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Goodwill. 00:00:05
All right. 00:00:20
All right, Good evening. Welcome to the 26th August 2025 Historic Preservation. 00:00:23
We want to make sure our mics are all turned on. 00:00:28
Thumbs up if you have it. 00:00:31
To the left. 00:00:34
To the right, all right. 00:00:34
So we're going to do a roll call. We're going to start from our left and work our way to the right. 00:00:37
Hi, good evening, everyone. It's Colleen Danos. 00:00:41
Hey, what's up everybody? Melvin Taylor here. 00:00:44
Choi Makala. 00:00:46
Cynthia Calve. 00:00:47
Selenda Perry. 00:00:48
All right, looks like we have a quorum tonight. 00:00:50
So we're going to start with the city. We're going to see if there's any initial. 00:00:52
Comments from the city here. 00:00:57
Not initially, but the historic Marcus discussion. Kelly has asked us to wait for her to return. She's. 00:00:58
Away taking care of some family. 00:01:04
Issue update is also has has told me she has a little bit more information on. 00:01:06
Some other historical markers. 00:01:11
So if we can maybe just push this to the next, sure. 00:01:13
Discussion item next month. 00:01:17
All right. Thank you, Taish. 00:01:19
Be a change to the agenda. OK, Perfect. Anything else? 00:01:20
Not until we. 00:01:24
Not this moment. 00:01:27
OK, cool, cool. And then so we need to approve the minutes from 24 June. 00:01:28
2025. 00:01:32
I make a motion. We approve the minutes as submitted. 00:01:33
Second, all in favor say aye. 00:01:36
Aye, all right. 00:01:38
Let's say we have approval for that. 00:01:39
All right. So we have no old business. 00:01:42
And we're going to move straight into the new business. So the first thing is. 00:01:45
The request for removal of trees on the property of 126 Osborne. 00:01:48
So the first thing is we'll hear from the city on that. 00:01:53
Chad. 00:01:57
Ingram, the applicant is not. 00:01:58
Here, OK, I don't know if we can go out of order and start with. 00:02:02
The second one and then. 00:02:05
Hopefully he. 00:02:08
Shows up OK. 00:02:09
So we'll go ahead and move to be, we'll be. 00:02:11
We'll think outside the box here. 00:02:13
And then so we're going to talk about the request for a new roof. 00:02:15
At the 200 Osborne. 00:02:20
Street. 00:02:21
And then we'll start with the city on there. Are there any comments from the city on there? 00:02:22
No, it's just that we're kind of doing this in a retrograde way. 00:02:27
It's already been done. 00:02:31
We think it's great. It looks way better than the old brown shingle roof. 00:02:33
So we're. 00:02:38
We are in support of what has been done. 00:02:39
Done. OK. 00:02:41
Awesome. And do we have any representation for that? 00:02:43
Come on up Sir, just state your name and your address. 00:02:46
Oh, just for the thank you, Sir. No, no issues at all, Sir. The microphone. Yes, Sir. Brandon Bailey and 359 Knuckle Place, St. 00:02:48
Mary's. 00:02:53
Yeah, the reason we do the mic is we have about 25,000 people that chime in. 00:02:57
From around the world. 00:03:01
So we just want to make sure that everybody. 00:03:03
Everybody hears you. 00:03:05
Go ahead. So basically, uh. 00:03:07
We were, I was. 00:03:10
In purchasing that building. 00:03:12
The Chris Awad was doing the remodeling inside. 00:03:15
The roof needed to be replaced. It was leaking. 00:03:19
So we replaced all the flat roof that was leaking and then there was a lot of issues with the shingle roof, so we went ahead and 00:03:21
replaced it. 00:03:25
Didn't actually know that we need to get approval on that. So we're here to retro. 00:03:29
Approve it. 00:03:33
Basically go. 00:03:34
Yeah. Thank you for that. 00:03:35
So we'll start, we'll go back. We'll go to the board here for now. But I just wanted to say I know that you all made me. 00:03:37
Be making some future changes on there. 00:03:42
But anything that happens, we just have to go through the board 1st just to make sure it's good. 00:03:44
Yeah, for future reference, you said I just, I actually didn't even own the building at the time I. 00:03:47
Think I closed on it like. 00:03:51
Three weeks ago, maybe. 00:03:53
OK. Yes, Sir. Yeah, congratulations on that, by the way. 00:03:54
Yeah. And so we'll go to the board on that. And I know this is retroactive, but just wanted to see if the board had any questions 00:03:58
or? 00:04:01
Anything of that nature. 00:04:04
I drove by there today and thought it was absolutely beautiful. Well, thank you. Appreciate it. 00:04:06
Really. Look good. Yeah, we do have some. 00:04:11
As well. Oh, I haven't had a chance to go in yet, We're waiting on some. 00:04:14
Some plans to, we want to submit later date to to do some outside areas and some landscaping and stuff on that lot on the right. 00:04:17
I was looking at. 00:04:25
Some of the old guidelines on roofs and. 00:04:26
It it looks like, you know, metal roof and it's in line with some of the. 00:04:30
Features Architectural features that are in the guidelines units. 00:04:35
Straight definitely didn't match anything on the building. Yeah, I feel like a different improvement, but. 00:04:40
I do apologize. Like I said I. 00:04:46
Didn't actually even know that I needed approval for that, or otherwise I would have. 00:04:48
Reproved. No, I totally understand, Sir. 00:04:51
Does anybody else have any questions or anything of that nature? 00:04:54
No, I agree. Thank you for coming tonight. Yeah, that means a lot. We need to. 00:04:57
Do we need to make a motion even my notes retro? Yeah, I would go ahead. 00:05:00
And with the. 00:05:05
The additions that. 00:05:06
There are two feather flags in the right of way that need to get out of there. 00:05:08
That's probably not your. 00:05:14
Your problem and. 00:05:15
He could put a sandwich board or something in the median. 00:05:17
So upon. 00:05:21
Complete approval for this would. 00:05:24
Need to be taken down because. 00:05:26
Are really only. 00:05:28
Request OK. 00:05:31
Not going to waste anytime here. 00:05:32
Yeah. Do we have a motion for that or? 00:05:35
I make a motion. We approve the request as submitted. 00:05:37
I'll second it. 00:05:40
All in favor say aye. 00:05:42
Aye, all right. Easy day. 00:05:43
Hey, thank you so much Sir. 00:05:45
Thank you. 00:05:46
And Brandon, I'll write you an approval letter over the next couple days, OK? 00:05:48
All right, so we're going to move back to the 126 Osborne. 00:05:55
Now let me ask you this question. Do we? 00:05:58
Need the owner to be here to. 00:06:01
Approve or deny this or. 00:06:04
We do OK. 00:06:06
I mean board of a representative or. 00:06:07
So maybe we just need to. 00:06:10
Uh, continue it to the next meeting, yeah. 00:06:14
Well, if you don't mind, let's give them a couple seconds. I did. If you don't mind, add to the agenda tonight the Main Street 00:06:16
conference that three of us attended in Fernandina. 00:06:20
If just quick, I'm just for the public. 00:06:24
Information Melvin and Cynthia attended the Main Street USA conference and lots of great historical information. 00:06:28
New different ways to repair stuccoes and. 00:06:37
And brickwork and. 00:06:41
And they talked a lot about flooding, and there were a lot of. 00:06:43
Management and leadership conferences and stuff, but. 00:06:47
Overall, great, great conference. 00:06:50
OK. It was for Florida. 00:06:53
And so that obviously there was a couple different things. And then the state of Georgia, I know Georgia is having one later in 00:06:54
Athens that we might have the opportunity to go through. 00:06:59
