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Right, everybody's microphone's working. 00:00:02
Mine included. 00:00:07
Ready 530. All right. 00:00:24
Going to call to to order the November meeting of the Saint Mary's Planning Commission. 00:00:27
Our first order of business is going to be then approval of the minutes. 00:00:32
From last month's meeting. 00:00:37
Do we have any edits or additions to the? 00:00:39
Minutes. 00:00:43
I make a motion. We approve the minutes. 00:00:44
2nd a second. All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:00:47
All right, meaning minutes have been approved. 00:00:50
Next on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. 00:00:54
And we do have a change to the. 00:00:58
Agenda. 00:01:01
Under Old Business under item number 2. 00:01:03
Which is a rezoning request. 00:01:07
A request for a continuance has been filed on this. 00:01:09
And so item 2 will be delayed until next month's. 00:01:13
Meeting. 00:01:17
Are there any other edits or changes to the agenda? 00:01:18
If not, do we have a motion to approve the agenda as well? All right. Second. 00:01:23
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:01:28
All right. With our approved agenda, we can start with our first item of old business. 00:01:30
Which is a reverse subdivision. 00:01:37
Do we have a representative for this? 00:01:40
Project. Yes. 00:01:43
If you want to come forward, if you. 00:01:45
You're not required, but if you want to add any information, this is your chance. 00:01:47
No other information. 00:01:52
OK. 00:01:54
Then I'm going to turn things over to Jamie if you want to walk through the cities. 00:01:55
Presentation on this. 00:01:59
Great. Thank you very much to Commissioners. And for the record, we'll note. 00:02:01
There are. 00:02:05
4 of you present today. 00:02:06
Yes, OK. 00:02:08
Um, so this is a reverse subdivision, a little bit of a unique one we did. 00:02:10
With our subdivision ordinance rewrite, we did allow for. 00:02:16
Sorry. 00:02:23
We did allow for reverse subdivisions that were just two lots with the same zoning to be done administratively. 00:02:24
This one is slightly unique, forgive me, I don't know why. 00:02:31
My computer is over here. 00:02:35
But we'll do it on the on the Parcel map here. 00:02:37
If you can see it. 00:02:39
So here is 118 Chelsea Place. 00:02:40
In the past, there was development zoning here for R3, so you see kind of these clustered cottages. 00:02:43
Mr. and Mrs. Gutowski are owners of the. 00:02:52
Parcels which are adjacent. 00:02:55
To 118. 00:02:58
And this is an action. 00:03:00
Merge them all. 00:03:03
Into. Let's see if I can get this to. 00:03:04
There we go. That's better. 00:03:07
Take all of those parcels and merge them back into one. 00:03:11
OK, so we did ask that this be put through the Commission, because it is not. 00:03:15
One parcel? It's actually a total of 12345 parcels, 6 being merged back into one. 00:03:20
That is the application before you. 00:03:27
Staff has reviewed this and we recommend approval. 00:03:30
With the condition that any future development would meet. 00:03:35
There are three zoning standards. 00:03:38
And would be would meet the building restriction lines as shown on the final. 00:03:40
Great. Do we have any questions from the Commission members before we open up public comment? 00:03:45
All right. I think we'll go ahead and open up public comment on this item. 00:03:53
If you wish to comment on this item, if you'll come forward, give your name and your address. 00:03:56
I do. 00:04:02
OK. 00:04:04
Good evening. 00:04:11
My name is Reuben. 00:04:13
Gomez. 00:04:14
I live in Kingsland. 00:04:16
Two or three West. 00:04:18
Beach Ave. 00:04:22
Do I need this microphone? 00:04:24
It's my voice, so so. 00:04:26
So faint. 00:04:28
To push the button on, it'll go up. 00:04:29
Can you are we recording right now? 00:04:31
I don't I don't have a problem with that. 00:04:35
Thank you, Mr. Thank you. 00:04:39
203 W Peach Ave. in Kingsland. 00:04:44
Do you want my phone number too? 00:04:48
No, all right. 00:04:49
So I have three items I wanted to mention to you. 00:04:52
They might not be. 00:04:55
Strongly relevant, but to be. 00:04:57
Things for you to consider. 00:05:00
I have been. 00:05:03
Working in this case for a long time. 00:05:04
Longer life. 00:05:07
And we thought and. 00:05:08
Now we apply the. 00:05:13
To power, power. 00:05:15
So I. 00:05:18
This public. 00:05:20
This comment is on item number one, which is the reverse subdivision. 00:05:21
So it's not concerning yours. 00:05:28
EUR will be the next one up. Well, actually we've moved it from the agenda to next month, so. 00:05:30
That's right, your rezoning. 00:05:37
Won't be part of this meeting. It would be part of next month's meeting. 00:05:38
Well, regardless of that. 00:05:43
I wanted to mention three items that might be relevant to you. 00:05:45
When you make a decision so. 00:05:49
I think we need to do that separately from this is the public comment on this particular agenda item. 00:05:52
Yeah. So why don't we have you defer for a minute? Let's handle that. 00:05:58
This specific agenda item and then give you that opportunity. 00:06:04
That work for you? 00:06:08
All right, OK. 00:06:09
Thank you. 00:06:10
All right. So do we have any public comment on item number one? 00:06:10
Which is the reverse subdivision. 00:06:16
All right. I'm not seeing anyone that wants to give public comments. So with that I'm going to close. 00:06:21
The public comment on item number one. 00:06:26
Do we have any further discussion from Commission members? 00:06:29
Or are we ready for a motion on this item? 00:06:33
I have one item I'd like to mention. 00:06:37
I've noticed from the survey. 00:06:40
That they're from the next structure on Lot 4. 00:06:42
There is a. 00:06:46
Entry, walk and sidewalk in three parking spaces that encroach upon. 00:06:49
One of the parcels involved in this. 00:06:54
Reverse subdivision. 00:06:56
And I don't know that the status of that changes. 00:06:58
One way or another, before and after a reverse subdivision. 00:07:03
But I would want to make it clear that the action of the committee. 00:07:06
Would neither. 00:07:09
Confirm or restrict the rights of. 00:07:10
The owner of slot 4. 00:07:13
You know what I'm saying to that parcel we're ruling on. 00:07:15
MSFT. 00:07:20
I don't see it right here so. 00:07:36
There's another structure right here. 00:07:41
So here's a. 00:07:43
