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I tried to get her to move down. You're ready for us to go. 00:00:04
Microphones on. 00:00:08
Going to call to order. 00:00:13
The August Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:14
Our first item on the agenda is a approval of the minutes. 00:00:17
From the July meeting. 00:00:22
Do we have any edits or additions from the Commission members? 00:00:24
I'm not with my doctor. 00:00:29
No one object. 00:00:32
I second the motion. All right. 00:00:34
All those in favor, aye. All right, so we have approval of the minutes from. 00:00:35
Last month. 00:00:40
Our next? 00:00:42
Item is approval of the agenda and we do have a change to. 00:00:43
The agenda. 00:00:48
The proposal is that item number 2 which is going through a rezoning and overlay district. 00:00:50
Is being withdrawn. This is something that the city. 00:00:57
Had on the agenda and we. 00:01:00
Worked through in our working session and they're going to be bringing that back. 00:01:02
In September. 00:01:07
So we'll be dealing with that. 00:01:09
Other than that, any other items on the agenda that need adjustments? 00:01:12
Seeing none, do we have moved or we adopted? 00:01:17
All right, do we have a second? 00:01:20
I'll second. All right, all those in favor. 00:01:22
All right. So we have now approved the agenda and we we don't have any old business. 00:01:25
So we can move to our first new business item. 00:01:31
Which is a rezoning. 00:01:35
Do we have a representative for this project? 00:01:37
If you want to come forward. 00:01:40
There's any anything you want to tell us about the? 00:01:41
Project anything you want to add to that and then we'll have the city do their. 00:01:44
Presentation, sure. And for anyone giving testimony, if you'll start. 00:01:48
With giving your name and your address. 00:01:52
Jonathan Macdill. 00:01:55
493 Harbor View, Woodbine. 00:01:58
So cheeky. 00:02:00
Yeah, yeah. 00:02:03
Trying to back up. 00:02:06
Better. Yeah, There you go. 00:02:16
No, nothing to add. I mean any questions happy to answer. 00:02:19
This is a borrow pit. The Big Lake you see there is existing. 00:02:23
There's a small pocket of wetlands in the front. 00:02:28
Believe the. 00:02:30
Myself, I believe the existing zoning. 00:02:33
Is R1. 00:02:35
And the request is to go to our 5. 00:02:37
For the quad flex layout. 00:02:39
And and there would be, you know. 00:02:42
Amenities surrounding that. 00:02:46
That big bar of fits? Try to beautify that a little bit and make that a big feature. 00:02:48
On the property. 00:02:54
Umm, there's a small pond. It's it's. 00:02:55
That would be filled in. 00:02:58
It was kind of like an overflow. 00:03:01
Pond. 00:03:03
This used to be a lay down yard. 00:03:05
So there's some. 00:03:08
She's been some cleanup. I think that's been going on out there. 00:03:09
So yeah, any questions that you guys may have? 00:03:13
I'm happy to. 00:03:15
Trying to answer. 00:03:17
OK. I think what we'll do is go to the city's presentation and then we'll probably come up with some questions. 00:03:18
Stay nearby. 00:03:23
Could we? 00:03:31
Hey, Jamie, could you use the one that's down here? 00:03:34
Oh, I could. 00:03:36
No, I can't. Yeah. 00:03:38
Oh, never mind. 00:03:41
Sorry. 00:03:43
Let's let's make sure. 00:03:46
Good distance. 00:03:47
Can everybody hear me? 00:03:48
Not too much feedback. 00:03:49
OK, great. 00:03:51
Thank you. 00:03:52
This evening before you commissioners is a rezoning. 00:03:53
Brought forward by Mr. Gregory Disrael. 00:03:57
He requests a rezoning of tax parcel 135054. 00:04:00
From R1 which is single family dwelling district. 00:04:05
To R5. 00:04:09
Which is our town home. 00:04:10
Dwelling District. 00:04:12
The parcel is located just off of Douglas Drive, so. 00:04:14
I'm going to try. 00:04:18
Orient you off of our web map. 00:04:19
So we were just. 00:04:23
Talking about. 00:04:25
Douglas Drive. 00:04:27
Abuts the Commerce Park. 00:04:29
So as we continue a little bit further northwest. 00:04:31
From the Commerce Park. 00:04:35
Adjacent to the base, just a few parcels off. 00:04:37
This is the parcel that we're referring to. 00:04:42
And as Mr. Macdill pointed out. 00:04:45
This used to be. 00:04:49
Area where they were. 00:04:51
What did you call Jonathan? I don't know if it was a. 00:04:53
Borough Pit, OK where they would get Phil. 00:04:55
And now we have a proposal. 00:04:58
To before you is the rezoning proposal. This is really just kind of a concept to show you what. 00:05:00
Could be done there and and what? 00:05:08
Could look like. 00:05:10
And so. 00:05:12
Staff has reviewed this based on rezoning. 00:05:14
Criteria. 00:05:17
And staff recommends approval. 00:05:19
With a few conditions. 00:05:22
OK. 00:05:28
So. 00:05:29
One thing that we're doing in the. 00:05:30
One thing that we're doing in your staff memos now is. 00:05:33
Right up front we're showing you. 00:05:37
The proposed use. 00:05:40
The proposed uses townhomes. 00:05:41
The acreage of the overall site. 00:05:43
20 plus acres. 00:05:45
The proposed building lot with would be 16 feet. That's what we allow for. 00:05:47
Townhomes. The front yard set back is 25 feet. The side yard set back. 00:05:52
Would either be. 00:05:58
10 or if it's adjacent to a Rd. 00:05:59
25 feet. 00:06:01
Maximum percentage of lot coverage is 55%. 00:06:03
Maximum building height is 35 feet. 00:06:07
Minimum dwelling unit size is 800 feet. 00:06:10
In the rear yard set back. So really trying to detail for you. 00:06:12
What the dimensions of this allowed zoning would be? 00:06:16
This plan is actually as we see in your staff memo. 00:06:24
This proposal is in line. 00:06:28
With our comprehensive plan. 00:06:30
This part of the city has been identified in our future land use map. 00:06:33
As the South gate. 00:06:38
Residential portion of our land use. 00:06:39
So again, this is an area if we go back to. 00:06:43
The web app. 00:06:46
That is adjacent to the base, so you're sort of seeing. 00:06:47
The lower patrol Rd. up here sort of delineating. 00:06:51
The city of Saint Mary's versus the naval base. 00:06:55
If any of you are familiar with. 00:06:59
With Douglas as you drive towards the Commerce Park. 00:07:01
There is Rosewood Dr. 00:07:04
Which is. 00:07:07
How many feet? About 300 feet. 00:07:09
Away from what is. 00:07:12
Kind of an existing cut. 00:07:14
To this parcel here. 00:07:16
And then to. 00:07:18
Orient you with. 00:07:20
The kind of concept of what is being put forward. 00:07:21
Take that map. I just. 00:07:24
So do you and kind of rotate it? 00:07:26
A little bit. 00:07:28
Clockwise. 00:07:29
And here now is Douglas Drive. 00:07:30
Here's that road. 00:07:32
The existing Rd. 00:07:34
And here's the proposal. 00:07:35
So, umm. 00:07:37
Again, this is a move to rezone. 00:07:38
To a little bit higher density, so this would be from R1. 00:07:41
To R5 zoning. 00:07:45
This is just a rezoning proposal. 00:07:47
SO staff recommends approval with the following conditions. 00:07:50
The first is that future development of the site shall adhere to all our 5 or townhome drilling standards district. 00:07:57
With any needed subdivision actions that are to come before the Commission. 00:08:03
This project is also only being considered for resigning, so again this is. 00:08:08
Kind of a concept to look at, but this is not a conceptual platform. We're not at that stage of the subdivision ordinance. 00:08:12
One of the things that I did want to kind of discuss with Jonathan while he's here. 00:08:18
Is just. 00:08:24
There is either a discrepancy. 00:08:24
Perhaps on our? 00:08:27
Parcel map. 00:08:29
I think that we together with the applicant. 00:08:32
And the county can work this one out. 00:08:35
Our parcel layer, which we take from the county still shows that northern portion. 00:08:39
Above the. 00:08:45
To be part of the overall. 00:08:46
I think on the. 00:08:49
On the survey which we have. 00:08:52
The line seems to. 00:08:55
The property line seems to end. 00:08:57
Right at the pond. 00:09:01
So I think we. 00:09:02
Kind of talk about that. 00:09:03
And get get on the same page about how much land and. 00:09:05
If there was. 00:09:09
A split of that land if it wasn't recorded or if that's a. 00:09:10
Hiccup in the deed? 00:09:14
We'll just go ahead. 00:09:16
