individuals have attempted then to park on. 01:03:04
The grass which? 01:03:08
Is not permitted. 01:03:09
So that's something to consider is there are going to be people that have RV's, they're going to be folks that have large boats. 01:03:11
That will not fit in the garage. 01:03:18
They're going to have two cars parked in the driveway, maybe more. 01:03:20
Where will that recreational vehicle or larger? 01:03:25
Larger boat go. 01:03:28
The other question. 01:03:30
I don't travel a lot up and down St. Mary's Rd. but. 01:03:32
As I recall when I do. 01:03:36
Isn't there a grassed median? 01:03:39
All the way on that part of Saint Mary's Road. 01:03:42
So if you were to be exiting from this development, need to turn left. 01:03:46
You would have to turn right. 01:03:50
And go to Colerain Road and make a left and then come back. 01:03:52
You could go straight across. 01:03:56
You're straight across the grass median. That's where people die. 01:03:58
Well, that's not permitted. 01:04:02
I think that it's another. 01:04:04
Awful Saint Mary right across the street. 01:04:07
From this one. 01:04:11
And I think. 01:04:13
It is a turn around me. I'm not. I don't remember. I don't recall so. 01:04:14
But that's something to take a look at and. 01:04:21
And then evaluate. Thank you very much. 01:04:24
OK. 01:04:26
I have. And if you'll give your name and address, my name is Andrea Cody. I live at 201 Tory Drive. 01:04:32
And Miss Stein, if you would zoom out, I'll show you exactly where I am. 01:04:39
So I. 01:04:45
Right here. 01:04:48
And we've lived there since 2012. 01:04:53
So we've been there a little while, saw the land change. 01:04:55
Hands a few times after Oscar passed away, but. 01:04:59
I do have a question. So the townhouses, are they going to be for sale or for rent or for? 01:05:02
They will be approved. 01:05:09
Should I speak to the microphone? Yeah. 01:05:11
That's OK. 01:05:14
They will be a fee simple separate lot, meaning they are sold now. There won't be a restriction at least to where if somebody buys 01:05:15
it and they want to rent their house. 01:05:21
But each one will be a four cell unit, OK. 01:05:26
Because I, I heard you mentioned the property management and I thought, well, this is going to be a rental thing or like a 01:05:29
apartment complex or townhouse complex. 01:05:33
And I was confused. 01:05:38
And the other thing I wanted to say, somebody talked about the utilities as far as power. 01:05:39
But also. 01:05:46
Has anybody looked into water? 01:05:47
The utilities for the water because I know we've had some issues. 01:05:49
With the water system. 01:05:54
Near Marilee Clark. I don't know if anybody knew about that recently, but. 01:05:56
We've had some water issues. 01:06:01
With the sewer. 01:06:04
And merely around Marilee Clark and in our issue, we have some flooding issues just because there are behind my house on my lot. 01:06:06
I have protected wetlands that I can't. 01:06:13
Destroy. I can't build on or anything. 01:06:16
And I know we spoke on the lots for proposed rezoning. There's some wetlands there are. I didn't know if they were. 01:06:18
Any protective wetlands or if they were just wetlands that. 01:06:25
Can be mitigated and built on. 01:06:28
And as far as mitigating and built on it. 01:06:31
I was going to have the same comment about the townhouses the the the duplexes. 01:06:35
With the one car garage and I've seen them. 01:06:39
I we lived in Virginia for a while, so I have I'm familiar with Ryan Holmes and some of their buildings. 01:06:43
And the single. 01:06:48
Garage with the townhouse units. They have the the narrow driveway. 01:06:51
If you have two. 01:06:55
Two people like a husband and a wife. 01:06:57
If one parks in the garage and one parks in the driveway. 01:06:59
I mean, there's no, there's no with an 8 foot wide driveway, there's no jockeying around somebody if the person in the garage has 01:07:03
to leave before the person in the driveway and. 01:07:07
And I mean, I've raised two teenagers, so we've had four cars in our driveway at one point in time. 01:07:11
And parking on the road if you're not going to park on the road. 01:07:16
Then you come into. 01:07:21
An issue with. 01:07:23
Just the amount of drivers that. 01:07:24
In the amount of cars. 01:07:26
So maybe if. 01:07:28
If you're going to have the 8 foot wide driveways. 01:07:30
Put some spaces in the community for overflow parking I think. 01:07:34
I've seen this in a couple developments around in this in Camden County. I can't remember where but they have. 01:07:41
Oh, on in Kingsland as you go by. 01:07:48