Here's a. 00:07:44
Go to the structure. 00:07:48
And is that through recorded easement? 00:07:53
Do we? That's an encroachment on that, on these two lots that are being. 00:07:55
Spartan Subdivision. So if it was recorded easement wouldn't it stay in? 00:08:00
Place I would think, but I don't know. There's a recorded easement, but I don't know it. 00:08:04
Does it show? I would. I would think it may not. Our decision here may not impact that one another. 00:08:08
But in case that it did, I don't. 00:08:14
I think the. 00:08:16
Yeah. I mean, I think the important piece here is that. 00:08:17
And we see this in some of our other. 00:08:21
Multifamily developments, so a portion of the. 00:08:23
Where you can see in the shading where the. 00:08:28
Car is so a portion of the roadway. 00:08:30
Or the parking space. 00:08:34
Seem appears to be on the parcel and you see that. 00:08:36
In the survey and the shaded Gray area. So I think what? 00:08:39
Commissioner Hicks is saying is that. 00:08:42
By merging these lots together. 00:08:45
We are in no way conveying that that now becomes. 00:08:49
Private parking. 00:08:53
I think is that what you're saying? 00:08:55
Are you comfortable with that? Do you want to? 00:08:57
OK. 00:09:00
And then the. 00:09:02
Walkway which seems to allow access of those. 00:09:03
Parking spaces. 00:09:07
To the. 00:09:10
The residence that is on. 00:09:12
Lot 4. 00:09:14
Would would not be obstructed by the merge of the. 00:09:16
Parcels. 00:09:20
OK. 00:09:24
Want. 00:09:25
I guess part of our. 00:09:28
Motion to. 00:09:30
Have a comment added to that or. 00:09:31
Perhaps I just don't. 00:09:35
I don't know. 00:09:37
The legality of what our action, how our action may impact that, but I don't think. 00:09:38
We're prepared to make a judgment call on those. 00:09:44
Easement, right, right. Whether there's an easement or not, or it's just a. 00:09:47
Illegal encroachment. 00:09:50
You know I would. I would want our action to suggest that whatever conditions existed prior to this reverse subdivision. 00:09:53
Exists afterwards. 00:10:01
I think that's fine to state and we can capture it in the minutes. 00:10:04
I mean, you're not. We're not really making a change there. We're just changing. 00:10:07
Sort of the merge of the parcels and it. 00:10:11
Seems like if you look at the. 00:10:13
If you look at the shape of each of the parcels, it's. 00:10:16
It's actually hard to see on. 00:10:20
On the map. 00:10:21
But uh. 00:10:22
If you look at the way that each lot. 00:10:23
Kind of has. 00:10:26
A certain width to it. 00:10:27
Deeper into the lot, but then. 00:10:29
Kind of. 00:10:31
Dog legs or dog arms, whatever. 00:10:31
To the to the parking. 00:10:34
To enable that. 00:10:36
Parking there. 00:10:37
So, umm. 00:10:38
I think maybe 1. 00:10:41
Question would be. 00:10:42
For me would be that if someone else is parked. 00:10:47
If there is a vehicle. 00:10:50
That lives in this community, that is parked in that area. 00:10:51
This the city wouldn't be. 00:10:56
Involved in. 00:10:58
Authorizing or. 00:10:59
You know, enforcing that in any way. 00:11:02
And we can just capture that in the minutes. I'd rather that we don't. 00:11:07
Make any. 00:11:10
Render. 00:11:11
Decision on that. 00:11:12
All right. 00:11:13
Oh, go ahead, Ukraine. 00:11:16
I make a motion, we approve it. 00:11:17
All right. Do we have a second I second? 00:11:20
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:11:22
All right. Item number one under old business has been approved. 00:11:24
Jamie, I'm going to seek advisement from you on how to handle. 00:11:28
Public comment on an item that's not on the agenda. 00:11:33
I mean, we could. 00:11:38
Yeah, I mean that and and offer that to be submitted. 00:11:39
For as part of our next meetings. 00:11:44
Packet uh. 00:11:46
I mean my. 00:11:49
Preferred course of action would be that since there was a request to continue. 00:11:51
The applications that it is not heard this evening. 00:11:56
But is heard. 00:11:59
At the next meeting. 00:12:01
That we don't discuss it. 00:12:02
If you you know if you would really like to have a discussion, then we can add it to the discussion section. 00:12:03
But the the hearing for this item, for this rezoning. 00:12:11
There was a request to continue it and not discuss it. 00:12:16
This evening. 00:12:19
OK, that would be my. 00:12:21
Let's proceed in that manner so. 00:12:24
For right now, we're not going to move into that and we're going to proceed. 00:12:26
Into new business. 00:12:30
And we have a special use permit. 00:12:32
From Mr. Tudor, do we have a representative from this project? 00:12:35
If you want to give your come to the podium, give your name and address and then anything you want to. 00:12:39
Tell us about. 00:12:44
Your proposed project. 00:12:45
Yes Sir, my name is Nicholas Tudor. I live at 14 Fox Path, St. Mary's currently. 00:12:47
I have no comments but I'm open to any questions. 00:12:52
Regarding the special use permit. 00:12:55
All right. Thank you. 00:12:57
Jamie, I'm going to turn things back to you. 00:12:59
Great. Thank you. So what's before you this evening is a special use permit. Mr. Nicholas Tudor requests a special use permit to 00:13:03
establish. 00:13:07
A residential use on tax parcel 135048. 00:13:11
The proposed residence would serve as a caretaker's dwelling. 00:13:17
In conjunction with a commercial facility. 00:13:21
To be known as Woodlands Pet Retreat. 00:13:23
The parcel is zoned C2. 00:13:27
So if you'll remember when we did the. 00:13:29
C2 zoning rewrite. That zoning district rewrite. 00:13:33
We enabled. 00:13:36
Residential or dwelling as part of the zoning with a special use permit. 00:13:40
So in the past we did it with those cottages in front of. 00:13:45
Adjacent to the Shadow Lawn community. 00:13:50
In which a special use permit was filed to be able to do solely residential. 00:13:53
This is a mix. 00:13:57
So Mr. Tudor is? 00:13:59
Going through the steps of. 00:14:02
Creating a. 00:14:05
Pet boarding facilities, sort of a pet daycare, a pet retreat. 00:14:07
That use. 00:14:12
Is allowed as of. 00:14:14
In our C2 zoning district. 00:14:16
So the special use permit application is solely for. 00:14:19
The caretakers willing. 00:14:24
However, I would like Mr. Tudor. 00:14:26
To kind of walk us through, you know, we, we do have another pet boarding facility. 00:14:29
In the city in which we have received. 00:14:36
Complaints. 00:14:39
