3rd Quarter Town Hall Mtg
Transcript
| OK. Good evening. I'd like to call the quarterly town hall meeting for. | 00:00:03 | |
| This corner to. | 00:00:09 | |
| To order. | 00:00:11 | |
| If you would like to make some comments, ask questions, share anything with the. | 00:00:13 | |
| City Council, please come to the podium and give us your name and address. | 00:00:19 | |
| And try to respect the. | 00:00:23 | |
| 5 minute time limit. | 00:00:25 | |
| Please. | 00:00:26 | |
| Valerie Fouts, 310 W Bryant St. | 00:00:34 | |
| I'm, I'm curious and I have a question to ask You all touched on it the other night with part of your agenda. | 00:00:38 | |
| And it had to do with the exit 1. | 00:00:45 | |
| And I guess the question I have is about two years ago when we actually. | 00:00:47 | |
| The community actually was aware. | 00:00:54 | |
| Of Exit 1 and the Sparkle project. | 00:00:57 | |
| Do what? Oh. | 00:01:01 | |
| Never mind, I'm sorry, I thought I had feedback. | 00:01:03 | |
| At the time, I was under the impression that we had several public comments as well Opportunities. | 00:01:06 | |
| That it was an open concept. | 00:01:12 | |
| Project. | 00:01:15 | |
| Basically along the lines of. | 00:01:16 | |
| The one in Yulee. | 00:01:19 | |
| The wildlife. | 00:01:20 | |
| Which had, you know, open. | 00:01:21 | |
| And and various houses and apartments and whatever. | 00:01:23 | |
| And businesses that were going to be there. | 00:01:26 | |
| And, and probably we would have been able to utilize that as the citizens as well if and. | 00:01:28 | |
| Eye doctor was over there. | 00:01:34 | |
| Or if someone wanted to walk their dog around a walking path. 1 evening. | 00:01:35 | |
| So at one point I need to ask you all. | 00:01:40 | |
| When did it go from that concept? | 00:01:44 | |
| And of course, this was after the bond was set or, you know, for 35 million. | 00:01:47 | |
| And there was a lot of talk about that as well. | 00:01:52 | |
| And I do understand and remember that Mayor Morrissey. | 00:01:55 | |
| He he gave, you know, he basically said, you know this. | 00:01:59 | |
| May not be such a great thing and I cannot support this, but. | 00:02:03 | |
| He got over, wrote twice, vetoed. I think we were all there. | 00:02:07 | |
| But by the same token. | 00:02:11 | |
| When did it become? | 00:02:13 | |
| A gated community golf resort. | 00:02:16 | |
| And I want to know, it kind of came on as a surprise to me because I came to a council meeting and you all had a representative | 00:02:19 | |
| here talking about it. | 00:02:23 | |
| And I remember thinking, wait, what? | 00:02:27 | |
| This doesn't sound the same. | 00:02:29 | |
| And I think even at one point. | 00:02:31 | |
| Umm, they're talking about possibly down the road, umm. | 00:02:34 | |
| Building an extra school. | 00:02:38 | |
| And that was kind of brought up. And that was like, oh, yeah, that may be, you know, a thing down the road. | 00:02:40 | |
| But by the same token, I'm just kind of curious as. | 00:02:45 | |
| How a project? | 00:02:49 | |
| Went from. | 00:02:51 | |
| This one. | 00:02:52 | |
| To that one. | 00:02:53 | |
| And the public wasn't aware of it until it was presented by the gentleman who represented the new project. | 00:02:54 | |
| And again, it's gated. | 00:03:01 | |
| And it's private. | 00:03:04 | |
| And it's exclusive. | 00:03:06 | |
| And I'm paying for it. | 00:03:08 | |
| So I guess The thing is, when did this change? How did it change? | 00:03:10 | |
| Was the public made aware of it? | 00:03:14 | |
| Is there something on the contract? | 00:03:16 | |
| That basically hopped from one project to the other. I mean, I'm just wondering is that not something that should have been made? | 00:03:20 | |
| Public. | 00:03:27 | |
| So if anybody could answer that for me and Lynn, I do appreciate your fiscal responsibility on a lot of the things that come up as | 00:03:28 | |
| far as the budget. | 00:03:32 | |
| And then speaking the other night about. | 00:03:36 | |
| That leaves us what with 14,014 million then to kind of play with before we have to come back and ask for the other $60 million | 00:03:39 | |
| that is going to probably come up. | 00:03:44 | |
| In 2026. | 00:03:49 | |
| And I'll be honest with you when I get off exit 1. | 00:03:51 | |
| And I see the land now that is completely clear and void of the trees. | 00:03:54 | |
| It gives me heartburn. | 00:03:59 | |
| And, and I kind of feel like we just kind of got shafted. | 00:04:02 | |
| Without knowing it. | 00:04:05 | |
| So I would like to understand what happened, when it happened, and can this possibly not ever happen again without the public | 00:04:07 | |
| knowing? | 00:04:10 | |
| Happening. | 00:04:14 | |
| Thank you very much. | 00:04:15 | |
| So I'll speak to a couple of things. I mean, obviously some of this. | 00:04:18 | |
| You know, predated. | 00:04:21 | |
| Me being on council but the. | 00:04:22 | |
| Wind radiant. | 00:04:26 | |
| The developed or the property owner sold. | 00:04:27 | |
| The property to Taylor Morrison. | 00:04:30 | |
| You know they came forth with. | 00:04:34 | |
| Their concept, which was. | 00:04:35 | |
| A gated community with a golf course and and whatnot so. | 00:04:37 | |
| I suppose that was at the time that. | 00:04:41 | |
| You know it became gated. | 00:04:43 | |
| You know there are commercial out parcels up front that will not be behind the gates that will. You know, if they put in a new | 00:04:45 | |
| grocery store, doctor's offices. | 00:04:49 | |
| Those kinds of things, those will be accessible to the public. | 00:04:54 | |
| The north side of the. | 00:04:58 | |
| Saint Mary's. | 00:05:01 | |
| Street in Saint Mary's Road there. | 00:05:02 | |
| You know, from what I've heard, as far as what they're playing on there, you know, is not to be a gated community. There would be. | 00:05:07 | |
| Potential housing and townhomes and. | 00:05:13 | |
| Additional commercial retail there. | 00:05:16 | |
| That, uh. | 00:05:18 | |
| Would not be in a gated community, so there will certainly be a mixture of that. | 00:05:19 | |
| Umm, I do want to kind of also clarify that. | 00:05:25 | |
| The You know we're not. | 00:05:27 | |
| Specifically paying for what's happening out there. You know there is a tad district. | 00:05:30 | |
| And the people who pay property taxes out there on that property are the ones that are paying for. | 00:05:36 | |
| That Chad at this point in time. | 00:05:43 | |
| Now yes, if the. | 00:05:45 | |
| Property, uh. | 00:05:46 | |
| If the development went belly up. | 00:05:47 | |
| And uh. | 00:05:50 | |
| You know, there were no property taxes coming in. The loan came due. | 00:05:52 | |
| Then it would, yes, fall back to taxpayers. But. | 00:05:55 | |
| That is not currently. | 00:05:58 | |
| What's happening the development out there? | 00:06:00 | |
| Is well ahead of schedule and so the property values. | 00:06:04 | |
| Rising already. | 00:06:08 | |
| Umm, and. | 00:06:09 | |
| It is set to generate enough. | 00:06:12 | |
| Property tax and TAD revenue. | 00:06:17 | |
| To pay the. | 00:06:19 | |
| The bond. | 00:06:20 | |
| And uh. | 00:06:21 | |
| In fact, the way it's designed and the length of the TAD. | 00:06:23 | |
| That it should generate those excess revenues above the original TAD. | 00:06:27 | |
| Bond payment. | 00:06:33 | |
| To make the infrastructure improvements. | 00:06:34 | |
| On the Northside and that type of thing as it continues so. | 00:06:37 | |
| Hopefully there will not have to be another bond for the additional infrastructure. | 00:06:41 | |
| It'll be able to be paid from. | 00:06:46 | |
| The increasing CAD revenues. | 00:06:48 | |
| From the property tax. | 00:06:50 | |
| You know, obviously that was Mayor Marcy's. | 00:06:52 | |
| Concern was. | 00:06:55 | |
| You know if it doesn't happen. | 00:06:57 | |
| Then we would the city would be stuck with that. We the taxpayers. | 00:06:58 | |
| Uh, but what's currently happening and? | 00:07:02 | |
| The progress is well above well ahead of schedule that was originally laid out for the bond repayment. | 00:07:05 | |
| The valuations are increasing faster than the original. | 00:07:11 | |
| Computations that the repayment schedule was created under. | 00:07:16 | |
| So we're right now well ahead of schedule and. | 00:07:20 | |
| But who knows what will happen next year? I can't speak to that, you know, but. | 00:07:24 | |
| That's where we are now. So right now it's not. | 00:07:29 | |
| Other than ours, we have staff time and. | 00:07:31 | |
| Those kinds of things that are involved in any development. | 00:07:33 | |
| That we as taxpayers, you know, support, but the direct infrastructure and the things that are going on out there. | 00:07:36 | |
| You know, are not coming out of taxpayer dollars specifically so. | 00:07:44 | |
| I don't know if I answered all your questions or not, but. | 00:07:48 | |
| German and I do understand as well. | 00:07:51 | |
| Yeah, that is the bond, excuse me, that we be paying the interest on. | 00:07:54 | |
| And when you when you're saying that that property taxes are there, I guess? | 00:07:58 | |
| That's one way to look at it, but I'm thinking that, Chad the other night said at one point. | 00:08:03 | |
| That you were thinking that they were going to be building businesses first so that we could start getting that revenue. | 00:08:08 | |
| We don't know. Like you said, the economy could turn in 5 minutes. It happened in 2008. | 00:08:16 | |
| OK. When we had that housing issue. | 00:08:21 | |
| At that point, we're not making any money to pay on a bond. | 00:08:25 | |
| So that's my concern. I mean, I know it's not tax money. | 00:08:28 | |
| It's a bond and we the interest is going to be coming in on it is going to be due. | 00:08:32 | |
| Can you alltel me when it's due the first installment? | 00:08:37 | |
| One of the things to understand as we did take the $35 million revenue bond, the 1st. | 00:08:39 | |
| Few years we have set aside $5,000,000 out of that. | 00:08:48 | |
| To pay the early years. | 00:08:53 | |
| To help us. | 00:08:55 | |
| You know, build some momentum on the development and you did explain that the other evening. I appreciate that. | 00:08:56 | |
| Greg's point? | 00:09:02 | |
| In the financial projections that I've looked at. | 00:09:04 | |
| We are setting aside. | 00:09:07 | |
| From the tax revenues and right now that would be, you know, the owners of the land are Taylor Morrison and Radiant until they | 00:09:10 | |
| sell it to somebody else. So they're going to have to. | 00:09:14 | |
| Pay the tax. | 00:09:19 | |
| I think we are setting aside. | 00:09:20 | |
| A reserve out of. | 00:09:24 | |
| Money that we get for the phase two development and that's fiscally responsible. | 00:09:27 | |
| I think the thing that I'm concerned about. | 00:09:32 | |
| We look at the Jacobi project. | 00:09:36 | |
| You know at this point. | 00:09:38 | |
| Yeah, it's not going to be anything right now. It's not what it was supposed to be. | 00:09:40 | |
| So I think that the JDA has paid. | 00:09:46 | |
| To tax payments, to tax bills, that's my concern. | 00:09:49 | |
| And again, that's where the heartburn comes. So, you know, I just. | 00:09:53 | |
| We gotta yeah, doesn't have to pay close attention to it, and I think that we are now. | 00:09:58 | |
| But, you know, as Greg points out, nobody can predict the future. So absolutely thank you. | 00:10:04 | |
| And thank you, Amy, could you? | 00:10:10 | |
| Please address the multimodal. | 00:10:12 | |
| Paths and where those will be located and whether or not. | 00:10:15 | |
| They're open to the public. | 00:10:19 | |
| Can you hear me? | 00:10:23 | |
| Yeah, OK, great. Thank you. Thank you very much, Council and members of the public. | 00:10:32 | |
| I did want to address some of Mrs. Spouses concerns in addition to speak to some of the public improvements. | 00:10:37 | |
| That are in the Exit 1 development. | 00:10:45 | |
| So, uh. | 00:10:47 | |
| If you've noticed, at the bend of Saint Mary's Road as you're traveling. | 00:10:48 | |
| East. | 00:10:53 | |
| They have started the beginning of what will be Esplanade Blvd. which is the major intersection that will run. | 00:10:54 | |
| South and north. | 00:11:02 | |
| In that area. | 00:11:04 | |
| Right there, there will be a gross a grocery. | 00:11:06 | |
| Tenant. It is my understanding that that letter of intent. | 00:11:10 | |
| Has if not been signed as in the works between radiant to still. | 00:11:14 | |
| Both the master development of the land that is not Taylor Morrison's. | 00:11:18 | |
| On the north side of there, there will also be commercial pods. All of that will be. | 00:11:23 | |
| Designed in a way that. | 00:11:28 | |
| Still keeps a. | 00:11:30 | |
| A minimal. | 00:11:32 | |
| A bit of a tree cover similar to what we see in front of Osprey Cove. So those commercial office spaces, those are open to the | 00:11:34 | |
| public. | 00:11:38 | |
| But they're designed in a way that is off the road, so you'll see that similar. | 00:11:41 | |
| Design pattern for the commercial. | 00:11:46 | |
| Along the southern. | 00:11:49 | |
| Part of Saint Mary's Road. | 00:11:52 | |
| Beginning at just a little bit off of the Haddock Rd. intersection. | 00:11:53 | |
| We will be doing a multimodal path. | 00:12:00 | |
| This will be within the city's right of way. | 00:12:02 | |
| So you look at the edge of pavement. | 00:12:05 | |
| 26 feet in to try to shelter it a little bit from that fast moving traffic. | 00:12:07 | |
| Will begin a series of. | 00:12:13 | |
| Very beautifully designed and planted. | 00:12:15 | |
| Shrubs and vegetation. A winding multimodal path that will be 10 feet wide. | 00:12:19 | |
| With a series of pocket parks. | 00:12:24 | |
| The idea is to go all the way up to the edge of the Osprey Cove. | 00:12:27 | |
| Land and then work with. | 00:12:32 | |
| Asperico residents and the tag funding to continue that multimodal path. | 00:12:34 | |
| Over I mean. | 00:12:39 | |
| You know, big picture, at some point we come down off of Saint Mary's Road, we pick up the interchange and look, we're on Osborne | 00:12:41 | |
| and maybe we can get ourselves to Midtown. So that's the multimodal path. Thank you. | 00:12:47 | |
| How you doing? | 00:13:17 | |
| Richard Gamble, 107 Dilworth Street, Saint Mary's, Georgia. | 00:13:18 | |
| Dear Mayor. | 00:13:23 | |
| Adi, I like your song, Jones. | 00:13:27 | |
| And lean, clean and lean king. | 00:13:31 | |
| I was contacted by. | 00:13:35 | |
| As a coach, so I. | 00:13:40 | |
| I was contacted by. | 00:13:43 | |
| Dependable, Mr. Ma. | 00:13:44 | |
| The next day. | 00:13:46 | |
| After I appeared here before you about the city right away ditches. | 00:13:47 | |
| It gave me a warm feeling that I had achieved one of my 2 objectives. | 00:13:51 | |
| I would later discover I was wrong. | 00:13:56 | |
| I think you should know my motivation so you can gauge the fight in me. | 00:14:00 | |
| If needed. | 00:14:04 | |
| As an unbaptized Jehovah Witness, a recent lesson said. | 00:14:06 | |
| Love and do for others. | 00:14:11 | |
| And Jehovah God will love and do for you. | 00:14:13 | |
| I walked that path. | 00:14:16 | |
| I revisit Billy Wilson. | 00:14:19 | |
| And also met his. | 00:14:21 | |
| His wife, Hattie. | 00:14:22 | |
| With a pretty smooth skin. | 00:14:24 | |
| She was seated in some type of mobile device. | 00:14:26 | |
| I inquired about the tree. | 00:14:29 | |
| And was told. | 00:14:31 | |
| Had it cut it down. | 00:14:33 | |
| Heavy cut it down. | 00:14:38 | |
| My heart sank. | 00:14:41 | |
| Headed to stride how she cut most of the tree using. | 00:14:43 | |
| Heads close. | 00:14:47 | |
| She then hired someone with a chainsaw. | 00:14:50 | |
| To cut the remainder. | 00:14:53 | |
| I focused on having. | 00:14:55 | |
| As she spoke and tried to visualize. | 00:14:57 | |
| How this frail appearing? | 00:14:59 | |
| Woman cut down the tree. | 00:15:02 | |
| Billy is 92. | 00:15:05 | |
| And I'm gonna give them. | 00:15:06 | |
| Minds and Denise relationship 10 years. | 00:15:08 | |
| Let's say hat is 82. | 00:15:11 | |
| I. | 00:15:19 | |
| Hattie was stimulated by anger. | 00:15:21 | |
| I believe had embedded. | 00:15:25 | |
| Billy thought as I. | 00:15:26 | |
| That the tree was finally going to be removed. | 00:15:28 | |
| Only later to learn differently. | 00:15:31 | |
| Let me say something about Mr. Ma. | 00:15:36 | |
| He's done 4 things for me. | 00:15:38 | |
| And I'm gonna just tell you about 1. | 00:15:40 | |
| When my truck motor was being rebuilt. | 00:15:43 | |
| I went six weeks without a vehicle. I had to ride my bicycle to the base to swim. | 00:15:46 | |
| And a tree. | 00:15:51 | |
| We had a storm and it blew the tree over there. | 00:15:52 | |
| Sidewalk. I contacted Mr. Ma. | 00:15:55 | |
| And I say now. | 00:15:58 | |
| This, this ain't no danger. | 00:15:59 | |
| I said just something. | 00:16:01 | |
| My ride better. | 00:16:02 | |
| Which removed the treatment. | 00:16:04 | |
| It was gone the next day. | 00:16:05 | |
| Day I was so shocked you when I wrote by and saw that tree gone. | 00:16:07 | |
| I had a great swim that day. | 00:16:13 | |
| Well, anyway, let's let's get back to the subject. | 00:16:15 | |
| So when when Mr. Mark called me and told me, he was going out there to look at it. | 00:16:19 | |
| I thought they were going to cut the tree. | 00:16:25 | |
| I have two chainsaws. I could have cut the tree down. | 00:16:26 | |
| My request was on behalf of Billy and Hattie. | 00:16:30 | |
| Someone failed me in two ways. | 00:16:34 | |
| By not fulfilling the test. | 00:16:37 | |
| And more importantly. | 00:16:39 | |
| Not communicating a no reply and the reason why? | 00:16:41 | |
| Communication. | 00:16:46 | |
| We should never. | 00:16:49 | |
| No, I want to define we. | 00:16:50 | |
| We meaning me. | 00:16:52 | |
| You, the audience. | 00:16:55 | |
| The citizen of Saint Mary's. | 00:16:56 | |
| We should never forget. | 00:16:58 | |
| That you. | 00:17:00 | |
| Work for us. | 00:17:01 | |
| Tonight, I'm here remind you. | 00:17:04 | |
| I again ask that you feel. | 00:17:07 | |
| Randall and Kimberly Hendricks *****. | 00:17:09 | |
| At 7:09. | 00:17:11 | |
| West Dillingham St. | 00:17:13 | |
| Randall and Kimberly Hendricks ditch at 7:09. | 00:17:16 | |
| West didn't have St. the Super ditch. | 00:17:21 | |
| You have 30 days for replying. I'm not asking for a reply. I demand a reply. | 00:17:27 | |
| You work for us. | 00:17:32 | |
| Billy and Hattie. | 00:17:36 | |
| OBE. | 00:17:38 | |
| But we can ensure. | 00:17:39 | |
| That nothing like this. | 00:17:41 | |
| Happen again as a deterrent sort of thing. | 00:17:42 | |
| Imagine you are amongst A diverse group that pay for something and everybody got it but you. | 00:17:45 | |
| Some of us know that song all too well. | 00:17:58 | |
| We don't get it or we pay more for it. | 00:18:01 | |
| I learned as a teacher. | 00:18:05 | |
| Students treatment toward you. | 00:18:08 | |
| Mirror that same behavior. | 00:18:10 | |
| That they exhibit toward their parents. | 00:18:12 | |
| There's someone who worked for you. | 00:18:15 | |
| Who will not listen? | 00:18:17 | |
| To us. | 00:18:19 | |
| I surmise. | 00:18:22 | |
| That person don't listen to you either. | 00:18:23 | |
| It's time for a change. | 00:18:27 | |
| Fire a city meant. | 00:18:31 | |
| Yes. | 00:18:32 | |
| Fire the city manager. | 00:18:33 | |
| And his replacement be for all Saint Mary's. | 00:18:37 | |
| One Saint Mary's will make Saint Mary's number one. | 00:18:41 | |
| Immediately upon his approach. | 00:18:46 | |
| As appropriate. | 00:18:48 | |
| Do a thoracic audit. | 00:18:50 | |
| While my request is void of accusation, there's no accusation here. | 00:18:52 | |
| It's on verification. | 00:18:57 | |
| President Reagan said trust. | 00:18:59 | |
| But. | 00:19:01 | |
| Verify. | 00:19:02 | |
| See something? | 00:19:07 | |
| Know something, Say something please. | 00:19:08 | |
| Then clean and lean king, do your job. | 00:19:12 | |
| And if he was here? | 00:19:16 | |
| Chief Galloway. | 00:19:17 | |
| Release the arms. | 00:19:19 | |
| Thank you. | 00:19:21 | |
| Mr. Gamble, I do want to address. | 00:19:24 | |
| The Wilsons real quickly. | 00:19:26 | |
| Umm, you know I had followed up after your last. | 00:19:29 | |
| You know, uh. | 00:19:31 | |
| Presentation about. | 00:19:32 | |
| That fig tree. | 00:19:34 | |
| And I was. | 00:19:35 | |
| Told, and I will admit I did not speak directly to the Wilson's myself. | 00:19:37 | |
| But I followed up and I was told that public works went out there within a day or two of. | 00:19:41 | |
| The last time you were here. | 00:19:46 | |
| And spoke to them. | 00:19:47 | |
| And uh. | 00:19:49 | |
| Found out that they had planted that tree from a cutting. | 00:19:50 | |
| From down here. | 00:19:53 | |
| Downtown, a historic fig tree. | 00:19:55 | |
| That they themselves, that actually. | 00:19:57 | |
| Planted that tree. | 00:19:59 | |
| Years ago and didn't realize, you know that it was an issue and. | 00:20:01 | |
| I'm not exactly sure you know what. | 00:20:07 | |
| Transpired after that, but obviously the fact that she cut it down disturbs me. | 00:20:09 | |
| That she had to do that if they really wanted it cut down. But. | 00:20:14 | |
| I was told that. | 00:20:18 | |
| You know that they had not necessarily initially asked. | 00:20:19 | |
| To have the tree cut down. | 00:20:23 | |
| But maybe she thought that the city wanted it down because. | 00:20:25 | |
| And that they had planted it. So that does concern me and I'd like to kind of talk to her and get to the bottom of that, but. | 00:20:28 | |
| OK, let me clarify something. | 00:20:33 | |
| How did I know that they wanted that tree down? | 00:20:36 | |
| I don't live in that neighborhood. | 00:20:39 | |
| I don't know them. | 00:20:40 | |
| Right, so. | 00:20:41 | |
| I was told they wanted it gone. | 00:20:43 | |
| And before I came to you. | 00:20:45 | |
| I went to them and I took a picture of him when I talked to him. | 00:20:46 | |
| Right. And he said he wanted it done. | 00:20:50 | |
| He said he had wanted to gone all alone. | 00:20:53 | |
| But the thing that I saw was still. | 00:20:55 | |
| That neighborhood gets no. | 00:20:57 | |
| Nope, no lawn service. | 00:20:59 | |
| That entire neighborhood. | 00:21:01 | |
| But I'm not here to fight that. | 00:21:02 | |
| I'm here to say. | 00:21:04 | |
| And then when y'all decided y'all were not going to do it, I just think that I should have been told. | 00:21:05 | |
| I came before you. | 00:21:10 | |
| I took my time out like tonight. | 00:21:11 | |
| Yes, you know how long I had prepared to do this. | 00:21:13 | |
| You know so. | 00:21:16 | |
| It's not like I just came in here off the farm, I think. | 00:21:17 | |
| And so. | 00:21:21 | |
| I'm going to tell you something about. | 00:21:22 | |
| Real elderly black people. | 00:21:25 | |
| They are not aggressive. | 00:21:28 | |
| When I went to her and I asked him, I just followed up on. | 00:21:30 | |
| Because I saw the tree was going and when she told me. | 00:21:34 | |
| Who she was telling about. | 00:21:36 | |
| She said please don't say nothing. | 00:21:37 | |
| So if you go out there as authority. | 00:21:40 | |
| They're not going to challenge you. They're not going to do anything. | 00:21:42 | |
| Just do your job. | 00:21:46 | |
| You know, if they how, how did I know that that tree was gone? | 00:21:48 | |
| I mean that tree needed to be gone. | 00:21:52 | |
| So I stand by there and I stand by my request. | 00:21:54 | |
| And I and I stand by that I should get an answer back. | 00:21:58 | |
| Yes, Sir, And if not, I'm not violent. | 00:22:02 | |
| But I do have a fence. | 00:22:06 | |
| If you know what I mean. | 00:22:08 | |
| Yes, thank you. | 00:22:10 | |
| Tom Canning, 410 Point Peter Place. | 00:22:21 | |
| I've got 2 items. | 00:22:24 | |
| Raise the first one. | 00:22:26 | |
| Is an observation. | 00:22:30 | |
| That if it resonates with you. | 00:22:32 | |
| I ask that. | 00:22:35 | |
| The property authority, whether it be the police chief or someone. | 00:22:39 | |
| Brave our community on the subject, and that is. | 00:22:44 | |
| Drugs in our community. | 00:22:47 | |
| I have a very limited view and understanding of. | 00:22:49 | |
| That issue. | 00:22:53 | |
| I live a quiet life in a quiet neighborhood. | 00:22:54 | |
| But when you read the newspaper. | 00:22:58 | |
| And I don't have a number off the top of my head, but I. | 00:23:01 | |
| Eventually, 90% of the items of arrest reports. | 00:23:04 | |
| Have directly or indirectly have to do with drugs. | 00:23:08 | |
| And I don't see that that is doing anything but increasing. | 00:23:11 | |
| Whether it's the. | 00:23:15 | |
| I 94.5. | 00:23:16 | |
| Carter arrests. | 00:23:18 | |
| Or just arrest within our community. | 00:23:20 | |
| So. | 00:23:23 | |
| I'd like to get a more comfortable feeling on whether or not. | 00:23:25 | |
| This is a growing power problem. | 00:23:29 | |
| In our community more so than maybe other communities. | 00:23:32 | |
| And what is being done about the source of the problems? | 00:23:36 | |
| That I'm not talking about. | 00:23:39 | |
| The drug abusers as much as I'm talking. | 00:23:41 | |
| About the source. | 00:23:43 | |
| So I don't know where to take that any further other than an observation that I'm sure. | 00:23:45 | |
| Those of you that read the. | 00:23:50 | |
| Newspaper. | 00:23:51 | |
| You could probably do your own head count and you know. | 00:23:52 | |
| At least 6 out of 10 or 7 out of 10 of those items. | 00:23:58 | |
| Had to do with friends. | 00:24:02 | |
| Even if they're violent related items. | 00:24:04 | |
| OK. | 00:24:06 | |
| If you could just take that down and think about it and. | 00:24:07 | |
| Figure out some way. | 00:24:10 | |
| Address that the other item. | 00:24:12 | |
| I know a subject nearing data your hearts. | 00:24:14 | |
| Is storm water management. | 00:24:17 | |
| Let's come up. | 00:24:19 | |
| Over the years, as many of you know, many, many times. | 00:24:20 | |
| Most recent discussions. | 00:24:25 | |
| You've, I believe you either. | 00:24:28 | |
| I may have missed a one or two. You might either a work session or. | 00:24:31 | |
| You plan on having more and what have you. | 00:24:35 | |
| My concern remains what it was, what I expressed in the past. | 00:24:38 | |
| We all know that we have an ordinance on the record. | 00:24:42 | |
| That's been there for a number of years. It's been completely ignored. | 00:24:45 | |
| We have. | 00:24:50 | |
| Been using general funds. | 00:24:52 | |
| To deal with. | 00:24:55 | |
| The loudest. | 00:24:56 | |
| Maybe even the biggest. | 00:25:00 | |
| Storm water issues in our community, but we continue to. | 00:25:01 | |
| Piece meal it. | 00:25:05 | |
| And using general funds to do that. | 00:25:09 | |
| I don't know whether you intend to rewrite the ordinance and come up with a completely different plan. | 00:25:12 | |
| Or not. | 00:25:19 | |
| If you intend to stay with the ordinance, I respectfully suggest. | 00:25:20 | |
| We need to start to implement. | 00:25:24 | |
| The fee structure, the revenue stream. | 00:25:27 | |
| So we have the source of the funds. | 00:25:29 | |
| To hire the labor. | 00:25:32 | |
| Get the workforce. | 00:25:34 | |
| And get the planning done. | 00:25:35 | |
| This isn't a switch that you're just going to turn on and tomorrow. | 00:25:37 | |
| Everything now we got management. | 00:25:41 | |