The golf course there where? 01:07:51
Laurel Island is they have a couple overflow. 01:07:55
Parking lots that are right off color right there that you can see. 01:07:58
And, umm. 01:08:01
I mean, that's an option, but I was, I was more. 01:08:02
Concerned about the utilities, not only the power, but the water. 01:08:05
And infrastructure before we go. 01:08:11
Hog wild and. 01:08:13
And building all this stuff. 01:08:14
And my other question to. 01:08:16
The builder was the 30 foot or 25 foot set back from the railroad tracks. 01:08:19
So the railroad tracks have. 01:08:24
They're raised a bit, and then there's a. 01:08:27
And then it goes into the trees. 01:08:30
Of their. 01:08:32
Of their land, their proposed. 01:08:34
Rebuild. Yeah, so. 01:08:37
Yeah. So is is the 30 foot going to be from the actual track? 01:08:41
To there or is it going to be from where the trees start right now because the trees are set back? 01:08:50
The trees don't start, but probably 20. 01:08:55
Or so feet from the tracks right now. 01:08:58
So I was wondering if. 01:09:01
That 25 foot thing, if they're just going to mow down all the trees and just come right up almost to the rocks and where the 01:09:02
railroad track is. 01:09:06
That was my other question, because the trains do occasionally move on those tracks. They. 01:09:10
Their their deadlines, but they still. 01:09:15
They still park their trains there sometimes they use it as like an overflow. 01:09:18
Type situation. 01:09:23
And I do call the police occasionally for the non-emergency number for children who are climbing all over the rail cars and 01:09:25
things. 01:09:29
And throw rocks at my house but. 01:09:32
Yeah, I don't mind until it gets my yard the rocks. 01:09:35
And I think those are my only questions and comments and concerns. 01:09:40
But thank you for your time. 01:09:45
Mr. White, do you want to? 01:09:47
Particularly, we've got a question about. 01:09:50
How the setback or I don't know if? 01:09:52
Jamie, correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, the 25 foot set back would come from. 01:09:54
The property line. 01:10:00
Not from the railroad track, so if I could show it would be the 25 feet. 01:10:01
From here this way. 01:10:05
So all that additional from the railroad would still remain. 01:10:07
So that would be additional on top of that. 01:10:11
So, and I'm sorry, what? 01:10:13
What other questions? Is there anything else I can answer? 01:10:16
There was a question about protected wetlands and whether there were any plans to. 01:10:19
Mitigate yes. So we have in in our plant. So they are not. 01:10:25
Protected in the sense that they're put in a conservation. 01:10:30
Easement but so they are available we if we chose to. 01:10:34
We could mitigate them, we just choose not to. 01:10:39
We want to leave that as. 01:10:42
Something to beautify the area to keep that. We know that that's what folks are coming here and they want to. 01:10:45
Experience as as part of their community and we want to be able to do that. 01:10:52
With the parking, we know that. 01:10:57
Not everybody wants A1 car garage with a little tiny skinny driveway. 01:11:00
But we feel that there are. 01:11:05
Folks who that there is a market. 01:11:08
For that and we feel like that might be an underserved market here, particularly maybe with the. 01:11:10
With the. 01:11:16
Military, uh. 01:11:17
That would be that there are folks who. 01:11:18
Would love to have it would fit their needs to have that type of garage, that type of driveway and that type of home to live in 01:11:23
and and they will be yes they will be for sale when we talk about. 01:11:29
A property management company that is for the community as a whole to make sure. 01:11:35
The grass is being mowed and the pool is being cleaned and that sort of thing. It's not for each individual lot, it's for the 01:11:39
community, common areas. 01:11:43
And then Jamie, I thought maybe if you want to comment about the process on because we're really only on. 01:11:48
Conceptual plan here about analysis. 01:11:54
On parking standards and also about infrastructure needs, water, sewer. 01:11:57
Yeah. So I think. 01:12:03
I'll address. Yeah, sure, sure. 01:12:06
What we can do is if you should move to approve at the preliminary plat. 01:12:10
Level of review. 01:12:17
A few more of the details will be worked out and I think perhaps there's an opportunity there to look for some additional parking 01:12:19
spaces. 01:12:23
We may also, as staff, explore in the duplex product if there is an opportunity. 01:12:28
To maybe do a little bump out here. 01:12:36