From the neighbors. 00:14:40
The parcel that that one is on is not at all as big as this one. 00:14:42
But I think that we could discuss. 00:14:47
Where the kenneling may may happen, maybe have. 00:14:51
If you haven't fully designed it out yet, maybe we could. 00:14:54
You know, have some discussion. 00:14:57
We also did receive. 00:14:59
A letter. 00:15:02
In opposition to this proposal. 00:15:03
With the concern that. 00:15:07
A caretakers residence would mean 24 hours of. 00:15:09
You know, dogs potentially being outside. 00:15:13
So if you could speak to that, but. 00:15:16
What is before the Commission this evening is a special use permit. 00:15:19
In order to permit a dwelling A caretaker's dwelling. 00:15:24
On a commercial establishment. 00:15:28
Ivana. 00:15:32
All right. 00:15:35
I'm sorry, That was a lot. So could we break it down? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So why don't you? 00:15:37
Why don't we look at SO, for example, on the site plan what we're seeing here? 00:15:41
Is this is a? 00:15:45
Seven acre 7.8 acre site. 00:15:49
Does that sound about right? It's a very large sign. 00:15:52
Yes, ma'am. OK, let me also now look at. 00:15:55
The cities. 00:15:58
Web map. 00:16:00
It doesn't explode on me. 00:16:01
Let's look at some of the surrounding uses here. 00:16:03
So for those of you that aren't familiar with this location. 00:16:07
This is right behind the. 00:16:10
Middle school. 00:16:14
On Davis St. 00:16:15
It's coming into view now, so. 00:16:17
The middle school you're seeing here? 00:16:20
These are those buildings. 00:16:23
This location right here. If you remember the Davis St. townhomes, we recently had a preliminary plat. 00:16:25
And a rezoning to create a townhome community there. 00:16:32
North of that is the Cumberland Oaks community, also residential. 00:16:36
Here is the parcel which Mr. Tudor. 00:16:41
Is working on. There is currently a building there. 00:16:45
And as you can see in the. 00:16:48
Site plan. 00:16:51
The proposal. 00:16:52
Is to place that caretaker's unit. 00:16:54
In what I would call more the northern. 00:16:56
Kind of region of the. 00:16:59
Of the parcel. 00:17:01
And it seemed like from the. 00:17:03
Comments because I think there were a couple of them on this. 00:17:04
The concern didn't seem to necessarily be about. 00:17:08
Whether there was a residential. 00:17:11
You know unit there but. 00:17:14
It was about. 00:17:16
Noise issues. 00:17:17
And concern about that, so maybe. 00:17:19
You can comment about how you see this. 00:17:21
Being handled that might. 00:17:24
You know, handle some of those concerns. 00:17:27
Yes, Sir. So First off, with the property, it is already sort of isolated good 100 feet from the houses across street. 00:17:30
There is a middle school over there. 00:17:38
I don't think they're gonna complain about noise. 00:17:40
Currently, I've walked the property with Bill Gross. 00:17:42
There is already soundproofing in the ceiling of the building and we intend to use the original building. 00:17:46
Currently umm. 00:17:52
For the boarding purposes. 00:17:53
And to answer the second question about the comment. 00:17:56
So. 00:17:59
We're putting the residential caretaker home there so there is 24 hour care just in case of emergencies. 00:18:00
That does not mean. 00:18:05
I'm going to be letting dogs out at midnight. 00:18:06
To cause a ruckus, you know there will be downtime, but it is solely there so that there is. 00:18:09
Somebody always on property to take care of. 00:18:14
Animals of an emergency or an accident happens. 00:18:17
There is able to have a quick response. 00:18:20
We do not intend to let dogs out laid out at night to cause a loud disturbance. 00:18:22
And if you look at the property on the map our. 00:18:27
Potty area where dogs will be let out to play is currently behind the building, so that's even further away. 00:18:32
From the residential houses across street. 00:18:37
OK. 00:18:42
Thank you. 00:18:44
Before we go to public comment, are there questions from Commission members on this? 00:18:45
Yeah, I got OK. 00:18:50
On here you got it and. 00:18:53
Right now it's one lock. 00:18:55
I don't hear you got a lot more than lot 2. 00:18:59
And it separates lot 1 and lot 2. 00:19:02
Is drainage easement. 00:19:06
What? Why are you separating the two? 00:19:11
That is the original survey. That is how I'm buying the property. 00:19:15
Not separating the lots. 00:19:20
At all. 00:19:21
That's R, yeah. That's the old survey. Yeah, I see that. 00:19:27
Yeah. 00:19:31
Other questions. Wiley. 00:19:35
That's it. OK where is the house going to be? 00:19:36
Am I looking at? 00:19:41
On the coming off of Davis St. 00:19:43
The fence or the fenced off area? 00:19:47
Leads back to the current building, does it not? 00:19:50
Oh yes Sir. So if you move the pointer a little bit to your left there. 00:19:54
Over there, that's right where the caretaker's house would be, near the front gate, it is. 00:19:58
Fully fenced in just so we could also. 00:20:02
Monitor. 00:20:04
Egress and ingress from the property if anybody were trying to. 00:20:05
Come in late at night. 00:20:09
We are able to monitor that and see that how far is that away from the main building. 00:20:11
It's hard to. I don't see any building. That's why I'd say at least roughly 50 to 75 feet. There is a large parking lot. 00:20:15
Already on the premises. 00:20:22
OK. Any other questions? 00:20:24
Now personally I was trying to figure out. 00:20:29
If you had someone on premises. 00:20:32
And there was an issue with dogs barking. 00:20:33
That would be a good thing because he'd go probably, or he or she'd. 00:20:36
Probably go try to figure out what's wrong. 00:20:40
And we we don't want to. 00:20:42
Bad relationship with our neighbors, so if it is a problem, we will soundproof the facility. 00:20:45
To correct that. 00:20:50
Yeah, I think, I think to be clear at our other establishment. 00:20:52
It's not so much when the animals are inside, it's when they're outside. 00:20:55
So, and again, much, much, much. 00:21:00
Smaller. 00:21:02
Parson this way. 00:21:04
OK. Thank you. 00:21:06
Thank you. With that I think. 00:21:08
Done with Commission questions, so I'll open this item up for public comment. 00:21:11
If you'd like to make a comment on this item if you'll come forward. 00:21:15
Give your name and your address and whatever comment you'd like to add. 00:21:18
Jay Lassiter, 202 Ready Street, Saint Mary's Outcome. 00:21:26