Yes, so. 00:09:21
When the survey was done. 00:09:22
After the fact. 00:09:24
They found that there is some, I forget what they called it. 00:09:25
But they found that they that was part of the parcel. 00:09:28
So I think you're. 00:09:31
I think your GIS. 00:09:32
Math is correct. 00:09:33
Great. We would need to amend the area. 00:09:35
OK. For the total? 00:09:39
Got it. 00:09:40
Great. Yeah. And I think here the surveyor does have a note that there's an apparent deed hiatus. 00:09:41
So I guess that must be the discrepancy. 00:09:47
So with that, I'm willing to kind of strike that last. What's right across the street, Jamie, from this? 00:09:50
On the other side of Douglas. 00:09:56
The outer side of Douglas is housing along Watts. 00:09:59
Looks like single family residential housing. 00:10:04
OK, but the houses don't face onto Douglas they. 00:10:07
No, you have to go back in. 00:10:10
So yeah, just for the Commission's clarity. 00:10:14
This portion of land. 00:10:17
Is the area that we were discussing there might be some? 00:10:20
Discrepancy there, but as Mr. 00:10:24
Mcdeal just identified. 00:10:26
This is a part of the parcel and that will be included in the rezoning. 00:10:29
OK. And do we have questions from Commission members? 00:10:36
All right, go ahead. This isn't really a question, but. 00:10:41
We're kind of getting the same corner on Douglas. 00:10:44
That were on Winding Rd. 00:10:47
And that we're going to have a massive amount of traffic on A2 Lane Road again, you know. 00:10:49
And which is not. 00:10:53
The builders problem it's a. 00:10:55
Really. The city? 00:10:57
As over the county, I'm not sure who's. 00:10:58
Responsibility. That would be but. 00:11:02
We're going to box ourselves into a corner again with another Rd. 00:11:04
What I can say to that is I think there's a joint. 00:11:12
Responsibility there amongst the city and the developer. 00:11:16
So as we did with. 00:11:20
Ryan Holmes. 00:11:23
You know we've required between a conceptual flat. 00:11:24
And a preliminary plat traffic study. 00:11:27
This is a pretty small amount of housing. 00:11:29
Our ordinance would allow you to. 00:11:33
To to suggest that if that's something that you wanted to look at. 00:11:36
Because it does piggyback into. We just talked in the working session. 00:11:40
In potential. 00:11:46
Sailors dormitory housing units, but then also. 00:11:49
As the Commerce Park is built out. 00:11:52
So I mean, we keep kind of building on this. I did have that kind of circled. 00:11:55
On this. 00:11:59
I guess the other question I had on the city's write up. 00:12:01
It says. 00:12:04
60 townhouses as a proposed. 00:12:05
Is that what has been proposed or is that what the Max is under this zoning? 00:12:08
For this site. 00:12:13
I believe that the now I have to. 00:12:15
The townhome dwelling district allows up to 16 units an acre, which is more density than you can typically fit on a site. 00:12:17
So in that zoning. 00:12:27
It's not so much about the allowable density as much as its. 00:12:28
What will fit the site? 00:12:32
So again, this is a concept. 00:12:34
As it moves forward, we may see less, we may see more. 00:12:37
You know, but I think it wouldn't be until the conceptual flag. 00:12:42
That we would be able to state that. 00:12:47
Because I was looking at. 00:12:49
Evaluation criteria This last item. 00:12:52
About uh. 00:12:54
You know, fitting with the Comprehensive Plan and the Master Plan. 00:12:55
Policies and and thinking about. 00:12:58
The transportation infrastructure as your note. 00:13:01
References on that. 00:13:04
It seems like an. 00:13:07
Issue that will have to be. 00:13:09
Addressed as part of. 00:13:10
After the zoning has been. 00:13:12
I'm done on this. 00:13:14
All right, no other questions. All right, at this point I'm then going to. 00:13:18
Open up to the public comment on this item. 00:13:22
If there's anyone that would like to give public comment on this, if you'll come forward, give your name and address. 00:13:26
And add your comments. 00:13:32
All right. I'm not seeing any movement, so I'm going to assume. 00:13:36
We do not have comments on this. 00:13:39
I'm then going to close the public comment. 00:13:41
Period on this. 00:13:44
Any further discussion or questions from Commission members? 00:13:46
Well, I've got a question. I'm doing the concern. 00:13:50
About filling that pond yet? 00:13:54
How's it going to be done? 00:13:57
And once they're gonna be if you're gonna build something on top of. 00:13:59
Of it. That's that's my concern. 00:14:02
I'd like to see some units built on. 00:14:07
And then it sink. 00:14:10
Sure, if you want to. 00:14:15
Comment on that. 00:14:17
The they'll have to do compaction testing. 00:14:20
You know, they're dewatering, I think that pawn. 00:14:24
To get. 00:14:26
Some stuff out. 00:14:27
That was in there like culverts and stuff. That was through the years got accumulated in there. 00:14:29
But yeah, they're going to have to do a good job. 00:14:35
Filling compaction. 00:14:38
Feeling compassion not do it in lifts. 00:14:39
They're going to have to definitely get. 00:14:41
Compaction testing done before they do. 00:14:43
Foundations. 00:14:45
But yeah, that'll that'll have to be part of their. 00:14:47
Their building process. 00:14:50
Sure. 00:14:51
All right. And with that, do we have a motion on this item? 00:14:54
Move to approve of the stipulations that Jamie mentioned. 00:14:59
All those in favor, aye. 00:15:04
All right, motion carries. 00:15:06
All right. And as we mentioned, item number 2 has been withdrawn. 00:15:09
So our third and final item on the agenda. 00:15:13
Is a subdivision request. 00:15:17
And since this is the city of. 00:15:20
Saint Mary's request, Jamie, I'm assuming you're. 00:15:22
Got the whole show on this one. 00:15:26
You got it. 00:15:28
Thank you. 00:15:29
OK, so before the Commission this evening is a minor subdivision. 00:15:30
The City of Saint Mary's requests a final plan. 00:15:35
For two lots totaling approximately. 00:15:38
60 acres the actual. 00:15:41
Total acreage is more 50 acres and I'll address that. 00:15:42
Of tax parcel 148031. 00:15:46
The common location is known as the Saint Mary's Commerce Park. 00:15:49
So for those of you that were able to join us for the work session. 00:15:53
There's a bunch of different moving parts here. 00:15:58
Try to walk through specifically what is before the Commission. 00:16:02
And that is the creation of Parcel 12A. 00:16:06
Which is approximately. 00:16:11
A 45 acre parcel. 00:16:13
Which constitutes the northern ring of the airport. So I'll try to take you through this survey so. 00:16:16
If you're traveling on the former. 00:16:23
East West runway on the new road which is Brick Hill Rd. 00:16:26
If you look. 00:16:31
North umm. 00:16:32
At the terminus of the Northern. 00:16:33
Former runway. 00:16:36
You'll see the start of a road called Builders Drive. 00:16:37
So if you extend. 00:16:41
Builders drive out or you go to the terminus of Builders Drive. 00:16:43
You'll see that that begins the start of. 00:16:47
Parcel 12A. So this darker kind of outline here. 00:16:50
Shows. 00:16:54
Power. 00:16:55
This parcel. 00:16:57
See if I can get my computer. 00:17:00
To behave. 00:17:02
OK, umm. 00:17:03
So parcel 12A. 00:17:04
Will run, sort of. 00:17:08
A long Douglas drive, but will not. 00:17:09
Join up to Douglas Drive. There will be a buffer. 00:17:12
That's a pretty treed buffer right now that will remain intact. 00:17:17
Then there is a significant utility easement at the northern rung of the. 00:17:23
Airport runway. 00:17:31
And I apologize for those of you that are spatial. 00:17:33
The left to right movement of this plant is going north. 00:17:36
So if that helps you Orient yourself. 00:17:41
A long point, Peter Rd. here. So what we're seeing and then we're seeing industrial drive, if you're familiar with this part. 00:17:46
Parcel 2B. 00:17:54
Will be the area in which that. 00:17:56
Northern portion of the Commerce Park. 00:17:58
Hits up up against the non Commerce park as well as Point Peter Rd. 00:18:01
And that will be 12. 00:18:06
So before the Commission this evening. 00:18:09
Is something that we've been doing for. 00:18:12
Her, you know, the past several years. 00:18:14
Which is. 00:18:18