Maybe make a wider driveway potential, I think there's some avenues that staff can take. 01:12:39
With the applicant. 01:12:46
To both review parking requirements and to try to add in a little bit more additional parking at the preliminary plat. 01:12:48
Level umm. 01:12:56
So to address water and sewer. 01:12:56
So right now we're looking at the action of. 01:13:00
Rezoning the land. 01:13:04
Sort of conceptually laying out densities, where homes will be, where roads will be, setbacks, buffers, landscaping. 01:13:06
If that does proceed and move forward, the next step will be a little bit of a tighter drawing lines on paper, showing us where 01:13:15
those lots will be more exact than what you're seeing in this conceptual plat. 01:13:20
Some things may move, some things may change. 01:13:26
I think what I would recommend to the applicant. 01:13:29
Is to sort of show those wetlands, show what is mitigated, show what is not being mitigated. I think that speaks volumes in this. 01:13:32
Development. 01:13:43
And would kind of put that message across a little bit more clearly and is also what is getting you that density bonus. 01:13:44
And then? 01:13:52
If the Commission should choose to proceed beyond the preliminary plat level, then the engineering comes in and takes place and we 01:13:53
start to working internally as a team with our public works department, with our Fire Chief, with our building official, the 01:14:00
planning and zoning team. We're looking at all of the elements to make sure it meets the zoning, the densities, the setbacks, the 01:14:06
roadway design standards. 01:14:13
And then at a certain point. 01:14:20
We'll put this forward to the Environmental Protection Division that will look at the water and sewer capacity, the draw in the 01:14:22
water and make sure that all that capacity is there. 01:14:27
And that will be designed and looked at by engineers and signed off on. So it's not something that. 01:14:32
This body sees, but it's something that's done kind of behind the scenes to ensure. 01:14:37
That the water and sewer infrastructure is put in place. 01:14:43
The city also enacts a series of aid to construction fees. Very few people know this, but each single family home puts forward. 01:14:47
About $14,000 in aid to construction fees and those go towards the maintenance and upkeep of our water and sewer infrastructure. 01:14:56
So you know, with this development comes. 01:15:03
The infrastructure that would be put in place and also a significant amount of dollars that would. 01:15:06
Go to the city for maintaining that infrastructure. 01:15:11
Do we have additional public comment on this item? 01:15:18
And again if you give your name and address. 01:15:22
My name is Jack Rice. I live at 105 Tory Drive. 01:15:26
I'm not here today to speak on opposition of. 01:15:30
Improvements or. 01:15:33
Things being built. 01:15:35
Get a little closer to the mic. 01:15:37
I'm here to speak on. 01:15:39
Strongly encouraging you all to. 01:15:41
Reconsider this single entry entry access point. 01:15:44
Speak up, please, Sir. 01:15:48
Pick up it goes by a school. 01:15:50
An elementary school. 01:15:54
There are dozens of children that walk that road daily. 01:15:56
I would also strongly. 01:16:02
Consider you to. 01:16:04
To look back into. 01:16:07
There's an abundance of wildlife back. 01:16:09
I know that's probably the least of concerns. 01:16:13
But I know for a fact that there are Gopher tortoises back there. 01:16:15
And I know that that's a protected species in the state of Georgia. 01:16:20
With all that being said. 01:16:25
I think that's it. 01:16:27
Far less prepared as anybody else that stood here tonight. 01:16:28
I think that's all I have. 01:16:33
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 01:16:35
Do you want to, Sir? If you weren't prepared, I'd hate to see if you were, because you were great. Thank you. 01:16:39
The uh. 01:16:46
A couple of things. 01:16:48
One is I can speak to the protected species. 01:16:50
We have ordered and are in the process of doing a complete environmental assessment. 01:16:53
Which it also includes, you know. 01:16:58
It gives us a detailed list of what species are on the property, but also what species. 01:17:00
Is this? 01:17:08
Habitat for SO even if they don't see them. 01:17:10
We got to find out if they're there or not because they potentially could be. 01:17:13
So we will do that and also they will look at all. 01:17:17
All vegetation, plants, trees. 01:17:20
We take all that into consideration and what impacts we have. 01:17:23
In order to do this. 01:17:28