| Stormwater management across the board. | 00:25:42 | |
| We need but. | 00:25:45 | |
| Everything starts with money. | 00:25:46 | |
| So we've got to stop using our revenue a general revenue funds. | 00:25:48 | |
| For doing something that we've said years ago. | 00:25:52 | |
| That we were going to collect fees and. | 00:25:55 | |
| And appreciate it if you would. | 00:25:58 | |
| Whether you discuss it now. | 00:26:00 | |
| Or you have a work session. | 00:26:01 | |
| But please move it along, whatever you decide to do. | 00:26:03 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 00:26:07 | |
| I'll address my thoughts on the storm water management in the timeline. | 00:26:12 | |
| Yeah, you know. | 00:26:18 | |
| Does not. My line is on. | 00:26:21 | |
| I mean, go ahead and talk. I'll just get right up on it. | 00:26:26 | |
| Yeah, my thoughts on a timeline for the storm water utility management, you know. | 00:26:31 | |
| We I know it's been on the books for a long time. | 00:26:36 | |
| But you know. | 00:26:40 | |
| As far as? | 00:26:41 | |
| This council, you know, it's really been a couple months and I know years were spent on the storm water management utility plan. | 00:26:42 | |
| We did have a work session. | 00:26:46 | |
| But you know, it does affect. | 00:26:49 | |
| You know our budget pretty significantly as far as. | 00:26:51 | |
| What's going to be covered for workers under the storm water fund and equipment? | 00:26:54 | |
| And then what's still going to be in our, you know, our regular fund? | 00:26:59 | |
| So. | 00:27:03 | |
| Unless we. | 00:27:05 | |
| Pushed along further. | 00:27:07 | |
| Sooner than that, I do feel that within you know, it should be something we can have done by. | 00:27:08 | |
| But within the year for our next budget and whether we start the utility fund before we. | 00:27:13 | |
| You know, factored in the next year's budget or we. | 00:27:18 | |
| Kind of roll it in at the same time, but I would say within the year. | 00:27:20 | |
| I think that's a reasonable time based on how many years were spent on the plan initially. | 00:27:25 | |
| But uh. | 00:27:29 | |
| You know and. | 00:27:30 | |
| If anyone else has another idea, you know, maybe we try to get it done. | 00:27:31 | |
| You know, before we set the mileage rate and do it sooner. | 00:27:36 | |
| But it does affect. | 00:27:38 | |
| You know the annual budget pretty significantly. | 00:27:39 | |
| I think we did say that we wanted to have a storm water. | 00:27:43 | |
| Or accession that hasn't been. We asked for that to be scheduled. | 00:27:47 | |
| Have continued. Yeah. | 00:27:52 | |
| Right at the last one we were gonna. | 00:27:53 | |
| Right, keep working. | 00:27:56 | |
| Yes. | 00:27:58 | |
| Good evening. | 00:28:03 | |
| Nick Harris, 102 Hamlet. | 00:28:04 | |
| Circle Saint Mary's. | 00:28:06 | |
| This is just a perception in overall listening. | 00:28:08 | |
| To what everybody here? | 00:28:13 | |
| Has said tonight. | 00:28:14 | |
| We moved from Atlanta to Saint Mary's because of the smallness. | 00:28:17 | |
| In the community aspect. | 00:28:22 | |
| Of this. | 00:28:25 | |
| And I grew up in a town smaller than Saint Mary's. | 00:28:25 | |
| And this past week I spent a week out West. | 00:28:29 | |
| In a very small town. | 00:28:33 | |
| In Wherever I Go, I traveled to gay with Candace and a group. | 00:28:35 | |
| Went out West in. | 00:28:39 | |
| When I'm traveling, I'm walking into businesses. | 00:28:41 | |
| And I'm talking to local people. | 00:28:44 | |
| And the disconnect, I think. | 00:28:47 | |
| Of Saint Mary's, at least in my world. Nick's world. | 00:28:50 | |
| Is. | 00:28:53 | |
| When I was a teacher. | 00:28:54 | |
| And I still work special Ed. | 00:28:56 | |
| There's three components of a community. | 00:28:58 | |
| Family, school and community. | 00:29:00 | |
| You can't, and those pillars are the foundation. | 00:29:02 | |
| You cannot have a successful community. | 00:29:05 | |
| With only two or one. | 00:29:08 | |
| Or put more emphasis. | 00:29:10 | |
| On a particular one. | 00:29:12 | |
| Our community seems like. | 00:29:14 | |
| We're doing more fighting. | 00:29:16 | |
| And like good old boy projects versus just. | 00:29:18 | |
| What's best for the community if we do what's right? | 00:29:21 | |
| Our communities. | 00:29:25 | |
| Gonna be vibrant. | 00:29:26 | |
| I compare it to. | 00:29:29 | |
| You look at certain venues. | 00:29:30 | |
| They're like vending machines. You walk in, you pay, you get a service, and boom, you walk out. | 00:29:32 | |
| The true communities. | 00:29:37 | |
| The barn building. | 00:29:39 | |
| Community where everybody comes together, even a local businesses. | 00:29:41 | |
| And I'm a new business owner with my wife. She does more of it. | 00:29:45 | |
| But I'm of the business savvy. | 00:29:49 | |
| Side of that business. | 00:29:51 | |
| And instead of working and enhancing other like. | 00:29:53 | |
| Businesses, it's like competition. | 00:29:57 | |
| And it shouldn't be like that. We're a small town. | 00:30:00 | |
| Everybody should be working. | 00:30:03 | |
| To benefit everybody else. | 00:30:06 | |
| And whether your government. | 00:30:09 | |
| Or whether you're a constituent resident. | 00:30:10 | |
| We're not working. We see the government not working. | 00:30:13 | |
| In true communities. | 00:30:16 | |
| When you get the government environment. | 00:30:18 | |
| Crap just happens. It doesn't happen. | 00:30:20 | |
| You get into the bureaucracy. | 00:30:22 | |
| But even in our community, people are. | 00:30:24 | |
| Either a free. | 00:30:26 | |
| To step up so. | 00:30:28 | |
| When the grass isn't cut in front of a business. | 00:30:29 | |
| Don't go to the city and gripe. Why aren't you cutting my grass? | 00:30:32 | |
| Be the business owner and go out there and cut that grass. | 00:30:36 | |
| Make a bill when you look at the blight here. | 00:30:38 | |
| We need to put more pride into the businesses, say hey, look at your business. | 00:30:41 | |
| Put a coat of paint on it. | 00:30:46 | |
| But if we started all talking like that. | 00:30:48 | |
| I think it would be infectious. | 00:30:51 | |
| And catch on. So when we look at. | 00:30:53 | |
| The majority of things here. | 00:30:56 | |
| Let's start. | 00:30:58 | |
| Family, school and community. | 00:30:59 | |
| And do what you say you're gonna do. And I think people don't have a problem. | 00:31:01 | |
| If you can't do it, just tell us you can't do it. | 00:31:06 | |
| And then the community will step up if they want it bad enough. | 00:31:08 | |
| And they will do it. | 00:31:12 | |
| I think it's time for Saint Mary's to really. | 00:31:13 | |
| And everybody here when you go home. | 00:31:16 | |
| Self reflect. Look at yourself in the mirror. | 00:31:18 | |
| And say, what did you do for Saint Mary's today? | 00:31:21 | |
| Instead of. How did I benefit? | 00:31:23 | |
| From Saint Mary's today. | 00:31:26 | |
| Thank you. | 00:31:28 | |
| Thank you. | 00:31:29 | |
| That's cool. | 00:31:33 | |
| Good evening. I'm Mark Fouts at 3:10. | 00:31:39 | |
| West Branch St. | 00:31:42 | |
| Just got a couple of concerns. | 00:31:44 | |
| One of them is the new bulk. | 00:31:46 | |
| Item The Cumberland services are supposed to be taken care of during our regular garbage pickup. | 00:31:49 | |
| And I was wondering if someone could give us a definition of what those items are. There was a. | 00:31:55 | |
| A piece in the city website that. | 00:32:00 | |
| That kind of talk to it. | 00:32:03 | |
| I didn't really tell what items are out, what items should be put out there, You know, whether it's a mattress or a stove or | 00:32:05 | |
| whatever. | 00:32:08 | |
| And I went on to the Cumberland Cumberland Services website. | 00:32:12 | |
| They didn't address it at all. | 00:32:16 | |
| So I'd like for somebody to address that to the public tonight. | 00:32:17 | |
| The second thing. | 00:32:22 | |
| Has to do with the the exit 1. | 00:32:24 | |
| Building that's going on. | 00:32:31 | |
| Back in 2022. | 00:32:35 | |
| During some of our. | 00:32:38 | |
| Citizen meetings that we had with the city. | 00:32:41 | |
| There was a contract with Rainier that was afforded to everybody. | 00:32:44 | |
| And it spoke specifically about what the. | 00:32:48 | |
| What the expectations were from the city and what the expectations were from Rainier. | 00:32:51 | |
| I can't find my copy of that contract. | 00:32:57 | |
| And I can't find it anywhere on city website. | 00:33:00 | |
| But there is very specific information in there about what's expected. | 00:33:03 | |
| And I'd like to see that contract put back up on the city website so that people can reference that. | 00:33:07 | |
| Because that's where your 30 million or $60 million bond information comes from. | 00:33:13 | |
| The second thing. | 00:33:18 | |
| On April the 17th, 2023. | 00:33:20 | |
| There was a council work session. | 00:33:24 | |
| It was called the City of Saint Mary's TAD 2 project. | 00:33:26 | |
| Project financing overview. | 00:33:30 | |
| And there was a representative from the financing establishment talking about Exit 1. | 00:33:32 | |
| And what was expected or what? What? | 00:33:39 | |
| What could be expected as far as the financing on it? | 00:33:41 | |
| I would like to see. | 00:33:45 | |
| Pages 10 and 14 out of that session. | 00:33:47 | |
| Those particular pages one of them dealt with. | 00:33:52 | |
| The payback? | 00:33:55 | |
| And it was basically a set of milestones. | 00:33:56 | |
| On a year by year basis that that. | 00:33:59 | |
| Defined the expectations of what the principle was. | 00:34:02 | |
| What the interest was. | 00:34:06 | |
| What the TAD payment was? | 00:34:07 | |
| And what the overage was going to be. | 00:34:09 | |
| As a former project manager, we use those kinds of milestones to determine whether the project was on track or not. | 00:34:13 | |
| You said tonight that what's going on right now, that the project is ahead of schedule. | 00:34:20 | |
| What I'd really like to see is. | 00:34:26 | |
| The document on pay on on pages. | 00:34:28 | |
| 10 and 14. | 00:34:32 | |
| From that work session put up on the city website. | 00:34:33 | |
| And actuals put on there for the people to see exactly just how this process is unfolding it from the financial standpoint. | 00:34:36 | |
| And it also has talks about phase one and Phase 2. | 00:34:44 | |
| The expectations and the time periods involved with those things. | 00:34:47 | |
| Those are things that citizens want to see because they affect us. That's our money. Don't talk. And now. | 00:34:51 | |
| And this is a good way to do it. | 00:34:57 | |
| Most of you all weren't. | 00:34:59 | |
| During that time period. | 00:35:01 | |
| Absolutely. | 00:35:03 | |
| I think you should look at these documents. | 00:35:06 | |
| And put them as part of the city and put them on the website so that you can see what's going on with it. | 00:35:10 | |
| The third thing I wanted to talk about? | 00:35:16 | |
| There was a lady here that was, I guess she was with the airport to the film company that was buying something in the airport. | 00:35:19 | |
| On Monday. | 00:35:26 | |
| And she was talking about the electricity problems that they're having over there. | 00:35:27 | |
| 5 megawatts is what she said they needed. | 00:35:33 | |
| And she wanted to look at solar and wind and gas. | 00:35:36 | |
| Just for your information. | 00:35:40 | |
| To create a MW of electricity for solar. | 00:35:42 | |
| It takes about four to five acres. | 00:35:46 | |
| So you know. | 00:35:48 | |
| If she's going to do, she's going to do solar. | 00:35:50 | |
| Somebody better figure out where she's going to get 20 acres of land to do it with. | 00:35:53 | |
| The second thing that she said? | 00:35:58 | |
| She used the word. | 00:36:00 | |
| The land is under contract. | 00:36:01 | |
| And my question is, has that land been closed on yet or not? | 00:36:04 | |
| Because if I'm somebody that's got to put in that kind of money. | 00:36:08 | |
| On a project. | 00:36:12 | |
| That I didn't know I was going to do, and I haven't closed on that land yet. | 00:36:14 | |
| I wouldn't be closing on it at all. | 00:36:18 | |
| So you all can ask it can can address that tonight. | 00:36:20 | |
| Has it been closed or not? | 00:36:23 | |
| And is that their problem, or is that Saint Mary's problem? | 00:36:25 | |
| Thank you. | 00:36:28 | |
| Charlie, can you speak to the what bulk items are included in that? | 00:36:30 | |
| For Cumberland Services. | 00:36:34 | |
| Yeah. So to be quite honest. | 00:36:37 | |
| To provide a list of what can be picked up would be. | 00:36:39 | |
| A huge list, so I don't think I can really provide specifically what. | 00:36:42 | |
| But I can tell you what. | 00:36:45 | |
| Would be and that information I'll make sure it gets on the Cumberland website. | 00:36:47 | |
| If it's not on there. | 00:36:52 | |
| So my understanding it should have been posted on that site. | 00:36:53 | |
| But it is on the Camden County dump site. | 00:36:56 | |
| If you go into the Camden County site. | 00:36:59 | |
| Because our regulations are based on what the county says we can. | 00:37:01 | |
| Bring to that dump site so. | 00:37:05 | |
| That is your liquid waste, your lead batteries you can't pick up. | 00:37:06 | |
| Untreated, non residential. | 00:37:10 | |
| Biomedical waste we can't pick up. | 00:37:12 | |
| On petroleum products, we can't pick up tires. | 00:37:14 | |
| Pesticides. Herbicides. | 00:37:17 | |
| If you've got a refrigerator. | 00:37:19 | |
| Can't be picked up unless it's got a special tag on it that says the coolant's been removed. It's things like that. | 00:37:21 | |
| But your everyday dump stuff. | 00:37:26 | |
| Mattresses changing out your cabinets. | 00:37:29 | |
| As long as it's done by the resident. | 00:37:31 | |
| They can pick it up. | 00:37:33 | |
| What they don't pick up is if it's a. | 00:37:35 | |
| They call it a move out. | 00:37:37 | |
| If you got a renter that didn't pay the rent and they get evicted. | 00:37:38 | |
| And then our product sits in the house and then. | 00:37:42 | |
| You know, you see on the corner, all of a sudden they've done all of their furniture on the corner. | 00:37:44 | |
| Government loan services won't pick that up either. That. | 00:37:47 | |
| Falls on the. | 00:37:50 | |
| Property owner and they can. | 00:37:51 | |
| Get a private dumpster delivered there and all that stuff will be picked up. | 00:37:53 | |
| The other things that won't pick up? | 00:37:56 | |
| Umm is if you're doing. | 00:37:58 | |
| Commercial yard waste or commercial. | 00:38:00 | |
| Construction. | 00:38:02 | |
| So the vendor is responsible for removing this stuff, but pretty much government will pick up anything. | 00:38:03 | |
| Except anything that's considered hazardous to the dump. | 00:38:08 | |
| Like I said, it's a vast but if you have any questions I mean I'll be more than happy to supply. | 00:38:13 | |
| That if you have something you've got to put out with. | 00:38:16 | |
| It's pretty vast. They'll pick up almost anything. | 00:38:18 | |
| Thank you. | 00:38:22 | |
| So as to the. | 00:38:23 | |
| Property that. | 00:38:25 | |
| Marina Martens and Pigmental Studios. | 00:38:26 | |
| They have purchased and closed on. | 00:38:29 | |
| I believe it's 3 parcels. | 00:38:33 | |
| That they purchased from the city through JDA. | 00:38:34 | |
| Umm, they were also acquiring private land that was outside of the Commerce Park. | 00:38:38 | |
| From a private individual and I'm not 100% sure whether that piece of property is. | 00:38:44 | |
| Completely closed or not, but I thought she said that it was. | 00:38:48 | |
| And she also acquired. | 00:38:52 | |
| A piece of land from SG blocks that had formerly been sold. | 00:38:55 | |
| By the city. | 00:38:59 | |
| And JDA to SG blocks that. | 00:39:01 | |
| And so she has acquired that land as well. | 00:39:04 | |
| Like I say once again, that was. | 00:39:07 | |
| A private transaction between her and SD blocks. | 00:39:09 | |
| And. | 00:39:13 | |
| That one may be the one. | 00:39:15 | |
| If I had to guess, that might not be fully closed yet, but I think. | 00:39:16 | |
| Because that company, SG Blocks, has had some. | 00:39:20 | |
| Change over from reorganization and some different things that I think slowed that process down, but. | 00:39:23 | |
| I think she did finally get. | 00:39:28 | |
| Closed on that but. | 00:39:30 | |
| She has, I believe, well over 100 acres. | 00:39:32 | |
| That she has acquired out there so. | 00:39:35 | |
| She has the land. | 00:39:38 | |
| To do. | 00:39:39 | |
| A full solar. | 00:39:40 | |
| If. | 00:39:41 | |
| If she goes that way and on that property center. | 00:39:42 | |
| Larry White, 102 Assemblies. Gordon, St. Marys. | 00:40:08 | |
| Got basically three items. | 00:40:12 | |
| 1 is a follow up on exit 1. | 00:40:14 | |
| And that's more of a. | 00:40:17 | |
| I brought this up before. | 00:40:18 | |
| They've been putting flags down on Liquor Drive. | 00:40:21 | |
| For the proposed sewer line. | 00:40:24 | |
| Coming from. | 00:40:26 | |
| Exit 1 Development. | 00:40:28 | |
| Down to the point. | 00:40:29 | |
| Down to the lift station down there. | 00:40:31 | |
| At the corner of a. | 00:40:33 | |
| The Colerain. | 00:40:35 | |
| And. | 00:40:38 | |
| My mind's going. | 00:40:40 | |
| Anyway, Rd. | 00:40:42 | |
| No, not Saint Mary's Road. | 00:40:43 | |
| Sugar Miller Sugar Mill Blvd. | 00:40:45 | |
| You're supposed to attach it to that legislation. | 00:40:48 | |
| And I'll ask the question again. | 00:40:50 | |
| When are they going to be completing? | 00:40:52 | |
| That sewer line or still in the design phase? | 00:40:54 | |
| That's a question I have. Can that be addressed? | 00:40:59 | |
| I'm pretty sure the engineering is still going on. | 00:41:02 | |
| Well, my concern is. | 00:41:06 | |
| Once they get the design done and they want to start their construction. | 00:41:08 | |
| Is going to be during the school year. | 00:41:11 | |
| You got Marley Clark Elementary School. | 00:41:13 | |
| Right there on Nuclear Drive. | 00:41:16 | |
| And if they're going to be laying sewer lines? | 00:41:17 | |
| Long drive. | 00:41:20 | |
| Play havoc. | 00:41:22 | |
| With the school traffic there from. | 00:41:23 | |
| Myrtle Clark. | 00:41:25 | |
| The other thing too is I want to know. | 00:41:26 | |
| I've seen drawings. | 00:41:28 | |
| Preliminary drawings. | 00:41:30 | |
| That they're going to complete their cut through. | 00:41:31 | |
| From Saint Mary's Road to Nicola Drive. | 00:41:34 | |
| Are they going to do that or not? | 00:41:37 | |
| OK, good. | 00:41:39 | |
| The other item is I want to bring up the. | 00:41:42 | |
| Again, I'm like a broken record. | 00:41:44 | |
| Speeding. Speeding. | 00:41:46 | |
| On Nuclear Drive. | 00:41:49 | |
| They're by the school. | 00:41:50 | |
| It is not a 25 mile per hour. | 00:41:52 | |
| Speed limit for school zone. | 00:41:57 | |
| Is a permanent 25 mph. | 00:41:59 | |
| Speed limit on nickel drive. | 00:42:02 | |
| From one end to the other. | 00:42:04 | |
| And I've had more people come up on my rear end. | 00:42:06 | |
| When I'm doing this feeling and I make a drive driving home. | 00:42:09 | |
| Because I live down on the end of my record drive. | 00:42:12 | |
| Whenever the item I can't remember what it was, give me a second. | 00:42:17 | |
| I've forgot 5 minutes I guess. | 00:42:20 | |
| That's right, because I. | 00:42:29 | |
| You forget my age, you can't remember everything. | 00:42:30 | |
| Never mind, I can't. | 00:42:34 | |
| What was again? | 00:42:36 | |
| Never mind. | 00:42:38 | |
| Ken Jolly 102 Saltgrass Trace here in Saint Mary's. | 00:42:51 | |
| Mr. Mayor, Council members. | 00:42:55 | |
| Mr. Williams response regarding the. | 00:42:58 | |
| Bolt pickup was excellent. | 00:43:02 | |
| I had the opportunity to speak with. | 00:43:05 | |
| Employees of. | 00:43:08 | |
| Cumberland. | 00:43:11 | |
| Waste Management. | 00:43:12 | |
| And we discovered that. | 00:43:14 | |
| In addition to the recycling truck that comes through. | 00:43:16 | |
| In addition to the regular trash cup. | 00:43:20 | |
| Truck that comes through. | 00:43:22 | |
| There are two other trucks. | 00:43:24 | |
| That are available. | 00:43:27 | |
| For bulk pickup. | 00:43:28 | |
| The first is manned by a driver and a writer. | 00:43:30 | |
| And if the bulk can be picked up by this one individual? | 00:43:35 | |
| Then it's done. | 00:43:40 | |
| If the item is too large. | 00:43:42 | |
| Then that gets. | 00:43:44 | |
| Indicated umm. | 00:43:46 | |
| And fed back to. | 00:43:47 | |
| The. | 00:43:49 | |
| Company and they dispatch. | 00:43:51 | |
| A larger truck that has. | 00:43:55 | |
| The grappling hook on it. | 00:43:56 | |
| And as Mr. Williams pointed out. | 00:43:59 | |
| If you have items that have a refrigerant in. | 00:44:02 | |
| Whether it be a small refrigerator. | 00:44:06 | |
| An air conditioner. | 00:44:09 | |
| A freezer or a larger refrigerator. | 00:44:11 | |
| Or any other item that has a refrigerant in it. | 00:44:14 | |
| It will not be picked up unless it has that special yellow sticker on it. | 00:44:19 | |
| This is a Georgia State long. | 00:44:24 | |
| The refrigerant gets recovered. | 00:44:27 | |
| By individuals companies who are licensed to do so. | 00:44:30 | |
| And that refrigerant? | 00:44:34 | |
| Can be reused. | 00:44:37 | |
| Either in your own equipment or maybe someone elses. | 00:44:39 | |
| So it. | 00:44:44 | |
| Refrigerant, generally speaking. | 00:44:45 | |
| Doesn't deteriorate overtime. | 00:44:47 | |
| It is, however, a tremendous hazard to the atmosphere. | 00:44:50 | |
| Tremendous hazard. | 00:44:54 | |
| To human life. | 00:44:56 | |
| And extremely dangerous if you try to release this refrigerant for the atmosphere yourself. | 00:44:57 | |
| It's under high pressure. | 00:45:03 | |
| And it can do an awful lot of damage to you. | 00:45:05 | |
| The businesses that are licensed. | 00:45:10 | |
| To recover the refrigerant. | 00:45:13 | |
| Also are issued the special little yellow stickers. | 00:45:16 | |
| If that yellow sticker is not on the item, that. | 00:45:19 | |
| Would have had refrigerated in it. | 00:45:22 | |
| That it will not get picked up. | 00:45:25 | |
| And. | 00:45:27 | |
| It's unfortunate that. | 00:45:30 | |
| When that happens. | 00:45:32 | |
| People then decide I'll just throw it in the back of my pickup truck and some light just dump it someplace. | 00:45:34 | |
| So. | 00:45:41 | |
| It certainly is helping. | 00:45:43 | |
| The city, it's helping the environment. | 00:45:44 | |
| And it's not a very expensive process to have a licensed company come out and recover that refrigerant for you. | 00:45:47 | |
| So let alone my experience with Cumberland Services has been nothing but. | 00:45:53 | |
| Awesome. Thank you very much. | 00:45:58 | |
| Some of you were. | 00:46:18 | |
| All of you actually were emailed to a copy of this particular domain, and your name is Andrew. | 00:46:19 | |
| Oh, Robert Whitley. | 00:46:24 | |
| 1601 Highway 40 E, Kingsland. | 00:46:26 | |
| People with microphone up to your mouth please. | 00:46:29 | |
| OK, I have two extra copies if someone would like a hard copy. | 00:46:32 | |
| Takers, OK. | 00:46:37 | |
| But this is a story regarding the. | 00:46:40 | |
| The floating docks at. | 00:46:46 | |
| Wheeler St. Wheeler St. Ducks. | 00:46:47 | |
| The I live on a boat on the water. | 00:46:49 | |
| And I've been there. | 00:46:52 | |
| Along since July. | 00:46:53 | |
| 2022. | 00:46:55 | |
| And. | 00:46:57 | |
| This is my home, my city, my everything. | 00:46:58 | |
| I've been a resident of Georgia since 1991. | 00:47:00 | |
| But we moved down here. | 00:47:04 | |
| Just a few years ago. | 00:47:06 | |
| And over time, I got here just the time. | 00:47:08 | |
| Or Hurricane Irma to wipe out the docks. | 00:47:11 | |
| So it kind of leaves you in limbo with where you're going to live. So we enjoyed. | 00:47:14 | |
| Being on an anchor in the river. | 00:47:19 | |
| For the longest time, we've traveled up and down the coast. | 00:47:21 | |
| To Key West and to Bahamas and stuff like that. | 00:47:24 | |
| But we're this is still our home. And with that said. | 00:47:29 | |
| We live on an anchor. | 00:47:33 | |
| On the boat and we do come to the dinghy, dot or not. | 00:47:35 | |
| Is that the dinghy dot but? | 00:47:38 | |
| The floating docks every day. | 00:47:39 | |
| We have a car here that's. | 00:47:42 | |
| Storage units just like any other household. | 00:47:44 | |
| And it's come to mind recently that. | 00:47:49 | |
| After Hurricane Irma. | 00:47:52 | |
| Blew away the. | 00:47:54 | |
| The. | 00:47:55 | |
| Replacements came along a couple. | 00:47:57 | |
| 2 1/2 years ago. | 00:47:59 | |
| I used to work with Jim Samson a lot regarding code enforcement regarding. | 00:48:01 | |
| The time limits on the dot. | 00:48:04 | |
| I was One of the earliest things I learned was the time when. | 00:48:06 | |
| There's some people. | 00:48:11 | |
| Really picky bat and some people not. | 00:48:13 | |
| It turns out that the way the code is written. | 00:48:15 | |
| Umm. | 00:48:18 | |
| One doc has a 15 minute time limit. The code actually says 30, but some I know that the signs ended up saying 15 minutes. | 00:48:21 | |
| The other doctor 6 hour. | 00:48:29 | |
| Maximum umm. | 00:48:31 | |
| No overnight. | 00:48:32 | |
| Dockages if you were. | 00:48:34 | |
| Planning to live there? | 00:48:36 | |
| You know, reside on the dock. | 00:48:38 | |
| With that said. | 00:48:40 | |
| All of it is first come, first serve. | 00:48:45 | |
| Over the course of time. | 00:48:47 | |
| The left hand, Let's call it East. | 00:48:52 | |
| Which is listed in the document. | 00:48:55 | |
| But the stock was intended to be a 15 minute. | 00:48:57 | |
| Quick, quick and dirty launch your boat. | 00:49:00 | |
| Put your put your bed over there and go. | 00:49:03 | |
| Parker Trailer come back and go fishing. | 00:49:05 | |
| The other side. | 00:49:08 | |
| If you come to come to shore. | 00:49:09 | |
| From a dinghy. | 00:49:11 | |
| Or any visitor that goes up down the inner coastal that ends up swinging into Saint Mary's and resigning for. | 00:49:13 | |
| A few days, a few weeks. | 00:49:19 | |
| All Thanksgiving, any of those. | 00:49:21 | |
| Reasons for a lengthy stay. | 00:49:23 | |
| They have to come to the. | 00:49:26 | |
| Floating docks that ends up being. | 00:49:28 | |
| A reason to if they come to town and anybody, including myself. | 00:49:31 | |
| It's not a 15 minute stay. | 00:49:35 | |
| That's gonna lean in so we don't go to the 15 minute dot, we purposely go to. | 00:49:37 | |
| The longer time lapse. | 00:49:42 | |
| So 6 hours. | 00:49:44 | |
| Usually you get all your business done in six hours. | 00:49:46 | |
| But it used to be a. | 00:49:48 | |
| Jim Sampson would remind me when I was. | 00:49:50 | |
| Into my 7th hour and I would. | 00:49:52 | |
| Go away, you know, go ahead and leave. | 00:49:55 | |
| The umm. | 00:49:58 | |
| So recently. | 00:50:00 | |
| That's not been adequate, somebody. | 00:50:02 | |
| Wanted. | 00:50:04 | |
| Natural attrition had all the dinghies. | 00:50:06 | |
| Accumulating on one particular finger. | 00:50:10 | |
| And then the number of things group. | 00:50:13 | |
| Partly to the second finger. | 00:50:14 | |
| Umm, so that ends up putting a little bit of a crunch on the right hand dock. | 00:50:16 | |
| Let's the West dot. | 00:50:22 | |