Taking the overall Commerce Park, that former airport. 00:18:19
And creating pieces of real property through the final plant process. 00:18:23
And then? 00:18:27
Working with the Joint Development Authority. 00:18:28
To move them to another owner and create a future, use. 00:18:31
OK. Any questions about the? 00:18:36
The layout I know, Commissioner Hicks, you had a question about. 00:18:40
Where we would be drawing. 00:18:44
Ah, oh, come on. 00:18:47
The line here. 00:18:52
Forgive me, for whatever reason I can't get that part of the. 00:18:55
Map to. 00:18:59
This is. 00:19:04
Commercial part. 00:19:05
There we go. 00:19:11
Is there a resistance? 00:19:12
And Parcel 12B which is here. 00:19:14
Will be. 00:19:18
5.6 acres. 00:19:20
OK, Yeah. 00:19:23
OK, so let's talk about a potential future use. 00:19:25
And. 00:19:31
Withdrawn overlay application that we have. 00:19:32
On the agenda? 00:19:37
So as. 00:19:38
And James? 00:19:41
We're going to have a public comment period. 00:19:43
Following this, but for right now the city is making their presentation. 00:19:45
I had a question because my property is right. Well, we have a public. 00:19:51
We have a public comment period coming up. 00:19:56
Just a minute. So if you hold that. 00:19:58
Will bring you up and have you asked that question then? 00:20:00
OK, I promise. 00:20:04
OK. 00:20:06
Yeah, correct. Great. Thank you. So now we're looking at the site a little bit differently. 00:20:08
So as we do with many. 00:20:16
Rezonings, which is not being rezone now. There will be a proposal at the September 9th meeting. 00:20:20
And the division of land. 00:20:27
There is potential future use. 00:20:29
In which? 00:20:32
Brick Hill. 00:20:34
I'm sorry, builders drive. 00:20:36
Will be extended. 00:20:38
Through the. 00:20:39
Parcel 12A. Proposed. Parcel 12. 00:20:40
Through parcel 12B. 00:20:44
And we'll exit. 00:20:46
Out on to Point Peter Rd. 00:20:47
Let me show you. 00:20:50
What that looks like. 00:20:52
On our. 00:20:55
If any of you are looking for the zoning map, this is it. 00:20:59
And it lives. 00:21:04
On our website. 00:21:06
So if I were to take. 00:21:08
This utility easement here. 00:21:10
That kind of delineates. 00:21:13
12B. 00:21:15
That future parcel? 00:21:17
Which, uh. 00:21:18
We will propose at the next meeting to be rezoned to commercial. 00:21:19
OK, the desire is to have. 00:21:24
A future. 00:21:29
Commercial use. 00:21:31
That is accessible off of Point Peter Rd. 00:21:32
And would enable. 00:21:37
A convenience store or a place to eat or something like that. 00:21:41
For the use that. 00:21:45
Is proposed. 00:21:47
For 12A. 00:21:49
So here is the purple. 00:21:51
Proposal for the 12. 00:21:53
Now, as we discussed in the. 00:21:55
Work session. 00:21:59
Earlier, uh. 00:22:01
And as will come before the Planning Commission at the September meeting. 00:22:02
We have an opportunity. 00:22:07
To work in conjunction with. 00:22:09
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:22:12
To create. 00:22:14
Off base housing for approximately 990. 00:22:15
Unaccompanied tailors. 00:22:19
So this is a. 00:22:21
Highly secured. 00:22:24
Gated. Private. 00:22:26
Development of. 00:22:29
Military dormitory. 00:22:31
Housing. 00:22:33
And so right now, what the Commission is viewing. 00:22:34
Is to. 00:22:39
Create. 00:22:41
The real property of Parcel 12A, which is roughly 45 acres. 00:22:42
And parcel 12B. 00:22:48
Which is roughly 5 acres. 00:22:50
What will be before you? 00:22:52
At the September meeting. 00:22:55
Is a proposed rezoning. 00:22:57
That would facilitate. 00:22:59
This military housing. 00:23:01
Any questions for Jamie before we? 00:23:06
Open this app No. 00:23:09
All right. All right. So now we're going to open up the public comment period if you want to come forward. 00:23:11
And if you'll give your name and address and then ask your question. 00:23:17
My name is Darlene C Roach. I live at 2390 Douglas Dr. St. Marys, GA. I've been here since 2004. 00:23:26
The partial. 00:23:34
OF12B is the only part I'm concerned about. Is right behind my house. 00:23:35
And it is landlocked in that area. That's one of the reasons nothing has ever been done with it. And it's. 00:23:40
Why it's been such a beautiful sanctuary for the. 00:23:45
Three of us that live in that little tiny corner. 00:23:48
So what my concern is what are the plans for 12 B because I don't hear anything saying. 00:23:52
What you wanted to put there? 00:23:58
So it will have. The future proposal is that it will have C2. 00:24:00
Zoning. 00:24:06
Could be. 00:24:08
Offices could be. 00:24:09
Commercial retail establishments it could be. A restaurant, it could be. 00:24:12
Subway. Any of those. 00:24:17
Permitted uses. 00:24:21
Would be allowed. 00:24:22
From what we have heard from the potential purchaser of that property. 00:24:24
Is that they would like. 00:24:29
A Subway or a Chipotle or something like that for. 00:24:30
The sailors to have portion behind my house. 00:24:34
Is not. 00:24:38
Deep as this is right here. 00:24:40
OK, so you can see the other piece of property. 00:24:42
OK, because it's right at the very end of that point. Let's let's take a look at this. 00:24:44
Final plat. I think that might help. Sorry, wrong one. 00:24:50
That might help a little bit. 00:24:55
Unfortunately, because right now I have a very peaceful backyard. Sure. 00:24:58
Sure, Uh. 00:25:02
Let's look at this just a little bit here. 00:25:02
So I think Miss Roach, your property is here. 00:25:05
So this is Douglas. 00:25:09
Here's the only two houses on that end, and one on the very far corner. There's. 00:25:11
A double empty lot between me and the corner. 00:25:16
OK. 00:25:19
I think I'm 2390. 00:25:21
I think I've got. 00:25:23
Sorry, my computer is just. 00:25:25
Frozen on me. 00:25:27
If you pop it up, I can show you, yeah. 00:25:32
It'll get there. There you go. 00:25:34
Are you up here? 00:25:40
Practice by just a little bit. 00:25:42
Across. 00:25:44
Douglas Drive. 00:25:45
No, I'm on this side. 00:25:46
So. 00:25:47
Closer to point, Peter. 00:25:48
If you come down this way a little bit. 00:25:51
OK. 00:25:53
I'm in the corner just before the last part there. 00:25:57
OK, maybe I can see it here. I'm sorry I'm having some trouble. 00:26:01
So the address is. 00:26:09
23902390 So right here. 00:26:11
OK. 00:26:15
Good job, Jenny. 00:26:18
Yeah, OK, great. 00:26:19
So just to. 00:26:21
Kind of help you understand. 00:26:22
Directly behind 2390. 00:26:25
That is not a. 00:26:28
Parcel that is under consideration. 00:26:30
OK. 00:26:33
OK, good. 00:26:34
All right, do we have other public comment on this item? 00:26:36
If you want to come forward. 00:26:39
Give your name and address. 00:26:41
My name is Larry Clark. 00:26:46
And work with specialty adhesives. 00:26:48
And we're 117 industrial Drive. 00:26:50
In the park. 00:26:53
We're manufacturing. 00:26:55
And I question. 00:26:57
Residential coming. 00:26:58
You know, right next to. 00:27:00
Industrial Park. 00:27:02
Like this, we run a plan. 00:27:04
You're on 2 shifts. 00:27:06
Forklift going at night, trucks coming in and out. 00:27:08
There's noise, there's lights. 00:27:11
Just trying to avoid complaints. 00:27:14
So yeah, just. 00:27:17
If we're going residential now, you said military. 00:27:19
Barracks. Probably less. 00:27:22
Issues from that and. 00:27:23
Homeowners, but. 00:27:25
We've been there since. 00:27:28
2001. 00:27:29
So I mean, how is that going to be addressed? 00:27:31
You know, are we grandfathered in? We're not going to get hit with. 00:27:35
Sound barriers and you know, all the other things that come in as people come in. 00:27:38
What are we looking at? 00:27:43
Sure. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to to address some of that. So one of the things that the. 00:27:46
Conceptual design that we have before us, if you'll turn your attention to the screen. 00:27:52
I'm not sure exactly which parcel you are here. 00:27:57
OK, I'll find that on the map too. 00:28:02
Let's go here. 00:28:05
I'm not quite sure. I think you're right around here somewhere. 00:28:10
Yep, Yep. 00:28:14
So. 00:28:16
The drainage system and a significant. 00:28:18
Buffer will be between the housing the proposed housing. 00:28:21
And the rear of the lots along industrial drive. 00:28:25