Project we also have taken the steps of a archaeological survey we've looked for historical. 01:17:30
Artifacts. 01:17:38
And have gone back and seeing for that and what that would need to do. 01:17:39
In any sort of impact archaeologically for the for the community as well. 01:17:44
So we're trying to look at all these things we don't know just yet. 01:17:48
At this point, we're just conceptual. 01:17:51
We're at the. 01:17:54
We're just trying to find out. 01:17:55
Can we build what we think we want to build here? 01:17:58
We may find stuff later on that make it completely. 01:18:01
You know, just not feasible for us to do that in which case we will pull the plug, but we just want to get to this initial step to 01:18:05
make sure that. 01:18:09
Conceptually, we can build. 01:18:12
The number of houses of the size of lots. 01:18:14
The community that we're envisioning and if conceptually we can do that and move on to the next step. 01:18:17
And we'll verify and check all the boxes before we get everything all done, before we ever put a shovel on the ground. 01:18:23
Thank you. 01:18:31
Do we have other public comment on this item? 01:18:33
OK. 01:18:40
I'm Charlene Reiness. I live next door to Miss Andrea at 203 Torrey. 01:18:41
And something you were saying describing the development, which struck me as crazy. 01:18:46
But the more amenities we include, the more dog pass, one pass, the more permission we get to cram more people into this space. 01:18:52
That's nuts to me. They still driving, going to school. 01:18:58
Using the utilities, I don't see how that makes. 01:19:05
Us a better community, cramming more people into a small place. And I know we're going to build. I know we're growing. 01:19:09
For these duplexes, I'm going to walk out of my front yard and see these duplexes which. 01:19:15
I think we can do better. I think we can do better single family homes. 01:19:21
More green space. That's not enough to my liking. 01:19:25
I mean, we can do better. Let's not cheapen our area. I spent most of my adult life on Saint Simon's. They have ruined it. 01:19:29
Absolutely ruined that neighborhood. There's people on top of people, the traffic, the streets flood. 01:19:36
We don't want to have that here. 01:19:42
And what will this look like in 10 years? You know it's going to be brand new shiny right now. 01:19:44
It's going to get a bunch of renters in there. It's not going to be brand new and shiny forever. The traffic. 01:19:49
I mean, let's just make good choices. Let's make something that we're going to be proud of. 01:19:54
To look back on, you know, in the future. 01:19:59
That's all I have to say. 01:20:02
OK. 01:20:04
I appreciate that. Thank you for your comment, ma'am. 01:20:07
I just wanted to. 01:20:13
Make it known that. 01:20:14
The density bonus we're asking for if we're looking at just number of units per acre. 01:20:16
We, by right, could build more houses than we're asking for right here. The only reason we're asking for a bonus, the bonus is so 01:20:22
that we can narrow those lots. We're not asking for more lots, we're just asking that we can do smaller, which gives us more green 01:20:28
space by having these smaller lots. 01:20:33
So we feel like, uh, uh. 01:20:39
You know what we're asking to do. 01:20:40
Would be beneficial. 01:20:42
We know that. 01:20:44
Things are changing, and that's always. 01:20:46
Difficult and but we feel like. 01:20:48
We build a quality product and we that we can. 01:20:51
We can stand behind and you know, I would invite anybody to take a look at any of our projects that have been done for 10 years. 01:20:55
We've been in business since 1948. 01:20:59
Go look at some of our communities that have been around for 50 years. 01:21:05
And and and see what they look like. So thank you. 01:21:08
Looks like we have another comment if you want to come forward. 01:21:13
I'm Christiane Martin. 01:21:23
I live at 620 Victoria Circle, Saint Mary's, Georgia. 01:21:25
My concern is. 01:21:30
One entrance. 01:21:31
Our elementary school. 01:21:33
The traffic on that road, it's two lanes. It gets crazy. 01:21:35
And we've got little kids walking. I mean taking the back Rd. to it. 01:21:39
All that, I don't think that's been taken into consideration. 01:21:43
And it really needs to be. It's going to be dangerous. 01:21:47
Thank you. 01:21:51
If I could, I've I've heard this public comment now twice, so I want to be very clear of how this property is being accessed. 01:21:53
It is being accessed off of Saint Mary's Road. 01:22:02
The roadway will not. 01:22:05
Continue. 01:22:08
Mickler So I just I just want to be, I just want to be careful there. So this this drawing. 01:22:11