The chair of the Hospital Authority, we own the property we're selling. 00:21:29
So these nice folks here? 00:21:32
We welcome the business in Saint Mary's, we need it. 00:21:34
As far as the dogs? 00:21:37
Everybody's got double the backyard. 00:21:38
Dogs bark. That's what they do. 00:21:40
The neighbors across the street might not have a dog now, but the next runner next week, I have a dog. There are two dogs. 00:21:43
You say no. What do you do? 00:21:48
Thank you. 00:21:51
Thank you. 00:21:52
Anyone else on this item to give comment? 00:21:54
All right, I'm going to then close the public comment. 00:21:58
Portion of this Do we need further discussion? 00:22:02
Are we ready for I move to approve? 00:22:05
All right. 00:22:08
Right, sorry if I could just interject. 00:22:09
I think that. 00:22:12
One of the staff recommend the staff recommendation is to approve the special use permit. 00:22:13
With the condition that. 00:22:19
Part of the application to. 00:22:21
Create the caretakers dwelling. 00:22:23
Will require a site plan. 00:22:26
For the site so we can understand. 00:22:27
As. 00:22:30
Commissioner King pointed out. 00:22:31
It's 1 parcel you'll enter in in a certain area, you'll park in a certain area, the caretaker will be. 00:22:32
Will meet the set back so. 00:22:39
That will be an additional step. 00:22:41
In order to build the caretakers. 00:22:43
Building. Thank you. 00:22:46
Move to approve with that. 00:22:48
Addition. 00:22:50
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:22:52
All right, this motion has also carried. 00:22:55
So that. 00:22:58
Concludes both old business and new business. 00:22:59
So that would bring us on our agenda. 00:23:03
To our discussion. 00:23:05
So if. 00:23:08
Mr. Gomez, if you wanted to come forward. 00:23:09
And because we're on recording. 00:23:12
Again, give your name and address and then. 00:23:14
Whatever discussion you would like to. 00:23:17
Provide on the deferred item. That would be fine. 00:23:19
Thank you. 00:23:24
My name is Ruben Gomez. 00:23:32
My address is 203 W. 00:23:34
Peach Ave. in King's Land. 00:23:37
I have three comments that I would like to make regarding our application. 00:23:43
We're talking about a small, small project. 00:23:48
A person with limited resources. 00:23:52
But. 00:23:54
We plan to improve. 00:23:56
An area that is an eyesore. 00:23:58
Are we planning to make it better? 00:24:01
In order to do that, we had to confront ourselves. 00:24:04
With all kinds of. 00:24:08
Problems and obstacles. 00:24:09
So for instance. 00:24:12
#1 Georgia Power. 00:24:13
Maria Hammett. 00:24:18
Owns a piece of land. 00:24:20
And Georgia Power. 00:24:24
Is asking us to. 00:24:25
Request. 00:24:27
An application for a permit. 00:24:31
And they want to charge us a certain amount of money to review the application. 00:24:33
Then if that application is reviewed and approved. 00:24:39
Then they want to charge a larger amount. 00:24:43
To approve an application. 00:24:46
Oh, Maria Hazmat. 00:24:49
Land where she owns the. 00:24:52
The property and she pays taxes on it. 00:24:56
In case you didn't know. 00:24:59
That is, what's going on is a typical case. 00:25:01
Of a big fish. 00:25:04
Eating small fish. 00:25:07
That's item number one. 00:25:08
The item number 2 is that. 00:25:11
That lot. 00:25:13
Is part of a development. 00:25:15
Call us at all. 00:25:17
Estates. 00:25:19
And it. 00:25:20
By you. 00:25:22
I'm not talking about personally you guys, but. 00:25:24
Someone in this city approved it. 00:25:27
So this is not just out of the blue. 00:25:29
A lot that appear. 00:25:32
Is an approved part of a development? 00:25:34
And I'm going to go now to item number 3. 00:25:39
Which is, they say, Georgia law. 00:25:42
Which is 44 nine. 00:25:45
That says that no. 00:25:48
Peaceful land. 00:25:50
It's going to be deemed. 00:25:51
As landlocked. 00:25:53
So I have tried to. 00:25:55
Talk to the neighbors around it. 00:25:58
I'm making my world with the fact. 00:26:00
That we're going to build. 00:26:03
In that property and we want access. 00:26:04
And if they don't? 00:26:07
I agree with that. 00:26:09
We're going to go to the Superior Court. 00:26:11
And as a Georgia simply. 00:26:13
Make a decision. 00:26:15
And force them to allow. 00:26:17
Our axes. I just wanted you to know that. 00:26:19
The law is 44940. 00:26:22
Georgia. 00:26:25
Georgia called. 00:26:26
And Mr. Hicks? 00:26:28
Usain is the barely. 00:26:30
Intelligible. I cannot read it. 00:26:33
Can you have a larger sign with your name? Please sign. 00:26:37
Is it different from the rest? 00:26:43
It does have a small, sorry. 00:26:45
You'll be just a comment from a nasty guy, but it is the truth. 00:26:48
I had to walk to you. 00:26:52
To be able to read it. 00:26:54
Right, certainly. All right. Maybe I'll make a request for the bigger sign, please. 00:26:55
OK, that's all I had to say. 00:27:01
If he's getting a bigger sign, I want a bigger one. 00:27:03
Thank you. 00:27:07
Thank you. 00:27:08
All right, so and those are comments that are related to. 00:27:11
An item that we're gonna be. 00:27:15
Hopefully seeing on next month's. 00:27:18
Agenda. 00:27:20
So that takes us. 00:27:21
Through our items of business. Jamie, do you have anything else that you? 00:27:23
Want to? Yeah, I mean just briefly. We're continuing to work on the. 00:27:29
Parking. 00:27:34
Standards ordinance we're also continuing to work on. 00:27:35
The vegetation ordinance, which has been. 00:27:40
Kicking around a bit. 00:27:43
You're you're not the board that. 00:27:44
That wields it, but I think it's important for you to know of it. 00:27:47
In that will is also there is a landscape. 00:27:52
Ordinance that is going to come forward as well giving a little bit more guidance on. 00:27:56
Particularly in our commercial developments, what type of landscape? 00:28:01
Plans we're looking for. 00:28:05
What else? 00:28:10
And also a site plan, Yeah, and the the site plan ordinance, so. 00:28:11
Lot of lot of things on the fire to try to. 00:28:15
Further articulate the development code. 00:28:18
We like to know you're keeping busy, so that's that's good. 00:28:21
All right, if there are no other discussion items, do we have a? 00:28:25
All right, we have a. 00:28:31
Motion here for adjournment. 00:28:32
All those in favor, aye. 00:28:35
All right, That concludes our November meeting. Thank you. 00:28:37
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Woodlands Pet Retreat - SUP - 135 048 General Document