| That makes it tough for some of the motorboaters when when the West dot gets full, you just look out across the. | 00:50:27 | |
| Water from the parking lot and you say it's full? | 00:50:34 | |
| And the other dock is empty. | 00:50:37 | |
| There might be 1 but. | 00:50:39 | |
| And he's theoretically only there for 15 minutes and he's moving on. | 00:50:41 | |
| But so the busy dock, the slightly larger dot. | 00:50:45 | |
| With the. | 00:50:48 | |
| The kayak. | 00:50:49 | |
| Launching. | 00:50:50 | |
| Ramp platform. | 00:50:51 | |
| That's getting to be quite a busy dog. | 00:50:55 | |
| It's been made mentioned. | 00:50:58 | |
| If we got rid of all those things, there'd be room for more motorboaters. | 00:51:02 | |
| The Fisherman. | 00:51:08 | |
| So with. | 00:51:09 | |
| So when? | 00:51:11 | |
| Just back stepping just a little whenever a Hurricane Irma came along and took away the docks. | 00:51:12 | |
| When the new ones came. | 00:51:17 | |
| They were very different the document that I provided. | 00:51:18 | |
| Has the pictures on it from. | 00:51:22 | |
| 2017 and today. | 00:51:24 | |
| And you can tell by looking. | 00:51:27 | |
| We no longer have a concrete power. It's not. | 00:51:29 | |
| We no longer have the dot down the middle of the. | 00:51:31 | |
| Ramps. | 00:51:34 | |
| It it two of the dinghies of myself speaking to all of the guys that are out there right now. | 00:51:36 | |
| We are all perfectly happy with. | 00:51:44 | |
| Some sort of a shift? | 00:51:48 | |
| To where we end up on the other dock. | 00:51:49 | |
| We don't care. It's. | 00:51:53 | |
| So if we were to merely change those time limits things. | 00:51:54 | |
| To where? | 00:51:59 | |
| The stock was. | 00:52:00 | |
| More than. | 00:52:01 | |
| 15 minutes. | 00:52:03 | |
| And change it to. | 00:52:05 | |
| And here I'm actually proposing 12 and I'll give you that backup story. | 00:52:07 | |
| But if the left hand. | 00:52:11 | |
| East dot was had a longer time limit. We would attrition over there and this and the one with. | 00:52:13 | |
| Short term duration after launching your boat would be. | 00:52:19 | |
| On the West Dock. | 00:52:22 | |
| And that would occur. There would be more room for the larger hard shell boats. | 00:52:23 | |
| And having spoken to all of the. | 00:52:29 | |
| The guys that are here now. | 00:52:34 | |
| They don't care the people that come in from out of town, they want no one from the other. | 00:52:36 | |
| Won't care because the signage would be correct. It says. This one is short term, this one is long term. | 00:52:39 | |
| And so we can handle that with just a simple. | 00:52:45 | |
| Minor change in the. | 00:52:47 | |
| Signs with one of them being longer, the other one being shorter. | 00:52:49 | |
| So that. | 00:52:56 | |
| Is the biggest proposal in my thing about regarding trying to update the MO U. | 00:52:58 | |
| Between the city and the DNR, so everybody's on the same page. | 00:53:03 | |
| And then? | 00:53:07 | |
| A little bit of natural attention just because the time limit changed. | 00:53:09 | |
| Will unclog. | 00:53:13 | |
| The favorite doc. | 00:53:15 | |
| And the rest of us, the little bit. | 00:53:18 | |
| Doesn't matter, because you know what I mean? It's just a little. | 00:53:20 | |
| A way to get to shore and go do your business. | 00:53:24 | |
| Everybody else that they're getting ready to go fishing, but. | 00:53:27 | |
| The short duration they load up. | 00:53:29 | |
| And bag of fish. | 00:53:31 | |
| So that is the proposal in this. | 00:53:35 | |
| The actual times are listed. | 00:53:37 | |
| On my document on page 10. | 00:53:40 | |
| Stating that there's a there's a reason for Kate to. | 00:53:47 | |
| Everything you do, there's a reason for exceptions. | 00:53:52 | |
| But umm. | 00:53:54 | |
| The basically switching the long term. | 00:53:56 | |
| Term stay to maximum 12 hours. | 00:53:59 | |
| Lends itself to more possibility to people that actually have a job that might be in Jacksonville, it might be in. | 00:54:03 | |
| Brunswick, or it might be in Savannah. | 00:54:10 | |
| 12 hours gives them a chance to go through their employment and come back and still. | 00:54:12 | |
| Not have to be. | 00:54:16 | |
| Challenged by code enforcement because. | 00:54:17 | |
| We went across the time limit. | 00:54:20 | |
| Extend the time limit a little bit. That's all we're doing there to make it. | 00:54:22 | |
| Work for them. | 00:54:25 | |
| That applies also to doctors appointments. | 00:54:26 | |
| For a lot of. | 00:54:29 | |
| Almost every all the two people out there now. | 00:54:31 | |
| Our senior. | 00:54:34 | |
| Some of them closer to 80 years old. | 00:54:36 | |
| And so doctor's appointments, whenever they occur, they could. | 00:54:40 | |
| But it's always by surprise. But they may last longer than the time limit. | 00:54:44 | |
| And there's no need to. | 00:54:48 | |
| If we extended the time limit, there's no need for a challenge just to go to the doctor. | 00:54:49 | |
| And so that's some of the support. | 00:54:54 | |
| We're kind of going to. | 00:54:56 | |
| Past 7 minutes here now, but. | 00:54:57 | |
| I did have a question because I'm not a voter. | 00:55:00 | |
| Maybe or. | 00:55:03 | |
| Someone else here can answer for me? | 00:55:04 | |
| This does Fernandina have. | 00:55:07 | |
| Any free docking like? | 00:55:10 | |
| Like this? | 00:55:11 | |
| No. So I was just curious about that. | 00:55:13 | |
| The a certain. | 00:55:17 | |
| Huh. | 00:55:19 | |
| OK. | 00:55:23 | |
| That's incorrect input. | 00:55:35 | |
| They don't have any more wings in the river. | 00:55:36 | |
| At Carnitine for people's eyes. | 00:55:38 | |
| Morning, yes, but anchoring is living as well. | 00:55:41 | |
| So if you look up to a boring. | 00:55:44 | |
| You're paying city parking. | 00:55:45 | |
| OK, I am like you said past my. | 00:55:50 | |
| 7 minutes. | 00:55:52 | |
| This document still is not quite through but. | 00:55:54 | |
| Very carefully arranged that. | 00:55:58 | |
| Portion coming up regarding the kayak launcher on the. | 00:56:00 | |
| On the West dot. | 00:56:04 | |
| And safety items and. | 00:56:05 | |
| Cameras. I found the. | 00:56:09 | |
| Is on here as well and a discussion on. | 00:56:11 | |
| A water faucet. | 00:56:14 | |
| So at this point. | 00:56:15 | |
| I can step down and. | 00:56:19 | |
| And let. | 00:56:21 | |
| Karen White. Disgusting. | 00:56:23 | |
| Kayak Launcher. | 00:56:24 | |
| And then after that. | 00:56:26 | |
| Stephen Birch will talk about safety and cameras. | 00:56:28 | |
| And go from there. | 00:56:33 | |
| And. | 00:56:34 | |
| To me, we've already had a little bit of discussion on my part, but once you hear all 5 pieces. | 00:56:35 | |
| It's probably a good time for a conclusion. | 00:56:42 | |
| And had it all together. | 00:56:45 | |
| Thank you. | 00:56:48 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 00:56:49 | |
| Karen White. | 00:56:53 | |
| 609 Margaret St. | 00:56:54 | |
| I became part of this. You guys know me as the tennis court person, but now I'm on to kayaks. | 00:56:56 | |
| Anyway. | 00:57:02 | |
| I'm just really part of this because I'm the person they know that kayaks. | 00:57:03 | |
| And I like our kayak launch. And I was shocked to read a note that you guys received from. | 00:57:08 | |
| One of my neighbors saying that. | 00:57:17 | |
| The kayak launch never gets used, that he's down there all the time and nobody ever uses it. Well, I don't think that's true. And | 00:57:20 | |
| furthermore. | 00:57:24 | |
| The town could stand. | 00:57:29 | |
| To have a sign up. | 00:57:31 | |
| Wherever there's a nice kayak launch, it's usually there's usually a sign. | 00:57:33 | |
| To let people know. Now we all know that there's many kayaks that come into this town. You see them on people's cars. | 00:57:39 | |
| I think if that kayak launch had a sign up. | 00:57:45 | |
| People would know about it. | 00:57:48 | |
| And it's, you know, it wasn't a cheap. | 00:57:50 | |
| Thing to build. | 00:57:54 | |
| So when somebody says they think we should get rid of it because it's not being used, you know, I tend to disagree with that. | 00:57:55 | |
| So I think it would be a great asset for the town to put some signage up. | 00:58:03 | |
| To let people know. I've told 3 or 4 different people that that's there. They had no idea it was there. | 00:58:08 | |
| I don't use the launch. | 00:58:13 | |
| Because I have a fiberglass boat. | 00:58:16 | |
| So I don't want it to get scraped. | 00:58:18 | |
| Anyway, we are a boating community and that is a boat. | 00:58:21 | |
| So, uh. | 00:58:24 | |
| We can't just disregard that now. | 00:58:25 | |
| Let's move on to something more important is the safety. | 00:58:28 | |
| Of uh. | 00:58:33 | |
| Being down on those. | 00:58:34 | |
| It's kind of interesting to me, I. | 00:58:36 | |
| You know, I've often thought, what if I fell off the dock? | 00:58:38 | |
| How would I get back on the? | 00:58:42 | |
| I wouldn't. I'd have to swim to shore. | 00:58:44 | |
| Lucky for me, I'm a good swimmer. Not everybody is. | 00:58:47 | |
| So I think we need to address that. | 00:58:50 | |
| We should have a ladder. | 00:58:52 | |
| We should have. | 00:58:55 | |
| And we have nothing. | 00:58:57 | |
| At least something to toss to somebody if they fall off the dock. | 00:58:59 | |
| And I will follow it up with. | 00:59:03 | |
| We need to have some cameras. | 00:59:05 | |
| Because you guys know that the last time I was at the meeting, I brought up the the fact that somebody got attacked down on the | 00:59:08 | |
| dock. | 00:59:11 | |
| I don't think anything's ever happened with that. I don't think anybody's ever been charged. | 00:59:16 | |
| But had we had a camera? | 00:59:21 | |
| I mean, there's only two ways out of town. | 00:59:24 | |
| You know, they had to go one way or the other. | 00:59:27 | |
| And we could have gotten a license plate. | 00:59:30 | |
| And I was very upset about that happening. | 00:59:33 | |
| But uh. | 00:59:35 | |
| The gentleman that was attacked is here. | 00:59:36 | |
| So I'm hoping he will come up and discuss. | 00:59:38 | |
| What that was all about. | 00:59:41 | |
| And how we need to have. | 00:59:43 | |
| More cameras. | 00:59:46 | |
| In areas. | 00:59:48 | |
| Where there's people meeting. | 00:59:49 | |
| Things happen. | 00:59:51 | |
| All right. | 00:59:54 | |
| I'm Steve Birch. | 01:00:02 | |
| Durden St. Saint Mary's. | 01:00:05 | |
| I'm a boater also and it was my son that was attacked. And your name and address please. | 01:00:08 | |
| I did OK. | 01:00:13 | |
| Miss. | 01:00:15 | |
| Couldn't hear you. Could you repeat that? Can you bring the mic up? | 01:00:16 | |
| That's about as close as I'm right now. | 01:00:21 | |
| Bring up your mouth. There you go. | 01:00:23 | |
| That's good. Thank you, Steve Birch. | 01:00:25 | |
| Turdin St. Saint Mary's. | 01:00:28 | |
| Anyway, my son was a tech so I know what's going on there. | 01:00:31 | |
| And as far as the safety issue? | 01:00:34 | |
| You see little kids down there without their parents all the time if they fell off the dock. | 01:00:36 | |
| There's no way for them to get. | 01:00:40 | |
| So safety is an issue. | 01:00:43 | |
| When we go down there at night. | 01:00:45 | |
| There are a lot of people doing drugs on the dock Which? | 01:00:47 | |
| You know, and in the park, sitting on the benches there, which is kind of uncomfortable for people that don't need drugs. | 01:00:50 | |
| If you don't mind me asking, sure. | 01:00:56 | |
| Seen it or smelled it? | 01:00:58 | |
| Oh, no, more than every day. I mean, you know, like. | 01:01:01 | |
| There might be some nights four or five people down there. | 01:01:06 | |
| You know, couples or whatever doing it. | 01:01:09 | |
| Sunlight, Sir, may only be 1. | 01:01:11 | |
| Some lights are maybe none, but it's pretty. | 01:01:13 | |
| Consistent, uh. | 01:01:16 | |
| And it's never the same people. It's always different people. I don't know if they're from out of town or what. This. | 01:01:17 | |
| Sure, because this is a problem. | 01:01:22 | |
| And when you walk through the park at night? | 01:01:24 | |
| And sometimes the lights are out and you smell the drugs, everything it's. | 01:01:26 | |
| And especially after my son got attacked, we're a little. | 01:01:31 | |
| You know, worry about that kind of thing. | 01:01:34 | |
| But anyway, getting back to the Dingy Duck. | 01:01:36 | |
| One thing you all may not know about. | 01:01:39 | |
| People like us that come in on dinghies. | 01:01:41 | |
| Is we don't. | 01:01:44 | |
| Take up like this is the dock we. | 01:01:45 | |
| Park like this long ways. | 01:01:47 | |
| We tie the front rope. | 01:01:49 | |
| To the cleat. So when you have 6 cleats. | 01:01:52 | |
| You can get at least six dinghies, but usually if it's crowded, we'll get. | 01:01:54 | |
| 10 or 12 dinghies because we'll double tie on people that we know. | 01:01:58 | |
| So if you put just one boat there, like a fishing boat. | 01:02:01 | |
| You only get one vote there, but with the dignity you get a bunch. | 01:02:05 | |
| So we're trying to be. | 01:02:08 | |
| You know, at least the people that are here all the time now. I know some people that come in from out of town. | 01:02:09 | |
| They might tie up differently and take up more space than they should. | 01:02:15 | |
| But the people that are conscientious about this? | 01:02:19 | |
| You know, be very careful and take up the little room as possible because we know fishing boats want to be there. | 01:02:21 | |
| And there are many times when we come in and one vote. | 01:02:27 | |
| Will park in the middle. | 01:02:30 | |
| Of the dot when they could have either pulled forward or back. | 01:02:32 | |
| And there's no ring for the dinghy without your dinghy swinging and hitting them, and they don't like that, so we don't want to | 01:02:34 | |
| hit their boat. | 01:02:37 | |
| But as far as my son being attacked, that son. | 01:02:41 | |
| Something that, you know, the cameras really bother me because. | 01:02:44 | |
| The way the guy went out of the park. | 01:02:48 | |
| His face was never seen. | 01:02:51 | |
| As vehicles never seen. | 01:02:53 | |
| You know my son's got. | 01:02:56 | |
| Steel plate and his jaw. He had to have emergency surgery. | 01:02:57 | |
| Bleeding all of the duck. | 01:03:00 | |
| His face was shattered. | 01:03:02 | |
| Just some random idiot coming up. Just. | 01:03:05 | |
| Punching the hell out of him. | 01:03:07 | |
| You know, 7:00 at night. | 01:03:09 | |
| Sheila, I mean June. | 01:03:12 | |
| 13th Friday 13th. | 01:03:14 | |
| My son had done nothing to the guy, didn't even know who it was, The witnesses said they saw him just. | 01:03:17 | |
| Screaming and running over to my son who was standing by the Dean. | 01:03:22 | |
| With his arms to his side. | 01:03:25 | |
| And the guy just. | 01:03:27 | |
| Not them as far as it could. Knocked him out. | 01:03:28 | |
| So it would be nice to have some cameras to see. | 01:03:32 | |
| You know, people like that. | 01:03:34 | |
| So that's pretty much all that site. | 01:03:36 | |
| I just appreciate it. Thank you. Certainly sorry, but your son's. | 01:03:38 | |
| Jerry Brown below 805 Riverview Dr. West. | 01:03:48 | |
| I thought I'd get up here and talk tonight because we had all this. | 01:03:52 | |
| Talk about boats and everything, but I want to kind of talk about the big picture. First one is. | 01:03:55 | |
| Like Karen said, you know. | 01:04:00 | |
| We try to. | 01:04:02 | |
| Name ourselves, I think Candace was asking us not too long ago to. | 01:04:03 | |
| Come up with something and everybody says Gateway to Cumberland Island. We're a boating committee. | 01:04:07 | |
| We don't have a beat. | 01:04:13 | |
| But we got lots of bugs. | 01:04:14 | |
| And not just for people that live here. | 01:04:16 | |
| The whole surrounding Southeast Georgia comes to these boat ramps. | 01:04:19 | |
| And they bring a lot of money here. | 01:04:23 | |
| And what I've noticed over the last 12 years watching all the stuff go on. | 01:04:26 | |
| Because I'm down there every day, almost. | 01:04:31 | |
| Is that we not only got more boats. | 01:04:33 | |
| We got bigger butts. | 01:04:36 | |
| And some of these bigger boats can't fit in the boat. | 01:04:38 | |
| Parking areas. | 01:04:41 | |
| So we need to have. | 01:04:43 | |
| Develop a master plan. | 01:04:45 | |
| For parking. | 01:04:48 | |
| And it needs to be for all kinds of parking too, but the boat parking in particular, because a lot of people. | 01:04:49 | |
| Won't come to Willow St. boat ramp anymore because they can't find a. | 01:04:55 | |
| Placed a partner trailers. | 01:04:59 | |
| And they go to Meeting St. which means Meeting St. gets over. | 01:05:01 | |
| Book for Parking is on a busy weekend. | 01:05:05 | |
| So what I'd like to, not me, but people that talk to me and tell me all these issues would like to see is. | 01:05:08 | |
| As a capital improvement plan. | 01:05:15 | |
| That. | 01:05:18 | |
| That deals with parking for trailers. | 01:05:19 | |
| And adds more parking space. | 01:05:22 | |
| Because. | 01:05:24 | |
| You know, we got a nice little island downtown where Greg plants flowers. | 01:05:25 | |
| That used to be 21 boat and trailer parking places. | 01:05:30 | |
| Until it became an island. | 01:05:34 | |
| With trees and then we redid downtown and lost another 15 boat and trailer parking. So over the last 15 years we've lost 35. | 01:05:35 | |
| The trailer parkins downtown. | 01:05:44 | |
| So anyway, I'd like to see. | 01:05:46 | |
| And, and part of that could be like where we're parking the Park Service people over there now by the cemetery. That would be a | 01:05:47 | |
| great place to make a lot more boat and trailer parking over there. But I like to see it put in some kind of plan. | 01:05:52 | |
| For Wheeler St. and for Meeting St. | 01:05:58 | |
| And So what we'd also like is a capital improvement plan. | 01:06:02 | |
| Additions to our CIP that we're doing. | 01:06:06 | |
| That adds. | 01:06:08 | |
| That adds to the West. | 01:06:10 | |
| Back making it bigger. | 01:06:12 | |
| And adds to the meeting St. doc. | 01:06:15 | |
| Making it bigger. | 01:06:17 | |
| And what we'd like to see you guys doing when we ever resolve this Jacobi thing. | 01:06:19 | |
| Is that? | 01:06:24 | |
| We've put ourselves in a box over there on Meeting St. because we don't have room to expand the parking. | 01:06:25 | |
| Ought to build the restroom that needs to be there. | 01:06:32 | |
| So we need to acquire that little chunk of land. | 01:06:35 | |
| Where we dug up the dirt. | 01:06:38 | |
| When the governor was here. | 01:06:40 | |
| And make a restroom there and double the size of the parking lot at Meeting St. | 01:06:41 | |
| Just for the future of the community, you know, when all these people X1 come and get their boats and move in here and like I | 01:06:47 | |
| said, we got way more boats than we had 10 years ago. | 01:06:52 | |
| And they're getting bigger and bigger. | 01:06:56 | |
| So I'd like to say that kind of a comprehensive thing, but I'm the. | 01:06:59 | |
| Current situation downtown. | 01:07:02 | |
| I think that. | 01:07:05 | |
| What we don't want to do? | 01:07:08 | |
| Is charge people to come here and park? | 01:07:10 | |
| Because you got a lot of people come over here from Fernandina. | 01:07:13 | |
| And those people drive over here in a big boat. | 01:07:17 | |
| Park four or five hours. | 01:07:19 | |
| And go to locals. | 01:07:21 | |
| Signals or wherever and have dinner and spend a lot of money here. | 01:07:23 | |
| And there's more and more of that going on. | 01:07:26 | |
| And if you provide. | 01:07:28 | |
| That dark space, so they can do that. | 01:07:29 | |
| There will be more of that. | 01:07:32 | |
| You'll probably get more money in the Saint Mary's from that than you will. | 01:07:33 | |
| The ferry. | 01:07:37 | |
| That we may or may not ever do. | 01:07:38 | |
| But, and that's why you need to expand that box space downtown. | 01:07:41 | |
| And over at meeting St. is to accommodate those kinds of things and for future growth and that. | 01:07:45 | |
| Part of our boating community. | 01:07:50 | |
| So anyway to address the current issues down there? | 01:07:53 | |
| There's not a major problem there. | 01:07:57 | |
| But. | 01:08:00 | |
| You I think you need to set aside. | 01:08:00 | |
| A certain area of one of those dots for me. | 01:08:04 | |
| And have different rules for the dinghy dock. | 01:08:07 | |
| Then you do the boat. | 01:08:09 | |
| And then, and then, then you're, then you've got the dinghies where they need to be. | 01:08:11 | |
| And the boats where they need to be and the days need something different. | 01:08:16 | |
| Then somebody from Fernandina parking for six hours and having dinner. | 01:08:20 | |
| The beings have an issue. | 01:08:24 | |
| With time. | 01:08:25 | |
| And I would like to see the city just turn the water back on to the dock out there so they can get water because I don't believe | 01:08:27 | |
| that's a big expense for the city compared to the revenue that's generated by those people. | 01:08:32 | |
| I know what. | 01:08:38 | |
| So I probably forgot something, but that's my main thing is that we need to look. | 01:08:42 | |
| That, like I said, supporting. | 01:08:49 | |
| Voting in this community. | 01:08:51 | |
| With parking and docking space. | 01:08:53 | |
| I have a question for you. | 01:08:57 | |
| Umm, do you think there's any appetite for dry storage? | 01:09:01 | |
| Of boats that would alleviate so we have more parking for. | 01:09:04 | |
| Guessed the people who bring. I think we need a dry storage here especially. | 01:09:09 | |
| Like, I think like, come on, Harvey, Iceberg Cove and then the new development out there probably too, won't have enough space to | 01:09:15 | |
| accommodate people's boats and trailers inside those communities. | 01:09:20 | |
| And, and that would have been a great thing to have over here on meeting St. like it was originally planned. It's a story story. | 01:09:25 | |
| So the dry the stack storage. | 01:09:31 | |
| Where you could actually get your boat. | 01:09:34 | |
| Yeah, you go in. | 01:09:36 | |
| Yeah, we definitely need that, especially if we ever develop that like. | 01:09:38 | |
| Like was playing with a Marina over there. You need that dry storage and you got the place to do it, but you still need. | 01:09:43 | |
| The more parking and the restrooms. | 01:09:49 | |
| At Manning St. | 01:09:51 | |
| Thanks. That was for the Jacobi plan for that area. | 01:09:54 | |
| OK, good evening. My name is Jeff Myers. I'm at 306 W Weed St. | 01:09:57 | |
| I'm the one guilty for stirring up the hornet's nest on all the dock issues. | 01:10:09 | |
| And. | 01:10:15 | |
| I really hate it that I had to be the one to do it. | 01:10:17 | |
| I want to start off by something positive though, so this winter. | 01:10:22 | |
| A bunch of seasonal birds decided they wanted to take the East Dock and make it their living room. | 01:10:27 | |
| And it became really, really nasty. And I sent a note to Robbie about that. | 01:10:32 | |
| And within just a few days. | 01:10:37 | |
| He had somebody out there pressure washed the dock and got it all cleaned up, so that was great. | 01:10:41 | |
| But back to what I brought up a while back. | 01:10:48 | |
| My wife and I. | 01:10:53 | |
| Two very significant investments in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:10:55 | |
| With our first home and then a couple years ago completing. | 01:11:00 | |
| Construction of a Brandy home on Weed St. | 01:11:04 | |
| The reason? One of the primary reasons. | 01:11:07 | |
| We decided to build in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:11:11 | |
| Was access to the water with our boat. | 01:11:15 | |
| A beautiful public doc. | 01:11:20 | |
| And hate to say it, but we love Jerry. | 01:11:24 | |
| We love, you know, knuckleheads being right there and. | 01:11:27 | |
| And you know, he's a huge asset. | 01:11:30 | |
| The fact that he. | 01:11:32 | |
| Is working so hard in retirement to keep that bait shop up and going, That's awesome. | 01:11:34 | |
| So access to the water was. | 01:11:40 | |
| The primary reason we invested in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:11:43 | |
| And. | 01:11:47 | |
| Ever since the docks were rebuilt. | 01:11:49 | |
| I have seen overtime. | 01:11:52 | |
| Deterioration of the web rails. | 01:11:55 | |
| And all that and so. | 01:11:57 | |
| I guess you know, about a month and a half ago I was like, OK. | 01:12:01 | |
| So we have very little rub rails left. We've got. | 01:12:05 | |
| One thing that has been tied up to this doc for at least two years. | 01:12:09 | |
| And has not moved other than. | 01:12:14 | |
| When somebody used it to go out to. | 01:12:16 | |
| The sailboat and then it was tied back up in the same place. | 01:12:18 | |
| Which does not follow our six hour rule. | 01:12:22 | |
| Then I when I started asking a couple local. | 01:12:25 | |
| Sailboat. | 01:12:29 | |
| People that live aboard their sailboats. I was like. | 01:12:31 | |
| Whose thing is this that's been tied up for the last couple weeks? | 01:12:34 | |
| Filled with trash and water. | 01:12:38 | |
| And they said I gave that to somebody that lives in the area. | 01:12:40 | |
| And they haven't done anything with it. And then asked about another Dean that was tied up at the end of the six hour dock. | 01:12:44 | |
| That had been there for. | 01:12:51 | |
| I believe somewhere around two months. | 01:12:53 | |
| And I was told that it was a. | 01:12:56 | |
| Elementary school teachers boat. | 01:13:00 | |
| That had a sailboat or a power boat or something mowed out on the water. | 01:13:02 | |
| And you know, at some point you just reach a breaking point. It's like. | 01:13:07 | |
| I I follow the rules and everybody this so I will say I bet nobody's really counted this if you. | 01:13:13 | |
| Go look at. | 01:13:20 | |
| All of our what I'm going to call slips, which are fingers. | 01:13:22 | |
| Of all of our floating docks between St. | 01:13:25 | |
| And the docs that we had downtown, the 15 minute dock and the six hour dock. | 01:13:29 | |
| If you're if you assume a 17 foot boat to 25 foot boat. | 01:13:34 | |
| In that range, which is the majority? | 01:13:40 | |
| Of what the citizens of Saint Mary's and. | 01:13:43 | |
| Our guests from North Florida, it's not just South Georgia that comes and uses the boat ramp. | 01:13:46 | |
| Those are the general sizes that most people have. | 01:13:52 | |
| You basically have space to tie up about. | 01:13:55 | |
| 13 boats. | 01:13:59 | |
| And all of downtown Saint Mary's. And that doesn't even include the demise. | 01:14:01 | |
| So literally 13 votes. | 01:14:07 | |
| And so I reached out to. | 01:14:11 | |
| To Greg and city management. | 01:14:14 | |
| A while back about some of these issues. | 01:14:17 | |
| I had 3-4, four issues. One. | 01:14:19 | |
| Maintenance of the docks. | 01:14:22 | |
| To Denny's and commercial contractors. | 01:14:23 | |
| They were tying up boats overnight, sometimes weeks on end. | 01:14:29 | |
| The billionaire that just rebuilt his dock, his contractors kept one of their work boats tied up on the six hour dock for weeks | 01:14:33 | |
| and weeks and weeks. | 01:14:37 | |
| And it shouldn't be me as the citizen. | 01:14:42 | |
| Going to you guys and management. | 01:14:46 | |
| You guys need to manage this, not. | 01:14:49 | |