Whether it's virtual or not, but I think that that might be a little more applicable. But really good conference. 00:07:03
Great. Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, Second day, it was awesome. 00:07:10
I really enjoyed the experience overall. 00:07:13
We ended up getting some really good contacts and it was a good experience overall so. 00:07:15
I it was. It was awesome. 00:07:19
And I think that from that perspective, we just have a few more things that we have to get through. 00:07:22
So really the next portion of the agenda I think we should go to. 00:07:26
I do want to ask one question that is not on the agenda. 00:07:31
And maybe talk about that for a minute or two and then go straight to the Spencer house. 00:07:33
We'll skip the historic markers and then we'll. 00:07:37
We'll end with. 00:07:40
The new fine. 00:07:42
The new fine capability so. 00:07:44
So England, I wanted to ask a question about the. 00:07:46
The street. The street. 00:07:49
What do you call that? 00:07:52
Street dining. 00:07:53
Has anything come to light on that? 00:07:55
Yeah, parklets. 00:07:57
She's shaking her head yes. That will most likely go to council in September. 00:07:59
Awesome. OK, good to go. 00:08:04
I just want to make sure that didn't die on the vine. 00:08:06
OK, awesome. 00:08:10
OK. It's good to know we're making progress in that. 00:08:11
So with that said or did anybody have any questions on that? 00:08:13
OK, so then we'll go back to the agenda. 00:08:16
So we have the Spencer House renovations. 00:08:19
Do we, do we have any? Well, we'll start with the city first. The city have anything? 00:08:22
OK now now this is just. 00:08:26
A discussion, yes. 00:08:28
This is not an end. 00:08:30
All right, the painting portion of the house. 00:08:33
Is going to be happening. 00:08:36
And it's going to be a dark blue. 00:08:37
This board has no say on color. 00:08:40
So that is something you're going to start with. 00:08:42
Once they get to the renovation part. 00:08:44
Of the home which is going to be the. 00:08:47
The front. 00:08:49
Porch is whether they're going to stop painting. 00:08:50
Do the front porch renovations and then finish painting. But tonight we're going to show you. 00:08:53
And if you 2 could maybe come up and talk a little bit about it or you 3. 00:08:58
About. 00:09:02
The items that need to be repaired. 00:09:03
If you just state your name and your address, that would be great. 00:09:06
My name is Jane Alexander. My address is 101. 00:09:09
Bryant St. 00:09:13
And my name is Sean Ants. Thank you for having me this evening. I am at 607 Misty Harbor Blvd. in Woodbine. 00:09:15
Nice, let me just get this pulled up real quick. 00:09:22
And thank you for being here in. 00:09:28
By getting becoming, you know, being proactive at this. 00:09:29
Yeah, there's certainly we love, we love this because we can. 00:09:32
You know, obviously it makes things easier when we go to vote for it. 00:09:35
For you and. 00:09:38
And for us? 00:09:39
For sure. 00:09:40
Yeah, we like to be proactive and you know, I came down and met with Tage and the group in the in the building division. 00:09:41
Ahead of the. 00:09:48
Even quoting the painting project to the Spencer House to. 00:09:49
Make sure that we were checking all the boxes and that's ultimately, Melvin, how we ended up with the meeting that we had the 00:09:52
other day to kind of prepare and go over it and make sure that we didn't. 00:09:56
Need to officially secure an approval, but it was decided. 00:10:00
In that meeting, it would just be a good opportunity to come and meet with you guys, talk about what we're doing and then. 00:10:04
Jane has some renovation projects that. 00:10:09
I've just been kind of helping her. 00:10:12
You know, get to the point of selecting a. 00:10:14
General contractor to do that piece and we're just going to handle. 00:10:17
You know, kind of the. 00:10:20
Painting, handyman type work and the general contractor work. 00:10:21
And all this stuff. Awesome. 00:10:25
So I think we can just kind of go. 00:10:27
Through some of these pictures, I know they're a little bit. 00:10:29
Kind of hard to see from a distance, but. 00:10:31
And you can see now this is the. 00:10:34
Second story balcony is what we're looking at right now. 00:10:37
And this is. 00:10:39
The roof of it. 00:10:40
You can see it's in disrepair. 00:10:42
A lot of these columns. 00:10:46
As you can tell. 00:10:48
You need to be prepared. 00:10:49
You take a walk outside on top of this and it's squishy. 00:10:51
Oh, sounds like a fun time. 00:10:54
Yeah, so. 00:10:57
We've had it closed off for about. 00:10:59
Two years now. 00:11:01
So here's. 00:11:04
Jane, actually. 00:11:06
Created this so I will. 00:11:07
Definitely give her the. 00:11:09
Recognition. 00:11:11
With this, Jane, what do you do? What do you do over there? 00:11:12
So I manage. 00:11:15
Kind of all the operations there. And then I did manage Cedar Oak when we had it open and then I do a lot at our other property, 00:11:17
Osprey. 00:11:20
OK, awesome. 00:11:24
So these are kind of a little bit jumbled up. I apologize. 00:11:26
Here are some more of the. 00:11:31
Damage you see that needs to be repaired along with the floorboards. 00:11:32
More floorboards. You know, I'm thinking this. 00:11:38
Also needs to be repaired here. 00:11:41
Yeah, there were some question with. 00:11:43
Becky, about the height of the railing going back and that'll all be addressed with the general contractor when we never apply for 00:11:45
the permits. Yeah, correct. 00:11:49
Yeah, just some more damage just to kind of show what's going on up there. 00:11:57
And again picture. 00:12:03
Of the. 00:12:04
It looks very stately. 00:12:08
And I really love the. 00:12:11
The lighter tone. 00:12:14
Room refunded Front. 00:12:16
Paint blue. They have Paint blue Jinx. 00:12:19
So this is just a guy that. 00:12:26
Giving you guys a heads up of what's perfect. 00:12:27
Going to become and I understand you you. 00:12:30
Change you've been in contact with. 00:12:32
A contractor who deals with. 00:12:34
Homes and different things in the the historic district. 00:12:37
So they have. 00:12:41
Historic district background. 00:12:42
From the conversation we had earlier with them at our office, so. 00:12:45
I I wanted to just take a second to compliment the landscaping. 00:12:50
It's really looks beautiful. I've noticed that the last time I was by there and it's just just gorgeous. It's going to really 00:12:56
compliment the the beautiful. 00:13:01
Oh my God, no, that's great. 00:13:09
Very excited. 00:13:13
To finally get it. 00:13:15
Help me so so I actually want to jump in this really fast so like so the way this. 00:13:16
Obviously I'm really excited about this. I wanted to see what we can do to help. 00:13:22
So like, what questions do you have? 00:13:26
That we can help you get ahead of some of the things. 00:13:29
So like, you know, are you going to be using? What's your plan to use the? 00:13:32
You know wood, you know, or. 00:13:36
So in terms of the trim, there was. 00:13:38
A few repairs done to it just out of necessity. 00:13:41
Prior to us being engaged. 00:13:44
And there was dissimilar materials and things like that, so. 00:13:46
If we determine that anything needs to be replaced, I've got a. 00:13:50
Caveat in our proposal to replace that like for like. 00:13:54
Good. That's wonderful. Going back with the same aesthetics and. 00:13:58
If we come across areas where it's easy enough to. 00:14:01