But umm. 00:28:29
Even more important than that. 00:28:29
Is that what is before the Commission? 00:28:32
Next month in which I would like to get your contact information and talk to you about it. I've spoken to Champion, I've spoken to 00:28:35
Alloy Crane. 00:28:39
What we're creating. 00:28:44
Isn't an overlay district. 00:28:45
That would allow. 00:28:48
Military. 00:28:49
Dormitory housing. 00:28:51
In conjunction with the naval base. 00:28:52
But we're keeping the underlying light industrial zoning. 00:28:54
So in fact, what we're doing is. 00:28:59
Trying to. 00:29:02
Preserve that. 00:29:03
Space of manufacturing industry productivity. The commerce Park. 00:29:05
But yet. 00:29:10
Facilitate this opportunity for this off base housing which? 00:29:11
Potentially in future, the goal is to open the South gate. 00:29:16
So we're really thinking that. 00:29:20
This could be. 00:29:22
Transformative. 00:29:23
For the property owners that are there. 00:29:25
Along industrial drive, so I'd be happy to share that overlay with you. 00:29:28
What that overlay does is it. 00:29:32
Keeps all of the existing. 00:29:33
Light industrial uses. 00:29:36
It adds general industrial uses. 00:29:38
And it adds a couple of things, like dormitory style housing. 00:29:40
But also. 00:29:44
Some of the other uses in there are. 00:29:46
Recreational fitness areas, Places of assembly. 00:29:49
Houses of worship, I mean. There's other uses in there. 00:29:53
Along industrial drive, I'm sure you know this. 00:29:56
That are kind of. 00:29:59
You know, a little bit. 00:30:00
So, so yes, so you know. 00:30:03
I think our intent with this overlay was to. 00:30:06
To specifically address. 00:30:10
Your concern? 00:30:13
If we had made a move to rezone this to let's say our three. 00:30:14
You know, high density residential. 00:30:19
Then yes. 00:30:21
I'm from the northeast where industrial zoning is gold. 00:30:22
And you don't mess with it because you never get it back. 00:30:25
So we totally understand where you're coming from. 00:30:28
We're hoping that this overlay district really helps. 00:30:30
Keep that underlying integrity of the light industrial zoning. 00:30:34
And the Commission will. 00:30:38
Render a decision on that next. 00:30:40
Month, so in September. 00:30:43
So you'll get a letter, you'll get the material, we can talk about it. But yeah, this is not the goal here is to not. 00:30:44
Force out. 00:30:52
Any of our industrial businesses it's to add to your. 00:30:54
Uses to your property, so. 00:30:59
Hopefully. 00:31:00
Increasing the value of your property, but also to facilitate. 00:31:01
This development. 00:31:05
That you mentioned the bottle. 00:31:07
Are you proposing? 00:31:09
I don't really know yet. We got to get into it. I mean, what they're proposing here is a drainage system. 00:31:11
You know, basically it looks like some ponds that would. 00:31:15
Line the property. 00:31:19
You know, we can talk with them about. 00:31:22
You know, landscaping in the parking lot, We can talk about the existing trees there and how we keep them. 00:31:24
I know that. 00:31:30
Mr. Macmillan up there at. 00:31:32
An alloy crane has some. 00:31:34
Drainage investment that he needs to do on his property. 00:31:36
And this development will help facilitate maybe doing that. 00:31:39
Jointly. 00:31:43
Because of, you know, we, we basically have maxed out. 00:31:44
You know. 00:31:48
As far as the amount of concrete report, anything like that we have. 00:31:50
Our own retention. 00:31:53
So what's going to be done right? 00:31:55
Yep, absolutely. Yeah, that's not. 00:31:58
Something that. 00:32:00
We would allow so there'll be a civil. 00:32:01
Engineering and a look at hydrology and drainage and stormwater so. 00:32:04
You know, that's something that. 00:32:08
You know, I think definitely the the. 00:32:11
The parcels that are on the. 00:32:12
Western side of industrial drive will want to engage in that conversation so. 00:32:15
If we decide to move forward with this. 00:32:20
Splitting of the lots if we decide to move forward with the overlay district to facilitate this development. 00:32:22
Then the, you know, putting pen to paper and coming up with the civil. 00:32:28
So I guess I'll show my ignorance here. 00:32:34
The rezoning. 00:32:36
Is it different or? 00:32:38
Housing development, yeah. So what we're. 00:32:41
What we're allowing is. 00:32:44
Is there needs to be a? 00:32:46
With the naval base. 00:32:51
So this is not speculative dormitory style housing. 00:32:54
This. 00:32:57
For market condominium style housing, that's not what we're allowing. 00:32:58
We're allowing. 00:33:02
A third party private entity which is a. 00:33:04
They're called the Military Housing Authority. 00:33:07
Who is going to enter into? 00:33:09
A contractual agreement with the city as well as the naval base. 00:33:11
To provide this off base housing. 00:33:15
So that's the. 00:33:18
You know that's where the line is drawn. 00:33:19
There are other uses in there that. 00:33:21
I think I'll share the document with you. You should. 00:33:24
Sit down with your colleagues and read it and bring us your thoughts. 00:33:27
And that will be decided upon in September. 00:33:30
OK. And I think you could count on the Planning Commission probably asking. 00:33:33
Questions similar to you about the the buffer between. 00:33:37
Any housing, dormitory units and industrial uses would be part of our thing going down that path before. I really don't wanna do 00:33:42
it right. Yeah, yeah. 00:33:46
We hear you. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. 00:33:51
Do we have any other public comment on this item? 00:33:54
OK, maybe. 00:33:59
Good evening. I'm Kelly McMillan with Alloy Crane. 00:34:06
I think I might need is lot 10. 00:34:09
Only. 00:34:12
Not real sure. I think we'll call you these three tax parcels up here. 00:34:14
I'm on the very end. 00:34:18
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. 00:34:19
Like Jamie has said, we've already started discussions about some drainage issues I have. 00:34:23
We've gotten some engineering done on that. 00:34:27
And then this came up. 00:34:30
So we put all that on hold to see how this proceeds. 00:34:32
Obviously what I'd like to be able to do is. 00:34:35
My drainage and whatever they do because it's all. 00:34:38
Sweetwater Branch. 00:34:41
You know the back end of that property is the drainage. 00:34:43
If you've ever been down there. 00:34:47
That's what it does. It all goes to Sweetwater branch. 00:34:49
How they're going to fill that in and make that road somebody a lot smarter than me, but. 00:34:52
We don't have a problem with it, we just want to. 00:34:56
We do have a drainage issue and that's got to be addressed. 00:34:59
Obviously they're going to have a drainage issue and have to retain it. 00:35:02
I just would like that. 00:35:05
Be involved in that and tie into that system somehow. 00:35:07
To facilitate what we've got going on. 00:35:10
Three lots we have. 00:35:13
Thank you. 00:35:15
Great. Thank you. 00:35:16
Anyone else for? 00:35:20
Providing public comment on this item. 00:35:22
All right. With that, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment. 00:35:26
Period. On that, do we have other questions from Commission members? 00:35:30
I'll make a motion. 00:35:34
Mr. Chairman, I need to. 00:35:37
Provide some disclosure, I'll be recusing myself. 00:35:39
From a vote on this as. 00:35:42
I have an ownership interest in an adjacent property. 00:35:44
All right, great. 00:35:46
So I think. 00:35:48
We make an emotion. 00:35:49
Approve it. 00:35:51
With the staff's recommendations. 00:35:52
All right, do we have a second? 00:35:57
A second. 00:35:58
All right, all those in favor. 00:35:59
Aye, all right. 00:36:01
Passes with one recusal. 00:36:04
Jamie, anything else for discussion or item you want to cover before we? 00:36:08
Adjourn. 00:36:13
That'll do it. We'll just bring that we have a very big meeting in September. 00:36:15
So can't wait. Come well fed and hydrated, yeah? 00:36:20
All right. And with that I need a, do we have a motion to adjourn our meeting move to close. All right, do we have a second? 00:36:25
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:36:32
That concludes our meeting. Thank you. 00:36:36