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Event transcript
Right, everybody's microphone's working. 00:00:02
Mine included. 00:00:07
Ready 530. All right. 00:00:24
Going to call to to order the November meeting of the Saint Mary's Planning Commission. 00:00:27
Our first order of business is going to be then approval of the minutes. 00:00:32
From last month's meeting. 00:00:37
Do we have any edits or additions to the? 00:00:39
Minutes. 00:00:43
I make a motion. We approve the minutes. 00:00:44
2nd a second. All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:00:47
All right, meaning minutes have been approved. 00:00:50
Next on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. 00:00:54
And we do have a change to the. 00:00:58
Agenda. 00:01:01
Under Old Business under item number 2. 00:01:03
Which is a rezoning request. 00:01:07
A request for a continuance has been filed on this. 00:01:09
And so item 2 will be delayed until next month's. 00:01:13
Meeting. 00:01:17
Are there any other edits or changes to the agenda? 00:01:18
If not, do we have a motion to approve the agenda as well? All right. Second. 00:01:23
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:01:28
All right. With our approved agenda, we can start with our first item of old business. 00:01:30
Which is a reverse subdivision. 00:01:37
Do we have a representative for this? 00:01:40
Project. Yes. 00:01:43
If you want to come forward, if you. 00:01:45
You're not required, but if you want to add any information, this is your chance. 00:01:47
No other information. 00:01:52
OK. 00:01:54
Then I'm going to turn things over to Jamie if you want to walk through the cities. 00:01:55
Presentation on this. 00:01:59
Great. Thank you very much to Commissioners. And for the record, we'll note. 00:02:01
There are. 00:02:05
4 of you present today. 00:02:06
Yes, OK. 00:02:08
Um, so this is a reverse subdivision, a little bit of a unique one we did. 00:02:10
With our subdivision ordinance rewrite, we did allow for. 00:02:16
Sorry. 00:02:23
We did allow for reverse subdivisions that were just two lots with the same zoning to be done administratively. 00:02:24
This one is slightly unique, forgive me, I don't know why. 00:02:31
My computer is over here. 00:02:35
But we'll do it on the on the Parcel map here. 00:02:37
If you can see it. 00:02:39
So here is 118 Chelsea Place. 00:02:40
In the past, there was development zoning here for R3, so you see kind of these clustered cottages. 00:02:43
Mr. and Mrs. Gutowski are owners of the. 00:02:52
Parcels which are adjacent. 00:02:55
To 118. 00:02:58
And this is an action. 00:03:00
Merge them all. 00:03:03
Into. Let's see if I can get this to. 00:03:04
There we go. That's better. 00:03:07
Take all of those parcels and merge them back into one. 00:03:11
OK, so we did ask that this be put through the Commission, because it is not. 00:03:15
One parcel? It's actually a total of 12345 parcels, 6 being merged back into one. 00:03:20
That is the application before you. 00:03:27
Staff has reviewed this and we recommend approval. 00:03:30
With the condition that any future development would meet. 00:03:35
There are three zoning standards. 00:03:38
And would be would meet the building restriction lines as shown on the final. 00:03:40
Great. Do we have any questions from the Commission members before we open up public comment? 00:03:45
All right. I think we'll go ahead and open up public comment on this item. 00:03:53
If you wish to comment on this item, if you'll come forward, give your name and your address. 00:03:56
I do. 00:04:02
OK. 00:04:04
Good evening. 00:04:11
My name is Reuben. 00:04:13
Gomez. 00:04:14
I live in Kingsland. 00:04:16
Two or three West. 00:04:18
Beach Ave. 00:04:22
Do I need this microphone? 00:04:24
It's my voice, so so. 00:04:26
So faint. 00:04:28
To push the button on, it'll go up. 00:04:29
Can you are we recording right now? 00:04:31
I don't I don't have a problem with that. 00:04:35
Thank you, Mr. Thank you. 00:04:39
203 W Peach Ave. in Kingsland. 00:04:44
Do you want my phone number too? 00:04:48
No, all right. 00:04:49
So I have three items I wanted to mention to you. 00:04:52
They might not be. 00:04:55
Strongly relevant, but to be. 00:04:57
Things for you to consider. 00:05:00
I have been. 00:05:03
Working in this case for a long time. 00:05:04
Longer life. 00:05:07
And we thought and. 00:05:08
Now we apply the. 00:05:13
To power, power. 00:05:15
So I. 00:05:18
This public. 00:05:20
This comment is on item number one, which is the reverse subdivision. 00:05:21
So it's not concerning yours. 00:05:28
EUR will be the next one up. Well, actually we've moved it from the agenda to next month, so. 00:05:30
That's right, your rezoning. 00:05:37
Won't be part of this meeting. It would be part of next month's meeting. 00:05:38
Well, regardless of that. 00:05:43
I wanted to mention three items that might be relevant to you. 00:05:45
When you make a decision so. 00:05:49
I think we need to do that separately from this is the public comment on this particular agenda item. 00:05:52
Yeah. So why don't we have you defer for a minute? Let's handle that. 00:05:58
This specific agenda item and then give you that opportunity. 00:06:04
That work for you? 00:06:08
All right, OK. 00:06:09
Thank you. 00:06:10
All right. So do we have any public comment on item number one? 00:06:10
Which is the reverse subdivision. 00:06:16
All right. I'm not seeing anyone that wants to give public comments. So with that I'm going to close. 00:06:21
The public comment on item number one. 00:06:26
Do we have any further discussion from Commission members? 00:06:29
Or are we ready for a motion on this item? 00:06:33
I have one item I'd like to mention. 00:06:37
I've noticed from the survey. 00:06:40
That they're from the next structure on Lot 4. 00:06:42
There is a. 00:06:46
Entry, walk and sidewalk in three parking spaces that encroach upon. 00:06:49
One of the parcels involved in this. 00:06:54
Reverse subdivision. 00:06:56
And I don't know that the status of that changes. 00:06:58
One way or another, before and after a reverse subdivision. 00:07:03
But I would want to make it clear that the action of the committee. 00:07:06
Would neither. 00:07:09
Confirm or restrict the rights of. 00:07:10
The owner of slot 4. 00:07:13
You know what I'm saying to that parcel we're ruling on. 00:07:15
MSFT. 00:07:20
I don't see it right here so. 00:07:36