Pull the the boards out that are dissimilar. We may talk to Jane about going ahead and. 00:14:05
Getting that replaced. 00:14:10
The roof was done. 00:14:11
And some of the edges and and lines are kind of. 00:14:13
Kind of awkward looking, so we're going to actually paint them to match the building so that it kind of hides that into the. 00:14:18
Architecture of the building and. 00:14:24
We're going to be working for about a month. 00:14:27
On the project. 00:14:29
You know, we're trying to make sure that they're. 00:14:31
You know, clientele can still come in and access the property and have, you know, access to certain areas. 00:14:33
At certain times, and so I will. 00:14:39
Make sure that everybody has my contact information if there's. 00:14:42
Anything that we're doing to be disruptive to the community, please call me. It's not complaining. 00:14:45
We want to be good stewards of our, you know, our neighbors and whatnot, so. 00:14:51
Tage has reached out on several occasions and you know. 00:14:55
I know his company and I've seen the work that they that they do in Fernadina they're. 00:15:00
Good, good people. 00:15:05
So, umm. 00:15:06
I was going to ask with with that said too like. 00:15:07
I'm really excited about this. 00:15:09
Do we? I mean what we need to approve for this? 00:15:11
Nothing. Yeah. So it doesn't really seem information giving session. 00:15:15
Yeah, because this is a chance for Jane to ask questions. 00:15:19
For you to ask questions. 00:15:23
So depending. 00:15:24
The next meeting or a meeting after that? 00:15:27
She's prepared to come with it. 00:15:29
To and. 00:15:31
The materials and. 00:15:33
Yeah, and I was going to ask you and looking at the and I'm kind of getting ahead of myself here. 00:15:35
Like in looking at these pictures like. 00:15:39
If he needed to do I'm. 00:15:42
In with respect to the Board. 00:15:43
If you need to replace those columns or something online, we have to approve that. 00:15:45
Yeah, like for like. 00:15:48
No, but we appreciate you bringing in front of us. But anything that's the alteration from the original design. But I have to tell 00:15:50
you, I've lived here a long time and everybody goes go past that pink house. 00:15:55
And then turn right. I don't know what we're going to do in the future. It's beautiful, absolutely stunning. So I'm very excited 00:16:00
to see some stuff done here. 00:16:04
Yeah, I guess from my perspective, I would just ask you guys back if there's. 00:16:09
Things that I can do to help prepare Jane. 00:16:14
For presenting to you. 00:16:17
When the permit is submitted and all that occurs. 00:16:20
You know, specific. 00:16:23
Things that you can help us. 00:16:25
You know, be better prepared for that meeting. We want, I think the. 00:16:26
The application process is really clear. I think the thing that we've had a tough time with in the past is. 00:16:30
Material list and building lists and real schematics of what it's going to look like when the. 00:16:36
The product is finished. You know, we don't have a paint palette for our historic district, so thank you for sticking with 00:16:41
something that's in line with what. 00:16:45
What's historic? But umm. 00:16:49
Yeah, probably just the materials list and a real. 00:16:50
Understanding for us to grasp of what's going to what it's going to look like when it's finished. Thank you. 00:16:53
Yeah, it'll look like. 00:16:59
Basically this. I mean, we have no intention really of changing anything. 00:17:01
Out of other than a necessity to change, the only discussion that we've had about potential changes is the railing that's there is 00:17:04
low. 00:17:08
And by code it is likely going to require a taller rail, but it would be the same exact design, look and finish. It will just be 00:17:13
safe. 00:17:17
Taller and safer based on. 00:17:21
Thank you requirements. 00:17:23
Yeah, this sounds gonna be pretty easy. 00:17:26
Awesome. 00:17:29
Yeah, we look forward to working with you. 00:17:30
Yeah, no problem. Thank you for your time, Sir. And I just have a couple more things to say. 00:17:33
The two non parking. 00:17:40
Besides, you have on the South side of the building. There's no parking. You'll be towed. 00:17:42
That city property? 00:17:46
That that's in the city right of way. 00:17:48
The science got to move. That's public parking. 00:17:50
You can put him in the back. 00:17:54
Where your parking is meant to be. 00:17:55
Yet on the side, like if you're looking straight at your building, the parking on the side right here, that is city right away. 00:18:00
So anybody can park there, even people who are staying there can. 00:18:06
There, but it can't be exclusive to your problem. 00:18:10
The parking in the back. 00:18:13
The building is that was what that is meant for and you can put those signs back there in case anybody. 00:18:15
Places that and then. 00:18:21
That the T sign you guys have out? 00:18:23
That that can't be there, but. 00:18:26
What I would suggest you do is get a sandwich board. 00:18:28
And put it in the median. 00:18:31
And you could have your daily. 00:18:33
You know, tea. 00:18:35
Specials or whatever you have going on. 00:18:37
That way so we can put it in a medium, yes, but. But more like a sandwich board. Yeah, yeah, not that sign, but. 00:18:39
More like you'll see like. 00:18:46
Divine did in the bookstore. 00:18:48
What those folks did, that's. 00:18:50
The kind of. 00:18:52
What I would follow. I've got a question for you about those. Those have to be removed every day. 00:18:53
No, yes. 00:18:57
Now they're supposed to be. 00:19:00
Not everybody does it, but they're supposed to be taken. 00:19:02
OK, OK. 00:19:09
Did you want to? 00:19:12
No. 00:19:14
So. So that would be my only. 00:19:16
Request. 00:19:18
Just so whenever you come back. 00:19:19
That you're totally in compliance and there's no. 00:19:21
Issues OK. 00:19:23
Yeah, and the one thing too I'll say too is like the. 00:19:25
You know, becomes a bureaucracy sometimes. I think the board here, we're pretty good at proving most things like that I come 00:19:28
through and that are within reason. 00:19:31
With something this big, it can go back and forth. 00:19:35
Like it'll like. 00:19:37
You know every month, right? So we'll come back. 00:19:38
Oh yeah, you didn't have this one thing. 00:19:40
So we have to go back and then. 00:19:42
You come back the next month and then you know, I mean. 00:19:44
So it's good that you're getting ahead of it that way we can. 00:19:46
You know, just boom, knock it out and be done. 00:19:49
Well, that's that's why we engaged. 00:19:53
Proactively. Yep. 00:19:55
To make sure super smart. 00:19:57
And we appreciate that. 00:19:59
Thank you and congratulations. 00:20:00
Yes. 00:20:03
It's gonna be awesome. 00:20:03
Thanks so much. 00:20:05
Thank you. 00:20:06
Thank you all for your time. Thank you very much. Thank you and. 00:20:07
Think we have? 00:20:11
The retroactive, I'm sorry, the new fine. 00:20:13
The side of the city. What do you all want to kind of let us know what that looks like? 00:20:16
I just wanted to. 00:20:20
That e-mail just lets you know that's now in place and the historic district does have a line item. 00:20:21
With finance, so any. 00:20:27
Finds that we do. 00:20:29
Get for folks do not file. COA can go into that. 00:20:31
Line item and we can use. 00:20:34
Those funds for maybe? 00:20:37
The signage if we decide to, or other projects that we're not able to get federal funding. 00:20:39
Just for the public, can you explain those fines? 00:20:44