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Event transcript
I tried to get her to move down. You're ready for us to go. 00:00:04
Microphones on. 00:00:08
Going to call to order. 00:00:13
The August Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:14
Our first item on the agenda is a approval of the minutes. 00:00:17
From the July meeting. 00:00:22
Do we have any edits or additions from the Commission members? 00:00:24
I'm not with my doctor. 00:00:29
No one object. 00:00:32
I second the motion. All right. 00:00:34
All those in favor, aye. All right, so we have approval of the minutes from. 00:00:35
Last month. 00:00:40
Our next? 00:00:42
Item is approval of the agenda and we do have a change to. 00:00:43
The agenda. 00:00:48
The proposal is that item number 2 which is going through a rezoning and overlay district. 00:00:50
Is being withdrawn. This is something that the city. 00:00:57
Had on the agenda and we. 00:01:00
Worked through in our working session and they're going to be bringing that back. 00:01:02
In September. 00:01:07
So we'll be dealing with that. 00:01:09
Other than that, any other items on the agenda that need adjustments? 00:01:12
Seeing none, do we have moved or we adopted? 00:01:17
All right, do we have a second? 00:01:20
I'll second. All right, all those in favor. 00:01:22
All right. So we have now approved the agenda and we we don't have any old business. 00:01:25
So we can move to our first new business item. 00:01:31
Which is a rezoning. 00:01:35
Do we have a representative for this project? 00:01:37
If you want to come forward. 00:01:40
There's any anything you want to tell us about the? 00:01:41
Project anything you want to add to that and then we'll have the city do their. 00:01:44
Presentation, sure. And for anyone giving testimony, if you'll start. 00:01:48
With giving your name and your address. 00:01:52
Jonathan Macdill. 00:01:55
493 Harbor View, Woodbine. 00:01:58
So cheeky. 00:02:00
Yeah, yeah. 00:02:03
Trying to back up. 00:02:06
Better. Yeah, There you go. 00:02:16
No, nothing to add. I mean any questions happy to answer. 00:02:19
This is a borrow pit. The Big Lake you see there is existing. 00:02:23
There's a small pocket of wetlands in the front. 00:02:28
Believe the. 00:02:30
Myself, I believe the existing zoning. 00:02:33
Is R1. 00:02:35
And the request is to go to our 5. 00:02:37
For the quad flex layout. 00:02:39
And and there would be, you know. 00:02:42
Amenities surrounding that. 00:02:46
That big bar of fits? Try to beautify that a little bit and make that a big feature. 00:02:48
On the property. 00:02:54
Umm, there's a small pond. It's it's. 00:02:55
That would be filled in. 00:02:58
It was kind of like an overflow. 00:03:01
Pond. 00:03:03
This used to be a lay down yard. 00:03:05
So there's some. 00:03:08
She's been some cleanup. I think that's been going on out there. 00:03:09
So yeah, any questions that you guys may have? 00:03:13
I'm happy to. 00:03:15
Trying to answer. 00:03:17
OK. I think what we'll do is go to the city's presentation and then we'll probably come up with some questions. 00:03:18
Stay nearby. 00:03:23
Could we? 00:03:31
Hey, Jamie, could you use the one that's down here? 00:03:34
Oh, I could. 00:03:36
No, I can't. Yeah. 00:03:38
Oh, never mind. 00:03:41
Sorry. 00:03:43
Let's let's make sure. 00:03:46
Good distance. 00:03:47
Can everybody hear me? 00:03:48
Not too much feedback. 00:03:49
OK, great. 00:03:51
Thank you. 00:03:52
This evening before you commissioners is a rezoning. 00:03:53
Brought forward by Mr. Gregory Disrael. 00:03:57
He requests a rezoning of tax parcel 135054. 00:04:00
From R1 which is single family dwelling district. 00:04:05
To R5. 00:04:09
Which is our town home. 00:04:10
Dwelling District. 00:04:12
The parcel is located just off of Douglas Drive, so. 00:04:14
I'm going to try. 00:04:18
Orient you off of our web map. 00:04:19
So we were just. 00:04:23
Talking about. 00:04:25
Douglas Drive. 00:04:27
Abuts the Commerce Park. 00:04:29
So as we continue a little bit further northwest. 00:04:31
From the Commerce Park. 00:04:35
Adjacent to the base, just a few parcels off. 00:04:37
This is the parcel that we're referring to. 00:04:42
And as Mr. Macdill pointed out. 00:04:45
This used to be. 00:04:49
Area where they were. 00:04:51
What did you call Jonathan? I don't know if it was a. 00:04:53
Borough Pit, OK where they would get Phil. 00:04:55
And now we have a proposal. 00:04:58
To before you is the rezoning proposal. This is really just kind of a concept to show you what. 00:05:00
Could be done there and and what? 00:05:08
Could look like. 00:05:10
And so. 00:05:12
Staff has reviewed this based on rezoning. 00:05:14
Criteria. 00:05:17
And staff recommends approval. 00:05:19
With a few conditions. 00:05:22
OK. 00:05:28
So. 00:05:29
One thing that we're doing in the. 00:05:30
One thing that we're doing in your staff memos now is. 00:05:33
Right up front we're showing you. 00:05:37
The proposed use. 00:05:40
The proposed uses townhomes. 00:05:41
The acreage of the overall site. 00:05:43
20 plus acres. 00:05:45
The proposed building lot with would be 16 feet. That's what we allow for. 00:05:47
Townhomes. The front yard set back is 25 feet. The side yard set back. 00:05:52
Would either be. 00:05:58
10 or if it's adjacent to a Rd. 00:05:59
25 feet. 00:06:01
Maximum percentage of lot coverage is 55%. 00:06:03
Maximum building height is 35 feet. 00:06:07
Minimum dwelling unit size is 800 feet. 00:06:10
In the rear yard set back. So really trying to detail for you. 00:06:12
What the dimensions of this allowed zoning would be? 00:06:16
This plan is actually as we see in your staff memo. 00:06:24
This proposal is in line. 00:06:28
With our comprehensive plan. 00:06:30
This part of the city has been identified in our future land use map. 00:06:33
As the South gate. 00:06:38
Residential portion of our land use. 00:06:39
So again, this is an area if we go back to. 00:06:43
The web app. 00:06:46
That is adjacent to the base, so you're sort of seeing. 00:06:47
The lower patrol Rd. up here sort of delineating. 00:06:51
The city of Saint Mary's versus the naval base. 00:06:55
If any of you are familiar with. 00:06:59
With Douglas as you drive towards the Commerce Park. 00:07:01
There is Rosewood Dr. 00:07:04
Which is. 00:07:07
How many feet? About 300 feet. 00:07:09
Away from what is. 00:07:12
Kind of an existing cut. 00:07:14
To this parcel here. 00:07:16
And then to. 00:07:18
Orient you with. 00:07:20
The kind of concept of what is being put forward. 00:07:21
Take that map. I just. 00:07:24
So do you and kind of rotate it? 00:07:26
A little bit. 00:07:28
Clockwise. 00:07:29
And here now is Douglas Drive. 00:07:30
Here's that road. 00:07:32
The existing Rd. 00:07:34
And here's the proposal. 00:07:35
So, umm. 00:07:37
Again, this is a move to rezone. 00:07:38
To a little bit higher density, so this would be from R1. 00:07:41
To R5 zoning. 00:07:45
This is just a rezoning proposal. 00:07:47
SO staff recommends approval with the following conditions. 00:07:50
The first is that future development of the site shall adhere to all our 5 or townhome drilling standards district. 00:07:57
With any needed subdivision actions that are to come before the Commission. 00:08:03
This project is also only being considered for resigning, so again this is. 00:08:08
Kind of a concept to look at, but this is not a conceptual platform. We're not at that stage of the subdivision ordinance. 00:08:12
One of the things that I did want to kind of discuss with Jonathan while he's here. 00:08:18
Is just. 00:08:24
There is either a discrepancy. 00:08:24
Perhaps on our? 00:08:27
Parcel map. 00:08:29
I think that we together with the applicant. 00:08:32
And the county can work this one out. 00:08:35
Our parcel layer, which we take from the county still shows that northern portion. 00:08:39
Above the. 00:08:45
To be part of the overall. 00:08:46
I think on the. 00:08:49
On the survey which we have. 00:08:52
The line seems to. 00:08:55
The property line seems to end. 00:08:57
Right at the pond. 00:09:01
So I think we. 00:09:02
Kind of talk about that. 00:09:03
And get get on the same page about how much land and. 00:09:05
If there was. 00:09:09
A split of that land if it wasn't recorded or if that's a. 00:09:10
Hiccup in the deed? 00:09:14