There's another structure right here. 00:07:41
So here's a. 00:07:43
Here's a. 00:07:44
Go to the structure. 00:07:48
And is that through recorded easement? 00:07:53
Do we? That's an encroachment on that, on these two lots that are being. 00:07:55
Spartan Subdivision. So if it was recorded easement wouldn't it stay in? 00:08:00
Place I would think, but I don't know. There's a recorded easement, but I don't know it. 00:08:04
Does it show? I would. I would think it may not. Our decision here may not impact that one another. 00:08:08
But in case that it did, I don't. 00:08:14
I think the. 00:08:16
Yeah. I mean, I think the important piece here is that. 00:08:17
And we see this in some of our other. 00:08:21
Multifamily developments, so a portion of the. 00:08:23
Where you can see in the shading where the. 00:08:28
Car is so a portion of the roadway. 00:08:30
Or the parking space. 00:08:34
Seem appears to be on the parcel and you see that. 00:08:36
In the survey and the shaded Gray area. So I think what? 00:08:39
Commissioner Hicks is saying is that. 00:08:42
By merging these lots together. 00:08:45
We are in no way conveying that that now becomes. 00:08:49
Private parking. 00:08:53
I think is that what you're saying? 00:08:55
Are you comfortable with that? Do you want to? 00:08:57
OK. 00:09:00
And then the. 00:09:02
Walkway which seems to allow access of those. 00:09:03
Parking spaces. 00:09:07
To the. 00:09:10
The residence that is on. 00:09:12
Lot 4. 00:09:14
Would would not be obstructed by the merge of the. 00:09:16
Parcels. 00:09:20
OK. 00:09:24
Want. 00:09:25
I guess part of our. 00:09:28
Motion to. 00:09:30
Have a comment added to that or. 00:09:31
Perhaps I just don't. 00:09:35
I don't know. 00:09:37
The legality of what our action, how our action may impact that, but I don't think. 00:09:38
We're prepared to make a judgment call on those. 00:09:44
Easement, right, right. Whether there's an easement or not, or it's just a. 00:09:47
Illegal encroachment. 00:09:50
You know I would. I would want our action to suggest that whatever conditions existed prior to this reverse subdivision. 00:09:53
Exists afterwards. 00:10:01
I think that's fine to state and we can capture it in the minutes. 00:10:04
I mean, you're not. We're not really making a change there. We're just changing. 00:10:07
Sort of the merge of the parcels and it. 00:10:11
Seems like if you look at the. 00:10:13
If you look at the shape of each of the parcels, it's. 00:10:16
It's actually hard to see on. 00:10:20
On the map. 00:10:21
But uh. 00:10:22
If you look at the way that each lot. 00:10:23
Kind of has. 00:10:26
A certain width to it. 00:10:27
Deeper into the lot, but then. 00:10:29
Kind of. 00:10:31
Dog legs or dog arms, whatever. 00:10:31
To the to the parking. 00:10:34
To enable that. 00:10:36
Parking there. 00:10:37
So, umm. 00:10:38
I think maybe 1. 00:10:41
Question would be. 00:10:42
For me would be that if someone else is parked. 00:10:47
If there is a vehicle. 00:10:50
That lives in this community, that is parked in that area. 00:10:51
This the city wouldn't be. 00:10:56
Involved in. 00:10:58
Authorizing or. 00:10:59
You know, enforcing that in any way. 00:11:02
And we can just capture that in the minutes. I'd rather that we don't. 00:11:07
Make any. 00:11:10
Render. 00:11:11
Decision on that. 00:11:12
All right. 00:11:13
Oh, go ahead, Ukraine. 00:11:16
I make a motion, we approve it. 00:11:17
All right. Do we have a second I second? 00:11:20
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:11:22
All right. Item number one under old business has been approved. 00:11:24
Jamie, I'm going to seek advisement from you on how to handle. 00:11:28
Public comment on an item that's not on the agenda. 00:11:33
I mean, we could. 00:11:38
Yeah, I mean that and and offer that to be submitted. 00:11:39
For as part of our next meetings. 00:11:44
Packet uh. 00:11:46
I mean my. 00:11:49
Preferred course of action would be that since there was a request to continue. 00:11:51
The applications that it is not heard this evening. 00:11:56
But is heard. 00:11:59
At the next meeting. 00:12:01
That we don't discuss it. 00:12:02
If you you know if you would really like to have a discussion, then we can add it to the discussion section. 00:12:03
But the the hearing for this item, for this rezoning. 00:12:11
There was a request to continue it and not discuss it. 00:12:16
This evening. 00:12:19
OK, that would be my. 00:12:21
Let's proceed in that manner so. 00:12:24
For right now, we're not going to move into that and we're going to proceed. 00:12:26
Into new business. 00:12:30
And we have a special use permit. 00:12:32
From Mr. Tudor, do we have a representative from this project? 00:12:35
If you want to give your come to the podium, give your name and address and then anything you want to. 00:12:39
Tell us about. 00:12:44
Your proposed project. 00:12:45
Yes Sir, my name is Nicholas Tudor. I live at 14 Fox Path, St. Mary's currently. 00:12:47
I have no comments but I'm open to any questions. 00:12:52
Regarding the special use permit. 00:12:55
All right. Thank you. 00:12:57
Jamie, I'm going to turn things back to you. 00:12:59
Great. Thank you. So what's before you this evening is a special use permit. Mr. Nicholas Tudor requests a special use permit to 00:13:03
establish. 00:13:07
A residential use on tax parcel 135048. 00:13:11
The proposed residence would serve as a caretaker's dwelling. 00:13:17
In conjunction with a commercial facility. 00:13:21
To be known as Woodlands Pet Retreat. 00:13:23
The parcel is zoned C2. 00:13:27
So if you'll remember when we did the. 00:13:29
C2 zoning rewrite. That zoning district rewrite. 00:13:33
We enabled. 00:13:36
Residential or dwelling as part of the zoning with a special use permit. 00:13:40
So in the past we did it with those cottages in front of. 00:13:45
Adjacent to the Shadow Lawn community. 00:13:50
In which a special use permit was filed to be able to do solely residential. 00:13:53
This is a mix. 00:13:57
So Mr. Tudor is? 00:13:59
Going through the steps of. 00:14:02
Creating a. 00:14:05
Pet boarding facilities, sort of a pet daycare, a pet retreat. 00:14:07
That use. 00:14:12
Is allowed as of. 00:14:14
In our C2 zoning district. 00:14:16
So the special use permit application is solely for. 00:14:19
The caretakers willing. 00:14:24
However, I would like Mr. Tudor. 00:14:26
To kind of walk us through, you know, we, we do have another pet boarding facility. 00:14:29