And how, I mean how they come about. 00:20:47
I don't think we've talked about them. 00:20:49
File for COA and you're supposed to. 00:20:52
And they didn't, and they did the work. 00:20:55
Then you're going to have to come retroactively and along with that it's going to be $1000. OK, thank you. I have a question about 00:20:57
that. 00:21:00
Can are if they. 00:21:03
Up if somebody. 00:21:06
Submits an application for building permits or something like that in their in their in the historic district. 00:21:07
Are those? 00:21:13
Building permits issued without a. 00:21:13
COA. 00:21:16
No, they should not be. They should not be. So somebody should have a heads up before they do the work. I mean, I'm thinking about 00:21:17
somebody that's been living here for, you know, 20 years or whatever, and they don't. 00:21:23
Necessarily know that they're supposed to have a COA. 00:21:28
So that the building permits will not, should not be issued before the COA is going to be submitted together so. 00:21:31
They should be submitted. They can be. 00:21:38
Yeah. 00:21:41
Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying as a protection for the, for the. 00:21:43
Owner the property owners and and so it doesn't come around and. 00:21:48
Bought them, you know, on the backside is that. 00:21:52
Maybe we should. 00:21:55
Try to have it so that the building permits are not issued without an approval of the COA in the in the historic district, No, 00:21:56
Yeah, they they would. 00:22:00
Okay. 00:22:04
Perfect an issue, a approval before. 00:22:06
That's the start. 00:22:08
We're moving forward anybody that has a COA application. 00:22:10
It's coming to our office and we're talking about it. 00:22:14
That's very first start. We'll talk about moving forward. 00:22:17
What they need to do after that? 00:22:20
Yeah, and I'll say this publicly too. It's like. 00:22:22
I hope we see zero finds. 00:22:25
You know what I mean? I hope that we work towards 0 fines. 00:22:28
Yeah, yeah. 00:22:31
You never know. 00:22:33
You know and. 00:22:34
What is there should help us in some way? 00:22:36
Where we're able to get. 00:22:38
Funds federally or from the state. 00:22:40
For our own projects. 00:22:43
Yeah. 00:22:44
I think it just helps have a more bite also. 00:22:45
Just in case, right? And also I think it's going to be like. 00:22:50
Spread the word a little bit. 00:22:53
Yeah. 00:22:55
You should probably check with the city before you do anything. 00:22:56
An historic district. 00:23:00
So I think it's. 00:23:01
Yeah, I think one of the issues for me is a relative newcomer is. 00:23:03
The delineation of the historic district. 00:23:07
As Mr. Raley said that. 00:23:10
You know, he wasn't aware that. 00:23:13
He was on the historic property and needed that certificate of appropriateness that we just approved, so I'm just wondering how we 00:23:15
can. 00:23:19
Educate and let people know. 00:23:24
There's a map on the website that clearly defines where the. 00:23:27
Historic district does. 00:23:30
People need to just be aware of it. 00:23:32
There's also been some talk about. 00:23:35
Possibly putting together a flyer just to let folks know what they need COA for. I think that's a good idea. 00:23:38
Yes, our historic district is not huge. 00:23:44
So. 00:23:48
You know. 00:23:49
I think that would be a good idea we've been talking about. 00:23:51
Is there a way to put it maybe on the? 00:23:54
Water bill or something like that also do that. 00:23:57
That might be a little helpful. They just kind of. 00:24:01
Kind of thought. 00:24:03
I think the more that we can get ahead of it, the better. 00:24:06
That way somebody's not surprised that. 00:24:09
That's a lot of money. 00:24:11
From some of us, maybe some not. 00:24:13
$1000 yes, for the retroactive even though the work was completed before you passed the bill, Yeah. 00:24:17
I don't think that's right, but. 00:24:23
Eric, do you want to come up and state your name and address? 00:24:25
In my boss. 00:24:28
Yeah, I mean, I didn't build. 00:24:31
Do you want to? 00:24:32
Do you want to come up and say your name and address just because we have people in the? 00:24:34
Caught him for the for the Bailey. 00:24:38
359 Michael Place again. 00:24:40
No. I mean, I mean, I'll pay the $1000, I don't really care, but I don't think that's fair. 00:24:44
Especially since it was passed after the work was complete. 00:24:48
And after the permit was spooled. 00:24:51
Mr. Bailey, you did not own the building when that work was done. That's correct. 00:24:53
Who owned the building? 00:24:59
Jeremy Nelson, mentor. That's where the fine should come from. 00:25:00
As far as I'm concerned. 00:25:04
Yeah, I agree. 00:25:06
That's right. I mean, he also didn't have anything to do with the renovations either. 00:25:07
Wow, but. 00:25:11
Where he owned a building and renovations weren't being were being done and he didn't know about them. 00:25:13
I mean, he knew about him, yes. OK. 00:25:17
Yeah, iPhone in this case that we just. 00:25:19
Waving conversation I need to have. 00:25:22
OK, Absolutely. OK. 00:25:25
OK. I mean, yeah, especially since like the work was completed. 00:25:27
The permit was pulled and all that was decided before you passed that rule, and then you passed the rule after all the work's 00:25:31
done. 00:25:34
Before you even notified me. 00:25:37
And why'd you let the work get completed? 00:25:39
Without notifying anybody. 00:25:41
I did y'all drop out every day? 00:25:42
No one told me until doctor was already finished every day. 00:25:44
You don't. 00:25:48
No, it's $150.00 for me. I know. 00:25:49
I don't drive light every day, so here's what I will say. I think that it looks like we need to work some things out here. 00:25:51
And we'll, we'll talk and I'll make sure that I kind of follow up with this as well. 00:25:58
So it sounds like the decision maker on that is not here right now. 00:26:02
So we'll, we'll definitely follow up in. 00:26:06
Make sure. 00:26:08
Because if there were. 00:26:10
You know, multiple people, multiple parties involved. We need to figure out. 00:26:12
Where the findings to go? 00:26:16
Yeah, yeah. But I understand your frustration. 00:26:17
I get it. 00:26:20
I get it. 00:26:21
You know, it's not $1000 fine, it's just that's not fair. 00:26:22
Yeah. 00:26:25
Not not to pass the law, pass a rule. 00:26:26
A fine after somebody had already completed something. 00:26:29
And then try to read, you know, make a retroactive that's that's. 00:26:32
Yeah, yeah, like I said. 00:26:36
My boss in our department about it, yeah. 00:26:39
No, that's fair. 00:26:44
That's right. All right. Is there anything else on the agenda? 00:26:45
Only Mr. Ingrams, and he's still not here. 00:26:49
OK. And then anything else besides that? 00:26:51
Do we have any public comments? 00:26:56
Is there anything prohibiting us from? 00:26:58
From discussing Ingram. 00:27:00
Voting on it if we if there's a. 00:27:02
Yeah, we can't do that. We can't do that. OK, Sorry, owners have to be here. 00:27:05
OK, sorry or representative. 00:27:09
Representative. 00:27:11
OK, well. 00:27:13
I don't, you know, this is like we're half an hour in here, man. 00:27:15
So I think we. 00:27:18
We can. 00:27:19
You can call it a day. 00:27:20
Zuri and listening about says anything we can, we can adjourn. 00:27:21
Do we have a motion? 00:27:25
I'll make a motion to adjourn. 00:27:26
I'll second it. 00:27:27
All in favor say aye. 00:27:29
All right. 00:27:31
That was quick. 00:27:33
Yeah. And I understand that we're not charged. 00:27:35