You could perceive that this is going to be. 01:22:17
A roadway here, I'm sorry, I'm pointing. You can't see that. 01:22:21
This is not. This is undeveloped land. 01:22:24
This is just demarcate demarcating. 01:22:28
The city's right of way, the roadway we will the development will enter off of Saint Mary's Road. 01:22:30
There will be no traffic. 01:22:37
Going over and onto Mickler Drive. 01:22:40
Can I clarify what I think she's trying? 01:22:44
Correct me if I'm wrong and if you give your name and that yes ma'am, my name or Sir, sorry, my name is Ashley Rice. I'm at 105 01:22:50
Tory Dr. also. 01:22:53
And I think. 01:22:57
One of my concerns as well as maybe theirs. 01:22:59
The school entrance a as a city. 01:23:02
So now we've got the Esplanade going in at exit 1. 01:23:07
This is potential, I hear you saying. There's another subdivision going across the street. 01:23:11
My kids go to Mary Lee Clark. The school is going. 01:23:16
To explode. 01:23:20
It is already. 01:23:22
Fairly busy school. 01:23:24
And I think. 01:23:25
What they're trying to say is that the school entrance only has one entrance, not. 01:23:27
Not the neighborhood entrance, but. 01:23:32
They're going to go around to Mickler. 01:23:34
And everyone is going to pile in. I don't know if you've been down Mickler at drop off or pickup. 01:23:37
But it is mass chaos. 01:23:42
If you do not get there by two 4245. 01:23:45
You're out on the street for pickup and if we're adding all of these extra homes to it. 01:23:49
How are we going to accommodate? 01:23:55
All of that traffic. 01:23:58
Thank you. 01:24:01
All right, do we have other comment on this item? 01:24:05
All right, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment. 01:24:11
Portion of this. 01:24:15
With that, then, are there do we have further discussion that we need to have? 01:24:18
On this and I think it might be helpful again. 01:24:23
If you, Jamie, kind of remind folks. 01:24:26
Of our process and what we're doing here tonight versus what? 01:24:29
Where the opportunities are. 01:24:35
With additional information that it comes back to. 01:24:37
The Planning Commission? Sure. Yep, happy to do that. 01:24:40
So I also want to take a moment just to, we didn't walk through these materials. I, I know this is a little bit difficult to see 01:24:44
here. I apologize. 01:24:48
Um, in the application there were. 01:24:53
A few conceptual plants that were submitted. 01:24:58
What I am showing you now is the. 01:25:01
There we go. 01:25:06
Is the straight zoning. I'm sorry, I don't know why that keeps going off, but. 01:25:08
What I am trying to convey here is to. 01:25:14
Address the the the crazy comment that I made earlier. I'm trying to address that. 01:25:17
It's not that, it's more and more as Mr. White said. 01:25:23
The straight zoning will allow a certain amount of homes. 01:25:27
As well as the residential density bonus. So I just. 01:25:32
Would encourage the commissioners to look at that overall site plan. 01:25:37
In comparison, there is more density and there is more also. 01:25:42
Open space is a part of that. 01:25:47
The next thing I'll go towards. 01:25:50
Is where we are in this process. 01:25:53
Right now, this evening before you, is the rezoning of the four parcels. 01:25:56
So predominantly shifting what is. 01:26:01
Commercial zoning. 01:26:04
You know, commercial zoning also has. 01:26:07
Very few setbacks has a larger lot coverage allocation, so the intensity of development and going from commercial. 01:26:10
Which is currently zoned to residential is a reduction in that development intensity. 01:26:19
So before you tonight, is there a rezoning of these 4 parcels? 01:26:26
In addition to that, is a conceptual plat. 01:26:30
That conceptual plan, as Mr. White said, is showing you. 01:26:34
The proposed density. The proposed open space, the proposed amenity space, the layout, the roadways. 01:26:39
Not. 01:26:46
Fully engineered by any means, just conceptual. 01:26:47
If you should move to approve this, it will proceed to Council for review and approval. 01:26:51
If that also gets approved, then it will advance. 01:26:58
To the next stage, which is the preliminary plot. 01:27:01
Little bit more engineering, a little bit more layout. 01:27:04
What I would suggest is that we. 01:27:09
You know, take any more questions. 01:27:12
Discuss potential conditions. 01:27:15
If you'd like to take that route. 01:27:18
But I think as part of this. 01:27:21
Looking at the conceptual plan. 01:27:23
You're kind of hearing from the Commission and from the public. 01:27:26