| Not me. I love living here and I hate. | 01:14:51 | |
| The fact that I know a lot of these people don't like me. | 01:14:54 | |
| Because I brought up issues and I started challenging status quo. | 01:14:58 | |
| It's and at the end of the day, it's about respect of all of our fellow neighbors. | 01:15:03 | |
| And honoring our rules. | 01:15:08 | |
| And it's up to the city to manage that. | 01:15:11 | |
| And so. | 01:15:15 | |
| Yeah. | 01:15:19 | |
| We have the gateway Marina now. | 01:15:23 | |
| The last time I heard we were running about $100,000 deficit on that. | 01:15:25 | |
| We now have a solution for people that live on the water. | 01:15:31 | |
| For their needs. | 01:15:34 | |
| If they need water, we have it. | 01:15:36 | |
| Now, I don't think that our fee structure is correct on that based on what I've seen. | 01:15:38 | |
| If they need to leave their boat in their dinghy in the water for more than six hours, we're distribution for that. It's $5 a day | 01:15:43 | |
| to tie up a dingy over at the Gateway dock. | 01:15:49 | |
| And if you if you rent it by the week, it's $4.28. | 01:15:54 | |
| And you know, we as citizens and leadership of this community. | 01:16:02 | |
| We have a big deficit on that. | 01:16:08 | |
| We need revenue sources. | 01:16:10 | |
| Well, some of that can. There's some revenue source right there, commercial contractors that are working on the island. | 01:16:12 | |
| Literally I had to send you all an e-mail the other day about that as an example. I shouldn't have to do that. | 01:16:19 | |
| You know, we, you know, if they don't want to take their boat on and off the trailer, we've got a solution for that. It's called | 01:16:26 | |
| the Gateway Marina. | 01:16:30 | |
| For overnight. | 01:16:34 | |
| Tying up of your boat. | 01:16:36 | |
| So if you know. | 01:16:37 | |
| We can very easily start chipping away at that deficit. | 01:16:39 | |
| On that SO. | 01:16:44 | |
| You know the Gateway Marine? It offers water, it offers power, it offers pump out service. | 01:16:47 | |
| It offers a place for denies. | 01:16:54 | |
| It's it's, it's, it's the facility you need if you live on the water. | 01:16:58 | |
| The only thing it doesn't have is fuel. | 01:17:02 | |
| So. | 01:17:05 | |
| You know, and as far as the the kayak dock. | 01:17:07 | |
| With there being basically 13. | 01:17:11 | |
| In Saint Mary's. | 01:17:15 | |
| I was just trying to look at. | 01:17:16 | |
| Where do we have? | 01:17:18 | |
| With what we currently own. | 01:17:20 | |
| How can we better utilize the space that we have? | 01:17:23 | |
| And there was nothing personal against you. I did not know you were a kayaker. I did go to Jerry and I asked him. I was like, is | 01:17:27 | |
| there anybody that I've never seen anybody use it? | 01:17:32 | |
| Ever and he was like the only time he ever uses it is when he rents A2 person kayak. | 01:17:37 | |
| And he'll put him in the kayak launch there. And I said, I asked him, I said. | 01:17:45 | |
| Well, if that wasn't there. | 01:17:50 | |
| Could you roll that that kayak down to the dock? | 01:17:52 | |
| And have them get in the kayak. | 01:17:56 | |
| On the floating dock and he said yes. | 01:17:58 | |
| So I will tell you that that that kayak launch. | 01:18:01 | |
| It will hold seven days in that space and you cannot put a power vote in there because of the side current. It's it's impossible. | 01:18:05 | |
| But if you guys go watch how maneuverable a dinghy is, most of them. | 01:18:12 | |
| They can literally do 360° turns they can turn on. | 01:18:19 | |
| So it may be. | 01:18:25 | |
| The worst idea ever. | 01:18:26 | |
| But it was an idea. | 01:18:28 | |
| To better utilize what we have. | 01:18:30 | |
| The last point that I want to make is those 13 spaces. | 01:18:33 | |
| I took it upon myself today and I called DNR. | 01:18:37 | |
| Took me about two minutes to get in touch with the guy. | 01:18:41 | |
| That's responsible for all the public boat ramps. | 01:18:44 | |
| In coastal Georgia and all the public docs that they helped fund. | 01:18:47 | |
| And. | 01:18:52 | |
| To confirm, just so everybody in here knows. | 01:18:53 | |
| The city owns those. | 01:18:56 | |
| And the city is 100% responsible for managing and maintaining the docks. And I'm Speaking of the Wheeler St. dock and I'm Speaking | 01:18:58 | |
| of the Meeting St. **** So. | 01:19:04 | |
| And and if we want to make changes to how those docs are used, he said it is very simple because I brought up the kayak launch as | 01:19:11 | |
| an example and I told him I was like, I may be the only person that likes this idea, but if people do like the idea and we want to | 01:19:17 | |
| move forward with it, how big of a deal is it? | 01:19:23 | |
| He said all you guys have to do is send me a letter in writing of what you want to do and it's called a letter of permission LLP. | 01:19:30 | |
| And he said it's very simple because you guys aren't changing the footprint. | 01:19:37 | |
| Of the docks. | 01:19:42 | |
| It's literally you just want to better utilize the space you have so. | 01:19:44 | |
| That literally took me about 5 or 10 minutes. | 01:19:48 | |
| And I think it's sad, I heard. | 01:19:52 | |
| That there was leadership in our city that didn't even know. | 01:19:55 | |
| Whether or not we could do that. | 01:19:59 | |
| That's one of the biggest assets we own people. | 01:20:01 | |
| Don't know. | 01:20:05 | |
| That we own it. | 01:20:07 | |
| We manage it. | 01:20:08 | |
| We make the rules, I will tell you. So right after that dock was built, that kayak launch got destroyed. You got, do you all | 01:20:09 | |
| remember that We had a very small storm and it destroyed the dock. It's going to happen again. | 01:20:15 | |
| That little kayak launch is going to be among pit. | 01:20:22 | |
| All it's going to take is another. | 01:20:25 | |
| Brush of. | 01:20:27 | |
| And it's going to be gone again. | 01:20:29 | |
| So, umm. | 01:20:31 | |
| That's thank you. | 01:20:32 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 01:20:34 | |
| I would like to say. | 01:20:37 | |
| Steve Birch again. | 01:20:41 | |
| Could you tell me how much revenue? | 01:20:42 | |
| The swing set. | 01:20:44 | |
| And the Merry Go rounds bring in the Saint Mary's. | 01:20:46 | |
| Free public parks and stuff. | 01:20:49 | |
| I mean, does everything have to be about money? | 01:20:51 | |
| Are there no services that can be provided for free? | 01:20:54 | |
| I mean. | 01:20:57 | |
| If this gentleman thinks that people should go to the Marina, maybe he should take his big boat to the Marina. | 01:20:58 | |
| You know what I'm saying? And pay for that. | 01:21:03 | |
| Not everybody can afford that, especially somebody like me that's on Social Security. | 01:21:05 | |
| I mean, I don't even get $1000 a month. | 01:21:09 | |
| You know, so it makes it a little harder on the people like us. | 01:21:12 | |
| You know other people, you know some of these people that come in from out of town. | 01:21:15 | |
| Like the billionaire. | 01:21:18 | |
| Hey, you know, $100 a night is nothing to these people. | 01:21:20 | |
| $5 a day would kill me. | 01:21:24 | |
| So I think you ought to just. | 01:21:27 | |
| Think about. Not everything has to be about. | 01:21:29 | |
| Prophet now does the. | 01:21:31 | |
| Does the Marina have to make a profit? Does everything that the city owns? | 01:21:33 | |
| Make a profit, Should it make a profit or y'all business people? | 01:21:38 | |
| Or you leaders? | 01:21:42 | |
| And providing services for people. | 01:21:43 | |
| So let's not get tied up with all this money issue, I mean. | 01:21:46 | |
| Come on, have a little. | 01:21:49 | |
| Heart, you know, this is, that's why we came to this town. It was like Mayberry. | 01:21:51 | |
| You know, hell, if we want to be in Mount Pilate, we'd leave. | 01:21:56 | |
| Now let's keep it like may bear, let's keep it friendly and. | 01:21:59 | |
| And when people have complaints and stuff, they should come to people like us instead of. | 01:22:02 | |
| You know, going behind somebody's back and going to the city and complaining and. | 01:22:06 | |
| You know, threatening people. You know things should be. | 01:22:10 | |
| Held a little more. | 01:22:12 | |
| You know, neighborly. | 01:22:14 | |
| So if there's, you know. | 01:22:16 | |
| Again. | 01:22:19 | |
| Do we have to make a profit on everything, Mayor? | 01:22:20 | |
| Well, you obviously haven't been watching many meetings because I've been having that same argument about the other things. There | 01:22:24 | |
| are people in the audience that think we should. So I just want to say we all have different opinions, obviously. | 01:22:30 | |
| Rob Whitley again, just to remind us that. | 01:22:37 | |
| In my portion of it when I discussed the favorite dock. | 01:22:40 | |
| Is the West Dock. | 01:22:45 | |
| The other one is. | 01:22:47 | |
| Highly unused. | 01:22:48 | |
| It's not the favorite doc. | 01:22:50 | |
| So merely assigning. | 01:22:53 | |
| The time limits will do some natural attrition. | 01:22:55 | |
| And the people that he's worried about. | 01:22:58 | |
| Will be out of his way. | 01:23:01 | |
| And I'll be on the different. | 01:23:03 | |
| And will still be clustered up into a small group. | 01:23:04 | |
| And that does. | 01:23:07 | |
| Truly leave room for the physical. | 01:23:08 | |
| 14 to 26 foot. | 01:23:11 | |
| Fishing boats to be all around that. | 01:23:14 | |
| I mean, that's their favorite, they go there either way, but merely changing the. | 01:23:17 | |
| Time limit. | 01:23:22 | |
| Does not say who goes where. It's how long you do whatever you are, how long you going to be there. | 01:23:23 | |
| That's all it means. | 01:23:28 | |
| And natural. | 01:23:30 | |
| If somebody's got employment, they need the longer term if they're going fishing. | 01:23:32 | |
| Correct the signs from 50 minutes to 30, even an hour, whatever you want, but it would allow. | 01:23:37 | |
| More 15 to. | 01:23:43 | |
| Umm 15 to 30 foot boats like his. His is 32. He needs a lot of room. | 01:23:45 | |
| And in particular, he's asked. | 01:23:52 | |
| That we clear off. | 01:23:54 | |
| The part of the. | 01:23:55 | |
| Right hand dock that the West on so his boat could go. | 01:23:57 | |
| It's taken a couple of our guys down there to discuss that more than one time, so he wouldn't have room for his vote. | 01:24:02 | |
| And he's willing to push us all the way off of our for the solution where we take ourselves off. | 01:24:08 | |
| I'm gonna go over there and. | 01:24:14 | |
| And nobody will miss us. We'll be over there. | 01:24:15 | |
| Still spending our one to $2000 each in. | 01:24:18 | |
| City of Saint Mary's every month. | 01:24:21 | |
| And because we're not there, that if that's the only part that's free, that's the only part that's free. We still got to eat, | 01:24:24 | |
| spend money, everything else that happens in the city of Saint Mary's. | 01:24:28 | |
| So we are not nobody. We are we do spend money. | 01:24:34 | |
| Thank you. | 01:24:37 | |
| Larry White, 102 Suvies Court. | 01:24:48 | |
| I promise to be brief. | 01:24:50 | |
| OK, not like everybody. | 01:24:52 | |
| The last point I forgot to mention. | 01:24:55 | |
| Was everybody that lives. | 01:24:58 | |
| West of Spur 40. | 01:25:01 | |
| And north of 40. | 01:25:03 | |
| In Saint Mary's. | 01:25:06 | |
| Cannot drive a golf cart downtown. | 01:25:07 | |
| I will bring it up again. I brought it up before. | 01:25:12 | |
| You need to have a crock because I used to come downtown on our golf cart. | 01:25:15 | |
| And since. | 01:25:18 | |
| The law was changed. | 01:25:19 | |
| That we couldn't take it down to sell it. | 01:25:21 | |
| Right, So what I'd like to know is, is there a way? | 01:25:23 | |
| You get a crossing. | 01:25:27 | |
| And Doug, 'cause we used to come down Dulles Drive. | 01:25:28 | |
| Cross Spur 40. | 01:25:31 | |
| Go down Douglas drives and go downtown on our golf cart. | 01:25:33 | |
| It's not possible anymore. | 01:25:36 | |
| Because it's illegal. | 01:25:37 | |
| To cross Spur 40 on Douglas Drive. | 01:25:39 | |
| However. | 01:25:43 | |
| I've seen golf carts. | 01:25:44 | |
| Driving on the sidewalk. | 01:25:46 | |
| On a spur of 40. | 01:25:48 | |
| Coming down, down. | 01:25:50 | |
| Huh. I know it's a no no. | 01:25:54 | |
| But they still do it. | 01:25:55 | |
| And they don't care. | 01:25:57 | |
| I've also seen young kids. | 01:25:59 | |
| Driving golf carts. | 01:26:01 | |
| In my neighborhood. | 01:26:02 | |
| You're supposed to have 16 years old. | 01:26:04 | |
| Have a license or being. | 01:26:06 | |
| Supervised by. | 01:26:08 | |
| Licensed Adult. | 01:26:09 | |
| To operate a golf cart. | 01:26:11 | |
| So I'd like to know. | 01:26:12 | |
| If the city is going to try. | 01:26:14 | |
| To come up with a plan. | 01:26:16 | |
| For allowing golf. | 01:26:17 | |
| To get downtown from where I live. | 01:26:19 | |
| Yes. | 01:26:22 | |
| Yes, yes. All right. Thank you. | 01:26:24 | |
| I too will be brief on this one. Valerie Fouch, 310 W Bryant. | 01:26:34 | |
| I think I would like to address the. | 01:26:38 | |
| $300 billion. | 01:26:41 | |
| Elephant in the room? | 01:26:43 | |
| You know, we're sitting here and we're talking about we need to do this in the future and we've got to have this much more. | 01:26:46 | |
| We don't even know what our future is going to be right now. | 01:26:51 | |
| With the fact that we have Mr. Walter buying. | 01:26:54 | |
| Pretty much all of downtown. | 01:26:57 | |
| I hope he's going to be a good steward. | 01:27:00 | |
| I have asked the city manager. | 01:27:02 | |
| Does he have any buzz? Does he know what's going on? Can you throw me a bone? | 01:27:06 | |
| And he said absolutely not. | 01:27:10 | |
| As of when I spoke to Mr. Horton. | 01:27:12 | |
| About six weeks ago. | 01:27:15 | |
| He had not gotten heard any information back from Mr. Walter at that point, nor any of his associates. | 01:27:19 | |
| So we can sit here all night long and talk about what we're going to do. | 01:27:26 | |
| When, where and how and how much and what we're going to get. | 01:27:30 | |
| We really don't know what we're gonna get. | 01:27:33 | |
| I don't know how we can find out because he's a private businessman. | 01:27:36 | |
| Private businessman can do what he wants. He can buy what he wants as long as he follows the rules and ordinances. | 01:27:41 | |
| He can do it. | 01:27:46 | |
| But are we still going to be? | 01:27:48 | |
| The Saint Mary's that we all want to be. | 01:27:50 | |
| I don't know. | 01:27:53 | |
| I honestly do not know. I don't know anything about this gentleman. I've tried going down the rabbit hole. | 01:27:56 | |
| All I'm getting is this. | 01:28:00 | |
| Basic, you know, business investments and and he owns this, that and whatever. | 01:28:02 | |
| Is anyone in the city trying to figure out who this gentleman is? | 01:28:07 | |
| I hope so. | 01:28:12 | |
| And I think and, and I think as business owners, I think as stakeholders, I think as citizens that live here. | 01:28:14 | |
| I live 1 block from everything he's playing. | 01:28:20 | |
| I have no idea what he's going to do. Is he going to make it into a little St. Simons? | 01:28:23 | |
| I love Saint Simons. I spend a lot of time and money at Saint Simons. | 01:28:28 | |
| Do I want to live in Saint Simons downtown? No. | 01:28:32 | |
| I like my little corner across from the cemetery. It's all quiet over there. | 01:28:36 | |
| And that's the way I like to keep it. | 01:28:41 | |
| But if it becomes something that is not right now and it could be in 10 years. | 01:28:43 | |
| We're going to have a constant. | 01:28:48 | |
| This. | 01:28:50 | |
| All the way around with traffic and people. | 01:28:51 | |
| I don't like traffic and. | 01:28:54 | |
| I mean, let's face it, I'm getting older. I'm getting real impatient with people in general, but. | 01:28:56 | |
| Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know who in the city is reaching out and who in the city can give us a report. | 01:29:02 | |
| Can they give us a report every day? | 01:29:09 | |
| Six weeks. 8 weeks. | 01:29:12 | |
| Can we even get our legal organ who's not even here tonight? | 01:29:14 | |
| To do a series. | 01:29:20 | |
| On Mr. Walter. | 01:29:23 | |
| To do a series on what he. | 01:29:25 | |
| I have heard I talked to a gentleman that lived in Colorado and he frequented Crested Butte. | 01:29:27 | |
| It's great town. | 01:29:32 | |
| But I don't know what the town was before it was great. | 01:29:34 | |
| I mean, I honestly, we, we need to figure this out because right now we're just kind of throwing stuff at a wall and see what | 01:29:37 | |
| sticks. | 01:29:40 | |
| Until we get to the next election or the next budget. | 01:29:44 | |
| We've got to have blonde, not blinders, but we've got to be focused. We have to be focused. We can't keep getting distracted by | 01:29:47 | |
| the shiny objects. | 01:29:51 | |
| Frankly, you know my discernment is telling me. | 01:29:56 | |
| I'm not. I don't know if I'm gonna like what's coming and. | 01:30:00 | |
| And and you know, we're talking about we have one fuel pump. | 01:30:03 | |
| In town. | 01:30:07 | |
| When Mr. Walters coming in and he's built this huge Marina. | 01:30:08 | |
| It's going to have some great boats coming in. | 01:30:12 | |
| But he. | 01:30:14 | |
| Doesn't have access to that fuel pump. | 01:30:15 | |
| So what's going to happen? Is he going to buy that fuel pump? Is he going to buy? | 01:30:18 | |
| Honestly, I don't know. | 01:30:23 | |
| And but I think as a citizen. | 01:30:24 | |
| Citizens, we deserve to kind of get a heads up. | 01:30:27 | |
| Maybe again, the legal organ can kind of lay the foundation and start having maybe a series of. | 01:30:33 | |
| Interviews. | 01:30:40 | |
| I don't know. | 01:30:41 | |
| I'm just a citizen. I'm a very concerned citizen right now because when I. | 01:30:42 | |
| Here full time. Eight years ago it was. | 01:30:46 | |
| Mayberry and now I don't know what it's going to be. | 01:30:49 | |
| And you know, I had planned on retiring here forever. Well, if it becomes something that I actually left. | 01:30:53 | |
| After we before we retired, I don't know. | 01:30:59 | |
| So if we can get a little information that would be awesome. | 01:31:02 | |
| Thank you. | 01:31:06 | |
| I want another 15 minutes. | 01:31:11 | |
| You know, like you said, he's a private gentleman. He's done. | 01:31:14 | |
| His private transactions with other private individuals. | 01:31:18 | |
| The city has not been involved. | 01:31:21 | |
| These not, you know. | 01:31:24 | |
| Communicated to us at all and. | 01:31:26 | |
| You know we've. | 01:31:29 | |
| Speaking to his representatives and they have not told us anything about any kind of ideas or plans. | 01:31:30 | |
| That he has. | 01:31:36 | |
| You know so. | 01:31:37 | |
| We don't know anything more than what you know. | 01:31:38 | |
| All we know is that you know we have. | 01:31:40 | |
| Our planning department and the policies and the ordinances that we have in place to control. | 01:31:43 | |
| You know. | 01:31:49 | |
| As much as we can, you know. But. | 01:31:50 | |
| That's what we have, you know, and that's unfortunately but. | 01:31:52 | |
| That's all we have and. | 01:31:54 | |
| If the newspaper can get something out of it. | 01:31:55 | |
| Great, you know. | 01:31:58 | |
| And Dallas we loved in that. | 01:32:00 | |
| To the best that. | 01:32:02 | |
| I can get out of somebody that works for the organization. | 01:32:04 | |
| You know, it's not a plan by any means. | 01:32:08 | |
| But you know, for the short term plan. | 01:32:10 | |
| Is just he does want the buildings and businesses that they to remain open. | 01:32:13 | |
| You know. | 01:32:18 | |
| He does want it to have the local flair, so if the. | 01:32:18 | |
| Business that is still there, he's leasing it back to him for. | 01:32:21 | |
| Reasonable. | 01:32:24 | |
| Rent, I guess you'd say. | 01:32:26 | |
| As he leases them back. | 01:32:28 | |
| And if the business owner you know if their existing lease expires. | 01:32:29 | |
| You know, it is what's been told to me that he does desire to keep the businesses open. If it's with the current ownership, great. | 01:32:33 | |
| If a local person comes to if a building comes open or vacant, that he would. | 01:32:39 | |
| Entertain that. | 01:32:43 | |
| And wants it to have local flair. | 01:32:44 | |
| And that's a short term plan. I don't know what the long term plan is. | 01:32:47 | |
| If for some reason it becomes vacant. | 01:32:50 | |
| And nobody steps up. | 01:32:53 | |
| Based off his you know. | 01:32:55 | |
| Investments in business partners he has. | 01:32:56 | |
| Nationally, he does have. | 01:32:59 | |
| People in the restaurant business that he could bring in, he does have people in retail that he could bring in if needed. | 01:33:01 | |
| But uh. | 01:33:06 | |
| It seems based off the information that I've been given from one of them. | 01:33:07 | |
| Employees that. | 01:33:11 | |
| He does want it to stay like it is for the for the now. | 01:33:12 | |
| And that's the best I can give you that have conversations that I've had. | 01:33:15 | |
| And I would point out as well that he did rebuild the Marina in the exact same footprint that. | 01:33:20 | |
| Was previously there. | 01:33:26 | |
| So. | 01:33:27 | |
| Well, he could have applied. Good evening. My name is Jeff Berg. | 01:33:32 | |
| Citizen, Saint Mary's and Live with 11. | 01:33:36 | |
| 15 Colerain Rd. Saint Mary's. | 01:33:38 | |
| A couple things I'd like to say. | 01:33:41 | |
| As a citizen. | 01:33:43 | |
| The kayak dock. | 01:33:46 | |
| I used to use it a whole lot. | 01:33:49 | |
| I don't use it as much now. | 01:33:52 | |
| And it's, it's, it's an awesome thing down there. | 01:33:53 | |
| Along with the standard paddle board. | 01:33:57 | |
| Launch. That's right next to that. | 01:33:59 | |
| Now as far as the. | 01:34:01 | |
| Thing you just been there for two years? | 01:34:03 | |
| I rescued that thing. | 01:34:06 | |
| It was from that. | 01:34:08 | |
| Sailboat that sunk out there in the river. | 01:34:09 | |
| It was left there, left there, left there. | 01:34:12 | |
| I bailed it out every time it got. | 01:34:14 | |
| Almost long if I let that thing sink. | 01:34:17 | |
| Nobody would even have known about it. | 01:34:20 | |
| You know, except maybe general. | 01:34:22 | |
| And so I I bailed that thing out. | 01:34:24 | |
| Multiple times. | 01:34:26 | |
| Before I. | 01:34:28 | |
| Took ownership of it. | 01:34:28 | |
| OK. | 01:34:30 | |
| So we don't take a lot of spots. I mean, we take up to one side. | 01:34:31 | |
| Best remarks wouldn't even think about putting his boat on that side of the. | 01:34:35 | |
| Of the dark. | 01:34:38 | |
| Because the mud. | 01:34:39 | |
| Of shallowness. All that stuff you wouldn't even think about. | 01:34:41 | |
| But he brings up the issues of all the. | 01:34:44 | |
| OK, now as far as. | 01:34:47 | |
| Safety. | 01:34:49 | |
| Yes, rings. | 01:34:51 | |
| Absolutely life. | 01:34:53 | |
| Some little kid falls in over there. | 01:34:55 | |
| He's gone. | 01:34:57 | |
| Him or whatever, they're gone. One way or the other, they're gone. They're going under the die. | 01:34:58 | |
| They're gonna die. | 01:35:02 | |
| So many catches, you know, catches both of them. | 01:35:04 | |
| And if there's no life brings? | 01:35:06 | |
| They're not. They're not going to be saved unless somebody's. | 01:35:08 | |
| Brave enough or able to? | 01:35:11 | |
| Go and get them. | 01:35:13 | |
| OK, personally. | 01:35:15 | |
| Our old writer. | 01:35:18 | |
| Helen and her husband like Ty Yakin. | 01:35:19 | |
| They left. | 01:35:22 | |
| The dock behind knuckleheads. | 01:35:23 | |
| They went out. | 01:35:26 | |
| They got about. | 01:35:28 | |
| 10 feet out. | 01:35:30 | |
| In the dock, they flipped over. It was cold. It was like. | 01:35:31 | |
| Early in the year it was like February or something, I don't remember exactly what, but it was cold. | 01:35:35 | |
| What leader was the gentleman? | 01:35:40 | |
| At the dock from Fernandina that had his boat. | 01:35:43 | |
| I went down to him. He was there ready to help. | 01:35:47 | |
| To help help them out. | 01:35:50 | |
| I ran down to help him to help them get out. | 01:35:51 | |
| They floated. | 01:35:54 | |
| All the way down. | 01:35:56 | |
| Past the new Marina that was built over the billionaires. | 01:35:57 | |
| Marina, OK. | 01:36:02 | |
| The husband. | 01:36:04 | |
| Was almost unconscious from being cold. | 01:36:05 | |
| But if? | 01:36:08 | |
| I watched him flip over in the kayak as close as they were. | 01:36:09 | |
| There was nothing to throat me. | 01:36:13 | |
| To help them out. | 01:36:15 | |
| You know, and that and her husband. | 01:36:16 | |
| He could have died. | 01:36:18 | |
| I mean, he almost passed out. | 01:36:19 | |
| And he was act close. | 01:36:21 | |
| You know, umm. | 01:36:22 | |
| So as far as the safety part, absolutely speed safety rings. | 01:36:23 | |
| Down there. | 01:36:27 | |
| And as far as the rub rails on the outside. | 01:36:29 | |
| The voters keep crashing into them. | 01:36:32 | |
| The power boaters, not the dinghies. | 01:36:33 | |
| The power builders crashed into these damn things and I'm sorry and. | 01:36:36 | |
| Destroying all the rub rails over there. | 01:36:41 | |
| You know. | 01:36:43 | |
| They need to learn how to drive their bones. | 01:36:45 | |
| Mr. Myers wouldn't be caught dead. | 01:36:48 | |
| Talking his boat where the dinghies parked right now, that's such a problem for him. | 01:36:50 | |
| But he wouldn't be caught there parking his boat. | 01:36:55 | |
| And that side of that. | 01:36:58 | |
| Back, especially at a low tide. | 01:37:00 | |
| He's both 30. | 01:37:02 | |
| You know it's. | 01:37:03 | |
| It's crazy, some of this stuff. | 01:37:05 | |
| But that's what I have to say and that's mostly on the safety side and. | 01:37:06 | |
| Just a little insight on the. | 01:37:10 | |
| Through digging dock and the safety part of it. | 01:37:13 | |
| Thank you. Thank. | 01:37:16 | |
| Hello. | 01:37:24 | |
| Good evening. My name is Stephen Birch, 3 to 5 Jordan St. St. Mary's. | 01:37:30 | |
| I also live on a boat. | 01:37:35 | |
| And I was the one that was attacked on the dock. | 01:37:37 | |
| On June 13th. | 01:37:39 | |
| And I'm still recovering from the jaw surgery so I can't quite talk right. | 01:37:41 | |
| But I just want to say that when I was attacked. | 01:37:45 | |
| The man that attacked me, I didn't recognize him. I still to this day have no clue who he was. | 01:37:48 | |
| Multiple witnesses saw the attack. | 01:37:53 | |
| Multiple witnesses saw him leave. | 01:37:55 | |
| Nobody recognized me. | 01:37:57 | |
| Was probably from out of town. | 01:37:59 | |
| The problem is. | 01:38:01 | |
| There were no cameras. | 01:38:02 | |
| That saw him come. | 01:38:04 | |
| To the park. | 01:38:05 | |
| Or leave the part. | 01:38:06 | |
| If there were. | 01:38:08 | |
| Working cameras. | 01:38:10 | |
| Someone would have been able to. | 01:38:11 | |
| Get a description of him. | 01:38:14 | |
| And find out who he was. | 01:38:16 | |
| As of now, I've been told by the. | 01:38:18 | |
| City of Saint Mary's Police Department. | 01:38:20 | |
| Who did a spectacular job? | 01:38:22 | |
| Investigating the case. | 01:38:25 | |
| That they're on a standstill. | 01:38:26 | |
| And the case has been marked as inactive. | 01:38:28 | |
| So that's very frustrating to me because. | 01:38:31 | |