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Event transcript
Goodwill. 00:00:05
All right. 00:00:20
All right, Good evening. Welcome to the 26th August 2025 Historic Preservation. 00:00:23
We want to make sure our mics are all turned on. 00:00:28
Thumbs up if you have it. 00:00:31
To the left. 00:00:34
To the right, all right. 00:00:34
So we're going to do a roll call. We're going to start from our left and work our way to the right. 00:00:37
Hi, good evening, everyone. It's Colleen Danos. 00:00:41
Hey, what's up everybody? Melvin Taylor here. 00:00:44
Choi Makala. 00:00:46
Cynthia Calve. 00:00:47
Selenda Perry. 00:00:48
All right, looks like we have a quorum tonight. 00:00:50
So we're going to start with the city. We're going to see if there's any initial. 00:00:52
Comments from the city here. 00:00:57
Not initially, but the historic Marcus discussion. Kelly has asked us to wait for her to return. She's. 00:00:58
Away taking care of some family. 00:01:04
Issue update is also has has told me she has a little bit more information on. 00:01:06
Some other historical markers. 00:01:11
So if we can maybe just push this to the next, sure. 00:01:13
Discussion item next month. 00:01:17
All right. Thank you, Taish. 00:01:19
Be a change to the agenda. OK, Perfect. Anything else? 00:01:20
Not until we. 00:01:24
Not this moment. 00:01:27
OK, cool, cool. And then so we need to approve the minutes from 24 June. 00:01:28
2025. 00:01:32
I make a motion. We approve the minutes as submitted. 00:01:33
Second, all in favor say aye. 00:01:36
Aye, all right. 00:01:38
Let's say we have approval for that. 00:01:39
All right. So we have no old business. 00:01:42
And we're going to move straight into the new business. So the first thing is. 00:01:45
The request for removal of trees on the property of 126 Osborne. 00:01:48
So the first thing is we'll hear from the city on that. 00:01:53
Chad. 00:01:57
Ingram, the applicant is not. 00:01:58
Here, OK, I don't know if we can go out of order and start with. 00:02:02
The second one and then. 00:02:05
Hopefully he. 00:02:08
Shows up OK. 00:02:09
So we'll go ahead and move to be, we'll be. 00:02:11
We'll think outside the box here. 00:02:13
And then so we're going to talk about the request for a new roof. 00:02:15
At the 200 Osborne. 00:02:20
Street. 00:02:21
And then we'll start with the city on there. Are there any comments from the city on there? 00:02:22
No, it's just that we're kind of doing this in a retrograde way. 00:02:27
It's already been done. 00:02:31
We think it's great. It looks way better than the old brown shingle roof. 00:02:33
So we're. 00:02:38
We are in support of what has been done. 00:02:39
Done. OK. 00:02:41
Awesome. And do we have any representation for that? 00:02:43
Come on up Sir, just state your name and your address. 00:02:46
Oh, just for the thank you, Sir. No, no issues at all, Sir. The microphone. Yes, Sir. Brandon Bailey and 359 Knuckle Place, St. 00:02:48
Mary's. 00:02:53
Yeah, the reason we do the mic is we have about 25,000 people that chime in. 00:02:57
From around the world. 00:03:01
So we just want to make sure that everybody. 00:03:03
Everybody hears you. 00:03:05
Go ahead. So basically, uh. 00:03:07
We were, I was. 00:03:10
In purchasing that building. 00:03:12
The Chris Awad was doing the remodeling inside. 00:03:15
The roof needed to be replaced. It was leaking. 00:03:19
So we replaced all the flat roof that was leaking and then there was a lot of issues with the shingle roof, so we went ahead and 00:03:21
replaced it. 00:03:25
Didn't actually know that we need to get approval on that. So we're here to retro. 00:03:29
Approve it. 00:03:33
Basically go. 00:03:34
Yeah. Thank you for that. 00:03:35
So we'll start, we'll go back. We'll go to the board here for now. But I just wanted to say I know that you all made me. 00:03:37
Be making some future changes on there. 00:03:42
But anything that happens, we just have to go through the board 1st just to make sure it's good. 00:03:44
Yeah, for future reference, you said I just, I actually didn't even own the building at the time I. 00:03:47
Think I closed on it like. 00:03:51
Three weeks ago, maybe. 00:03:53
OK. Yes, Sir. Yeah, congratulations on that, by the way. 00:03:54
Yeah. And so we'll go to the board on that. And I know this is retroactive, but just wanted to see if the board had any questions 00:03:58
or? 00:04:01
Anything of that nature. 00:04:04
I drove by there today and thought it was absolutely beautiful. Well, thank you. Appreciate it. 00:04:06
Really. Look good. Yeah, we do have some. 00:04:11
As well. Oh, I haven't had a chance to go in yet, We're waiting on some. 00:04:14
Some plans to, we want to submit later date to to do some outside areas and some landscaping and stuff on that lot on the right. 00:04:17
I was looking at. 00:04:25
Some of the old guidelines on roofs and. 00:04:26
It it looks like, you know, metal roof and it's in line with some of the. 00:04:30
Features Architectural features that are in the guidelines units. 00:04:35
Straight definitely didn't match anything on the building. Yeah, I feel like a different improvement, but. 00:04:40
I do apologize. Like I said I. 00:04:46
Didn't actually even know that I needed approval for that, or otherwise I would have. 00:04:48
Reproved. No, I totally understand, Sir. 00:04:51
Does anybody else have any questions or anything of that nature? 00:04:54
No, I agree. Thank you for coming tonight. Yeah, that means a lot. We need to. 00:04:57
Do we need to make a motion even my notes retro? Yeah, I would go ahead. 00:05:00
And with the. 00:05:05
The additions that. 00:05:06
There are two feather flags in the right of way that need to get out of there. 00:05:08
That's probably not your. 00:05:14
Your problem and. 00:05:15
He could put a sandwich board or something in the median. 00:05:17
So upon. 00:05:21
Complete approval for this would. 00:05:24
Need to be taken down because. 00:05:26
Are really only. 00:05:28
Request OK. 00:05:31
Not going to waste anytime here. 00:05:32
Yeah. Do we have a motion for that or? 00:05:35
I make a motion. We approve the request as submitted. 00:05:37
I'll second it. 00:05:40
All in favor say aye. 00:05:42
Aye, all right. Easy day. 00:05:43
Hey, thank you so much Sir. 00:05:45
Thank you. 00:05:46
And Brandon, I'll write you an approval letter over the next couple days, OK? 00:05:48
All right, so we're going to move back to the 126 Osborne. 00:05:55
Now let me ask you this question. Do we? 00:05:58
Need the owner to be here to. 00:06:01
Approve or deny this or. 00:06:04
We do OK. 00:06:06
I mean board of a representative or. 00:06:07
So maybe we just need to. 00:06:10
Uh, continue it to the next meeting, yeah. 00:06:14
Well, if you don't mind, let's give them a couple seconds. I did. If you don't mind, add to the agenda tonight the Main Street 00:06:16
conference that three of us attended in Fernandina. 00:06:20
If just quick, I'm just for the public. 00:06:24
Information Melvin and Cynthia attended the Main Street USA conference and lots of great historical information. 00:06:28
New different ways to repair stuccoes and. 00:06:37
And brickwork and. 00:06:41
And they talked a lot about flooding, and there were a lot of. 00:06:43
Management and leadership conferences and stuff, but. 00:06:47
Overall, great, great conference. 00:06:50
OK. It was for Florida. 00:06:53
And so that obviously there was a couple different things. And then the state of Georgia, I know Georgia is having one later in 00:06:54
Athens that we might have the opportunity to go through. 00:06:59