About the concerns about. 01:27:29
Traffic access. 01:27:32
Impact on schools. 01:27:35
Buffer zones on site parking, So those are. 01:27:37
I think kind of a preview. 01:27:41
Of when we get to a preliminary plat. 01:27:43
Of things that as you're moving forward on this process. 01:27:46
That there will be more detail. 01:27:50
And you've already talked about? 01:27:52
Traffic study and you know G dot. 01:27:54
And coordinating with them on what's allowable, what's not allowable and sort of things. So we're kind of stepping. 01:27:58
Through this. 01:28:04
Process so. 01:28:05
Tonight, if we. 01:28:07
Are to approve this. 01:28:09
We are not then saying OK. 01:28:11
Go do this. 01:28:14
We're saying this is our first. 01:28:15
Step forward. 01:28:18
On this process, on this being rezoned to be residential and then sort of the the concept of how this would be developed. 01:28:20
Yes, but I want to be clear that the. 01:28:29
The approach of adding the conceptual plat stage to our subdivision process. 01:28:34
Was so that the Commission and the developer very early on. 01:28:41
In the development could get. 01:28:45
On board about. 01:28:48
Densities, open space, amenities, layouts, roadways, access. So it's kind of a go or no go zone and I think we need to be clear. 01:28:49
About, you know, one of the things that we talked about when we were rewriting the subdivision ordinance. 01:29:01
Was that it is a worst case scenario? 01:29:06
That we come to a final plat. 01:29:09
And we have. 01:29:11
You know, questions, concerns, right? And we've taken that action. 01:29:13
To now insert the conceptual plaque. 01:29:18
As a new sort of phase of development that you get that we all get to review. 01:29:21
Then also including the preliminary plat. 01:29:28
And on the very end, when the final plan comes forward for recording. 01:29:30
That doesn't come to this body anymore, that goes straight to council and for recording so. 01:29:35
We're trying to front load the process in this conceptual phase to get all these. 01:29:41
Kinks out so I think. 01:29:47
Part of the discussion is really to. 01:29:49
For the Commission and the developer to hear. 01:29:51
What will be required in order for you to feel comfortable moving forward at this time? 01:29:55
I did want to note we did have 3 written comments that were submitted those. 01:30:04
Have been uploaded. 01:30:09
So they are part of the record. 01:30:11
For these proceedings and one of which I believe the individual was able to attend this meeting in person and also. 01:30:13
Give comment. 01:30:21
Jamie, do you have maybe it's here and I'm unable to sort it out, but. 01:30:23
Of the five parcels. 01:30:28
Only one of them is zone. 01:30:31
Zoned R5. 01:30:34
The rest of them are all C2 if I'm not. 01:30:35
I believe. 01:30:38
Would that imply that? 01:30:41
4/5 of this is zoned commercial now you got it by acreage or is it? 01:30:43
So it looks like. 01:30:50
Currently I couldn't tell them in the current zoning. 01:30:52
Of the four parcels. 01:30:58
In the current zoning, there is a 51 acre parcel that is zoned R5. 01:30:59
So that is the townhouse dwelling district. 01:31:04
There is a. 01:31:07
16 acre parcel that is zoned commercial. 01:31:09
Highway Commercial. 01:31:13
There is a 34 acre parcel that is zoned Hwy. commercial. 01:31:15
And there is a 56 acre parcel that is owned. The bulk of it is zoned commercial. 01:31:19
All right, so we have the idea. 01:31:30
When that R5 was resolved, R5. 01:31:34
But originally it was. 01:31:42
Not at the. 01:31:44
Not the top of my head. 01:31:45
Yeah, not at the top of my head. 01:31:47
All right, so are there. 01:31:52
Further questions that the Commission wants to talk about. Do we have questions for the city? 01:31:55
Are we ready to look at each one of these request items? 01:32:00
I have. No, I don't think we have to look at each other. I've got some questions. OK, go, go ahead 1. 01:32:06
You're trying to get more density in your. 01:32:12
I don't disagree with that. Right now our one property. 01:32:16
Requires a 10,000 square foot lot. 01:32:21
So by reducing the lot size, you get more density. 01:32:25
I understand that I have no problem with that. 01:32:29
I do have a problem with 50 foot wide. 01:32:31
Very serious problem. 01:32:34
I I can go as low as. 01:32:37
I can agree with Lord of 60 foot wildlife. 01:32:38
I don't like 5 foot setbacks. 01:32:41
I want much set back as I can. 01:32:44
A 20 foot set back on the front. 01:32:46
Is not good. 01:32:49
Because that won't fit a status. 01:32:51
Well, true, true. 01:32:53
Pickup truck with a trailer hitch. 01:32:56