| You know I am the victim of a. | 01:38:34 | |
| Brutal assault. I still have no idea who the guy was, why he did it or anything. And he's running free. | 01:38:36 | |
| But I just wanna. | 01:38:42 | |
| Suggest maybe better cameras would be good for the heart. | 01:38:43 | |
| For safety purposes. | 01:38:46 | |
| And I just want to say as a boater. | 01:38:49 | |
| We try to get along with everybody. We. | 01:38:52 | |
| You know, we're trying to stay out of people's way, double tie the dinghies when we need to. | 01:38:53 | |
| Especially like on events like Thanksgiving. | 01:38:57 | |
| You might have them triple time have 20 dinghies on one side. | 01:39:00 | |
| So we all try to get along. | 01:39:03 | |
| And that's just all I want to say. | 01:39:06 | |
| Thank you. | 01:39:08 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 01:39:09 | |
| Jeff Myers 306 W weed I've got one other thing has nothing to do with the docs that I wanted to. | 01:39:14 | |
| Bring up with City Council and. | 01:39:20 | |
| City leadership. | 01:39:23 | |
| This past winter I noticed. | 01:39:25 | |
| On several occasions over several weeks in the winter time. | 01:39:28 | |
| People camping. | 01:39:33 | |
| In trucks and campers. | 01:39:36 | |
| On Saint Mary's Road, like near the waterfront. | 01:39:38 | |
| Over by the parking that's really close to the gateway property. | 01:39:42 | |
| And the reason that I noticed them is. | 01:39:47 | |
| They were bold enough to be setting up like camping kitchens. | 01:39:49 | |
| In gorillas and oil pots. | 01:39:54 | |
| Dish cleaning supplies and a parking spot next to. | 01:39:59 | |
| Where they were. | 01:40:03 | |
| Camping. | 01:40:05 | |
| And so I called the chief of police about it. | 01:40:06 | |
| And he said there's absolutely nothing I can do about that. | 01:40:10 | |
| There is nothing illegal as our laws are written in Saint Mary's about camping on our public streets. | 01:40:15 | |
| So you know as a. | 01:40:23 | |
| Citizen that lives downtown. | 01:40:26 | |
| I don't want to be looking at people camping on the streets that we're walking on and. | 01:40:28 | |
| And riding our golf carts on, it's just not, you wouldn't want that in a traditional suburban neighborhood and just because we're | 01:40:33 | |
| a very, very small little urban community. | 01:40:38 | |
| We don't need that either. | 01:40:44 | |
| I actually think I did find something in the ordinance and and talk with. | 01:40:46 | |
| She got away about this several months ago so. | 01:40:50 | |
| I haven't noticed it. | 01:40:54 | |
| Recently. | 01:40:55 | |
| Yeah, I haven't either. Hopefully. | 01:40:55 | |
| You know what I found gave him enough. | 01:40:57 | |
| Teeth to do something about it. So OK, good. Thank you. | 01:41:00 | |
| I'm going to make this short like Larry. One more thing. Mark Bouts, 310 W Bryant St. | 01:41:12 | |
| I referenced a contract between Rainier and Saint Mary's from 2022. | 01:41:18 | |
| And the 30 to $60 million bonds were predicated. | 01:41:22 | |
| On retail and housing in that particular area out of the exit 1. | 01:41:27 | |
| The golf course. | 01:41:32 | |
| Is now in construction. That wasn't considered in that contract. | 01:41:34 | |
| And. | 01:41:38 | |
| I don't know how many acres a golf course takes, 23400, something like that. | 01:41:39 | |
| But what I wanted to ask was. | 01:41:43 | |
| Has the infrastructure that was planned. | 01:41:46 | |
| At that time. | 01:41:49 | |
| Needing the 30 to $60 million financing. | 01:41:50 | |
| Has that been revisited to reflect the change in the use of the land from? | 01:41:53 | |
| Housing and retail into a golf course. | 01:41:57 | |
| In my mind, we don't need that much infrastructure, so. | 01:42:02 | |
| Probably we should be. | 01:42:04 | |
| Considering. | 01:42:06 | |
| Revising that $60 million bond issue is coming up. | 01:42:08 | |
| Well, the infrastructure is not. | 01:42:11 | |
| On their property. | 01:42:13 | |
| Yeah, Susan Lines leading to that, it's the Entrance Rd. those kinds of things. The Fire Station Rd. | 01:42:15 | |
| The water treatment plants not. | 01:42:20 | |
| On their property. | 01:42:22 | |
| Per se. | 01:42:24 | |
| And of course, by having the golf course, it increases the. | 01:42:25 | |
| Property values of the homes that are there, I believe they're starting in the 600's. | 01:42:29 | |
| Is what you know. | 01:42:33 | |
| That what I've heard. | 01:42:34 | |
| You know, and so. | 01:42:36 | |
| In the property in the golf course itself does have a property value. | 01:42:38 | |
| I think the estimate it was $13 million or something in that range, but I don't know where it's at now with. | 01:42:42 | |
| That was an original paperwork. | 01:42:48 | |
| You know that. | 01:42:50 | |
| But yes, I mean. | 01:42:51 | |
| Yeah, well, for storylines and things like that, if you've got a 200 acre golf course. | 01:42:54 | |
| And you've got, let's say. | 01:42:59 | |
| 4 houses per acre. | 01:43:01 | |
| There's 800 housing units that don't need the sewer. | 01:43:04 | |
| OK. So you can, you can downsize your infrastructure a little bit because you're not using so many. | 01:43:07 | |
| Our engineers have reduced the estimated cost from I believe or the original 60 million got it down into the 40 million. | 01:43:12 | |
| Dollar range. | 01:43:21 | |
| Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. | 01:43:22 | |
| Stephen Birch again, 305 Burton Street. | 01:43:34 | |
| Umm, Mr. Myers brought up the issue of campers. | 01:43:37 | |
| Parking downtown. | 01:43:39 | |
| These are people that are just traveling through. Some of them are visiting the Cumberland. | 01:43:41 | |
| National Parking. | 01:43:45 | |
| Or visiting our city. | 01:43:46 | |
| And, umm. | 01:43:48 | |
| They stay overnight and they leave. They don't bother anybody. | 01:43:49 | |
| There's nothing illegal about it, there's nothing intrusive about it. | 01:43:53 | |
| And quite frankly, I like seeing them. It's umm. | 01:43:56 | |
| Just shows that people. | 01:43:59 | |
| Found our town worthy of a visit. | 01:44:00 | |
| And I would say if Mr. Myers doesn't like looking at them, we'll. | 01:44:03 | |
| Don't look at them. | 01:44:06 | |
| Thank you. | 01:44:07 | |
| They bring money to. | 01:44:11 | |
| And maybe too short all the way around. | 01:44:23 | |
| My name is Yvonne Whitley. | 01:44:25 | |
| And we have a mailbox in Kingsland 1601 Highway 40 E. | 01:44:26 | |
| We do live on our boat. | 01:44:31 | |
| Out here we chose this lifestyle a few years back. | 01:44:33 | |
| Sold the house, got rid of all the stuff. | 01:44:35 | |
| And decided this was how we were going to travel. | 01:44:38 | |
| And live the rest of our lives. | 01:44:40 | |
| So. | 01:44:42 | |
| When we came to Saint Mary's. | 01:44:43 | |
| It was. | 01:44:46 | |
| Mayberry. | 01:44:47 | |
| It was so cute. Everybody was so nice. | 01:44:47 | |
| We say, yeah, well. | 01:44:50 | |
| We'll call this home. | 01:44:51 | |
| So as we travel. | 01:44:53 | |
| We admit. | 01:44:54 | |
| Girls of people. | 01:44:56 | |
| Canada. | 01:44:57 | |
| Everywhere. | 01:44:58 | |
| And anytime that they've asked about where we stay, we tell them. | 01:45:00 | |
| And we've had. | 01:45:04 | |
| Numerous people come into this town. | 01:45:05 | |
| Because of just meeting them on the usual. | 01:45:07 | |
| Sailing. | 01:45:11 | |
| Because you go up and down the coast and meet each other over and over again. | 01:45:12 | |
| And one thing I was thinking about the other day. | 01:45:17 | |
| Is. | 01:45:20 | |
| And this could come in good for Saint Mary's if we could plan to it. | 01:45:22 | |
| Most of the boats. | 01:45:27 | |
| Because of insurance. | 01:45:28 | |
| Cannot be. | 01:45:30 | |
| Hello, Florida. | 01:45:31 | |
| Before November 1st. | 01:45:32 | |
| And they have to be out of Florida or anything, so. | 01:45:35 | |
| They have to be back up. | 01:45:37 | |
| Before. | 01:45:39 | |
| June 1st to go back home. | 01:45:40 | |
| Because of hurricane season. | 01:45:42 | |
| At that time. | 01:45:44 | |
| Numerous ones would come in here and we could make the. | 01:45:45 | |
| Money from them. | 01:45:48 | |
| If we because one of our friends came and stayed. | 01:45:49 | |
| She's going to stay a couple days. She stayed two weeks. | 01:45:52 | |
| You know, and it's going into town, it's. | 01:45:54 | |
| Enjoying. | 01:45:57 | |
| The hometown feel. | 01:45:59 | |
| So I was thinking we could do something. | 01:46:00 | |
| Somehow, you know, to encourage more than just the Thanksgiving thing. | 01:46:03 | |
| You know, work around the times prior to and after hurricane season, you know, do something like that. | 01:46:07 | |
| Umm would be of good use to Saint Mary. | 01:46:13 | |
| And in another thought was. | 01:46:16 | |
| Which especially, unfortunately, Mr. Myers is getting a beaten. Umm. | 01:46:20 | |
| It's like if. | 01:46:26 | |
| It came to our attention as the voters out there, you know, it was about. | 01:46:28 | |
| The use of water. | 01:46:32 | |
| In the waste of water and such like that. | 01:46:33 | |
| And so I was thinking, as other places, do you put a meter? | 01:46:36 | |
| On the water, and that's for the guys who come and wash their boats. | 01:46:39 | |
| And be there. | 01:46:42 | |
| A lot of They wash their boats, they wash their car, they do. | 01:46:44 | |
| You know, a big time. | 01:46:47 | |
| And they're not being charged anything to do so. | 01:46:49 | |
| Which is a nice courtesy from Saint Mary's, but you can't on the other side. | 01:46:52 | |
| Punishable people out there that are just trying to live their lives. | 01:46:56 | |
| You know not. | 01:47:00 | |
| Got to be millionaires and stuff, so we're all just trying to live our lives out there. | 01:47:01 | |
| So we shouldn't be cut off from. | 01:47:06 | |
| Something that that's so important to us all. | 01:47:08 | |
| Those folks who are going out fishing and coming from God knows where, not even Saint Mary's. | 01:47:11 | |
| Well, we do too. | 01:47:18 | |
| We have property tax on our boats. | 01:47:19 | |
| So we pay taxes. | 01:47:22 | |
| We pay county taxes. | 01:47:24 | |
| You don't get right now city taxes, which we wouldn't mind. | 01:47:25 | |
| But it is our. | 01:47:29 | |
| We pay taxes. | 01:47:30 | |
| You pay taxes on your vote, but you don't pay taxes in the city or. | 01:47:32 | |
| No, we pay taxes and account. | 01:47:36 | |
| Yeah. So we're not. | 01:47:38 | |
| Riff raff so much that's out there. | 01:47:40 | |
| You know by number means. | 01:47:42 | |
| Yeah. So we're not. | 01:47:47 | |
| Complaining or trying to be anything. | 01:47:49 | |
| You don't want to get rid of. | 01:47:52 | |
| You know, but it is. | 01:47:54 | |
| You know, it is important to us and. | 01:47:55 | |
| We all try to increase. | 01:47:57 | |
| Encouraged use of Saint Mary's. Encouraged visitations we've brought. | 01:47:59 | |
| Hurdles of boats. | 01:48:03 | |
| Because of. | 01:48:05 | |
| Meeting them and they'll come in and stay. | 01:48:06 | |
| Or use it as a place to be during a storm. | 01:48:08 | |
| You know if it's. | 01:48:11 | |
| Getting bad out on the ocean, they'll come in and. | 01:48:12 | |
| You know, hideout. | 01:48:14 | |
| And uh. | 01:48:15 | |
| We're showing at the town. | 01:48:17 | |
| And one thing we do is we meet, you know when. | 01:48:18 | |
| Meet them or remade them. | 01:48:20 | |
| We have a car here, so we. | 01:48:22 | |
| Take them to the grocery store and get fuel and things like that so we're aware of the things that they will come in here for. | 01:48:24 | |
| You know, and if we could just make it more accessible. | 01:48:31 | |
| There would be far more. | 01:48:34 | |
| And it would be more than just the Thanksgiving thing if we could work around these areas. | 01:48:35 | |
| Thank you. | 01:48:42 | |
| OK. | 01:48:50 | |
| All right, Thank you. We close this works this. | 01:48:52 | |
| Down quarter down. | 01:48:56 |
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| OK. Good evening. I'd like to call the quarterly town hall meeting for. | 00:00:03 | |
| This corner to. | 00:00:09 | |
| To order. | 00:00:11 | |
| If you would like to make some comments, ask questions, share anything with the. | 00:00:13 | |
| City Council, please come to the podium and give us your name and address. | 00:00:19 | |
| And try to respect the. | 00:00:23 | |
| 5 minute time limit. | 00:00:25 | |
| Please. | 00:00:26 | |
| Valerie Fouts, 310 W Bryant St. | 00:00:34 | |
| I'm, I'm curious and I have a question to ask You all touched on it the other night with part of your agenda. | 00:00:38 | |
| And it had to do with the exit 1. | 00:00:45 | |
| And I guess the question I have is about two years ago when we actually. | 00:00:47 | |
| The community actually was aware. | 00:00:54 | |
| Of Exit 1 and the Sparkle project. | 00:00:57 | |
| Do what? Oh. | 00:01:01 | |
| Never mind, I'm sorry, I thought I had feedback. | 00:01:03 | |
| At the time, I was under the impression that we had several public comments as well Opportunities. | 00:01:06 | |
| That it was an open concept. | 00:01:12 | |
| Project. | 00:01:15 | |
| Basically along the lines of. | 00:01:16 | |
| The one in Yulee. | 00:01:19 | |
| The wildlife. | 00:01:20 | |
| Which had, you know, open. | 00:01:21 | |
| And and various houses and apartments and whatever. | 00:01:23 | |
| And businesses that were going to be there. | 00:01:26 | |
| And, and probably we would have been able to utilize that as the citizens as well if and. | 00:01:28 | |
| Eye doctor was over there. | 00:01:34 | |
| Or if someone wanted to walk their dog around a walking path. 1 evening. | 00:01:35 | |
| So at one point I need to ask you all. | 00:01:40 | |
| When did it go from that concept? | 00:01:44 | |
| And of course, this was after the bond was set or, you know, for 35 million. | 00:01:47 | |
| And there was a lot of talk about that as well. | 00:01:52 | |
| And I do understand and remember that Mayor Morrissey. | 00:01:55 | |
| He he gave, you know, he basically said, you know this. | 00:01:59 | |
| May not be such a great thing and I cannot support this, but. | 00:02:03 | |
| He got over, wrote twice, vetoed. I think we were all there. | 00:02:07 | |
| But by the same token. | 00:02:11 | |
| When did it become? | 00:02:13 | |
| A gated community golf resort. | 00:02:16 | |
| And I want to know, it kind of came on as a surprise to me because I came to a council meeting and you all had a representative | 00:02:19 | |
| here talking about it. | 00:02:23 | |
| And I remember thinking, wait, what? | 00:02:27 | |
| This doesn't sound the same. | 00:02:29 | |
| And I think even at one point. | 00:02:31 | |
| Umm, they're talking about possibly down the road, umm. | 00:02:34 | |
| Building an extra school. | 00:02:38 | |
| And that was kind of brought up. And that was like, oh, yeah, that may be, you know, a thing down the road. | 00:02:40 | |
| But by the same token, I'm just kind of curious as. | 00:02:45 | |
| How a project? | 00:02:49 | |
| Went from. | 00:02:51 | |
| This one. | 00:02:52 | |
| To that one. | 00:02:53 | |
| And the public wasn't aware of it until it was presented by the gentleman who represented the new project. | 00:02:54 | |
| And again, it's gated. | 00:03:01 | |
| And it's private. | 00:03:04 | |
| And it's exclusive. | 00:03:06 | |
| And I'm paying for it. | 00:03:08 | |
| So I guess The thing is, when did this change? How did it change? | 00:03:10 | |
| Was the public made aware of it? | 00:03:14 | |
| Is there something on the contract? | 00:03:16 | |
| That basically hopped from one project to the other. I mean, I'm just wondering is that not something that should have been made? | 00:03:20 | |
| Public. | 00:03:27 | |
| So if anybody could answer that for me and Lynn, I do appreciate your fiscal responsibility on a lot of the things that come up as | 00:03:28 | |
| far as the budget. | 00:03:32 | |
| And then speaking the other night about. | 00:03:36 | |
| That leaves us what with 14,014 million then to kind of play with before we have to come back and ask for the other $60 million | 00:03:39 | |
| that is going to probably come up. | 00:03:44 | |
| In 2026. | 00:03:49 | |
| And I'll be honest with you when I get off exit 1. | 00:03:51 | |
| And I see the land now that is completely clear and void of the trees. | 00:03:54 | |
| It gives me heartburn. | 00:03:59 | |
| And, and I kind of feel like we just kind of got shafted. | 00:04:02 | |
| Without knowing it. | 00:04:05 | |
| So I would like to understand what happened, when it happened, and can this possibly not ever happen again without the public | 00:04:07 | |
| knowing? | 00:04:10 | |
| Happening. | 00:04:14 | |
| Thank you very much. | 00:04:15 | |
| So I'll speak to a couple of things. I mean, obviously some of this. | 00:04:18 | |
| You know, predated. | 00:04:21 | |
| Me being on council but the. | 00:04:22 | |
| Wind radiant. | 00:04:26 | |
| The developed or the property owner sold. | 00:04:27 | |
| The property to Taylor Morrison. | 00:04:30 | |
| You know they came forth with. | 00:04:34 | |
| Their concept, which was. | 00:04:35 | |
| A gated community with a golf course and and whatnot so. | 00:04:37 | |
| I suppose that was at the time that. | 00:04:41 | |
| You know it became gated. | 00:04:43 | |
| You know there are commercial out parcels up front that will not be behind the gates that will. You know, if they put in a new | 00:04:45 | |
| grocery store, doctor's offices. | 00:04:49 | |
| Those kinds of things, those will be accessible to the public. | 00:04:54 | |
| The north side of the. | 00:04:58 | |
| Saint Mary's. | 00:05:01 | |
| Street in Saint Mary's Road there. | 00:05:02 | |
| You know, from what I've heard, as far as what they're playing on there, you know, is not to be a gated community. There would be. | 00:05:07 | |
| Potential housing and townhomes and. | 00:05:13 | |
| Additional commercial retail there. | 00:05:16 | |
| That, uh. | 00:05:18 | |
| Would not be in a gated community, so there will certainly be a mixture of that. | 00:05:19 | |
| Umm, I do want to kind of also clarify that. | 00:05:25 | |
| The You know we're not. | 00:05:27 | |
| Specifically paying for what's happening out there. You know there is a tad district. | 00:05:30 | |
| And the people who pay property taxes out there on that property are the ones that are paying for. | 00:05:36 | |
| That Chad at this point in time. | 00:05:43 | |
| Now yes, if the. | 00:05:45 | |
| Property, uh. | 00:05:46 | |
| If the development went belly up. | 00:05:47 | |
| And uh. | 00:05:50 | |
| You know, there were no property taxes coming in. The loan came due. | 00:05:52 | |
| Then it would, yes, fall back to taxpayers. But. | 00:05:55 | |
| That is not currently. | 00:05:58 | |
| What's happening the development out there? | 00:06:00 | |
| Is well ahead of schedule and so the property values. | 00:06:04 | |
| Rising already. | 00:06:08 | |
| Umm, and. | 00:06:09 | |
| It is set to generate enough. | 00:06:12 | |
| Property tax and TAD revenue. | 00:06:17 | |
| To pay the. | 00:06:19 | |
| The bond. | 00:06:20 | |
| And uh. | 00:06:21 | |
| In fact, the way it's designed and the length of the TAD. | 00:06:23 | |
| That it should generate those excess revenues above the original TAD. | 00:06:27 | |
| Bond payment. | 00:06:33 | |
| To make the infrastructure improvements. | 00:06:34 | |
| On the Northside and that type of thing as it continues so. | 00:06:37 | |
| Hopefully there will not have to be another bond for the additional infrastructure. | 00:06:41 | |
| It'll be able to be paid from. | 00:06:46 | |
| The increasing CAD revenues. | 00:06:48 | |
| From the property tax. | 00:06:50 | |
| You know, obviously that was Mayor Marcy's. | 00:06:52 | |
| Concern was. | 00:06:55 | |
| You know if it doesn't happen. | 00:06:57 | |
| Then we would the city would be stuck with that. We the taxpayers. | 00:06:58 | |
| Uh, but what's currently happening and? | 00:07:02 | |
| The progress is well above well ahead of schedule that was originally laid out for the bond repayment. | 00:07:05 | |
| The valuations are increasing faster than the original. | 00:07:11 | |
| Computations that the repayment schedule was created under. | 00:07:16 | |
| So we're right now well ahead of schedule and. | 00:07:20 | |
| But who knows what will happen next year? I can't speak to that, you know, but. | 00:07:24 | |
| That's where we are now. So right now it's not. | 00:07:29 | |
| Other than ours, we have staff time and. | 00:07:31 | |
| Those kinds of things that are involved in any development. | 00:07:33 | |
| That we as taxpayers, you know, support, but the direct infrastructure and the things that are going on out there. | 00:07:36 | |
| You know, are not coming out of taxpayer dollars specifically so. | 00:07:44 | |
| I don't know if I answered all your questions or not, but. | 00:07:48 | |
| German and I do understand as well. | 00:07:51 | |
| Yeah, that is the bond, excuse me, that we be paying the interest on. | 00:07:54 | |
| And when you when you're saying that that property taxes are there, I guess? | 00:07:58 | |
| That's one way to look at it, but I'm thinking that, Chad the other night said at one point. | 00:08:03 | |
| That you were thinking that they were going to be building businesses first so that we could start getting that revenue. | 00:08:08 | |
| We don't know. Like you said, the economy could turn in 5 minutes. It happened in 2008. | 00:08:16 | |
| OK. When we had that housing issue. | 00:08:21 | |
| At that point, we're not making any money to pay on a bond. | 00:08:25 | |
| So that's my concern. I mean, I know it's not tax money. | 00:08:28 | |
| It's a bond and we the interest is going to be coming in on it is going to be due. | 00:08:32 | |
| Can you alltel me when it's due the first installment? | 00:08:37 | |
| One of the things to understand as we did take the $35 million revenue bond, the 1st. | 00:08:39 | |
| Few years we have set aside $5,000,000 out of that. | 00:08:48 | |
| To pay the early years. | 00:08:53 | |
| To help us. | 00:08:55 | |
| You know, build some momentum on the development and you did explain that the other evening. I appreciate that. | 00:08:56 | |
| Greg's point? | 00:09:02 | |
| In the financial projections that I've looked at. | 00:09:04 | |
| We are setting aside. | 00:09:07 | |
| From the tax revenues and right now that would be, you know, the owners of the land are Taylor Morrison and Radiant until they | 00:09:10 | |
| sell it to somebody else. So they're going to have to. | 00:09:14 | |
| Pay the tax. | 00:09:19 | |
| I think we are setting aside. | 00:09:20 | |
| A reserve out of. | 00:09:24 | |
| Money that we get for the phase two development and that's fiscally responsible. | 00:09:27 | |
| I think the thing that I'm concerned about. | 00:09:32 | |
| We look at the Jacobi project. | 00:09:36 | |
| You know at this point. | 00:09:38 | |
| Yeah, it's not going to be anything right now. It's not what it was supposed to be. | 00:09:40 | |
| So I think that the JDA has paid. | 00:09:46 | |
| To tax payments, to tax bills, that's my concern. | 00:09:49 | |
| And again, that's where the heartburn comes. So, you know, I just. | 00:09:53 | |
| We gotta yeah, doesn't have to pay close attention to it, and I think that we are now. | 00:09:58 | |
| But, you know, as Greg points out, nobody can predict the future. So absolutely thank you. | 00:10:04 | |
| And thank you, Amy, could you? | 00:10:10 | |
| Please address the multimodal. | 00:10:12 | |
| Paths and where those will be located and whether or not. | 00:10:15 | |
| They're open to the public. | 00:10:19 | |
| Can you hear me? | 00:10:23 | |
| Yeah, OK, great. Thank you. Thank you very much, Council and members of the public. | 00:10:32 | |
| I did want to address some of Mrs. Spouses concerns in addition to speak to some of the public improvements. | 00:10:37 | |
| That are in the Exit 1 development. | 00:10:45 | |
| So, uh. | 00:10:47 | |
| If you've noticed, at the bend of Saint Mary's Road as you're traveling. | 00:10:48 | |
| East. | 00:10:53 | |
| They have started the beginning of what will be Esplanade Blvd. which is the major intersection that will run. | 00:10:54 | |
| South and north. | 00:11:02 | |
| In that area. | 00:11:04 | |
| Right there, there will be a gross a grocery. | 00:11:06 | |
| Tenant. It is my understanding that that letter of intent. | 00:11:10 | |
| Has if not been signed as in the works between radiant to still. | 00:11:14 | |
| Both the master development of the land that is not Taylor Morrison's. | 00:11:18 | |
| On the north side of there, there will also be commercial pods. All of that will be. | 00:11:23 | |
| Designed in a way that. | 00:11:28 | |
| Still keeps a. | 00:11:30 | |
| A minimal. | 00:11:32 | |
| A bit of a tree cover similar to what we see in front of Osprey Cove. So those commercial office spaces, those are open to the | 00:11:34 | |
| public. | 00:11:38 | |
| But they're designed in a way that is off the road, so you'll see that similar. | 00:11:41 | |
| Design pattern for the commercial. | 00:11:46 | |
| Along the southern. | 00:11:49 | |
| Part of Saint Mary's Road. | 00:11:52 | |
| Beginning at just a little bit off of the Haddock Rd. intersection. | 00:11:53 | |
| We will be doing a multimodal path. | 00:12:00 | |
| This will be within the city's right of way. | 00:12:02 | |
| So you look at the edge of pavement. | 00:12:05 | |
| 26 feet in to try to shelter it a little bit from that fast moving traffic. | 00:12:07 | |
| Will begin a series of. | 00:12:13 | |
| Very beautifully designed and planted. | 00:12:15 | |
| Shrubs and vegetation. A winding multimodal path that will be 10 feet wide. | 00:12:19 | |
| With a series of pocket parks. | 00:12:24 | |
| The idea is to go all the way up to the edge of the Osprey Cove. | 00:12:27 | |
| Land and then work with. | 00:12:32 | |
| Asperico residents and the tag funding to continue that multimodal path. | 00:12:34 | |
| Over I mean. | 00:12:39 | |
| You know, big picture, at some point we come down off of Saint Mary's Road, we pick up the interchange and look, we're on Osborne | 00:12:41 | |
| and maybe we can get ourselves to Midtown. So that's the multimodal path. Thank you. | 00:12:47 | |
| How you doing? | 00:13:17 | |
| Richard Gamble, 107 Dilworth Street, Saint Mary's, Georgia. | 00:13:18 | |
| Dear Mayor. | 00:13:23 | |
| Adi, I like your song, Jones. | 00:13:27 | |
| And lean, clean and lean king. | 00:13:31 | |
| I was contacted by. | 00:13:35 | |
| As a coach, so I. | 00:13:40 | |
| I was contacted by. | 00:13:43 | |
| Dependable, Mr. Ma. | 00:13:44 | |
| The next day. | 00:13:46 | |
| After I appeared here before you about the city right away ditches. | 00:13:47 | |
| It gave me a warm feeling that I had achieved one of my 2 objectives. | 00:13:51 | |
| I would later discover I was wrong. | 00:13:56 | |
| I think you should know my motivation so you can gauge the fight in me. | 00:14:00 | |
| If needed. | 00:14:04 | |
| As an unbaptized Jehovah Witness, a recent lesson said. | 00:14:06 | |
| Love and do for others. | 00:14:11 | |
| And Jehovah God will love and do for you. | 00:14:13 | |
| I walked that path. | 00:14:16 | |
| I revisit Billy Wilson. | 00:14:19 | |
| And also met his. | 00:14:21 | |
| His wife, Hattie. | 00:14:22 | |
| With a pretty smooth skin. | 00:14:24 | |
| She was seated in some type of mobile device. | 00:14:26 | |
| I inquired about the tree. | 00:14:29 | |
| And was told. | 00:14:31 | |
| Had it cut it down. | 00:14:33 | |
| Heavy cut it down. | 00:14:38 | |