Whether it's virtual or not, but I think that that might be a little more applicable. But really good conference. 00:07:03
Great. Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, Second day, it was awesome. 00:07:10
I really enjoyed the experience overall. 00:07:13
We ended up getting some really good contacts and it was a good experience overall so. 00:07:15
I it was. It was awesome. 00:07:19
And I think that from that perspective, we just have a few more things that we have to get through. 00:07:22
So really the next portion of the agenda I think we should go to. 00:07:26
I do want to ask one question that is not on the agenda. 00:07:31
And maybe talk about that for a minute or two and then go straight to the Spencer house. 00:07:33
We'll skip the historic markers and then we'll. 00:07:37
We'll end with. 00:07:40
The new fine. 00:07:42
The new fine capability so. 00:07:44
So England, I wanted to ask a question about the. 00:07:46
The street. The street. 00:07:49
What do you call that? 00:07:52
Street dining. 00:07:53
Has anything come to light on that? 00:07:55
Yeah, parklets. 00:07:57
She's shaking her head yes. That will most likely go to council in September. 00:07:59
Awesome. OK, good to go. 00:08:04
I just want to make sure that didn't die on the vine. 00:08:06
OK, awesome. 00:08:10
OK. It's good to know we're making progress in that. 00:08:11
So with that said or did anybody have any questions on that? 00:08:13
OK, so then we'll go back to the agenda. 00:08:16
So we have the Spencer House renovations. 00:08:19
Do we, do we have any? Well, we'll start with the city first. The city have anything? 00:08:22
OK now now this is just. 00:08:26
A discussion, yes. 00:08:28
This is not an end. 00:08:30
All right, the painting portion of the house. 00:08:33
Is going to be happening. 00:08:36
And it's going to be a dark blue. 00:08:37
This board has no say on color. 00:08:40
So that is something you're going to start with. 00:08:42
Once they get to the renovation part. 00:08:44
Of the home which is going to be the. 00:08:47
The front. 00:08:49
Porch is whether they're going to stop painting. 00:08:50
Do the front porch renovations and then finish painting. But tonight we're going to show you. 00:08:53
And if you 2 could maybe come up and talk a little bit about it or you 3. 00:08:58
About. 00:09:02
The items that need to be repaired. 00:09:03
If you just state your name and your address, that would be great. 00:09:06
My name is Jane Alexander. My address is 101. 00:09:09
Bryant St. 00:09:13
And my name is Sean Ants. Thank you for having me this evening. I am at 607 Misty Harbor Blvd. in Woodbine. 00:09:15
Nice, let me just get this pulled up real quick. 00:09:22
And thank you for being here in. 00:09:28
By getting becoming, you know, being proactive at this. 00:09:29
Yeah, there's certainly we love, we love this because we can. 00:09:32
You know, obviously it makes things easier when we go to vote for it. 00:09:35
For you and. 00:09:38
And for us? 00:09:39
For sure. 00:09:40
Yeah, we like to be proactive and you know, I came down and met with Tage and the group in the in the building division. 00:09:41
Ahead of the. 00:09:48
Even quoting the painting project to the Spencer House to. 00:09:49
Make sure that we were checking all the boxes and that's ultimately, Melvin, how we ended up with the meeting that we had the 00:09:52
other day to kind of prepare and go over it and make sure that we didn't. 00:09:56
Need to officially secure an approval, but it was decided. 00:10:00
In that meeting, it would just be a good opportunity to come and meet with you guys, talk about what we're doing and then. 00:10:04
Jane has some renovation projects that. 00:10:09
I've just been kind of helping her. 00:10:12
You know, get to the point of selecting a. 00:10:14
General contractor to do that piece and we're just going to handle. 00:10:17
You know, kind of the. 00:10:20
Painting, handyman type work and the general contractor work. 00:10:21
And all this stuff. Awesome. 00:10:25
So I think we can just kind of go. 00:10:27
Through some of these pictures, I know they're a little bit. 00:10:29
Kind of hard to see from a distance, but. 00:10:31
And you can see now this is the. 00:10:34
Second story balcony is what we're looking at right now. 00:10:37
And this is. 00:10:39
The roof of it. 00:10:40
You can see it's in disrepair. 00:10:42
A lot of these columns. 00:10:46
As you can tell. 00:10:48
You need to be prepared. 00:10:49
You take a walk outside on top of this and it's squishy. 00:10:51
Oh, sounds like a fun time. 00:10:54
Yeah, so. 00:10:57
We've had it closed off for about. 00:10:59
Two years now. 00:11:01
So here's. 00:11:04
Jane, actually. 00:11:06
Created this so I will. 00:11:07
Definitely give her the. 00:11:09
Recognition. 00:11:11
With this, Jane, what do you do? What do you do over there? 00:11:12
So I manage. 00:11:15
Kind of all the operations there. And then I did manage Cedar Oak when we had it open and then I do a lot at our other property, 00:11:17
Osprey. 00:11:20
OK, awesome. 00:11:24
So these are kind of a little bit jumbled up. I apologize. 00:11:26
Here are some more of the. 00:11:31
Damage you see that needs to be repaired along with the floorboards. 00:11:32
More floorboards. You know, I'm thinking this. 00:11:38
Also needs to be repaired here. 00:11:41
Yeah, there were some question with. 00:11:43
Becky, about the height of the railing going back and that'll all be addressed with the general contractor when we never apply for 00:11:45
the permits. Yeah, correct. 00:11:49
Yeah, just some more damage just to kind of show what's going on up there. 00:11:57
And again picture. 00:12:03
Of the. 00:12:04
It looks very stately. 00:12:08
And I really love the. 00:12:11
The lighter tone. 00:12:14
Room refunded Front. 00:12:16
Paint blue. They have Paint blue Jinx. 00:12:19
So this is just a guy that. 00:12:26
Giving you guys a heads up of what's perfect. 00:12:27
Going to become and I understand you you. 00:12:30
Change you've been in contact with. 00:12:32
A contractor who deals with. 00:12:34
Homes and different things in the the historic district. 00:12:37
So they have. 00:12:41
Historic district background. 00:12:42
From the conversation we had earlier with them at our office, so. 00:12:45
I I wanted to just take a second to compliment the landscaping. 00:12:50
It's really looks beautiful. I've noticed that the last time I was by there and it's just just gorgeous. It's going to really 00:12:56
compliment the the beautiful. 00:13:01
Oh my God, no, that's great. 00:13:09
Very excited. 00:13:13
To finally get it. 00:13:15
Help me so so I actually want to jump in this really fast so like so the way this. 00:13:16
Obviously I'm really excited about this. I wanted to see what we can do to help. 00:13:22
So like, what questions do you have? 00:13:26
That we can help you get ahead of some of the things. 00:13:29
So like, you know, are you going to be using? What's your plan to use the? 00:13:32
You know wood, you know, or. 00:13:36
So in terms of the trim, there was. 00:13:38
A few repairs done to it just out of necessity. 00:13:41
Prior to us being engaged. 00:13:44
And there was dissimilar materials and things like that, so. 00:13:46
If we determine that anything needs to be replaced, I've got a. 00:13:50
Caveat in our proposal to replace that like for like. 00:13:54
Good. That's wonderful. Going back with the same aesthetics and. 00:13:58
If we come across areas where it's easy enough to. 00:14:01