That will fill up a 20 foot set back. 01:32:58
In driveway. 01:33:01
And this is this is so muffled. So that's so many as I'm giving you. 01:33:03
Right up front. 01:33:08
On my opinion. 01:33:10
Now anybody? 01:33:12
I'm ready, OK. 01:33:16
Any other comments? 01:33:20
All right, so we have 4 rezonings that we need to. 01:33:23
Deal with individually. 01:33:29
So we're going to then. 01:33:31
Look at item number 2, which is a rezoning of parcel 121021. 01:33:34
And this is going from a commercial to an R1. 01:33:41
Do we have a motion for this item? 01:33:46
I'll make a motion to approve it. 01:33:51
Right. Do we have a second? 01:33:53
I'll second. 01:33:55
All those in favor, aye. 01:33:56
All right, so that was item 2. Item 3 is again a rezoning. In this case, it's parcel 121. 01:33:59
021B. 01:34:08
And this is. 01:34:10
From a planned development C2. 01:34:11
To an R5. 01:34:15
Any discussion? Are we ready for a motion on this item? 01:34:19
I'll make the motion. 01:34:24
Right. Do we have a second? 01:34:26
All right, all those in favor. 01:34:27
Aye, all right, that motion carries. 01:34:30
Item number 4 again is a rezoning. This is 121021 C and this is going from AC to. 01:34:33
Zoning to an R1 zoning. 01:34:42
Any discussion or do we have a motion on this item? 01:34:45
I'll make a motion to approve. 01:34:48
Right second. Second. 01:34:51
All those in favor, aye aye. 01:34:53
All right, and that leaves us then? 01:34:56
Our last rezoning on this item 5. 01:34:59
This is for parcel 134029 and this is going from an R. 01:35:02
Five to an R1. 01:35:08
Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion. 01:35:11
All right, second, second. All right. All those in favor. Aye, aye. 01:35:14
All right, So those were the rezoning items. And then lastly. 01:35:19
We have a request to approve the conceptual. 01:35:25
That was provided to us for this subdivision, which includes all of the. 01:35:29
Parcels totaling 162. 01:35:36
2 1/2 acres that we just have taken action on rezoning. 01:35:38
The proposal includes up to 325. 01:35:44
Residential lots. 01:35:48
Under the proposed R1 and then we have an R5. 01:35:50
Section of this. 01:35:54
Property, and again, this is an approval of the conceptual plan. 01:35:56
To allow them. 01:36:01
To move forward. 01:36:03
On this. 01:36:05
Do we have a motion on this item? 01:36:07
Move to approve. 01:36:11
All right, a second. 01:36:12
I'll second. 01:36:15
All right. 01:36:17
Can we please review conditions? Conditions of approach? Yep. 01:36:20
Would you like me to take a crack at that? 01:36:28
OK, a couple of things that we discussed. 01:36:33
Let's start with. 01:36:39
A traffic study. 01:36:42
A traffic study will be conducted. 01:36:44
Prior to the submission of the preliminary plat. 01:36:48
And. 01:36:55
Recording into the record. 01:36:56
Speaking to you and and writing. 01:36:59
That's a lot of things to do. 01:37:02
A letter of intent. 01:37:07
From Georgia dot for. 01:37:09
Discussions of a secondary axis. 01:37:13
Moving forward, all of the requirements of the preliminary plan will be put forward. 01:37:33
This entails. 01:37:38
A more detailed landscape plan. 01:37:41
I think it would behoove the applicant to. 01:37:43
Detail the buffer. 01:37:46
Between the sugar mill property and adjacent to. 01:37:48
The railway as well as the buffer along Saint Mary's Road. 01:37:52
Mr. White, you had mentioned the environmental assessment. 01:38:10
As well as the archaeological assessment. 01:38:15
If possible, I think that the results of that. 01:38:18
Could be shared with the Commission. 01:38:21
Staff. 01:38:35
Staff will working with the applicant. 01:38:40
Review the parking requirements. 01:38:43
And try to. 01:38:47
Perhaps find additional parking. 01:38:50
If. 01:38:53
The review should warrant that. 01:38:54
That would be part of your standard process, yes. 01:38:59
Well. 01:39:04
What I can divulge is that the development meets the parking standards. 01:39:07
I think the parking standards are where we have challenges. 01:39:11
So that will be a collaborative. 01:39:14
Discussion if room can be found. 01:39:17
Perhaps through? 01:39:20
Having some influence on the restrictions and covenants, we can discuss that. 01:39:24
The ownership of the roadways there's, I think there's a lot of opportunities there to. 01:39:30
Avoid what some of our. 01:39:36
Current developments are challenged by with. 01:39:38
On street parking. 01:39:41
I talked too much on that one so I kind of forgot what I said, but I'm just going to hungry. 01:39:44
What's the city analysis of thank you parking parking allocation for? 01:39:50