In the city in which we have received. 00:14:36
Complaints. 00:14:39
From the neighbors. 00:14:40
The parcel that that one is on is not at all as big as this one. 00:14:42
But I think that we could discuss. 00:14:47
Where the kenneling may may happen, maybe have. 00:14:51
If you haven't fully designed it out yet, maybe we could. 00:14:54
You know, have some discussion. 00:14:57
We also did receive. 00:14:59
A letter. 00:15:02
In opposition to this proposal. 00:15:03
With the concern that. 00:15:07
A caretakers residence would mean 24 hours of. 00:15:09
You know, dogs potentially being outside. 00:15:13
So if you could speak to that, but. 00:15:16
What is before the Commission this evening is a special use permit. 00:15:19
In order to permit a dwelling A caretaker's dwelling. 00:15:24
On a commercial establishment. 00:15:28
Ivana. 00:15:32
All right. 00:15:35
I'm sorry, That was a lot. So could we break it down? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So why don't you? 00:15:37
Why don't we look at SO, for example, on the site plan what we're seeing here? 00:15:41
Is this is a? 00:15:45
Seven acre 7.8 acre site. 00:15:49
Does that sound about right? It's a very large sign. 00:15:52
Yes, ma'am. OK, let me also now look at. 00:15:55
The cities. 00:15:58
Web map. 00:16:00
It doesn't explode on me. 00:16:01
Let's look at some of the surrounding uses here. 00:16:03
So for those of you that aren't familiar with this location. 00:16:07
This is right behind the. 00:16:10
Middle school. 00:16:14
On Davis St. 00:16:15
It's coming into view now, so. 00:16:17
The middle school you're seeing here? 00:16:20
These are those buildings. 00:16:23
This location right here. If you remember the Davis St. townhomes, we recently had a preliminary plat. 00:16:25
And a rezoning to create a townhome community there. 00:16:32
North of that is the Cumberland Oaks community, also residential. 00:16:36
Here is the parcel which Mr. Tudor. 00:16:41
Is working on. There is currently a building there. 00:16:45
And as you can see in the. 00:16:48
Site plan. 00:16:51
The proposal. 00:16:52
Is to place that caretaker's unit. 00:16:54
In what I would call more the northern. 00:16:56
Kind of region of the. 00:16:59
Of the parcel. 00:17:01
And it seemed like from the. 00:17:03
Comments because I think there were a couple of them on this. 00:17:04
The concern didn't seem to necessarily be about. 00:17:08
Whether there was a residential. 00:17:11
You know unit there but. 00:17:14
It was about. 00:17:16
Noise issues. 00:17:17
And concern about that, so maybe. 00:17:19
You can comment about how you see this. 00:17:21
Being handled that might. 00:17:24
You know, handle some of those concerns. 00:17:27
Yes, Sir. So First off, with the property, it is already sort of isolated good 100 feet from the houses across street. 00:17:30
There is a middle school over there. 00:17:38
I don't think they're gonna complain about noise. 00:17:40
Currently, I've walked the property with Bill Gross. 00:17:42
There is already soundproofing in the ceiling of the building and we intend to use the original building. 00:17:46
Currently umm. 00:17:52
For the boarding purposes. 00:17:53
And to answer the second question about the comment. 00:17:56
So. 00:17:59
We're putting the residential caretaker home there so there is 24 hour care just in case of emergencies. 00:18:00
That does not mean. 00:18:05
I'm going to be letting dogs out at midnight. 00:18:06
To cause a ruckus, you know there will be downtime, but it is solely there so that there is. 00:18:09
Somebody always on property to take care of. 00:18:14
Animals of an emergency or an accident happens. 00:18:17
There is able to have a quick response. 00:18:20
We do not intend to let dogs out laid out at night to cause a loud disturbance. 00:18:22
And if you look at the property on the map our. 00:18:27
Potty area where dogs will be let out to play is currently behind the building, so that's even further away. 00:18:32
From the residential houses across street. 00:18:37
OK. 00:18:42
Thank you. 00:18:44
Before we go to public comment, are there questions from Commission members on this? 00:18:45
Yeah, I got OK. 00:18:50
On here you got it and. 00:18:53
Right now it's one lock. 00:18:55
I don't hear you got a lot more than lot 2. 00:18:59
And it separates lot 1 and lot 2. 00:19:02
Is drainage easement. 00:19:06
What? Why are you separating the two? 00:19:11
That is the original survey. That is how I'm buying the property. 00:19:15
Not separating the lots. 00:19:20
At all. 00:19:21
That's R, yeah. That's the old survey. Yeah, I see that. 00:19:27
Yeah. 00:19:31
Other questions. Wiley. 00:19:35
That's it. OK where is the house going to be? 00:19:36
Am I looking at? 00:19:41
On the coming off of Davis St. 00:19:43
The fence or the fenced off area? 00:19:47
Leads back to the current building, does it not? 00:19:50
Oh yes Sir. So if you move the pointer a little bit to your left there. 00:19:54
Over there, that's right where the caretaker's house would be, near the front gate, it is. 00:19:58
Fully fenced in just so we could also. 00:20:02
Monitor. 00:20:04
Egress and ingress from the property if anybody were trying to. 00:20:05
Come in late at night. 00:20:09
We are able to monitor that and see that how far is that away from the main building. 00:20:11
It's hard to. I don't see any building. That's why I'd say at least roughly 50 to 75 feet. There is a large parking lot. 00:20:15
Already on the premises. 00:20:22
OK. Any other questions? 00:20:24
Now personally I was trying to figure out. 00:20:29
If you had someone on premises. 00:20:32
And there was an issue with dogs barking. 00:20:33
That would be a good thing because he'd go probably, or he or she'd. 00:20:36
Probably go try to figure out what's wrong. 00:20:40
And we we don't want to. 00:20:42
Bad relationship with our neighbors, so if it is a problem, we will soundproof the facility. 00:20:45
To correct that. 00:20:50
Yeah, I think, I think to be clear at our other establishment. 00:20:52
It's not so much when the animals are inside, it's when they're outside. 00:20:55
So, and again, much, much, much. 00:21:00
Smaller. 00:21:02
Parson this way. 00:21:04
OK. Thank you. 00:21:06
Thank you. With that I think. 00:21:08
Done with Commission questions, so I'll open this item up for public comment. 00:21:11
If you'd like to make a comment on this item if you'll come forward. 00:21:15
Give your name and your address and whatever comment you'd like to add. 00:21:18