| My heart sank. | 00:14:41 | |
| Headed to stride how she cut most of the tree using. | 00:14:43 | |
| Heads close. | 00:14:47 | |
| She then hired someone with a chainsaw. | 00:14:50 | |
| To cut the remainder. | 00:14:53 | |
| I focused on having. | 00:14:55 | |
| As she spoke and tried to visualize. | 00:14:57 | |
| How this frail appearing? | 00:14:59 | |
| Woman cut down the tree. | 00:15:02 | |
| Billy is 92. | 00:15:05 | |
| And I'm gonna give them. | 00:15:06 | |
| Minds and Denise relationship 10 years. | 00:15:08 | |
| Let's say hat is 82. | 00:15:11 | |
| I. | 00:15:19 | |
| Hattie was stimulated by anger. | 00:15:21 | |
| I believe had embedded. | 00:15:25 | |
| Billy thought as I. | 00:15:26 | |
| That the tree was finally going to be removed. | 00:15:28 | |
| Only later to learn differently. | 00:15:31 | |
| Let me say something about Mr. Ma. | 00:15:36 | |
| He's done 4 things for me. | 00:15:38 | |
| And I'm gonna just tell you about 1. | 00:15:40 | |
| When my truck motor was being rebuilt. | 00:15:43 | |
| I went six weeks without a vehicle. I had to ride my bicycle to the base to swim. | 00:15:46 | |
| And a tree. | 00:15:51 | |
| We had a storm and it blew the tree over there. | 00:15:52 | |
| Sidewalk. I contacted Mr. Ma. | 00:15:55 | |
| And I say now. | 00:15:58 | |
| This, this ain't no danger. | 00:15:59 | |
| I said just something. | 00:16:01 | |
| My ride better. | 00:16:02 | |
| Which removed the treatment. | 00:16:04 | |
| It was gone the next day. | 00:16:05 | |
| Day I was so shocked you when I wrote by and saw that tree gone. | 00:16:07 | |
| I had a great swim that day. | 00:16:13 | |
| Well, anyway, let's let's get back to the subject. | 00:16:15 | |
| So when when Mr. Mark called me and told me, he was going out there to look at it. | 00:16:19 | |
| I thought they were going to cut the tree. | 00:16:25 | |
| I have two chainsaws. I could have cut the tree down. | 00:16:26 | |
| My request was on behalf of Billy and Hattie. | 00:16:30 | |
| Someone failed me in two ways. | 00:16:34 | |
| By not fulfilling the test. | 00:16:37 | |
| And more importantly. | 00:16:39 | |
| Not communicating a no reply and the reason why? | 00:16:41 | |
| Communication. | 00:16:46 | |
| We should never. | 00:16:49 | |
| No, I want to define we. | 00:16:50 | |
| We meaning me. | 00:16:52 | |
| You, the audience. | 00:16:55 | |
| The citizen of Saint Mary's. | 00:16:56 | |
| We should never forget. | 00:16:58 | |
| That you. | 00:17:00 | |
| Work for us. | 00:17:01 | |
| Tonight, I'm here remind you. | 00:17:04 | |
| I again ask that you feel. | 00:17:07 | |
| Randall and Kimberly Hendricks *****. | 00:17:09 | |
| At 7:09. | 00:17:11 | |
| West Dillingham St. | 00:17:13 | |
| Randall and Kimberly Hendricks ditch at 7:09. | 00:17:16 | |
| West didn't have St. the Super ditch. | 00:17:21 | |
| You have 30 days for replying. I'm not asking for a reply. I demand a reply. | 00:17:27 | |
| You work for us. | 00:17:32 | |
| Billy and Hattie. | 00:17:36 | |
| OBE. | 00:17:38 | |
| But we can ensure. | 00:17:39 | |
| That nothing like this. | 00:17:41 | |
| Happen again as a deterrent sort of thing. | 00:17:42 | |
| Imagine you are amongst A diverse group that pay for something and everybody got it but you. | 00:17:45 | |
| Some of us know that song all too well. | 00:17:58 | |
| We don't get it or we pay more for it. | 00:18:01 | |
| I learned as a teacher. | 00:18:05 | |
| Students treatment toward you. | 00:18:08 | |
| Mirror that same behavior. | 00:18:10 | |
| That they exhibit toward their parents. | 00:18:12 | |
| There's someone who worked for you. | 00:18:15 | |
| Who will not listen? | 00:18:17 | |
| To us. | 00:18:19 | |
| I surmise. | 00:18:22 | |
| That person don't listen to you either. | 00:18:23 | |
| It's time for a change. | 00:18:27 | |
| Fire a city meant. | 00:18:31 | |
| Yes. | 00:18:32 | |
| Fire the city manager. | 00:18:33 | |
| And his replacement be for all Saint Mary's. | 00:18:37 | |
| One Saint Mary's will make Saint Mary's number one. | 00:18:41 | |
| Immediately upon his approach. | 00:18:46 | |
| As appropriate. | 00:18:48 | |
| Do a thoracic audit. | 00:18:50 | |
| While my request is void of accusation, there's no accusation here. | 00:18:52 | |
| It's on verification. | 00:18:57 | |
| President Reagan said trust. | 00:18:59 | |
| But. | 00:19:01 | |
| Verify. | 00:19:02 | |
| See something? | 00:19:07 | |
| Know something, Say something please. | 00:19:08 | |
| Then clean and lean king, do your job. | 00:19:12 | |
| And if he was here? | 00:19:16 | |
| Chief Galloway. | 00:19:17 | |
| Release the arms. | 00:19:19 | |
| Thank you. | 00:19:21 | |
| Mr. Gamble, I do want to address. | 00:19:24 | |
| The Wilsons real quickly. | 00:19:26 | |
| Umm, you know I had followed up after your last. | 00:19:29 | |
| You know, uh. | 00:19:31 | |
| Presentation about. | 00:19:32 | |
| That fig tree. | 00:19:34 | |
| And I was. | 00:19:35 | |
| Told, and I will admit I did not speak directly to the Wilson's myself. | 00:19:37 | |
| But I followed up and I was told that public works went out there within a day or two of. | 00:19:41 | |
| The last time you were here. | 00:19:46 | |
| And spoke to them. | 00:19:47 | |
| And uh. | 00:19:49 | |
| Found out that they had planted that tree from a cutting. | 00:19:50 | |
| From down here. | 00:19:53 | |
| Downtown, a historic fig tree. | 00:19:55 | |
| That they themselves, that actually. | 00:19:57 | |
| Planted that tree. | 00:19:59 | |
| Years ago and didn't realize, you know that it was an issue and. | 00:20:01 | |
| I'm not exactly sure you know what. | 00:20:07 | |
| Transpired after that, but obviously the fact that she cut it down disturbs me. | 00:20:09 | |
| That she had to do that if they really wanted it cut down. But. | 00:20:14 | |
| I was told that. | 00:20:18 | |
| You know that they had not necessarily initially asked. | 00:20:19 | |
| To have the tree cut down. | 00:20:23 | |
| But maybe she thought that the city wanted it down because. | 00:20:25 | |
| And that they had planted it. So that does concern me and I'd like to kind of talk to her and get to the bottom of that, but. | 00:20:28 | |
| OK, let me clarify something. | 00:20:33 | |
| How did I know that they wanted that tree down? | 00:20:36 | |
| I don't live in that neighborhood. | 00:20:39 | |
| I don't know them. | 00:20:40 | |
| Right, so. | 00:20:41 | |
| I was told they wanted it gone. | 00:20:43 | |
| And before I came to you. | 00:20:45 | |
| I went to them and I took a picture of him when I talked to him. | 00:20:46 | |
| Right. And he said he wanted it done. | 00:20:50 | |
| He said he had wanted to gone all alone. | 00:20:53 | |
| But the thing that I saw was still. | 00:20:55 | |
| That neighborhood gets no. | 00:20:57 | |
| Nope, no lawn service. | 00:20:59 | |
| That entire neighborhood. | 00:21:01 | |
| But I'm not here to fight that. | 00:21:02 | |
| I'm here to say. | 00:21:04 | |
| And then when y'all decided y'all were not going to do it, I just think that I should have been told. | 00:21:05 | |
| I came before you. | 00:21:10 | |
| I took my time out like tonight. | 00:21:11 | |
| Yes, you know how long I had prepared to do this. | 00:21:13 | |
| You know so. | 00:21:16 | |
| It's not like I just came in here off the farm, I think. | 00:21:17 | |
| And so. | 00:21:21 | |
| I'm going to tell you something about. | 00:21:22 | |
| Real elderly black people. | 00:21:25 | |
| They are not aggressive. | 00:21:28 | |
| When I went to her and I asked him, I just followed up on. | 00:21:30 | |
| Because I saw the tree was going and when she told me. | 00:21:34 | |
| Who she was telling about. | 00:21:36 | |
| She said please don't say nothing. | 00:21:37 | |
| So if you go out there as authority. | 00:21:40 | |
| They're not going to challenge you. They're not going to do anything. | 00:21:42 | |
| Just do your job. | 00:21:46 | |
| You know, if they how, how did I know that that tree was gone? | 00:21:48 | |
| I mean that tree needed to be gone. | 00:21:52 | |
| So I stand by there and I stand by my request. | 00:21:54 | |
| And I and I stand by that I should get an answer back. | 00:21:58 | |
| Yes, Sir, And if not, I'm not violent. | 00:22:02 | |
| But I do have a fence. | 00:22:06 | |
| If you know what I mean. | 00:22:08 | |
| Yes, thank you. | 00:22:10 | |
| Tom Canning, 410 Point Peter Place. | 00:22:21 | |
| I've got 2 items. | 00:22:24 | |
| Raise the first one. | 00:22:26 | |
| Is an observation. | 00:22:30 | |
| That if it resonates with you. | 00:22:32 | |
| I ask that. | 00:22:35 | |
| The property authority, whether it be the police chief or someone. | 00:22:39 | |
| Brave our community on the subject, and that is. | 00:22:44 | |
| Drugs in our community. | 00:22:47 | |
| I have a very limited view and understanding of. | 00:22:49 | |
| That issue. | 00:22:53 | |
| I live a quiet life in a quiet neighborhood. | 00:22:54 | |
| But when you read the newspaper. | 00:22:58 | |
| And I don't have a number off the top of my head, but I. | 00:23:01 | |
| Eventually, 90% of the items of arrest reports. | 00:23:04 | |
| Have directly or indirectly have to do with drugs. | 00:23:08 | |
| And I don't see that that is doing anything but increasing. | 00:23:11 | |
| Whether it's the. | 00:23:15 | |
| I 94.5. | 00:23:16 | |
| Carter arrests. | 00:23:18 | |
| Or just arrest within our community. | 00:23:20 | |
| So. | 00:23:23 | |
| I'd like to get a more comfortable feeling on whether or not. | 00:23:25 | |
| This is a growing power problem. | 00:23:29 | |
| In our community more so than maybe other communities. | 00:23:32 | |
| And what is being done about the source of the problems? | 00:23:36 | |
| That I'm not talking about. | 00:23:39 | |
| The drug abusers as much as I'm talking. | 00:23:41 | |
| About the source. | 00:23:43 | |
| So I don't know where to take that any further other than an observation that I'm sure. | 00:23:45 | |
| Those of you that read the. | 00:23:50 | |
| Newspaper. | 00:23:51 | |
| You could probably do your own head count and you know. | 00:23:52 | |
| At least 6 out of 10 or 7 out of 10 of those items. | 00:23:58 | |
| Had to do with friends. | 00:24:02 | |
| Even if they're violent related items. | 00:24:04 | |
| OK. | 00:24:06 | |
| If you could just take that down and think about it and. | 00:24:07 | |
| Figure out some way. | 00:24:10 | |
| Address that the other item. | 00:24:12 | |
| I know a subject nearing data your hearts. | 00:24:14 | |
| Is storm water management. | 00:24:17 | |
| Let's come up. | 00:24:19 | |
| Over the years, as many of you know, many, many times. | 00:24:20 | |
| Most recent discussions. | 00:24:25 | |
| You've, I believe you either. | 00:24:28 | |
| I may have missed a one or two. You might either a work session or. | 00:24:31 | |
| You plan on having more and what have you. | 00:24:35 | |
| My concern remains what it was, what I expressed in the past. | 00:24:38 | |
| We all know that we have an ordinance on the record. | 00:24:42 | |
| That's been there for a number of years. It's been completely ignored. | 00:24:45 | |
| We have. | 00:24:50 | |
| Been using general funds. | 00:24:52 | |
| To deal with. | 00:24:55 | |
| The loudest. | 00:24:56 | |
| Maybe even the biggest. | 00:25:00 | |
| Storm water issues in our community, but we continue to. | 00:25:01 | |
| Piece meal it. | 00:25:05 | |
| And using general funds to do that. | 00:25:09 | |
| I don't know whether you intend to rewrite the ordinance and come up with a completely different plan. | 00:25:12 | |
| Or not. | 00:25:19 | |
| If you intend to stay with the ordinance, I respectfully suggest. | 00:25:20 | |
| We need to start to implement. | 00:25:24 | |
| The fee structure, the revenue stream. | 00:25:27 | |
| So we have the source of the funds. | 00:25:29 | |
| To hire the labor. | 00:25:32 | |
| Get the workforce. | 00:25:34 | |
| And get the planning done. | 00:25:35 | |
| This isn't a switch that you're just going to turn on and tomorrow. | 00:25:37 | |
| Everything now we got management. | 00:25:41 | |
| Stormwater management across the board. | 00:25:42 | |
| We need but. | 00:25:45 | |
| Everything starts with money. | 00:25:46 | |
| So we've got to stop using our revenue a general revenue funds. | 00:25:48 | |
| For doing something that we've said years ago. | 00:25:52 | |
| That we were going to collect fees and. | 00:25:55 | |
| And appreciate it if you would. | 00:25:58 | |
| Whether you discuss it now. | 00:26:00 | |
| Or you have a work session. | 00:26:01 | |
| But please move it along, whatever you decide to do. | 00:26:03 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 00:26:07 | |
| I'll address my thoughts on the storm water management in the timeline. | 00:26:12 | |
| Yeah, you know. | 00:26:18 | |
| Does not. My line is on. | 00:26:21 | |
| I mean, go ahead and talk. I'll just get right up on it. | 00:26:26 | |
| Yeah, my thoughts on a timeline for the storm water utility management, you know. | 00:26:31 | |
| We I know it's been on the books for a long time. | 00:26:36 | |
| But you know. | 00:26:40 | |
| As far as? | 00:26:41 | |
| This council, you know, it's really been a couple months and I know years were spent on the storm water management utility plan. | 00:26:42 | |
| We did have a work session. | 00:26:46 | |
| But you know, it does affect. | 00:26:49 | |
| You know our budget pretty significantly as far as. | 00:26:51 | |
| What's going to be covered for workers under the storm water fund and equipment? | 00:26:54 | |
| And then what's still going to be in our, you know, our regular fund? | 00:26:59 | |
| So. | 00:27:03 | |
| Unless we. | 00:27:05 | |
| Pushed along further. | 00:27:07 | |
| Sooner than that, I do feel that within you know, it should be something we can have done by. | 00:27:08 | |
| But within the year for our next budget and whether we start the utility fund before we. | 00:27:13 | |
| You know, factored in the next year's budget or we. | 00:27:18 | |
| Kind of roll it in at the same time, but I would say within the year. | 00:27:20 | |
| I think that's a reasonable time based on how many years were spent on the plan initially. | 00:27:25 | |
| But uh. | 00:27:29 | |
| You know and. | 00:27:30 | |
| If anyone else has another idea, you know, maybe we try to get it done. | 00:27:31 | |
| You know, before we set the mileage rate and do it sooner. | 00:27:36 | |
| But it does affect. | 00:27:38 | |
| You know the annual budget pretty significantly. | 00:27:39 | |
| I think we did say that we wanted to have a storm water. | 00:27:43 | |
| Or accession that hasn't been. We asked for that to be scheduled. | 00:27:47 | |
| Have continued. Yeah. | 00:27:52 | |
| Right at the last one we were gonna. | 00:27:53 | |
| Right, keep working. | 00:27:56 | |
| Yes. | 00:27:58 | |
| Good evening. | 00:28:03 | |
| Nick Harris, 102 Hamlet. | 00:28:04 | |
| Circle Saint Mary's. | 00:28:06 | |
| This is just a perception in overall listening. | 00:28:08 | |
| To what everybody here? | 00:28:13 | |
| Has said tonight. | 00:28:14 | |
| We moved from Atlanta to Saint Mary's because of the smallness. | 00:28:17 | |
| In the community aspect. | 00:28:22 | |
| Of this. | 00:28:25 | |
| And I grew up in a town smaller than Saint Mary's. | 00:28:25 | |
| And this past week I spent a week out West. | 00:28:29 | |
| In a very small town. | 00:28:33 | |
| In Wherever I Go, I traveled to gay with Candace and a group. | 00:28:35 | |
| Went out West in. | 00:28:39 | |
| When I'm traveling, I'm walking into businesses. | 00:28:41 | |
| And I'm talking to local people. | 00:28:44 | |
| And the disconnect, I think. | 00:28:47 | |
| Of Saint Mary's, at least in my world. Nick's world. | 00:28:50 | |
| Is. | 00:28:53 | |
| When I was a teacher. | 00:28:54 | |
| And I still work special Ed. | 00:28:56 | |
| There's three components of a community. | 00:28:58 | |
| Family, school and community. | 00:29:00 | |
| You can't, and those pillars are the foundation. | 00:29:02 | |
| You cannot have a successful community. | 00:29:05 | |
| With only two or one. | 00:29:08 | |
| Or put more emphasis. | 00:29:10 | |
| On a particular one. | 00:29:12 | |
| Our community seems like. | 00:29:14 | |
| We're doing more fighting. | 00:29:16 | |
| And like good old boy projects versus just. | 00:29:18 | |
| What's best for the community if we do what's right? | 00:29:21 | |
| Our communities. | 00:29:25 | |
| Gonna be vibrant. | 00:29:26 | |
| I compare it to. | 00:29:29 | |
| You look at certain venues. | 00:29:30 | |
| They're like vending machines. You walk in, you pay, you get a service, and boom, you walk out. | 00:29:32 | |
| The true communities. | 00:29:37 | |
| The barn building. | 00:29:39 | |
| Community where everybody comes together, even a local businesses. | 00:29:41 | |
| And I'm a new business owner with my wife. She does more of it. | 00:29:45 | |
| But I'm of the business savvy. | 00:29:49 | |
| Side of that business. | 00:29:51 | |
| And instead of working and enhancing other like. | 00:29:53 | |
| Businesses, it's like competition. | 00:29:57 | |
| And it shouldn't be like that. We're a small town. | 00:30:00 | |
| Everybody should be working. | 00:30:03 | |
| To benefit everybody else. | 00:30:06 | |
| And whether your government. | 00:30:09 | |
| Or whether you're a constituent resident. | 00:30:10 | |
| We're not working. We see the government not working. | 00:30:13 | |
| In true communities. | 00:30:16 | |
| When you get the government environment. | 00:30:18 | |
| Crap just happens. It doesn't happen. | 00:30:20 | |
| You get into the bureaucracy. | 00:30:22 | |
| But even in our community, people are. | 00:30:24 | |
| Either a free. | 00:30:26 | |
| To step up so. | 00:30:28 | |
| When the grass isn't cut in front of a business. | 00:30:29 | |
| Don't go to the city and gripe. Why aren't you cutting my grass? | 00:30:32 | |
| Be the business owner and go out there and cut that grass. | 00:30:36 | |
| Make a bill when you look at the blight here. | 00:30:38 | |
| We need to put more pride into the businesses, say hey, look at your business. | 00:30:41 | |
| Put a coat of paint on it. | 00:30:46 | |
| But if we started all talking like that. | 00:30:48 | |
| I think it would be infectious. | 00:30:51 | |
| And catch on. So when we look at. | 00:30:53 | |
| The majority of things here. | 00:30:56 | |
| Let's start. | 00:30:58 | |
| Family, school and community. | 00:30:59 | |
| And do what you say you're gonna do. And I think people don't have a problem. | 00:31:01 | |
| If you can't do it, just tell us you can't do it. | 00:31:06 | |
| And then the community will step up if they want it bad enough. | 00:31:08 | |
| And they will do it. | 00:31:12 | |
| I think it's time for Saint Mary's to really. | 00:31:13 | |
| And everybody here when you go home. | 00:31:16 | |
| Self reflect. Look at yourself in the mirror. | 00:31:18 | |
| And say, what did you do for Saint Mary's today? | 00:31:21 | |
| Instead of. How did I benefit? | 00:31:23 | |
| From Saint Mary's today. | 00:31:26 | |
| Thank you. | 00:31:28 | |
| Thank you. | 00:31:29 | |
| That's cool. | 00:31:33 | |
| Good evening. I'm Mark Fouts at 3:10. | 00:31:39 | |
| West Branch St. | 00:31:42 | |
| Just got a couple of concerns. | 00:31:44 | |
| One of them is the new bulk. | 00:31:46 | |
| Item The Cumberland services are supposed to be taken care of during our regular garbage pickup. | 00:31:49 | |
| And I was wondering if someone could give us a definition of what those items are. There was a. | 00:31:55 | |
| A piece in the city website that. | 00:32:00 | |
| That kind of talk to it. | 00:32:03 | |
| I didn't really tell what items are out, what items should be put out there, You know, whether it's a mattress or a stove or | 00:32:05 | |
| whatever. | 00:32:08 | |
| And I went on to the Cumberland Cumberland Services website. | 00:32:12 | |
| They didn't address it at all. | 00:32:16 | |
| So I'd like for somebody to address that to the public tonight. | 00:32:17 | |
| The second thing. | 00:32:22 | |
| Has to do with the the exit 1. | 00:32:24 | |
| Building that's going on. | 00:32:31 | |
| Back in 2022. | 00:32:35 | |
| During some of our. | 00:32:38 | |
| Citizen meetings that we had with the city. | 00:32:41 | |
| There was a contract with Rainier that was afforded to everybody. | 00:32:44 | |
| And it spoke specifically about what the. | 00:32:48 | |
| What the expectations were from the city and what the expectations were from Rainier. | 00:32:51 | |
| I can't find my copy of that contract. | 00:32:57 | |
| And I can't find it anywhere on city website. | 00:33:00 | |
| But there is very specific information in there about what's expected. | 00:33:03 | |
| And I'd like to see that contract put back up on the city website so that people can reference that. | 00:33:07 | |
| Because that's where your 30 million or $60 million bond information comes from. | 00:33:13 | |
| The second thing. | 00:33:18 | |
| On April the 17th, 2023. | 00:33:20 | |
| There was a council work session. | 00:33:24 | |
| It was called the City of Saint Mary's TAD 2 project. | 00:33:26 | |
| Project financing overview. | 00:33:30 | |
| And there was a representative from the financing establishment talking about Exit 1. | 00:33:32 | |
| And what was expected or what? What? | 00:33:39 | |
| What could be expected as far as the financing on it? | 00:33:41 | |
| I would like to see. | 00:33:45 | |
| Pages 10 and 14 out of that session. | 00:33:47 | |
| Those particular pages one of them dealt with. | 00:33:52 | |
| The payback? | 00:33:55 | |
| And it was basically a set of milestones. | 00:33:56 | |
| On a year by year basis that that. | 00:33:59 | |
| Defined the expectations of what the principle was. | 00:34:02 | |
| What the interest was. | 00:34:06 | |
| What the TAD payment was? | 00:34:07 | |
| And what the overage was going to be. | 00:34:09 | |
| As a former project manager, we use those kinds of milestones to determine whether the project was on track or not. | 00:34:13 | |
| You said tonight that what's going on right now, that the project is ahead of schedule. | 00:34:20 | |
| What I'd really like to see is. | 00:34:26 | |
| The document on pay on on pages. | 00:34:28 | |
| 10 and 14. | 00:34:32 | |
| From that work session put up on the city website. | 00:34:33 | |
| And actuals put on there for the people to see exactly just how this process is unfolding it from the financial standpoint. | 00:34:36 | |
| And it also has talks about phase one and Phase 2. | 00:34:44 | |
| The expectations and the time periods involved with those things. | 00:34:47 | |
| Those are things that citizens want to see because they affect us. That's our money. Don't talk. And now. | 00:34:51 | |
| And this is a good way to do it. | 00:34:57 | |
| Most of you all weren't. | 00:34:59 | |
| During that time period. | 00:35:01 | |
| Absolutely. | 00:35:03 | |
| I think you should look at these documents. | 00:35:06 | |
| And put them as part of the city and put them on the website so that you can see what's going on with it. | 00:35:10 | |
| The third thing I wanted to talk about? | 00:35:16 | |
| There was a lady here that was, I guess she was with the airport to the film company that was buying something in the airport. | 00:35:19 | |
| On Monday. | 00:35:26 | |
| And she was talking about the electricity problems that they're having over there. | 00:35:27 | |
| 5 megawatts is what she said they needed. | 00:35:33 | |
| And she wanted to look at solar and wind and gas. | 00:35:36 | |
| Just for your information. | 00:35:40 | |
| To create a MW of electricity for solar. | 00:35:42 | |
| It takes about four to five acres. | 00:35:46 | |
| So you know. | 00:35:48 | |
| If she's going to do, she's going to do solar. | 00:35:50 | |
| Somebody better figure out where she's going to get 20 acres of land to do it with. | 00:35:53 | |
| The second thing that she said? | 00:35:58 | |
| She used the word. | 00:36:00 | |
| The land is under contract. | 00:36:01 | |
| And my question is, has that land been closed on yet or not? | 00:36:04 | |
| Because if I'm somebody that's got to put in that kind of money. | 00:36:08 | |
| On a project. | 00:36:12 | |
| That I didn't know I was going to do, and I haven't closed on that land yet. | 00:36:14 | |
| I wouldn't be closing on it at all. | 00:36:18 | |
| So you all can ask it can can address that tonight. | 00:36:20 | |
| Has it been closed or not? | 00:36:23 | |
| And is that their problem, or is that Saint Mary's problem? | 00:36:25 | |
| Thank you. | 00:36:28 | |
| Charlie, can you speak to the what bulk items are included in that? | 00:36:30 | |
| For Cumberland Services. | 00:36:34 | |
| Yeah. So to be quite honest. | 00:36:37 | |
| To provide a list of what can be picked up would be. | 00:36:39 | |
| A huge list, so I don't think I can really provide specifically what. | 00:36:42 | |
| But I can tell you what. | 00:36:45 | |
| Would be and that information I'll make sure it gets on the Cumberland website. | 00:36:47 | |
| If it's not on there. | 00:36:52 | |
| So my understanding it should have been posted on that site. | 00:36:53 | |
| But it is on the Camden County dump site. | 00:36:56 | |
| If you go into the Camden County site. | 00:36:59 | |
| Because our regulations are based on what the county says we can. | 00:37:01 | |
| Bring to that dump site so. | 00:37:05 | |
| That is your liquid waste, your lead batteries you can't pick up. | 00:37:06 | |
| Untreated, non residential. | 00:37:10 | |
| Biomedical waste we can't pick up. | 00:37:12 | |
| On petroleum products, we can't pick up tires. | 00:37:14 | |
| Pesticides. Herbicides. | 00:37:17 | |
| If you've got a refrigerator. | 00:37:19 | |
| Can't be picked up unless it's got a special tag on it that says the coolant's been removed. It's things like that. | 00:37:21 | |
| But your everyday dump stuff. | 00:37:26 | |
| Mattresses changing out your cabinets. | 00:37:29 | |
| As long as it's done by the resident. | 00:37:31 | |
| They can pick it up. | 00:37:33 | |
| What they don't pick up is if it's a. | 00:37:35 | |
| They call it a move out. | 00:37:37 | |
| If you got a renter that didn't pay the rent and they get evicted. | 00:37:38 | |
| And then our product sits in the house and then. | 00:37:42 | |
| You know, you see on the corner, all of a sudden they've done all of their furniture on the corner. | 00:37:44 | |
| Government loan services won't pick that up either. That. | 00:37:47 | |
| Falls on the. | 00:37:50 | |
| Property owner and they can. | 00:37:51 | |
| Get a private dumpster delivered there and all that stuff will be picked up. | 00:37:53 | |
| The other things that won't pick up? | 00:37:56 | |
| Umm is if you're doing. | 00:37:58 | |
| Commercial yard waste or commercial. | 00:38:00 | |
| Construction. | 00:38:02 | |
| So the vendor is responsible for removing this stuff, but pretty much government will pick up anything. | 00:38:03 | |
| Except anything that's considered hazardous to the dump. | 00:38:08 | |
| Like I said, it's a vast but if you have any questions I mean I'll be more than happy to supply. | 00:38:13 | |
| That if you have something you've got to put out with. | 00:38:16 | |
| It's pretty vast. They'll pick up almost anything. | 00:38:18 | |
| Thank you. | 00:38:22 | |
| So as to the. | 00:38:23 | |
| Property that. | 00:38:25 | |
| Marina Martens and Pigmental Studios. | 00:38:26 | |
| They have purchased and closed on. | 00:38:29 | |
| I believe it's 3 parcels. | 00:38:33 | |
| That they purchased from the city through JDA. | 00:38:34 | |
| Umm, they were also acquiring private land that was outside of the Commerce Park. | 00:38:38 | |