Pull the the boards out that are dissimilar. We may talk to Jane about going ahead and. 00:14:05
Getting that replaced. 00:14:10
The roof was done. 00:14:11
And some of the edges and and lines are kind of. 00:14:13
Kind of awkward looking, so we're going to actually paint them to match the building so that it kind of hides that into the. 00:14:18
Architecture of the building and. 00:14:24
We're going to be working for about a month. 00:14:27
On the project. 00:14:29
You know, we're trying to make sure that they're. 00:14:31
You know, clientele can still come in and access the property and have, you know, access to certain areas. 00:14:33
At certain times, and so I will. 00:14:39
Make sure that everybody has my contact information if there's. 00:14:42
Anything that we're doing to be disruptive to the community, please call me. It's not complaining. 00:14:45
We want to be good stewards of our, you know, our neighbors and whatnot, so. 00:14:51
Tage has reached out on several occasions and you know. 00:14:55
I know his company and I've seen the work that they that they do in Fernadina they're. 00:15:00
Good, good people. 00:15:05
So, umm. 00:15:06
I was going to ask with with that said too like. 00:15:07
I'm really excited about this. 00:15:09
Do we? I mean what we need to approve for this? 00:15:11
Nothing. Yeah. So it doesn't really seem information giving session. 00:15:15
Yeah, because this is a chance for Jane to ask questions. 00:15:19
For you to ask questions. 00:15:23
So depending. 00:15:24
The next meeting or a meeting after that? 00:15:27
She's prepared to come with it. 00:15:29
To and. 00:15:31
The materials and. 00:15:33
Yeah, and I was going to ask you and looking at the and I'm kind of getting ahead of myself here. 00:15:35
Like in looking at these pictures like. 00:15:39
If he needed to do I'm. 00:15:42
In with respect to the Board. 00:15:43
If you need to replace those columns or something online, we have to approve that. 00:15:45
Yeah, like for like. 00:15:48
No, but we appreciate you bringing in front of us. But anything that's the alteration from the original design. But I have to tell 00:15:50
you, I've lived here a long time and everybody goes go past that pink house. 00:15:55
And then turn right. I don't know what we're going to do in the future. It's beautiful, absolutely stunning. So I'm very excited 00:16:00
to see some stuff done here. 00:16:04
Yeah, I guess from my perspective, I would just ask you guys back if there's. 00:16:09
Things that I can do to help prepare Jane. 00:16:14
For presenting to you. 00:16:17
When the permit is submitted and all that occurs. 00:16:20
You know, specific. 00:16:23
Things that you can help us. 00:16:25
You know, be better prepared for that meeting. We want, I think the. 00:16:26
The application process is really clear. I think the thing that we've had a tough time with in the past is. 00:16:30
Material list and building lists and real schematics of what it's going to look like when the. 00:16:36
The product is finished. You know, we don't have a paint palette for our historic district, so thank you for sticking with 00:16:41
something that's in line with what. 00:16:45
What's historic? But umm. 00:16:49
Yeah, probably just the materials list and a real. 00:16:50
Understanding for us to grasp of what's going to what it's going to look like when it's finished. Thank you. 00:16:53
Yeah, it'll look like. 00:16:59
Basically this. I mean, we have no intention really of changing anything. 00:17:01
Out of other than a necessity to change, the only discussion that we've had about potential changes is the railing that's there is 00:17:04
low. 00:17:08
And by code it is likely going to require a taller rail, but it would be the same exact design, look and finish. It will just be 00:17:13
safe. 00:17:17
Taller and safer based on. 00:17:21
Thank you requirements. 00:17:23
Yeah, this sounds gonna be pretty easy. 00:17:26
Awesome. 00:17:29
Yeah, we look forward to working with you. 00:17:30
Yeah, no problem. Thank you for your time, Sir. And I just have a couple more things to say. 00:17:33
The two non parking. 00:17:40
Besides, you have on the South side of the building. There's no parking. You'll be towed. 00:17:42
That city property? 00:17:46
That that's in the city right of way. 00:17:48
The science got to move. That's public parking. 00:17:50
You can put him in the back. 00:17:54
Where your parking is meant to be. 00:17:55
Yet on the side, like if you're looking straight at your building, the parking on the side right here, that is city right away. 00:18:00
So anybody can park there, even people who are staying there can. 00:18:06
There, but it can't be exclusive to your problem. 00:18:10
The parking in the back. 00:18:13
The building is that was what that is meant for and you can put those signs back there in case anybody. 00:18:15
Places that and then. 00:18:21
That the T sign you guys have out? 00:18:23
That that can't be there, but. 00:18:26
What I would suggest you do is get a sandwich board. 00:18:28
And put it in the median. 00:18:31
And you could have your daily. 00:18:33
You know, tea. 00:18:35
Specials or whatever you have going on. 00:18:37
That way so we can put it in a medium, yes, but. But more like a sandwich board. Yeah, yeah, not that sign, but. 00:18:39
More like you'll see like. 00:18:46
Divine did in the bookstore. 00:18:48
What those folks did, that's. 00:18:50
The kind of. 00:18:52
What I would follow. I've got a question for you about those. Those have to be removed every day. 00:18:53
No, yes. 00:18:57
Now they're supposed to be. 00:19:00
Not everybody does it, but they're supposed to be taken. 00:19:02
OK, OK. 00:19:09
Did you want to? 00:19:12
No. 00:19:14
So. So that would be my only. 00:19:16
Request. 00:19:18
Just so whenever you come back. 00:19:19
That you're totally in compliance and there's no. 00:19:21
Issues OK. 00:19:23
Yeah, and the one thing too I'll say too is like the. 00:19:25
You know, becomes a bureaucracy sometimes. I think the board here, we're pretty good at proving most things like that I come 00:19:28
through and that are within reason. 00:19:31
With something this big, it can go back and forth. 00:19:35
Like it'll like. 00:19:37
You know every month, right? So we'll come back. 00:19:38
Oh yeah, you didn't have this one thing. 00:19:40
So we have to go back and then. 00:19:42
You come back the next month and then you know, I mean. 00:19:44
So it's good that you're getting ahead of it that way we can. 00:19:46
You know, just boom, knock it out and be done. 00:19:49
Well, that's that's why we engaged. 00:19:53
Proactively. Yep. 00:19:55
To make sure super smart. 00:19:57
And we appreciate that. 00:19:59
Thank you and congratulations. 00:20:00
Yes. 00:20:03
It's gonna be awesome. 00:20:03
Thanks so much. 00:20:05
Thank you. 00:20:06
Thank you all for your time. Thank you very much. Thank you and. 00:20:07
Think we have? 00:20:11
The retroactive, I'm sorry, the new fine. 00:20:13
The side of the city. What do you all want to kind of let us know what that looks like? 00:20:16
I just wanted to. 00:20:20
That e-mail just lets you know that's now in place and the historic district does have a line item. 00:20:21
With finance, so any. 00:20:27
Finds that we do. 00:20:29
Get for folks do not file. COA can go into that. 00:20:31
Line item and we can use. 00:20:34
Those funds for maybe? 00:20:37
The signage if we decide to, or other projects that we're not able to get federal funding. 00:20:39
Just for the public, can you explain those fines? 00:20:44