We'll just go ahead. 00:09:16
Yes, so. 00:09:21
When the survey was done. 00:09:22
After the fact. 00:09:24
They found that there is some, I forget what they called it. 00:09:25
But they found that they that was part of the parcel. 00:09:28
So I think you're. 00:09:31
I think your GIS. 00:09:32
Math is correct. 00:09:33
Great. We would need to amend the area. 00:09:35
OK. For the total? 00:09:39
Got it. 00:09:40
Great. Yeah. And I think here the surveyor does have a note that there's an apparent deed hiatus. 00:09:41
So I guess that must be the discrepancy. 00:09:47
So with that, I'm willing to kind of strike that last. What's right across the street, Jamie, from this? 00:09:50
On the other side of Douglas. 00:09:56
The outer side of Douglas is housing along Watts. 00:09:59
Looks like single family residential housing. 00:10:04
OK, but the houses don't face onto Douglas they. 00:10:07
No, you have to go back in. 00:10:10
So yeah, just for the Commission's clarity. 00:10:14
This portion of land. 00:10:17
Is the area that we were discussing there might be some? 00:10:20
Discrepancy there, but as Mr. 00:10:24
Mcdeal just identified. 00:10:26
This is a part of the parcel and that will be included in the rezoning. 00:10:29
OK. And do we have questions from Commission members? 00:10:36
All right, go ahead. This isn't really a question, but. 00:10:41
We're kind of getting the same corner on Douglas. 00:10:44
That were on Winding Rd. 00:10:47
And that we're going to have a massive amount of traffic on A2 Lane Road again, you know. 00:10:49
And which is not. 00:10:53
The builders problem it's a. 00:10:55
Really. The city? 00:10:57
As over the county, I'm not sure who's. 00:10:58
Responsibility. That would be but. 00:11:02
We're going to box ourselves into a corner again with another Rd. 00:11:04
What I can say to that is I think there's a joint. 00:11:12
Responsibility there amongst the city and the developer. 00:11:16
So as we did with. 00:11:20
Ryan Holmes. 00:11:23
You know we've required between a conceptual flat. 00:11:24
And a preliminary plat traffic study. 00:11:27
This is a pretty small amount of housing. 00:11:29
Our ordinance would allow you to. 00:11:33
To to suggest that if that's something that you wanted to look at. 00:11:36
Because it does piggyback into. We just talked in the working session. 00:11:40
In potential. 00:11:46
Sailors dormitory housing units, but then also. 00:11:49
As the Commerce Park is built out. 00:11:52
So I mean, we keep kind of building on this. I did have that kind of circled. 00:11:55
On this. 00:11:59
I guess the other question I had on the city's write up. 00:12:01
It says. 00:12:04
60 townhouses as a proposed. 00:12:05
Is that what has been proposed or is that what the Max is under this zoning? 00:12:08
For this site. 00:12:13
I believe that the now I have to. 00:12:15
The townhome dwelling district allows up to 16 units an acre, which is more density than you can typically fit on a site. 00:12:17
So in that zoning. 00:12:27
It's not so much about the allowable density as much as its. 00:12:28
What will fit the site? 00:12:32
So again, this is a concept. 00:12:34
As it moves forward, we may see less, we may see more. 00:12:37
You know, but I think it wouldn't be until the conceptual flag. 00:12:42
That we would be able to state that. 00:12:47
Because I was looking at. 00:12:49
Evaluation criteria This last item. 00:12:52
About uh. 00:12:54
You know, fitting with the Comprehensive Plan and the Master Plan. 00:12:55
Policies and and thinking about. 00:12:58
The transportation infrastructure as your note. 00:13:01
References on that. 00:13:04
It seems like an. 00:13:07
Issue that will have to be. 00:13:09
Addressed as part of. 00:13:10
After the zoning has been. 00:13:12
I'm done on this. 00:13:14
All right, no other questions. All right, at this point I'm then going to. 00:13:18
Open up to the public comment on this item. 00:13:22
If there's anyone that would like to give public comment on this, if you'll come forward, give your name and address. 00:13:26
And add your comments. 00:13:32
All right. I'm not seeing any movement, so I'm going to assume. 00:13:36
We do not have comments on this. 00:13:39
I'm then going to close the public comment. 00:13:41
Period on this. 00:13:44
Any further discussion or questions from Commission members? 00:13:46
Well, I've got a question. I'm doing the concern. 00:13:50
About filling that pond yet? 00:13:54
How's it going to be done? 00:13:57
And once they're gonna be if you're gonna build something on top of. 00:13:59
Of it. That's that's my concern. 00:14:02
I'd like to see some units built on. 00:14:07
And then it sink. 00:14:10
Sure, if you want to. 00:14:15
Comment on that. 00:14:17
The they'll have to do compaction testing. 00:14:20
You know, they're dewatering, I think that pawn. 00:14:24
To get. 00:14:26
Some stuff out. 00:14:27
That was in there like culverts and stuff. That was through the years got accumulated in there. 00:14:29
But yeah, they're going to have to do a good job. 00:14:35
Filling compaction. 00:14:38
Feeling compassion not do it in lifts. 00:14:39
They're going to have to definitely get. 00:14:41
Compaction testing done before they do. 00:14:43
Foundations. 00:14:45
But yeah, that'll that'll have to be part of their. 00:14:47
Their building process. 00:14:50
Sure. 00:14:51
All right. And with that, do we have a motion on this item? 00:14:54
Move to approve of the stipulations that Jamie mentioned. 00:14:59
All those in favor, aye. 00:15:04
All right, motion carries. 00:15:06
All right. And as we mentioned, item number 2 has been withdrawn. 00:15:09
So our third and final item on the agenda. 00:15:13
Is a subdivision request. 00:15:17
And since this is the city of. 00:15:20
Saint Mary's request, Jamie, I'm assuming you're. 00:15:22
Got the whole show on this one. 00:15:26
You got it. 00:15:28
Thank you. 00:15:29
OK, so before the Commission this evening is a minor subdivision. 00:15:30
The City of Saint Mary's requests a final plan. 00:15:35
For two lots totaling approximately. 00:15:38
60 acres the actual. 00:15:41
Total acreage is more 50 acres and I'll address that. 00:15:42
Of tax parcel 148031. 00:15:46
The common location is known as the Saint Mary's Commerce Park. 00:15:49
So for those of you that were able to join us for the work session. 00:15:53
There's a bunch of different moving parts here. 00:15:58
Try to walk through specifically what is before the Commission. 00:16:02
And that is the creation of Parcel 12A. 00:16:06
Which is approximately. 00:16:11
A 45 acre parcel. 00:16:13
Which constitutes the northern ring of the airport. So I'll try to take you through this survey so. 00:16:16
If you're traveling on the former. 00:16:23
East West runway on the new road which is Brick Hill Rd. 00:16:26
If you look. 00:16:31
North umm. 00:16:32
At the terminus of the Northern. 00:16:33
Former runway. 00:16:36
You'll see the start of a road called Builders Drive. 00:16:37
So if you extend. 00:16:41
Builders drive out or you go to the terminus of Builders Drive. 00:16:43
You'll see that that begins the start of. 00:16:47
Parcel 12A. So this darker kind of outline here. 00:16:50
Shows. 00:16:54
Power. 00:16:55
This parcel. 00:16:57
See if I can get my computer. 00:17:00
To behave. 00:17:02
OK, umm. 00:17:03
So parcel 12A. 00:17:04
Will run, sort of. 00:17:08
A long Douglas drive, but will not. 00:17:09
Join up to Douglas Drive. There will be a buffer. 00:17:12
That's a pretty treed buffer right now that will remain intact. 00:17:17
Then there is a significant utility easement at the northern rung of the. 00:17:23
Airport runway. 00:17:31
And I apologize for those of you that are spatial. 00:17:33
The left to right movement of this plant is going north. 00:17:36
So if that helps you Orient yourself. 00:17:41
A long point, Peter Rd. here. So what we're seeing and then we're seeing industrial drive, if you're familiar with this part. 00:17:46
Parcel 2B. 00:17:54
Will be the area in which that. 00:17:56
Northern portion of the Commerce Park. 00:17:58
Hits up up against the non Commerce park as well as Point Peter Rd. 00:18:01
And that will be 12. 00:18:06
So before the Commission this evening. 00:18:09
Is something that we've been doing for. 00:18:12
Her, you know, the past several years. 00:18:14
Which is. 00:18:18