Solutions. 01:39:56
As is stated in the preliminary plat application. 01:40:07
Part of that is that you will. 01:40:11
Provide more detail on your. 01:40:13
Open space, Amenity. Recreation space. 01:40:17
OK. 01:40:20
Last thing that I'll suggest it is. 01:40:31
Mr. King. 01:40:35
Embedded. 01:40:36
The. 01:40:38
Meet with the school board. 01:40:39
About so I'd like to I'd like to go a little bit beyond the scope of this Commission and just let. 01:40:41
Community members know because this is not. 01:40:48
This is something that we hear at all of our schools. 01:40:52
And they're they're in the old subdivision ordinance there was. 01:40:56
As we discussed earlier in the meeting. 01:41:01
There was kind of this idea of a footpath. 01:41:03
Or some sort of walkway or connection for school aged children. 01:41:06
To the school. 01:41:11
We've seen that in the Cannon Forest development. We've seen it in the Davis. 01:41:13
St. Townhomes that we recently put through. 01:41:17
It is up to the school board, which is a county. 01:41:20
School board, right? That's not a municipal, it's county. 01:41:24
So they have their own set of operating practices. 01:41:27
It is up to the school board as to whether or not they want to entertain that connection. 01:41:30
As Mr. White said. 01:41:34
You would be open to us, you know, reaching out and sharing that. 01:41:36
And we're happy to do that and can have that as a. 01:41:40
Condition of approval. 01:41:43
But I do want to say that the school board is currently working with both the city of all cities, Kingsland, Woodbine and Saint 01:41:45
Mary's. 01:41:49
To discuss redistricting. 01:41:54
Of the school zones. 01:41:56
So it is not a given that the children who may be moving into this future development would go to Mary Lee Clark. 01:41:58
So I think if if that is something that. 01:42:06
Community members are very concerned about. 01:42:09
I encourage you to not just engage in our processes, but also in the school board's discussions. 01:42:14
OK. 01:42:24
Jamie, are you including a second entrance into your? 01:42:30
Suggestions. By default I think the traffic study and this letter of intent from Georgia dot for that secondary entrance. 01:42:33
Would yield some next steps there. 01:42:43
Yeah. 01:42:48
All right, so you were. 01:42:50
Did I get him special conditions? Have you completed that? 01:42:53
Oh yeah, I got one more. 01:42:59
I think. 01:43:02
Something that we've talked about. 01:43:04
In the new subdivision ordinance and that Mister King. 01:43:06
Alluded to and I'll bring your attention to this kind of. 01:43:09
Preliminary lot landscaping plan. 01:43:13
I'd also like the applicant to. 01:43:17
Create a bit of a lot key here at the preliminary plat. 01:43:20
Scale to show. 01:43:24
What is the front yard set back? What is the side yard set back? You know what kind of space? 01:43:26
Would be on the on the typical unit. So Mr. King, you'll get. 01:43:31
A better sense for. 01:43:36
The setbacks that come with the 50 foot. 01:43:40
White blood, and I believe that. 01:43:42
Wraps up. 01:43:46
Yes, OK. 01:43:55
So I believe we have a motion. 01:43:57
On the table, but we're seeking a second. 01:44:01
Before we paused to. 01:44:05
Define what the special conditions on that? So can we have a repeat on our? 01:44:08
Motion on this one. OK, I move to approve with staff requirements. 01:44:13
All right, do we have a second? 01:44:19
All right, all those in favor. 01:44:21
Aye, all right. 01:44:24
Thank you very much. 01:44:26
All right. So because we amended the agenda and removed the last two items, that covers the items on tonight's agenda. 01:44:29
Jamie, do we have any other discussion items or? 01:44:41
Things that need to be covered before we adjourn. No, just separate from the Planning Commission this Thursday, the city will be. 01:44:44
Hosting a. 01:44:53
A development progress report at 5:00 PM here in Council Chambers. 01:44:56
Where we'll be discussing the findings of the Midtown RSVP planning process that the. 01:45:01
University of Georgia. 01:45:09
Has completed. 01:45:10
And then at 6:00 PM, there will be a town hall. So feel free to come and. 01:45:11
And. 01:45:16
Communicate with the Council. 01:45:18
And also at the July 21st Council meeting. 01:45:20
I'll be leading a working session on blight. 01:45:25
And future approaches to blight in the city. 01:45:29
And that will be at 5:00 PM. 01:45:33
All right. So with that, do we have a motion to adjourn? 01:45:37
All right, do we have a second? 01:45:42
All those in favor. 01:45:44
Session stands adjourned. 01:45:46
Yeah, yeah. 01:45:55