| From a private individual and I'm not 100% sure whether that piece of property is. | 00:38:44 | |
| Completely closed or not, but I thought she said that it was. | 00:38:48 | |
| And she also acquired. | 00:38:52 | |
| A piece of land from SG blocks that had formerly been sold. | 00:38:55 | |
| By the city. | 00:38:59 | |
| And JDA to SG blocks that. | 00:39:01 | |
| And so she has acquired that land as well. | 00:39:04 | |
| Like I say once again, that was. | 00:39:07 | |
| A private transaction between her and SD blocks. | 00:39:09 | |
| And. | 00:39:13 | |
| That one may be the one. | 00:39:15 | |
| If I had to guess, that might not be fully closed yet, but I think. | 00:39:16 | |
| Because that company, SG Blocks, has had some. | 00:39:20 | |
| Change over from reorganization and some different things that I think slowed that process down, but. | 00:39:23 | |
| I think she did finally get. | 00:39:28 | |
| Closed on that but. | 00:39:30 | |
| She has, I believe, well over 100 acres. | 00:39:32 | |
| That she has acquired out there so. | 00:39:35 | |
| She has the land. | 00:39:38 | |
| To do. | 00:39:39 | |
| A full solar. | 00:39:40 | |
| If. | 00:39:41 | |
| If she goes that way and on that property center. | 00:39:42 | |
| Larry White, 102 Assemblies. Gordon, St. Marys. | 00:40:08 | |
| Got basically three items. | 00:40:12 | |
| 1 is a follow up on exit 1. | 00:40:14 | |
| And that's more of a. | 00:40:17 | |
| I brought this up before. | 00:40:18 | |
| They've been putting flags down on Liquor Drive. | 00:40:21 | |
| For the proposed sewer line. | 00:40:24 | |
| Coming from. | 00:40:26 | |
| Exit 1 Development. | 00:40:28 | |
| Down to the point. | 00:40:29 | |
| Down to the lift station down there. | 00:40:31 | |
| At the corner of a. | 00:40:33 | |
| The Colerain. | 00:40:35 | |
| And. | 00:40:38 | |
| My mind's going. | 00:40:40 | |
| Anyway, Rd. | 00:40:42 | |
| No, not Saint Mary's Road. | 00:40:43 | |
| Sugar Miller Sugar Mill Blvd. | 00:40:45 | |
| You're supposed to attach it to that legislation. | 00:40:48 | |
| And I'll ask the question again. | 00:40:50 | |
| When are they going to be completing? | 00:40:52 | |
| That sewer line or still in the design phase? | 00:40:54 | |
| That's a question I have. Can that be addressed? | 00:40:59 | |
| I'm pretty sure the engineering is still going on. | 00:41:02 | |
| Well, my concern is. | 00:41:06 | |
| Once they get the design done and they want to start their construction. | 00:41:08 | |
| Is going to be during the school year. | 00:41:11 | |
| You got Marley Clark Elementary School. | 00:41:13 | |
| Right there on Nuclear Drive. | 00:41:16 | |
| And if they're going to be laying sewer lines? | 00:41:17 | |
| Long drive. | 00:41:20 | |
| Play havoc. | 00:41:22 | |
| With the school traffic there from. | 00:41:23 | |
| Myrtle Clark. | 00:41:25 | |
| The other thing too is I want to know. | 00:41:26 | |
| I've seen drawings. | 00:41:28 | |
| Preliminary drawings. | 00:41:30 | |
| That they're going to complete their cut through. | 00:41:31 | |
| From Saint Mary's Road to Nicola Drive. | 00:41:34 | |
| Are they going to do that or not? | 00:41:37 | |
| OK, good. | 00:41:39 | |
| The other item is I want to bring up the. | 00:41:42 | |
| Again, I'm like a broken record. | 00:41:44 | |
| Speeding. Speeding. | 00:41:46 | |
| On Nuclear Drive. | 00:41:49 | |
| They're by the school. | 00:41:50 | |
| It is not a 25 mile per hour. | 00:41:52 | |
| Speed limit for school zone. | 00:41:57 | |
| Is a permanent 25 mph. | 00:41:59 | |
| Speed limit on nickel drive. | 00:42:02 | |
| From one end to the other. | 00:42:04 | |
| And I've had more people come up on my rear end. | 00:42:06 | |
| When I'm doing this feeling and I make a drive driving home. | 00:42:09 | |
| Because I live down on the end of my record drive. | 00:42:12 | |
| Whenever the item I can't remember what it was, give me a second. | 00:42:17 | |
| I've forgot 5 minutes I guess. | 00:42:20 | |
| That's right, because I. | 00:42:29 | |
| You forget my age, you can't remember everything. | 00:42:30 | |
| Never mind, I can't. | 00:42:34 | |
| What was again? | 00:42:36 | |
| Never mind. | 00:42:38 | |
| Ken Jolly 102 Saltgrass Trace here in Saint Mary's. | 00:42:51 | |
| Mr. Mayor, Council members. | 00:42:55 | |
| Mr. Williams response regarding the. | 00:42:58 | |
| Bolt pickup was excellent. | 00:43:02 | |
| I had the opportunity to speak with. | 00:43:05 | |
| Employees of. | 00:43:08 | |
| Cumberland. | 00:43:11 | |
| Waste Management. | 00:43:12 | |
| And we discovered that. | 00:43:14 | |
| In addition to the recycling truck that comes through. | 00:43:16 | |
| In addition to the regular trash cup. | 00:43:20 | |
| Truck that comes through. | 00:43:22 | |
| There are two other trucks. | 00:43:24 | |
| That are available. | 00:43:27 | |
| For bulk pickup. | 00:43:28 | |
| The first is manned by a driver and a writer. | 00:43:30 | |
| And if the bulk can be picked up by this one individual? | 00:43:35 | |
| Then it's done. | 00:43:40 | |
| If the item is too large. | 00:43:42 | |
| Then that gets. | 00:43:44 | |
| Indicated umm. | 00:43:46 | |
| And fed back to. | 00:43:47 | |
| The. | 00:43:49 | |
| Company and they dispatch. | 00:43:51 | |
| A larger truck that has. | 00:43:55 | |
| The grappling hook on it. | 00:43:56 | |
| And as Mr. Williams pointed out. | 00:43:59 | |
| If you have items that have a refrigerant in. | 00:44:02 | |
| Whether it be a small refrigerator. | 00:44:06 | |
| An air conditioner. | 00:44:09 | |
| A freezer or a larger refrigerator. | 00:44:11 | |
| Or any other item that has a refrigerant in it. | 00:44:14 | |
| It will not be picked up unless it has that special yellow sticker on it. | 00:44:19 | |
| This is a Georgia State long. | 00:44:24 | |
| The refrigerant gets recovered. | 00:44:27 | |
| By individuals companies who are licensed to do so. | 00:44:30 | |
| And that refrigerant? | 00:44:34 | |
| Can be reused. | 00:44:37 | |
| Either in your own equipment or maybe someone elses. | 00:44:39 | |
| So it. | 00:44:44 | |
| Refrigerant, generally speaking. | 00:44:45 | |
| Doesn't deteriorate overtime. | 00:44:47 | |
| It is, however, a tremendous hazard to the atmosphere. | 00:44:50 | |
| Tremendous hazard. | 00:44:54 | |
| To human life. | 00:44:56 | |
| And extremely dangerous if you try to release this refrigerant for the atmosphere yourself. | 00:44:57 | |
| It's under high pressure. | 00:45:03 | |
| And it can do an awful lot of damage to you. | 00:45:05 | |
| The businesses that are licensed. | 00:45:10 | |
| To recover the refrigerant. | 00:45:13 | |
| Also are issued the special little yellow stickers. | 00:45:16 | |
| If that yellow sticker is not on the item, that. | 00:45:19 | |
| Would have had refrigerated in it. | 00:45:22 | |
| That it will not get picked up. | 00:45:25 | |
| And. | 00:45:27 | |
| It's unfortunate that. | 00:45:30 | |
| When that happens. | 00:45:32 | |
| People then decide I'll just throw it in the back of my pickup truck and some light just dump it someplace. | 00:45:34 | |
| So. | 00:45:41 | |
| It certainly is helping. | 00:45:43 | |
| The city, it's helping the environment. | 00:45:44 | |
| And it's not a very expensive process to have a licensed company come out and recover that refrigerant for you. | 00:45:47 | |
| So let alone my experience with Cumberland Services has been nothing but. | 00:45:53 | |
| Awesome. Thank you very much. | 00:45:58 | |
| Some of you were. | 00:46:18 | |
| All of you actually were emailed to a copy of this particular domain, and your name is Andrew. | 00:46:19 | |
| Oh, Robert Whitley. | 00:46:24 | |
| 1601 Highway 40 E, Kingsland. | 00:46:26 | |
| People with microphone up to your mouth please. | 00:46:29 | |
| OK, I have two extra copies if someone would like a hard copy. | 00:46:32 | |
| Takers, OK. | 00:46:37 | |
| But this is a story regarding the. | 00:46:40 | |
| The floating docks at. | 00:46:46 | |
| Wheeler St. Wheeler St. Ducks. | 00:46:47 | |
| The I live on a boat on the water. | 00:46:49 | |
| And I've been there. | 00:46:52 | |
| Along since July. | 00:46:53 | |
| 2022. | 00:46:55 | |
| And. | 00:46:57 | |
| This is my home, my city, my everything. | 00:46:58 | |
| I've been a resident of Georgia since 1991. | 00:47:00 | |
| But we moved down here. | 00:47:04 | |
| Just a few years ago. | 00:47:06 | |
| And over time, I got here just the time. | 00:47:08 | |
| Or Hurricane Irma to wipe out the docks. | 00:47:11 | |
| So it kind of leaves you in limbo with where you're going to live. So we enjoyed. | 00:47:14 | |
| Being on an anchor in the river. | 00:47:19 | |
| For the longest time, we've traveled up and down the coast. | 00:47:21 | |
| To Key West and to Bahamas and stuff like that. | 00:47:24 | |
| But we're this is still our home. And with that said. | 00:47:29 | |
| We live on an anchor. | 00:47:33 | |
| On the boat and we do come to the dinghy, dot or not. | 00:47:35 | |
| Is that the dinghy dot but? | 00:47:38 | |
| The floating docks every day. | 00:47:39 | |
| We have a car here that's. | 00:47:42 | |
| Storage units just like any other household. | 00:47:44 | |
| And it's come to mind recently that. | 00:47:49 | |
| After Hurricane Irma. | 00:47:52 | |
| Blew away the. | 00:47:54 | |
| The. | 00:47:55 | |
| Replacements came along a couple. | 00:47:57 | |
| 2 1/2 years ago. | 00:47:59 | |
| I used to work with Jim Samson a lot regarding code enforcement regarding. | 00:48:01 | |
| The time limits on the dot. | 00:48:04 | |
| I was One of the earliest things I learned was the time when. | 00:48:06 | |
| There's some people. | 00:48:11 | |
| Really picky bat and some people not. | 00:48:13 | |
| It turns out that the way the code is written. | 00:48:15 | |
| Umm. | 00:48:18 | |
| One doc has a 15 minute time limit. The code actually says 30, but some I know that the signs ended up saying 15 minutes. | 00:48:21 | |
| The other doctor 6 hour. | 00:48:29 | |
| Maximum umm. | 00:48:31 | |
| No overnight. | 00:48:32 | |
| Dockages if you were. | 00:48:34 | |
| Planning to live there? | 00:48:36 | |
| You know, reside on the dock. | 00:48:38 | |
| With that said. | 00:48:40 | |
| All of it is first come, first serve. | 00:48:45 | |
| Over the course of time. | 00:48:47 | |
| The left hand, Let's call it East. | 00:48:52 | |
| Which is listed in the document. | 00:48:55 | |
| But the stock was intended to be a 15 minute. | 00:48:57 | |
| Quick, quick and dirty launch your boat. | 00:49:00 | |
| Put your put your bed over there and go. | 00:49:03 | |
| Parker Trailer come back and go fishing. | 00:49:05 | |
| The other side. | 00:49:08 | |
| If you come to come to shore. | 00:49:09 | |
| From a dinghy. | 00:49:11 | |
| Or any visitor that goes up down the inner coastal that ends up swinging into Saint Mary's and resigning for. | 00:49:13 | |
| A few days, a few weeks. | 00:49:19 | |
| All Thanksgiving, any of those. | 00:49:21 | |
| Reasons for a lengthy stay. | 00:49:23 | |
| They have to come to the. | 00:49:26 | |
| Floating docks that ends up being. | 00:49:28 | |
| A reason to if they come to town and anybody, including myself. | 00:49:31 | |
| It's not a 15 minute stay. | 00:49:35 | |
| That's gonna lean in so we don't go to the 15 minute dot, we purposely go to. | 00:49:37 | |
| The longer time lapse. | 00:49:42 | |
| So 6 hours. | 00:49:44 | |
| Usually you get all your business done in six hours. | 00:49:46 | |
| But it used to be a. | 00:49:48 | |
| Jim Sampson would remind me when I was. | 00:49:50 | |
| Into my 7th hour and I would. | 00:49:52 | |
| Go away, you know, go ahead and leave. | 00:49:55 | |
| The umm. | 00:49:58 | |
| So recently. | 00:50:00 | |
| That's not been adequate, somebody. | 00:50:02 | |
| Wanted. | 00:50:04 | |
| Natural attrition had all the dinghies. | 00:50:06 | |
| Accumulating on one particular finger. | 00:50:10 | |
| And then the number of things group. | 00:50:13 | |
| Partly to the second finger. | 00:50:14 | |
| Umm, so that ends up putting a little bit of a crunch on the right hand dock. | 00:50:16 | |
| Let's the West dot. | 00:50:22 | |
| That makes it tough for some of the motorboaters when when the West dot gets full, you just look out across the. | 00:50:27 | |
| Water from the parking lot and you say it's full? | 00:50:34 | |
| And the other dock is empty. | 00:50:37 | |
| There might be 1 but. | 00:50:39 | |
| And he's theoretically only there for 15 minutes and he's moving on. | 00:50:41 | |
| But so the busy dock, the slightly larger dot. | 00:50:45 | |
| With the. | 00:50:48 | |
| The kayak. | 00:50:49 | |
| Launching. | 00:50:50 | |
| Ramp platform. | 00:50:51 | |
| That's getting to be quite a busy dog. | 00:50:55 | |
| It's been made mentioned. | 00:50:58 | |
| If we got rid of all those things, there'd be room for more motorboaters. | 00:51:02 | |
| The Fisherman. | 00:51:08 | |
| So with. | 00:51:09 | |
| So when? | 00:51:11 | |
| Just back stepping just a little whenever a Hurricane Irma came along and took away the docks. | 00:51:12 | |
| When the new ones came. | 00:51:17 | |
| They were very different the document that I provided. | 00:51:18 | |
| Has the pictures on it from. | 00:51:22 | |
| 2017 and today. | 00:51:24 | |
| And you can tell by looking. | 00:51:27 | |
| We no longer have a concrete power. It's not. | 00:51:29 | |
| We no longer have the dot down the middle of the. | 00:51:31 | |
| Ramps. | 00:51:34 | |
| It it two of the dinghies of myself speaking to all of the guys that are out there right now. | 00:51:36 | |
| We are all perfectly happy with. | 00:51:44 | |
| Some sort of a shift? | 00:51:48 | |
| To where we end up on the other dock. | 00:51:49 | |
| We don't care. It's. | 00:51:53 | |
| So if we were to merely change those time limits things. | 00:51:54 | |
| To where? | 00:51:59 | |
| The stock was. | 00:52:00 | |
| More than. | 00:52:01 | |
| 15 minutes. | 00:52:03 | |
| And change it to. | 00:52:05 | |
| And here I'm actually proposing 12 and I'll give you that backup story. | 00:52:07 | |
| But if the left hand. | 00:52:11 | |
| East dot was had a longer time limit. We would attrition over there and this and the one with. | 00:52:13 | |
| Short term duration after launching your boat would be. | 00:52:19 | |
| On the West Dock. | 00:52:22 | |
| And that would occur. There would be more room for the larger hard shell boats. | 00:52:23 | |
| And having spoken to all of the. | 00:52:29 | |
| The guys that are here now. | 00:52:34 | |
| They don't care the people that come in from out of town, they want no one from the other. | 00:52:36 | |
| Won't care because the signage would be correct. It says. This one is short term, this one is long term. | 00:52:39 | |
| And so we can handle that with just a simple. | 00:52:45 | |
| Minor change in the. | 00:52:47 | |
| Signs with one of them being longer, the other one being shorter. | 00:52:49 | |
| So that. | 00:52:56 | |
| Is the biggest proposal in my thing about regarding trying to update the MO U. | 00:52:58 | |
| Between the city and the DNR, so everybody's on the same page. | 00:53:03 | |
| And then? | 00:53:07 | |
| A little bit of natural attention just because the time limit changed. | 00:53:09 | |
| Will unclog. | 00:53:13 | |
| The favorite doc. | 00:53:15 | |
| And the rest of us, the little bit. | 00:53:18 | |
| Doesn't matter, because you know what I mean? It's just a little. | 00:53:20 | |
| A way to get to shore and go do your business. | 00:53:24 | |
| Everybody else that they're getting ready to go fishing, but. | 00:53:27 | |
| The short duration they load up. | 00:53:29 | |
| And bag of fish. | 00:53:31 | |
| So that is the proposal in this. | 00:53:35 | |
| The actual times are listed. | 00:53:37 | |
| On my document on page 10. | 00:53:40 | |
| Stating that there's a there's a reason for Kate to. | 00:53:47 | |
| Everything you do, there's a reason for exceptions. | 00:53:52 | |
| But umm. | 00:53:54 | |
| The basically switching the long term. | 00:53:56 | |
| Term stay to maximum 12 hours. | 00:53:59 | |
| Lends itself to more possibility to people that actually have a job that might be in Jacksonville, it might be in. | 00:54:03 | |
| Brunswick, or it might be in Savannah. | 00:54:10 | |
| 12 hours gives them a chance to go through their employment and come back and still. | 00:54:12 | |
| Not have to be. | 00:54:16 | |
| Challenged by code enforcement because. | 00:54:17 | |
| We went across the time limit. | 00:54:20 | |
| Extend the time limit a little bit. That's all we're doing there to make it. | 00:54:22 | |
| Work for them. | 00:54:25 | |
| That applies also to doctors appointments. | 00:54:26 | |
| For a lot of. | 00:54:29 | |
| Almost every all the two people out there now. | 00:54:31 | |
| Our senior. | 00:54:34 | |
| Some of them closer to 80 years old. | 00:54:36 | |
| And so doctor's appointments, whenever they occur, they could. | 00:54:40 | |
| But it's always by surprise. But they may last longer than the time limit. | 00:54:44 | |
| And there's no need to. | 00:54:48 | |
| If we extended the time limit, there's no need for a challenge just to go to the doctor. | 00:54:49 | |
| And so that's some of the support. | 00:54:54 | |
| We're kind of going to. | 00:54:56 | |
| Past 7 minutes here now, but. | 00:54:57 | |
| I did have a question because I'm not a voter. | 00:55:00 | |
| Maybe or. | 00:55:03 | |
| Someone else here can answer for me? | 00:55:04 | |
| This does Fernandina have. | 00:55:07 | |
| Any free docking like? | 00:55:10 | |
| Like this? | 00:55:11 | |
| No. So I was just curious about that. | 00:55:13 | |
| The a certain. | 00:55:17 | |
| Huh. | 00:55:19 | |
| OK. | 00:55:23 | |
| That's incorrect input. | 00:55:35 | |
| They don't have any more wings in the river. | 00:55:36 | |
| At Carnitine for people's eyes. | 00:55:38 | |
| Morning, yes, but anchoring is living as well. | 00:55:41 | |
| So if you look up to a boring. | 00:55:44 | |
| You're paying city parking. | 00:55:45 | |
| OK, I am like you said past my. | 00:55:50 | |
| 7 minutes. | 00:55:52 | |
| This document still is not quite through but. | 00:55:54 | |
| Very carefully arranged that. | 00:55:58 | |
| Portion coming up regarding the kayak launcher on the. | 00:56:00 | |
| On the West dot. | 00:56:04 | |
| And safety items and. | 00:56:05 | |
| Cameras. I found the. | 00:56:09 | |
| Is on here as well and a discussion on. | 00:56:11 | |
| A water faucet. | 00:56:14 | |
| So at this point. | 00:56:15 | |
| I can step down and. | 00:56:19 | |
| And let. | 00:56:21 | |
| Karen White. Disgusting. | 00:56:23 | |
| Kayak Launcher. | 00:56:24 | |
| And then after that. | 00:56:26 | |
| Stephen Birch will talk about safety and cameras. | 00:56:28 | |
| And go from there. | 00:56:33 | |
| And. | 00:56:34 | |
| To me, we've already had a little bit of discussion on my part, but once you hear all 5 pieces. | 00:56:35 | |
| It's probably a good time for a conclusion. | 00:56:42 | |
| And had it all together. | 00:56:45 | |
| Thank you. | 00:56:48 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 00:56:49 | |
| Karen White. | 00:56:53 | |
| 609 Margaret St. | 00:56:54 | |
| I became part of this. You guys know me as the tennis court person, but now I'm on to kayaks. | 00:56:56 | |
| Anyway. | 00:57:02 | |
| I'm just really part of this because I'm the person they know that kayaks. | 00:57:03 | |
| And I like our kayak launch. And I was shocked to read a note that you guys received from. | 00:57:08 | |
| One of my neighbors saying that. | 00:57:17 | |
| The kayak launch never gets used, that he's down there all the time and nobody ever uses it. Well, I don't think that's true. And | 00:57:20 | |
| furthermore. | 00:57:24 | |
| The town could stand. | 00:57:29 | |
| To have a sign up. | 00:57:31 | |
| Wherever there's a nice kayak launch, it's usually there's usually a sign. | 00:57:33 | |
| To let people know. Now we all know that there's many kayaks that come into this town. You see them on people's cars. | 00:57:39 | |
| I think if that kayak launch had a sign up. | 00:57:45 | |
| People would know about it. | 00:57:48 | |
| And it's, you know, it wasn't a cheap. | 00:57:50 | |
| Thing to build. | 00:57:54 | |
| So when somebody says they think we should get rid of it because it's not being used, you know, I tend to disagree with that. | 00:57:55 | |
| So I think it would be a great asset for the town to put some signage up. | 00:58:03 | |
| To let people know. I've told 3 or 4 different people that that's there. They had no idea it was there. | 00:58:08 | |
| I don't use the launch. | 00:58:13 | |
| Because I have a fiberglass boat. | 00:58:16 | |
| So I don't want it to get scraped. | 00:58:18 | |
| Anyway, we are a boating community and that is a boat. | 00:58:21 | |
| So, uh. | 00:58:24 | |
| We can't just disregard that now. | 00:58:25 | |
| Let's move on to something more important is the safety. | 00:58:28 | |
| Of uh. | 00:58:33 | |
| Being down on those. | 00:58:34 | |
| It's kind of interesting to me, I. | 00:58:36 | |
| You know, I've often thought, what if I fell off the dock? | 00:58:38 | |
| How would I get back on the? | 00:58:42 | |
| I wouldn't. I'd have to swim to shore. | 00:58:44 | |
| Lucky for me, I'm a good swimmer. Not everybody is. | 00:58:47 | |
| So I think we need to address that. | 00:58:50 | |
| We should have a ladder. | 00:58:52 | |
| We should have. | 00:58:55 | |
| And we have nothing. | 00:58:57 | |
| At least something to toss to somebody if they fall off the dock. | 00:58:59 | |
| And I will follow it up with. | 00:59:03 | |
| We need to have some cameras. | 00:59:05 | |
| Because you guys know that the last time I was at the meeting, I brought up the the fact that somebody got attacked down on the | 00:59:08 | |
| dock. | 00:59:11 | |
| I don't think anything's ever happened with that. I don't think anybody's ever been charged. | 00:59:16 | |
| But had we had a camera? | 00:59:21 | |
| I mean, there's only two ways out of town. | 00:59:24 | |
| You know, they had to go one way or the other. | 00:59:27 | |
| And we could have gotten a license plate. | 00:59:30 | |
| And I was very upset about that happening. | 00:59:33 | |
| But uh. | 00:59:35 | |
| The gentleman that was attacked is here. | 00:59:36 | |
| So I'm hoping he will come up and discuss. | 00:59:38 | |
| What that was all about. | 00:59:41 | |
| And how we need to have. | 00:59:43 | |
| More cameras. | 00:59:46 | |
| In areas. | 00:59:48 | |
| Where there's people meeting. | 00:59:49 | |
| Things happen. | 00:59:51 | |
| All right. | 00:59:54 | |
| I'm Steve Birch. | 01:00:02 | |
| Durden St. Saint Mary's. | 01:00:05 | |
| I'm a boater also and it was my son that was attacked. And your name and address please. | 01:00:08 | |
| I did OK. | 01:00:13 | |
| Miss. | 01:00:15 | |
| Couldn't hear you. Could you repeat that? Can you bring the mic up? | 01:00:16 | |
| That's about as close as I'm right now. | 01:00:21 | |
| Bring up your mouth. There you go. | 01:00:23 | |
| That's good. Thank you, Steve Birch. | 01:00:25 | |
| Turdin St. Saint Mary's. | 01:00:28 | |
| Anyway, my son was a tech so I know what's going on there. | 01:00:31 | |
| And as far as the safety issue? | 01:00:34 | |
| You see little kids down there without their parents all the time if they fell off the dock. | 01:00:36 | |
| There's no way for them to get. | 01:00:40 | |
| So safety is an issue. | 01:00:43 | |
| When we go down there at night. | 01:00:45 | |
| There are a lot of people doing drugs on the dock Which? | 01:00:47 | |
| You know, and in the park, sitting on the benches there, which is kind of uncomfortable for people that don't need drugs. | 01:00:50 | |
| If you don't mind me asking, sure. | 01:00:56 | |
| Seen it or smelled it? | 01:00:58 | |
| Oh, no, more than every day. I mean, you know, like. | 01:01:01 | |
| There might be some nights four or five people down there. | 01:01:06 | |
| You know, couples or whatever doing it. | 01:01:09 | |
| Sunlight, Sir, may only be 1. | 01:01:11 | |
| Some lights are maybe none, but it's pretty. | 01:01:13 | |
| Consistent, uh. | 01:01:16 | |
| And it's never the same people. It's always different people. I don't know if they're from out of town or what. This. | 01:01:17 | |
| Sure, because this is a problem. | 01:01:22 | |
| And when you walk through the park at night? | 01:01:24 | |
| And sometimes the lights are out and you smell the drugs, everything it's. | 01:01:26 | |
| And especially after my son got attacked, we're a little. | 01:01:31 | |
| You know, worry about that kind of thing. | 01:01:34 | |
| But anyway, getting back to the Dingy Duck. | 01:01:36 | |
| One thing you all may not know about. | 01:01:39 | |
| People like us that come in on dinghies. | 01:01:41 | |
| Is we don't. | 01:01:44 | |
| Take up like this is the dock we. | 01:01:45 | |
| Park like this long ways. | 01:01:47 | |
| We tie the front rope. | 01:01:49 | |
| To the cleat. So when you have 6 cleats. | 01:01:52 | |
| You can get at least six dinghies, but usually if it's crowded, we'll get. | 01:01:54 | |
| 10 or 12 dinghies because we'll double tie on people that we know. | 01:01:58 | |
| So if you put just one boat there, like a fishing boat. | 01:02:01 | |
| You only get one vote there, but with the dignity you get a bunch. | 01:02:05 | |
| So we're trying to be. | 01:02:08 | |
| You know, at least the people that are here all the time now. I know some people that come in from out of town. | 01:02:09 | |
| They might tie up differently and take up more space than they should. | 01:02:15 | |
| But the people that are conscientious about this? | 01:02:19 | |
| You know, be very careful and take up the little room as possible because we know fishing boats want to be there. | 01:02:21 | |
| And there are many times when we come in and one vote. | 01:02:27 | |
| Will park in the middle. | 01:02:30 | |
| Of the dot when they could have either pulled forward or back. | 01:02:32 | |
| And there's no ring for the dinghy without your dinghy swinging and hitting them, and they don't like that, so we don't want to | 01:02:34 | |
| hit their boat. | 01:02:37 | |
| But as far as my son being attacked, that son. | 01:02:41 | |
| Something that, you know, the cameras really bother me because. | 01:02:44 | |
| The way the guy went out of the park. | 01:02:48 | |
| His face was never seen. | 01:02:51 | |
| As vehicles never seen. | 01:02:53 | |
| You know my son's got. | 01:02:56 | |
| Steel plate and his jaw. He had to have emergency surgery. | 01:02:57 | |
| Bleeding all of the duck. | 01:03:00 | |
| His face was shattered. | 01:03:02 | |
| Just some random idiot coming up. Just. | 01:03:05 | |
| Punching the hell out of him. | 01:03:07 | |
| You know, 7:00 at night. | 01:03:09 | |
| Sheila, I mean June. | 01:03:12 | |
| 13th Friday 13th. | 01:03:14 | |
| My son had done nothing to the guy, didn't even know who it was, The witnesses said they saw him just. | 01:03:17 | |
| Screaming and running over to my son who was standing by the Dean. | 01:03:22 | |
| With his arms to his side. | 01:03:25 | |
| And the guy just. | 01:03:27 | |
| Not them as far as it could. Knocked him out. | 01:03:28 | |
| So it would be nice to have some cameras to see. | 01:03:32 | |
| You know, people like that. | 01:03:34 | |
| So that's pretty much all that site. | 01:03:36 | |
| I just appreciate it. Thank you. Certainly sorry, but your son's. | 01:03:38 | |
| Jerry Brown below 805 Riverview Dr. West. | 01:03:48 | |
| I thought I'd get up here and talk tonight because we had all this. | 01:03:52 | |
| Talk about boats and everything, but I want to kind of talk about the big picture. First one is. | 01:03:55 | |
| Like Karen said, you know. | 01:04:00 | |
| We try to. | 01:04:02 | |