Taking the overall Commerce Park, that former airport. 00:18:19
And creating pieces of real property through the final plant process. 00:18:23
And then? 00:18:27
Working with the Joint Development Authority. 00:18:28
To move them to another owner and create a future, use. 00:18:31
OK. Any questions about the? 00:18:36
The layout I know, Commissioner Hicks, you had a question about. 00:18:40
Where we would be drawing. 00:18:44
Ah, oh, come on. 00:18:47
The line here. 00:18:52
Forgive me, for whatever reason I can't get that part of the. 00:18:55
Map to. 00:18:59
This is. 00:19:04
Commercial part. 00:19:05
There we go. 00:19:11
Is there a resistance? 00:19:12
And Parcel 12B which is here. 00:19:14
Will be. 00:19:18
5.6 acres. 00:19:20
OK, Yeah. 00:19:23
OK, so let's talk about a potential future use. 00:19:25
And. 00:19:31
Withdrawn overlay application that we have. 00:19:32
On the agenda? 00:19:37
So as. 00:19:38
And James? 00:19:41
We're going to have a public comment period. 00:19:43
Following this, but for right now the city is making their presentation. 00:19:45
I had a question because my property is right. Well, we have a public. 00:19:51
We have a public comment period coming up. 00:19:56
Just a minute. So if you hold that. 00:19:58
Will bring you up and have you asked that question then? 00:20:00
OK, I promise. 00:20:04
OK. 00:20:06
Yeah, correct. Great. Thank you. So now we're looking at the site a little bit differently. 00:20:08
So as we do with many. 00:20:16
Rezonings, which is not being rezone now. There will be a proposal at the September 9th meeting. 00:20:20
And the division of land. 00:20:27
There is potential future use. 00:20:29
In which? 00:20:32
Brick Hill. 00:20:34
I'm sorry, builders drive. 00:20:36
Will be extended. 00:20:38
Through the. 00:20:39
Parcel 12A. Proposed. Parcel 12. 00:20:40
Through parcel 12B. 00:20:44
And we'll exit. 00:20:46
Out on to Point Peter Rd. 00:20:47
Let me show you. 00:20:50
What that looks like. 00:20:52
On our. 00:20:55
If any of you are looking for the zoning map, this is it. 00:20:59
And it lives. 00:21:04
On our website. 00:21:06
So if I were to take. 00:21:08
This utility easement here. 00:21:10
That kind of delineates. 00:21:13
12B. 00:21:15
That future parcel? 00:21:17
Which, uh. 00:21:18
We will propose at the next meeting to be rezoned to commercial. 00:21:19
OK, the desire is to have. 00:21:24
A future. 00:21:29
Commercial use. 00:21:31
That is accessible off of Point Peter Rd. 00:21:32
And would enable. 00:21:37
A convenience store or a place to eat or something like that. 00:21:41
For the use that. 00:21:45
Is proposed. 00:21:47
For 12A. 00:21:49
So here is the purple. 00:21:51
Proposal for the 12. 00:21:53
Now, as we discussed in the. 00:21:55
Work session. 00:21:59
Earlier, uh. 00:22:01
And as will come before the Planning Commission at the September meeting. 00:22:02
We have an opportunity. 00:22:07
To work in conjunction with. 00:22:09
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:22:12
To create. 00:22:14
Off base housing for approximately 990. 00:22:15
Unaccompanied tailors. 00:22:19
So this is a. 00:22:21
Highly secured. 00:22:24
Gated. Private. 00:22:26
Development of. 00:22:29
Military dormitory. 00:22:31
Housing. 00:22:33
And so right now, what the Commission is viewing. 00:22:34
Is to. 00:22:39
Create. 00:22:41
The real property of Parcel 12A, which is roughly 45 acres. 00:22:42
And parcel 12B. 00:22:48
Which is roughly 5 acres. 00:22:50
What will be before you? 00:22:52
At the September meeting. 00:22:55
Is a proposed rezoning. 00:22:57
That would facilitate. 00:22:59
This military housing. 00:23:01
Any questions for Jamie before we? 00:23:06
Open this app No. 00:23:09
All right. All right. So now we're going to open up the public comment period if you want to come forward. 00:23:11
And if you'll give your name and address and then ask your question. 00:23:17
My name is Darlene C Roach. I live at 2390 Douglas Dr. St. Marys, GA. I've been here since 2004. 00:23:26
The partial. 00:23:34
OF12B is the only part I'm concerned about. Is right behind my house. 00:23:35
And it is landlocked in that area. That's one of the reasons nothing has ever been done with it. And it's. 00:23:40
Why it's been such a beautiful sanctuary for the. 00:23:45
Three of us that live in that little tiny corner. 00:23:48
So what my concern is what are the plans for 12 B because I don't hear anything saying. 00:23:52
What you wanted to put there? 00:23:58
So it will have. The future proposal is that it will have C2. 00:24:00
Zoning. 00:24:06
Could be. 00:24:08
Offices could be. 00:24:09
Commercial retail establishments it could be. A restaurant, it could be. 00:24:12
Subway. Any of those. 00:24:17
Permitted uses. 00:24:21
Would be allowed. 00:24:22
From what we have heard from the potential purchaser of that property. 00:24:24
Is that they would like. 00:24:29
A Subway or a Chipotle or something like that for. 00:24:30
The sailors to have portion behind my house. 00:24:34
Is not. 00:24:38
Deep as this is right here. 00:24:40
OK, so you can see the other piece of property. 00:24:42
OK, because it's right at the very end of that point. Let's let's take a look at this. 00:24:44
Final plat. I think that might help. Sorry, wrong one. 00:24:50
That might help a little bit. 00:24:55
Unfortunately, because right now I have a very peaceful backyard. Sure. 00:24:58
Sure, Uh. 00:25:02
Let's look at this just a little bit here. 00:25:02
So I think Miss Roach, your property is here. 00:25:05
So this is Douglas. 00:25:09
Here's the only two houses on that end, and one on the very far corner. There's. 00:25:11
A double empty lot between me and the corner. 00:25:16
OK. 00:25:19
I think I'm 2390. 00:25:21
I think I've got. 00:25:23
Sorry, my computer is just. 00:25:25
Frozen on me. 00:25:27
If you pop it up, I can show you, yeah. 00:25:32
It'll get there. There you go. 00:25:34
Are you up here? 00:25:40
Practice by just a little bit. 00:25:42
Across. 00:25:44
Douglas Drive. 00:25:45
No, I'm on this side. 00:25:46
So. 00:25:47
Closer to point, Peter. 00:25:48
If you come down this way a little bit. 00:25:51
OK. 00:25:53
I'm in the corner just before the last part there. 00:25:57
OK, maybe I can see it here. I'm sorry I'm having some trouble. 00:26:01
So the address is. 00:26:09
23902390 So right here. 00:26:11
OK. 00:26:15
Good job, Jenny. 00:26:18
Yeah, OK, great. 00:26:19
So just to. 00:26:21
Kind of help you understand. 00:26:22
Directly behind 2390. 00:26:25
That is not a. 00:26:28
Parcel that is under consideration. 00:26:30
OK. 00:26:33
OK, good. 00:26:34
All right, do we have other public comment on this item? 00:26:36
If you want to come forward. 00:26:39
Give your name and address. 00:26:41
My name is Larry Clark. 00:26:46
And work with specialty adhesives. 00:26:48
And we're 117 industrial Drive. 00:26:50
In the park. 00:26:53
We're manufacturing. 00:26:55
And I question. 00:26:57
Residential coming. 00:26:58
You know, right next to. 00:27:00
Industrial Park. 00:27:02
Like this, we run a plan. 00:27:04
You're on 2 shifts. 00:27:06
Forklift going at night, trucks coming in and out. 00:27:08
There's noise, there's lights. 00:27:11
Just trying to avoid complaints. 00:27:14
So yeah, just. 00:27:17
If we're going residential now, you said military. 00:27:19
Barracks. Probably less. 00:27:22
Issues from that and. 00:27:23
Homeowners, but. 00:27:25
We've been there since. 00:27:28
2001. 00:27:29
So I mean, how is that going to be addressed? 00:27:31
You know, are we grandfathered in? We're not going to get hit with. 00:27:35
Sound barriers and you know, all the other things that come in as people come in. 00:27:38
What are we looking at? 00:27:43
Sure. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to to address some of that. So one of the things that the. 00:27:46
Conceptual design that we have before us, if you'll turn your attention to the screen. 00:27:52
I'm not sure exactly which parcel you are here. 00:27:57
OK, I'll find that on the map too. 00:28:02
Let's go here. 00:28:05
I'm not quite sure. I think you're right around here somewhere. 00:28:10
Yep, Yep. 00:28:14
So. 00:28:16
The drainage system and a significant. 00:28:18
Buffer will be between the housing the proposed housing. 00:28:21
And the rear of the lots along industrial drive. 00:28:25