Jay Lassiter, 202 Ready Street, Saint Mary's Outcome. 00:21:26
The chair of the Hospital Authority, we own the property we're selling. 00:21:29
So these nice folks here? 00:21:32
We welcome the business in Saint Mary's, we need it. 00:21:34
As far as the dogs? 00:21:37
Everybody's got double the backyard. 00:21:38
Dogs bark. That's what they do. 00:21:40
The neighbors across the street might not have a dog now, but the next runner next week, I have a dog. There are two dogs. 00:21:43
You say no. What do you do? 00:21:48
Thank you. 00:21:51
Thank you. 00:21:52
Anyone else on this item to give comment? 00:21:54
All right, I'm going to then close the public comment. 00:21:58
Portion of this Do we need further discussion? 00:22:02
Are we ready for I move to approve? 00:22:05
All right. 00:22:08
Right, sorry if I could just interject. 00:22:09
I think that. 00:22:12
One of the staff recommend the staff recommendation is to approve the special use permit. 00:22:13
With the condition that. 00:22:19
Part of the application to. 00:22:21
Create the caretakers dwelling. 00:22:23
Will require a site plan. 00:22:26
For the site so we can understand. 00:22:27
As. 00:22:30
Commissioner King pointed out. 00:22:31
It's 1 parcel you'll enter in in a certain area, you'll park in a certain area, the caretaker will be. 00:22:32
Will meet the set back so. 00:22:39
That will be an additional step. 00:22:41
In order to build the caretakers. 00:22:43
Building. Thank you. 00:22:46
Move to approve with that. 00:22:48
Addition. 00:22:50
All right, all those in favor, aye? 00:22:52
All right, this motion has also carried. 00:22:55
So that. 00:22:58
Concludes both old business and new business. 00:22:59
So that would bring us on our agenda. 00:23:03
To our discussion. 00:23:05
So if. 00:23:08
Mr. Gomez, if you wanted to come forward. 00:23:09
And because we're on recording. 00:23:12
Again, give your name and address and then. 00:23:14
Whatever discussion you would like to. 00:23:17
Provide on the deferred item. That would be fine. 00:23:19
Thank you. 00:23:24
My name is Ruben Gomez. 00:23:32
My address is 203 W. 00:23:34
Peach Ave. in King's Land. 00:23:37
I have three comments that I would like to make regarding our application. 00:23:43
We're talking about a small, small project. 00:23:48
A person with limited resources. 00:23:52
But. 00:23:54
We plan to improve. 00:23:56
An area that is an eyesore. 00:23:58
Are we planning to make it better? 00:24:01
In order to do that, we had to confront ourselves. 00:24:04
With all kinds of. 00:24:08
Problems and obstacles. 00:24:09
So for instance. 00:24:12
#1 Georgia Power. 00:24:13
Maria Hammett. 00:24:18
Owns a piece of land. 00:24:20
And Georgia Power. 00:24:24
Is asking us to. 00:24:25
Request. 00:24:27
An application for a permit. 00:24:31
And they want to charge us a certain amount of money to review the application. 00:24:33
Then if that application is reviewed and approved. 00:24:39
Then they want to charge a larger amount. 00:24:43
To approve an application. 00:24:46
Oh, Maria Hazmat. 00:24:49
Land where she owns the. 00:24:52
The property and she pays taxes on it. 00:24:56
In case you didn't know. 00:24:59
That is, what's going on is a typical case. 00:25:01
Of a big fish. 00:25:04
Eating small fish. 00:25:07
That's item number one. 00:25:08
The item number 2 is that. 00:25:11
That lot. 00:25:13
Is part of a development. 00:25:15
Call us at all. 00:25:17
Estates. 00:25:19
And it. 00:25:20
By you. 00:25:22
I'm not talking about personally you guys, but. 00:25:24
Someone in this city approved it. 00:25:27
So this is not just out of the blue. 00:25:29
A lot that appear. 00:25:32
Is an approved part of a development? 00:25:34
And I'm going to go now to item number 3. 00:25:39
Which is, they say, Georgia law. 00:25:42
Which is 44 nine. 00:25:45
That says that no. 00:25:48
Peaceful land. 00:25:50
It's going to be deemed. 00:25:51
As landlocked. 00:25:53
So I have tried to. 00:25:55
Talk to the neighbors around it. 00:25:58
I'm making my world with the fact. 00:26:00
That we're going to build. 00:26:03
In that property and we want access. 00:26:04
And if they don't? 00:26:07
I agree with that. 00:26:09
We're going to go to the Superior Court. 00:26:11
And as a Georgia simply. 00:26:13
Make a decision. 00:26:15
And force them to allow. 00:26:17
Our axes. I just wanted you to know that. 00:26:19
The law is 44940. 00:26:22
Georgia. 00:26:25
Georgia called. 00:26:26
And Mr. Hicks? 00:26:28
Usain is the barely. 00:26:30
Intelligible. I cannot read it. 00:26:33
Can you have a larger sign with your name? Please sign. 00:26:37
Is it different from the rest? 00:26:43
It does have a small, sorry. 00:26:45
You'll be just a comment from a nasty guy, but it is the truth. 00:26:48
I had to walk to you. 00:26:52
To be able to read it. 00:26:54
Right, certainly. All right. Maybe I'll make a request for the bigger sign, please. 00:26:55
OK, that's all I had to say. 00:27:01
If he's getting a bigger sign, I want a bigger one. 00:27:03
Thank you. 00:27:07
Thank you. 00:27:08
All right, so and those are comments that are related to. 00:27:11
An item that we're gonna be. 00:27:15
Hopefully seeing on next month's. 00:27:18
Agenda. 00:27:20
So that takes us. 00:27:21
Through our items of business. Jamie, do you have anything else that you? 00:27:23
Want to? Yeah, I mean just briefly. We're continuing to work on the. 00:27:29
Parking. 00:27:34
Standards ordinance we're also continuing to work on. 00:27:35
The vegetation ordinance, which has been. 00:27:40
Kicking around a bit. 00:27:43
You're you're not the board that. 00:27:44
That wields it, but I think it's important for you to know of it. 00:27:47
In that will is also there is a landscape. 00:27:52
Ordinance that is going to come forward as well giving a little bit more guidance on. 00:27:56
Particularly in our commercial developments, what type of landscape? 00:28:01
Plans we're looking for. 00:28:05
What else? 00:28:10
And also a site plan, Yeah, and the the site plan ordinance, so. 00:28:11
Lot of lot of things on the fire to try to. 00:28:15
Further articulate the development code. 00:28:18
We like to know you're keeping busy, so that's that's good. 00:28:21
All right, if there are no other discussion items, do we have a? 00:28:25
All right, we have a. 00:28:31
Motion here for adjournment. 00:28:32
All those in favor, aye. 00:28:35
All right, That concludes our November meeting. Thank you. 00:28:37