And how, I mean how they come about. 00:20:47
I don't think we've talked about them. 00:20:49
File for COA and you're supposed to. 00:20:52
And they didn't, and they did the work. 00:20:55
Then you're going to have to come retroactively and along with that it's going to be $1000. OK, thank you. I have a question about 00:20:57
that. 00:21:00
Can are if they. 00:21:03
Up if somebody. 00:21:06
Submits an application for building permits or something like that in their in their in the historic district. 00:21:07
Are those? 00:21:13
Building permits issued without a. 00:21:13
COA. 00:21:16
No, they should not be. They should not be. So somebody should have a heads up before they do the work. I mean, I'm thinking about 00:21:17
somebody that's been living here for, you know, 20 years or whatever, and they don't. 00:21:23
Necessarily know that they're supposed to have a COA. 00:21:28
So that the building permits will not, should not be issued before the COA is going to be submitted together so. 00:21:31
They should be submitted. They can be. 00:21:38
Yeah. 00:21:41
Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying as a protection for the, for the. 00:21:43
Owner the property owners and and so it doesn't come around and. 00:21:48
Bought them, you know, on the backside is that. 00:21:52
Maybe we should. 00:21:55
Try to have it so that the building permits are not issued without an approval of the COA in the in the historic district, No, 00:21:56
Yeah, they they would. 00:22:00
Okay. 00:22:04
Perfect an issue, a approval before. 00:22:06
That's the start. 00:22:08
We're moving forward anybody that has a COA application. 00:22:10
It's coming to our office and we're talking about it. 00:22:14
That's very first start. We'll talk about moving forward. 00:22:17
What they need to do after that? 00:22:20
Yeah, and I'll say this publicly too. It's like. 00:22:22
I hope we see zero finds. 00:22:25
You know what I mean? I hope that we work towards 0 fines. 00:22:28
Yeah, yeah. 00:22:31
You never know. 00:22:33
You know and. 00:22:34
What is there should help us in some way? 00:22:36
Where we're able to get. 00:22:38
Funds federally or from the state. 00:22:40
For our own projects. 00:22:43
Yeah. 00:22:44
I think it just helps have a more bite also. 00:22:45
Just in case, right? And also I think it's going to be like. 00:22:50
Spread the word a little bit. 00:22:53
Yeah. 00:22:55
You should probably check with the city before you do anything. 00:22:56
An historic district. 00:23:00
So I think it's. 00:23:01
Yeah, I think one of the issues for me is a relative newcomer is. 00:23:03
The delineation of the historic district. 00:23:07
As Mr. Raley said that. 00:23:10
You know, he wasn't aware that. 00:23:13
He was on the historic property and needed that certificate of appropriateness that we just approved, so I'm just wondering how we 00:23:15
can. 00:23:19
Educate and let people know. 00:23:24
There's a map on the website that clearly defines where the. 00:23:27
Historic district does. 00:23:30
People need to just be aware of it. 00:23:32
There's also been some talk about. 00:23:35
Possibly putting together a flyer just to let folks know what they need COA for. I think that's a good idea. 00:23:38
Yes, our historic district is not huge. 00:23:44
So. 00:23:48
You know. 00:23:49
I think that would be a good idea we've been talking about. 00:23:51
Is there a way to put it maybe on the? 00:23:54
Water bill or something like that also do that. 00:23:57
That might be a little helpful. They just kind of. 00:24:01
Kind of thought. 00:24:03
I think the more that we can get ahead of it, the better. 00:24:06
That way somebody's not surprised that. 00:24:09
That's a lot of money. 00:24:11
From some of us, maybe some not. 00:24:13
$1000 yes, for the retroactive even though the work was completed before you passed the bill, Yeah. 00:24:17
I don't think that's right, but. 00:24:23
Eric, do you want to come up and state your name and address? 00:24:25
In my boss. 00:24:28
Yeah, I mean, I didn't build. 00:24:31
Do you want to? 00:24:32
Do you want to come up and say your name and address just because we have people in the? 00:24:34
Caught him for the for the Bailey. 00:24:38
359 Michael Place again. 00:24:40
No. I mean, I mean, I'll pay the $1000, I don't really care, but I don't think that's fair. 00:24:44
Especially since it was passed after the work was complete. 00:24:48
And after the permit was spooled. 00:24:51
Mr. Bailey, you did not own the building when that work was done. That's correct. 00:24:53
Who owned the building? 00:24:59
Jeremy Nelson, mentor. That's where the fine should come from. 00:25:00
As far as I'm concerned. 00:25:04
Yeah, I agree. 00:25:06
That's right. I mean, he also didn't have anything to do with the renovations either. 00:25:07
Wow, but. 00:25:11
Where he owned a building and renovations weren't being were being done and he didn't know about them. 00:25:13
I mean, he knew about him, yes. OK. 00:25:17
Yeah, iPhone in this case that we just. 00:25:19
Waving conversation I need to have. 00:25:22
OK, Absolutely. OK. 00:25:25
OK. I mean, yeah, especially since like the work was completed. 00:25:27
The permit was pulled and all that was decided before you passed that rule, and then you passed the rule after all the work's 00:25:31
done. 00:25:34
Before you even notified me. 00:25:37
And why'd you let the work get completed? 00:25:39
Without notifying anybody. 00:25:41
I did y'all drop out every day? 00:25:42
No one told me until doctor was already finished every day. 00:25:44
You don't. 00:25:48
No, it's $150.00 for me. I know. 00:25:49
I don't drive light every day, so here's what I will say. I think that it looks like we need to work some things out here. 00:25:51
And we'll, we'll talk and I'll make sure that I kind of follow up with this as well. 00:25:58
So it sounds like the decision maker on that is not here right now. 00:26:02
So we'll, we'll definitely follow up in. 00:26:06
Make sure. 00:26:08
Because if there were. 00:26:10
You know, multiple people, multiple parties involved. We need to figure out. 00:26:12
Where the findings to go? 00:26:16
Yeah, yeah. But I understand your frustration. 00:26:17
I get it. 00:26:20
I get it. 00:26:21
You know, it's not $1000 fine, it's just that's not fair. 00:26:22
Yeah. 00:26:25
Not not to pass the law, pass a rule. 00:26:26
A fine after somebody had already completed something. 00:26:29
And then try to read, you know, make a retroactive that's that's. 00:26:32
Yeah, yeah, like I said. 00:26:36
My boss in our department about it, yeah. 00:26:39
No, that's fair. 00:26:44
That's right. All right. Is there anything else on the agenda? 00:26:45
Only Mr. Ingrams, and he's still not here. 00:26:49
OK. And then anything else besides that? 00:26:51
Do we have any public comments? 00:26:56
Is there anything prohibiting us from? 00:26:58
From discussing Ingram. 00:27:00
Voting on it if we if there's a. 00:27:02
Yeah, we can't do that. We can't do that. OK, Sorry, owners have to be here. 00:27:05
OK, sorry or representative. 00:27:09
Representative. 00:27:11
OK, well. 00:27:13
I don't, you know, this is like we're half an hour in here, man. 00:27:15
So I think we. 00:27:18
We can. 00:27:19
You can call it a day. 00:27:20
Zuri and listening about says anything we can, we can adjourn. 00:27:21
Do we have a motion? 00:27:25
I'll make a motion to adjourn. 00:27:26
I'll second it. 00:27:27
All in favor say aye. 00:27:29
All right. 00:27:31
That was quick. 00:27:33
Yeah. And I understand that we're not charged. 00:27:35