But umm. 00:28:29
Even more important than that. 00:28:29
Is that what is before the Commission? 00:28:32
Next month in which I would like to get your contact information and talk to you about it. I've spoken to Champion, I've spoken to 00:28:35
Alloy Crane. 00:28:39
What we're creating. 00:28:44
Isn't an overlay district. 00:28:45
That would allow. 00:28:48
Military. 00:28:49
Dormitory housing. 00:28:51
In conjunction with the naval base. 00:28:52
But we're keeping the underlying light industrial zoning. 00:28:54
So in fact, what we're doing is. 00:28:59
Trying to. 00:29:02
Preserve that. 00:29:03
Space of manufacturing industry productivity. The commerce Park. 00:29:05
But yet. 00:29:10
Facilitate this opportunity for this off base housing which? 00:29:11
Potentially in future, the goal is to open the South gate. 00:29:16
So we're really thinking that. 00:29:20
This could be. 00:29:22
Transformative. 00:29:23
For the property owners that are there. 00:29:25
Along industrial drive, so I'd be happy to share that overlay with you. 00:29:28
What that overlay does is it. 00:29:32
Keeps all of the existing. 00:29:33
Light industrial uses. 00:29:36
It adds general industrial uses. 00:29:38
And it adds a couple of things, like dormitory style housing. 00:29:40
But also. 00:29:44
Some of the other uses in there are. 00:29:46
Recreational fitness areas, Places of assembly. 00:29:49
Houses of worship, I mean. There's other uses in there. 00:29:53
Along industrial drive, I'm sure you know this. 00:29:56
That are kind of. 00:29:59
You know, a little bit. 00:30:00
So, so yes, so you know. 00:30:03
I think our intent with this overlay was to. 00:30:06
To specifically address. 00:30:10
Your concern? 00:30:13
If we had made a move to rezone this to let's say our three. 00:30:14
You know, high density residential. 00:30:19
Then yes. 00:30:21
I'm from the northeast where industrial zoning is gold. 00:30:22
And you don't mess with it because you never get it back. 00:30:25
So we totally understand where you're coming from. 00:30:28
We're hoping that this overlay district really helps. 00:30:30
Keep that underlying integrity of the light industrial zoning. 00:30:34
And the Commission will. 00:30:38
Render a decision on that next. 00:30:40
Month, so in September. 00:30:43
So you'll get a letter, you'll get the material, we can talk about it. But yeah, this is not the goal here is to not. 00:30:44
Force out. 00:30:52
Any of our industrial businesses it's to add to your. 00:30:54
Uses to your property, so. 00:30:59
Hopefully. 00:31:00
Increasing the value of your property, but also to facilitate. 00:31:01
This development. 00:31:05
That you mentioned the bottle. 00:31:07
Are you proposing? 00:31:09
I don't really know yet. We got to get into it. I mean, what they're proposing here is a drainage system. 00:31:11
You know, basically it looks like some ponds that would. 00:31:15
Line the property. 00:31:19
You know, we can talk with them about. 00:31:22
You know, landscaping in the parking lot, We can talk about the existing trees there and how we keep them. 00:31:24
I know that. 00:31:30
Mr. Macmillan up there at. 00:31:32
An alloy crane has some. 00:31:34
Drainage investment that he needs to do on his property. 00:31:36
And this development will help facilitate maybe doing that. 00:31:39
Jointly. 00:31:43
Because of, you know, we, we basically have maxed out. 00:31:44
You know. 00:31:48
As far as the amount of concrete report, anything like that we have. 00:31:50
Our own retention. 00:31:53
So what's going to be done right? 00:31:55
Yep, absolutely. Yeah, that's not. 00:31:58
Something that. 00:32:00
We would allow so there'll be a civil. 00:32:01
Engineering and a look at hydrology and drainage and stormwater so. 00:32:04
You know, that's something that. 00:32:08
You know, I think definitely the the. 00:32:11
The parcels that are on the. 00:32:12
Western side of industrial drive will want to engage in that conversation so. 00:32:15
If we decide to move forward with this. 00:32:20
Splitting of the lots if we decide to move forward with the overlay district to facilitate this development. 00:32:22
Then the, you know, putting pen to paper and coming up with the civil. 00:32:28
So I guess I'll show my ignorance here. 00:32:34
The rezoning. 00:32:36
Is it different or? 00:32:38
Housing development, yeah. So what we're. 00:32:41
What we're allowing is. 00:32:44
Is there needs to be a? 00:32:46
With the naval base. 00:32:51
So this is not speculative dormitory style housing. 00:32:54
This. 00:32:57
For market condominium style housing, that's not what we're allowing. 00:32:58
We're allowing. 00:33:02
A third party private entity which is a. 00:33:04
They're called the Military Housing Authority. 00:33:07
Who is going to enter into? 00:33:09
A contractual agreement with the city as well as the naval base. 00:33:11
To provide this off base housing. 00:33:15
So that's the. 00:33:18
You know that's where the line is drawn. 00:33:19
There are other uses in there that. 00:33:21
I think I'll share the document with you. You should. 00:33:24
Sit down with your colleagues and read it and bring us your thoughts. 00:33:27
And that will be decided upon in September. 00:33:30
OK. And I think you could count on the Planning Commission probably asking. 00:33:33
Questions similar to you about the the buffer between. 00:33:37
Any housing, dormitory units and industrial uses would be part of our thing going down that path before. I really don't wanna do 00:33:42
it right. Yeah, yeah. 00:33:46
We hear you. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. 00:33:51
Do we have any other public comment on this item? 00:33:54
OK, maybe. 00:33:59
Good evening. I'm Kelly McMillan with Alloy Crane. 00:34:06
I think I might need is lot 10. 00:34:09
Only. 00:34:12
Not real sure. I think we'll call you these three tax parcels up here. 00:34:14
I'm on the very end. 00:34:18
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. 00:34:19
Like Jamie has said, we've already started discussions about some drainage issues I have. 00:34:23
We've gotten some engineering done on that. 00:34:27
And then this came up. 00:34:30
So we put all that on hold to see how this proceeds. 00:34:32
Obviously what I'd like to be able to do is. 00:34:35
My drainage and whatever they do because it's all. 00:34:38
Sweetwater Branch. 00:34:41
You know the back end of that property is the drainage. 00:34:43
If you've ever been down there. 00:34:47
That's what it does. It all goes to Sweetwater branch. 00:34:49
How they're going to fill that in and make that road somebody a lot smarter than me, but. 00:34:52
We don't have a problem with it, we just want to. 00:34:56
We do have a drainage issue and that's got to be addressed. 00:34:59
Obviously they're going to have a drainage issue and have to retain it. 00:35:02
I just would like that. 00:35:05
Be involved in that and tie into that system somehow. 00:35:07
To facilitate what we've got going on. 00:35:10
Three lots we have. 00:35:13
Thank you. 00:35:15
Great. Thank you. 00:35:16
Anyone else for? 00:35:20
Providing public comment on this item. 00:35:22
All right. With that, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment. 00:35:26
Period. On that, do we have other questions from Commission members? 00:35:30
I'll make a motion. 00:35:34
Mr. Chairman, I need to. 00:35:37
Provide some disclosure, I'll be recusing myself. 00:35:39
From a vote on this as. 00:35:42
I have an ownership interest in an adjacent property. 00:35:44
All right, great. 00:35:46
So I think. 00:35:48
We make an emotion. 00:35:49
Approve it. 00:35:51
With the staff's recommendations. 00:35:52
All right, do we have a second? 00:35:57
A second. 00:35:58
All right, all those in favor. 00:35:59
Aye, all right. 00:36:01
Passes with one recusal. 00:36:04
Jamie, anything else for discussion or item you want to cover before we? 00:36:08
Adjourn. 00:36:13
That'll do it. We'll just bring that we have a very big meeting in September. 00:36:15
So can't wait. Come well fed and hydrated, yeah? 00:36:20
All right. And with that I need a, do we have a motion to adjourn our meeting move to close. All right, do we have a second? 00:36:25
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:36:32
That concludes our meeting. Thank you. 00:36:36