| Name ourselves, I think Candace was asking us not too long ago to. | 01:04:03 | |
| Come up with something and everybody says Gateway to Cumberland Island. We're a boating committee. | 01:04:07 | |
| We don't have a beat. | 01:04:13 | |
| But we got lots of bugs. | 01:04:14 | |
| And not just for people that live here. | 01:04:16 | |
| The whole surrounding Southeast Georgia comes to these boat ramps. | 01:04:19 | |
| And they bring a lot of money here. | 01:04:23 | |
| And what I've noticed over the last 12 years watching all the stuff go on. | 01:04:26 | |
| Because I'm down there every day, almost. | 01:04:31 | |
| Is that we not only got more boats. | 01:04:33 | |
| We got bigger butts. | 01:04:36 | |
| And some of these bigger boats can't fit in the boat. | 01:04:38 | |
| Parking areas. | 01:04:41 | |
| So we need to have. | 01:04:43 | |
| Develop a master plan. | 01:04:45 | |
| For parking. | 01:04:48 | |
| And it needs to be for all kinds of parking too, but the boat parking in particular, because a lot of people. | 01:04:49 | |
| Won't come to Willow St. boat ramp anymore because they can't find a. | 01:04:55 | |
| Placed a partner trailers. | 01:04:59 | |
| And they go to Meeting St. which means Meeting St. gets over. | 01:05:01 | |
| Book for Parking is on a busy weekend. | 01:05:05 | |
| So what I'd like to, not me, but people that talk to me and tell me all these issues would like to see is. | 01:05:08 | |
| As a capital improvement plan. | 01:05:15 | |
| That. | 01:05:18 | |
| That deals with parking for trailers. | 01:05:19 | |
| And adds more parking space. | 01:05:22 | |
| Because. | 01:05:24 | |
| You know, we got a nice little island downtown where Greg plants flowers. | 01:05:25 | |
| That used to be 21 boat and trailer parking places. | 01:05:30 | |
| Until it became an island. | 01:05:34 | |
| With trees and then we redid downtown and lost another 15 boat and trailer parking. So over the last 15 years we've lost 35. | 01:05:35 | |
| The trailer parkins downtown. | 01:05:44 | |
| So anyway, I'd like to see. | 01:05:46 | |
| And, and part of that could be like where we're parking the Park Service people over there now by the cemetery. That would be a | 01:05:47 | |
| great place to make a lot more boat and trailer parking over there. But I like to see it put in some kind of plan. | 01:05:52 | |
| For Wheeler St. and for Meeting St. | 01:05:58 | |
| And So what we'd also like is a capital improvement plan. | 01:06:02 | |
| Additions to our CIP that we're doing. | 01:06:06 | |
| That adds. | 01:06:08 | |
| That adds to the West. | 01:06:10 | |
| Back making it bigger. | 01:06:12 | |
| And adds to the meeting St. doc. | 01:06:15 | |
| Making it bigger. | 01:06:17 | |
| And what we'd like to see you guys doing when we ever resolve this Jacobi thing. | 01:06:19 | |
| Is that? | 01:06:24 | |
| We've put ourselves in a box over there on Meeting St. because we don't have room to expand the parking. | 01:06:25 | |
| Ought to build the restroom that needs to be there. | 01:06:32 | |
| So we need to acquire that little chunk of land. | 01:06:35 | |
| Where we dug up the dirt. | 01:06:38 | |
| When the governor was here. | 01:06:40 | |
| And make a restroom there and double the size of the parking lot at Meeting St. | 01:06:41 | |
| Just for the future of the community, you know, when all these people X1 come and get their boats and move in here and like I | 01:06:47 | |
| said, we got way more boats than we had 10 years ago. | 01:06:52 | |
| And they're getting bigger and bigger. | 01:06:56 | |
| So I'd like to say that kind of a comprehensive thing, but I'm the. | 01:06:59 | |
| Current situation downtown. | 01:07:02 | |
| I think that. | 01:07:05 | |
| What we don't want to do? | 01:07:08 | |
| Is charge people to come here and park? | 01:07:10 | |
| Because you got a lot of people come over here from Fernandina. | 01:07:13 | |
| And those people drive over here in a big boat. | 01:07:17 | |
| Park four or five hours. | 01:07:19 | |
| And go to locals. | 01:07:21 | |
| Signals or wherever and have dinner and spend a lot of money here. | 01:07:23 | |
| And there's more and more of that going on. | 01:07:26 | |
| And if you provide. | 01:07:28 | |
| That dark space, so they can do that. | 01:07:29 | |
| There will be more of that. | 01:07:32 | |
| You'll probably get more money in the Saint Mary's from that than you will. | 01:07:33 | |
| The ferry. | 01:07:37 | |
| That we may or may not ever do. | 01:07:38 | |
| But, and that's why you need to expand that box space downtown. | 01:07:41 | |
| And over at meeting St. is to accommodate those kinds of things and for future growth and that. | 01:07:45 | |
| Part of our boating community. | 01:07:50 | |
| So anyway to address the current issues down there? | 01:07:53 | |
| There's not a major problem there. | 01:07:57 | |
| But. | 01:08:00 | |
| You I think you need to set aside. | 01:08:00 | |
| A certain area of one of those dots for me. | 01:08:04 | |
| And have different rules for the dinghy dock. | 01:08:07 | |
| Then you do the boat. | 01:08:09 | |
| And then, and then, then you're, then you've got the dinghies where they need to be. | 01:08:11 | |
| And the boats where they need to be and the days need something different. | 01:08:16 | |
| Then somebody from Fernandina parking for six hours and having dinner. | 01:08:20 | |
| The beings have an issue. | 01:08:24 | |
| With time. | 01:08:25 | |
| And I would like to see the city just turn the water back on to the dock out there so they can get water because I don't believe | 01:08:27 | |
| that's a big expense for the city compared to the revenue that's generated by those people. | 01:08:32 | |
| I know what. | 01:08:38 | |
| So I probably forgot something, but that's my main thing is that we need to look. | 01:08:42 | |
| That, like I said, supporting. | 01:08:49 | |
| Voting in this community. | 01:08:51 | |
| With parking and docking space. | 01:08:53 | |
| I have a question for you. | 01:08:57 | |
| Umm, do you think there's any appetite for dry storage? | 01:09:01 | |
| Of boats that would alleviate so we have more parking for. | 01:09:04 | |
| Guessed the people who bring. I think we need a dry storage here especially. | 01:09:09 | |
| Like, I think like, come on, Harvey, Iceberg Cove and then the new development out there probably too, won't have enough space to | 01:09:15 | |
| accommodate people's boats and trailers inside those communities. | 01:09:20 | |
| And, and that would have been a great thing to have over here on meeting St. like it was originally planned. It's a story story. | 01:09:25 | |
| So the dry the stack storage. | 01:09:31 | |
| Where you could actually get your boat. | 01:09:34 | |
| Yeah, you go in. | 01:09:36 | |
| Yeah, we definitely need that, especially if we ever develop that like. | 01:09:38 | |
| Like was playing with a Marina over there. You need that dry storage and you got the place to do it, but you still need. | 01:09:43 | |
| The more parking and the restrooms. | 01:09:49 | |
| At Manning St. | 01:09:51 | |
| Thanks. That was for the Jacobi plan for that area. | 01:09:54 | |
| OK, good evening. My name is Jeff Myers. I'm at 306 W Weed St. | 01:09:57 | |
| I'm the one guilty for stirring up the hornet's nest on all the dock issues. | 01:10:09 | |
| And. | 01:10:15 | |
| I really hate it that I had to be the one to do it. | 01:10:17 | |
| I want to start off by something positive though, so this winter. | 01:10:22 | |
| A bunch of seasonal birds decided they wanted to take the East Dock and make it their living room. | 01:10:27 | |
| And it became really, really nasty. And I sent a note to Robbie about that. | 01:10:32 | |
| And within just a few days. | 01:10:37 | |
| He had somebody out there pressure washed the dock and got it all cleaned up, so that was great. | 01:10:41 | |
| But back to what I brought up a while back. | 01:10:48 | |
| My wife and I. | 01:10:53 | |
| Two very significant investments in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:10:55 | |
| With our first home and then a couple years ago completing. | 01:11:00 | |
| Construction of a Brandy home on Weed St. | 01:11:04 | |
| The reason? One of the primary reasons. | 01:11:07 | |
| We decided to build in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:11:11 | |
| Was access to the water with our boat. | 01:11:15 | |
| A beautiful public doc. | 01:11:20 | |
| And hate to say it, but we love Jerry. | 01:11:24 | |
| We love, you know, knuckleheads being right there and. | 01:11:27 | |
| And you know, he's a huge asset. | 01:11:30 | |
| The fact that he. | 01:11:32 | |
| Is working so hard in retirement to keep that bait shop up and going, That's awesome. | 01:11:34 | |
| So access to the water was. | 01:11:40 | |
| The primary reason we invested in downtown Saint Mary's. | 01:11:43 | |
| And. | 01:11:47 | |
| Ever since the docks were rebuilt. | 01:11:49 | |
| I have seen overtime. | 01:11:52 | |
| Deterioration of the web rails. | 01:11:55 | |
| And all that and so. | 01:11:57 | |
| I guess you know, about a month and a half ago I was like, OK. | 01:12:01 | |
| So we have very little rub rails left. We've got. | 01:12:05 | |
| One thing that has been tied up to this doc for at least two years. | 01:12:09 | |
| And has not moved other than. | 01:12:14 | |
| When somebody used it to go out to. | 01:12:16 | |
| The sailboat and then it was tied back up in the same place. | 01:12:18 | |
| Which does not follow our six hour rule. | 01:12:22 | |
| Then I when I started asking a couple local. | 01:12:25 | |
| Sailboat. | 01:12:29 | |
| People that live aboard their sailboats. I was like. | 01:12:31 | |
| Whose thing is this that's been tied up for the last couple weeks? | 01:12:34 | |
| Filled with trash and water. | 01:12:38 | |
| And they said I gave that to somebody that lives in the area. | 01:12:40 | |
| And they haven't done anything with it. And then asked about another Dean that was tied up at the end of the six hour dock. | 01:12:44 | |
| That had been there for. | 01:12:51 | |
| I believe somewhere around two months. | 01:12:53 | |
| And I was told that it was a. | 01:12:56 | |
| Elementary school teachers boat. | 01:13:00 | |
| That had a sailboat or a power boat or something mowed out on the water. | 01:13:02 | |
| And you know, at some point you just reach a breaking point. It's like. | 01:13:07 | |
| I I follow the rules and everybody this so I will say I bet nobody's really counted this if you. | 01:13:13 | |
| Go look at. | 01:13:20 | |
| All of our what I'm going to call slips, which are fingers. | 01:13:22 | |
| Of all of our floating docks between St. | 01:13:25 | |
| And the docs that we had downtown, the 15 minute dock and the six hour dock. | 01:13:29 | |
| If you're if you assume a 17 foot boat to 25 foot boat. | 01:13:34 | |
| In that range, which is the majority? | 01:13:40 | |
| Of what the citizens of Saint Mary's and. | 01:13:43 | |
| Our guests from North Florida, it's not just South Georgia that comes and uses the boat ramp. | 01:13:46 | |
| Those are the general sizes that most people have. | 01:13:52 | |
| You basically have space to tie up about. | 01:13:55 | |
| 13 boats. | 01:13:59 | |
| And all of downtown Saint Mary's. And that doesn't even include the demise. | 01:14:01 | |
| So literally 13 votes. | 01:14:07 | |
| And so I reached out to. | 01:14:11 | |
| To Greg and city management. | 01:14:14 | |
| A while back about some of these issues. | 01:14:17 | |
| I had 3-4, four issues. One. | 01:14:19 | |
| Maintenance of the docks. | 01:14:22 | |
| To Denny's and commercial contractors. | 01:14:23 | |
| They were tying up boats overnight, sometimes weeks on end. | 01:14:29 | |
| The billionaire that just rebuilt his dock, his contractors kept one of their work boats tied up on the six hour dock for weeks | 01:14:33 | |
| and weeks and weeks. | 01:14:37 | |
| And it shouldn't be me as the citizen. | 01:14:42 | |
| Going to you guys and management. | 01:14:46 | |
| You guys need to manage this, not. | 01:14:49 | |
| Not me. I love living here and I hate. | 01:14:51 | |
| The fact that I know a lot of these people don't like me. | 01:14:54 | |
| Because I brought up issues and I started challenging status quo. | 01:14:58 | |
| It's and at the end of the day, it's about respect of all of our fellow neighbors. | 01:15:03 | |
| And honoring our rules. | 01:15:08 | |
| And it's up to the city to manage that. | 01:15:11 | |
| And so. | 01:15:15 | |
| Yeah. | 01:15:19 | |
| We have the gateway Marina now. | 01:15:23 | |
| The last time I heard we were running about $100,000 deficit on that. | 01:15:25 | |
| We now have a solution for people that live on the water. | 01:15:31 | |
| For their needs. | 01:15:34 | |
| If they need water, we have it. | 01:15:36 | |
| Now, I don't think that our fee structure is correct on that based on what I've seen. | 01:15:38 | |
| If they need to leave their boat in their dinghy in the water for more than six hours, we're distribution for that. It's $5 a day | 01:15:43 | |
| to tie up a dingy over at the Gateway dock. | 01:15:49 | |
| And if you if you rent it by the week, it's $4.28. | 01:15:54 | |
| And you know, we as citizens and leadership of this community. | 01:16:02 | |
| We have a big deficit on that. | 01:16:08 | |
| We need revenue sources. | 01:16:10 | |
| Well, some of that can. There's some revenue source right there, commercial contractors that are working on the island. | 01:16:12 | |
| Literally I had to send you all an e-mail the other day about that as an example. I shouldn't have to do that. | 01:16:19 | |
| You know, we, you know, if they don't want to take their boat on and off the trailer, we've got a solution for that. It's called | 01:16:26 | |
| the Gateway Marina. | 01:16:30 | |
| For overnight. | 01:16:34 | |
| Tying up of your boat. | 01:16:36 | |
| So if you know. | 01:16:37 | |
| We can very easily start chipping away at that deficit. | 01:16:39 | |
| On that SO. | 01:16:44 | |
| You know the Gateway Marine? It offers water, it offers power, it offers pump out service. | 01:16:47 | |
| It offers a place for denies. | 01:16:54 | |
| It's it's, it's, it's the facility you need if you live on the water. | 01:16:58 | |
| The only thing it doesn't have is fuel. | 01:17:02 | |
| So. | 01:17:05 | |
| You know, and as far as the the kayak dock. | 01:17:07 | |
| With there being basically 13. | 01:17:11 | |
| In Saint Mary's. | 01:17:15 | |
| I was just trying to look at. | 01:17:16 | |
| Where do we have? | 01:17:18 | |
| With what we currently own. | 01:17:20 | |
| How can we better utilize the space that we have? | 01:17:23 | |
| And there was nothing personal against you. I did not know you were a kayaker. I did go to Jerry and I asked him. I was like, is | 01:17:27 | |
| there anybody that I've never seen anybody use it? | 01:17:32 | |
| Ever and he was like the only time he ever uses it is when he rents A2 person kayak. | 01:17:37 | |
| And he'll put him in the kayak launch there. And I said, I asked him, I said. | 01:17:45 | |
| Well, if that wasn't there. | 01:17:50 | |
| Could you roll that that kayak down to the dock? | 01:17:52 | |
| And have them get in the kayak. | 01:17:56 | |
| On the floating dock and he said yes. | 01:17:58 | |
| So I will tell you that that that kayak launch. | 01:18:01 | |
| It will hold seven days in that space and you cannot put a power vote in there because of the side current. It's it's impossible. | 01:18:05 | |
| But if you guys go watch how maneuverable a dinghy is, most of them. | 01:18:12 | |
| They can literally do 360° turns they can turn on. | 01:18:19 | |
| So it may be. | 01:18:25 | |
| The worst idea ever. | 01:18:26 | |
| But it was an idea. | 01:18:28 | |
| To better utilize what we have. | 01:18:30 | |
| The last point that I want to make is those 13 spaces. | 01:18:33 | |
| I took it upon myself today and I called DNR. | 01:18:37 | |
| Took me about two minutes to get in touch with the guy. | 01:18:41 | |
| That's responsible for all the public boat ramps. | 01:18:44 | |
| In coastal Georgia and all the public docs that they helped fund. | 01:18:47 | |
| And. | 01:18:52 | |
| To confirm, just so everybody in here knows. | 01:18:53 | |
| The city owns those. | 01:18:56 | |
| And the city is 100% responsible for managing and maintaining the docks. And I'm Speaking of the Wheeler St. dock and I'm Speaking | 01:18:58 | |
| of the Meeting St. **** So. | 01:19:04 | |
| And and if we want to make changes to how those docs are used, he said it is very simple because I brought up the kayak launch as | 01:19:11 | |
| an example and I told him I was like, I may be the only person that likes this idea, but if people do like the idea and we want to | 01:19:17 | |
| move forward with it, how big of a deal is it? | 01:19:23 | |
| He said all you guys have to do is send me a letter in writing of what you want to do and it's called a letter of permission LLP. | 01:19:30 | |
| And he said it's very simple because you guys aren't changing the footprint. | 01:19:37 | |
| Of the docks. | 01:19:42 | |
| It's literally you just want to better utilize the space you have so. | 01:19:44 | |
| That literally took me about 5 or 10 minutes. | 01:19:48 | |
| And I think it's sad, I heard. | 01:19:52 | |
| That there was leadership in our city that didn't even know. | 01:19:55 | |
| Whether or not we could do that. | 01:19:59 | |
| That's one of the biggest assets we own people. | 01:20:01 | |
| Don't know. | 01:20:05 | |
| That we own it. | 01:20:07 | |
| We manage it. | 01:20:08 | |
| We make the rules, I will tell you. So right after that dock was built, that kayak launch got destroyed. You got, do you all | 01:20:09 | |
| remember that We had a very small storm and it destroyed the dock. It's going to happen again. | 01:20:15 | |
| That little kayak launch is going to be among pit. | 01:20:22 | |
| All it's going to take is another. | 01:20:25 | |
| Brush of. | 01:20:27 | |
| And it's going to be gone again. | 01:20:29 | |
| So, umm. | 01:20:31 | |
| That's thank you. | 01:20:32 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 01:20:34 | |
| I would like to say. | 01:20:37 | |
| Steve Birch again. | 01:20:41 | |
| Could you tell me how much revenue? | 01:20:42 | |
| The swing set. | 01:20:44 | |
| And the Merry Go rounds bring in the Saint Mary's. | 01:20:46 | |
| Free public parks and stuff. | 01:20:49 | |
| I mean, does everything have to be about money? | 01:20:51 | |
| Are there no services that can be provided for free? | 01:20:54 | |
| I mean. | 01:20:57 | |
| If this gentleman thinks that people should go to the Marina, maybe he should take his big boat to the Marina. | 01:20:58 | |
| You know what I'm saying? And pay for that. | 01:21:03 | |
| Not everybody can afford that, especially somebody like me that's on Social Security. | 01:21:05 | |
| I mean, I don't even get $1000 a month. | 01:21:09 | |
| You know, so it makes it a little harder on the people like us. | 01:21:12 | |
| You know other people, you know some of these people that come in from out of town. | 01:21:15 | |
| Like the billionaire. | 01:21:18 | |
| Hey, you know, $100 a night is nothing to these people. | 01:21:20 | |
| $5 a day would kill me. | 01:21:24 | |
| So I think you ought to just. | 01:21:27 | |
| Think about. Not everything has to be about. | 01:21:29 | |
| Prophet now does the. | 01:21:31 | |
| Does the Marina have to make a profit? Does everything that the city owns? | 01:21:33 | |
| Make a profit, Should it make a profit or y'all business people? | 01:21:38 | |
| Or you leaders? | 01:21:42 | |
| And providing services for people. | 01:21:43 | |
| So let's not get tied up with all this money issue, I mean. | 01:21:46 | |
| Come on, have a little. | 01:21:49 | |
| Heart, you know, this is, that's why we came to this town. It was like Mayberry. | 01:21:51 | |
| You know, hell, if we want to be in Mount Pilate, we'd leave. | 01:21:56 | |
| Now let's keep it like may bear, let's keep it friendly and. | 01:21:59 | |
| And when people have complaints and stuff, they should come to people like us instead of. | 01:22:02 | |
| You know, going behind somebody's back and going to the city and complaining and. | 01:22:06 | |
| You know, threatening people. You know things should be. | 01:22:10 | |
| Held a little more. | 01:22:12 | |
| You know, neighborly. | 01:22:14 | |
| So if there's, you know. | 01:22:16 | |
| Again. | 01:22:19 | |
| Do we have to make a profit on everything, Mayor? | 01:22:20 | |
| Well, you obviously haven't been watching many meetings because I've been having that same argument about the other things. There | 01:22:24 | |
| are people in the audience that think we should. So I just want to say we all have different opinions, obviously. | 01:22:30 | |
| Rob Whitley again, just to remind us that. | 01:22:37 | |
| In my portion of it when I discussed the favorite dock. | 01:22:40 | |
| Is the West Dock. | 01:22:45 | |
| The other one is. | 01:22:47 | |
| Highly unused. | 01:22:48 | |
| It's not the favorite doc. | 01:22:50 | |
| So merely assigning. | 01:22:53 | |
| The time limits will do some natural attrition. | 01:22:55 | |
| And the people that he's worried about. | 01:22:58 | |
| Will be out of his way. | 01:23:01 | |
| And I'll be on the different. | 01:23:03 | |
| And will still be clustered up into a small group. | 01:23:04 | |
| And that does. | 01:23:07 | |
| Truly leave room for the physical. | 01:23:08 | |
| 14 to 26 foot. | 01:23:11 | |
| Fishing boats to be all around that. | 01:23:14 | |
| I mean, that's their favorite, they go there either way, but merely changing the. | 01:23:17 | |
| Time limit. | 01:23:22 | |
| Does not say who goes where. It's how long you do whatever you are, how long you going to be there. | 01:23:23 | |
| That's all it means. | 01:23:28 | |
| And natural. | 01:23:30 | |
| If somebody's got employment, they need the longer term if they're going fishing. | 01:23:32 | |
| Correct the signs from 50 minutes to 30, even an hour, whatever you want, but it would allow. | 01:23:37 | |
| More 15 to. | 01:23:43 | |
| Umm 15 to 30 foot boats like his. His is 32. He needs a lot of room. | 01:23:45 | |
| And in particular, he's asked. | 01:23:52 | |
| That we clear off. | 01:23:54 | |
| The part of the. | 01:23:55 | |
| Right hand dock that the West on so his boat could go. | 01:23:57 | |
| It's taken a couple of our guys down there to discuss that more than one time, so he wouldn't have room for his vote. | 01:24:02 | |
| And he's willing to push us all the way off of our for the solution where we take ourselves off. | 01:24:08 | |
| I'm gonna go over there and. | 01:24:14 | |
| And nobody will miss us. We'll be over there. | 01:24:15 | |
| Still spending our one to $2000 each in. | 01:24:18 | |
| City of Saint Mary's every month. | 01:24:21 | |
| And because we're not there, that if that's the only part that's free, that's the only part that's free. We still got to eat, | 01:24:24 | |
| spend money, everything else that happens in the city of Saint Mary's. | 01:24:28 | |
| So we are not nobody. We are we do spend money. | 01:24:34 | |
| Thank you. | 01:24:37 | |
| Larry White, 102 Suvies Court. | 01:24:48 | |
| I promise to be brief. | 01:24:50 | |
| OK, not like everybody. | 01:24:52 | |
| The last point I forgot to mention. | 01:24:55 | |
| Was everybody that lives. | 01:24:58 | |
| West of Spur 40. | 01:25:01 | |
| And north of 40. | 01:25:03 | |
| In Saint Mary's. | 01:25:06 | |
| Cannot drive a golf cart downtown. | 01:25:07 | |
| I will bring it up again. I brought it up before. | 01:25:12 | |
| You need to have a crock because I used to come downtown on our golf cart. | 01:25:15 | |
| And since. | 01:25:18 | |
| The law was changed. | 01:25:19 | |
| That we couldn't take it down to sell it. | 01:25:21 | |
| Right, So what I'd like to know is, is there a way? | 01:25:23 | |
| You get a crossing. | 01:25:27 | |
| And Doug, 'cause we used to come down Dulles Drive. | 01:25:28 | |
| Cross Spur 40. | 01:25:31 | |
| Go down Douglas drives and go downtown on our golf cart. | 01:25:33 | |
| It's not possible anymore. | 01:25:36 | |
| Because it's illegal. | 01:25:37 | |
| To cross Spur 40 on Douglas Drive. | 01:25:39 | |
| However. | 01:25:43 | |
| I've seen golf carts. | 01:25:44 | |
| Driving on the sidewalk. | 01:25:46 | |
| On a spur of 40. | 01:25:48 | |
| Coming down, down. | 01:25:50 | |
| Huh. I know it's a no no. | 01:25:54 | |
| But they still do it. | 01:25:55 | |
| And they don't care. | 01:25:57 | |
| I've also seen young kids. | 01:25:59 | |
| Driving golf carts. | 01:26:01 | |
| In my neighborhood. | 01:26:02 | |
| You're supposed to have 16 years old. | 01:26:04 | |
| Have a license or being. | 01:26:06 | |
| Supervised by. | 01:26:08 | |
| Licensed Adult. | 01:26:09 | |
| To operate a golf cart. | 01:26:11 | |
| So I'd like to know. | 01:26:12 | |
| If the city is going to try. | 01:26:14 | |
| To come up with a plan. | 01:26:16 | |
| For allowing golf. | 01:26:17 | |
| To get downtown from where I live. | 01:26:19 | |
| Yes. | 01:26:22 | |
| Yes, yes. All right. Thank you. | 01:26:24 | |
| I too will be brief on this one. Valerie Fouch, 310 W Bryant. | 01:26:34 | |
| I think I would like to address the. | 01:26:38 | |
| $300 billion. | 01:26:41 | |
| Elephant in the room? | 01:26:43 | |
| You know, we're sitting here and we're talking about we need to do this in the future and we've got to have this much more. | 01:26:46 | |
| We don't even know what our future is going to be right now. | 01:26:51 | |
| With the fact that we have Mr. Walter buying. | 01:26:54 | |
| Pretty much all of downtown. | 01:26:57 | |
| I hope he's going to be a good steward. | 01:27:00 | |
| I have asked the city manager. | 01:27:02 | |
| Does he have any buzz? Does he know what's going on? Can you throw me a bone? | 01:27:06 | |
| And he said absolutely not. | 01:27:10 | |
| As of when I spoke to Mr. Horton. | 01:27:12 | |
| About six weeks ago. | 01:27:15 | |
| He had not gotten heard any information back from Mr. Walter at that point, nor any of his associates. | 01:27:19 | |
| So we can sit here all night long and talk about what we're going to do. | 01:27:26 | |
| When, where and how and how much and what we're going to get. | 01:27:30 | |
| We really don't know what we're gonna get. | 01:27:33 | |
| I don't know how we can find out because he's a private businessman. | 01:27:36 | |
| Private businessman can do what he wants. He can buy what he wants as long as he follows the rules and ordinances. | 01:27:41 | |
| He can do it. | 01:27:46 | |
| But are we still going to be? | 01:27:48 | |
| The Saint Mary's that we all want to be. | 01:27:50 | |
| I don't know. | 01:27:53 | |
| I honestly do not know. I don't know anything about this gentleman. I've tried going down the rabbit hole. | 01:27:56 | |
| All I'm getting is this. | 01:28:00 | |
| Basic, you know, business investments and and he owns this, that and whatever. | 01:28:02 | |
| Is anyone in the city trying to figure out who this gentleman is? | 01:28:07 | |
| I hope so. | 01:28:12 | |
| And I think and, and I think as business owners, I think as stakeholders, I think as citizens that live here. | 01:28:14 | |
| I live 1 block from everything he's playing. | 01:28:20 | |
| I have no idea what he's going to do. Is he going to make it into a little St. Simons? | 01:28:23 | |
| I love Saint Simons. I spend a lot of time and money at Saint Simons. | 01:28:28 | |
| Do I want to live in Saint Simons downtown? No. | 01:28:32 | |
| I like my little corner across from the cemetery. It's all quiet over there. | 01:28:36 | |
| And that's the way I like to keep it. | 01:28:41 | |
| But if it becomes something that is not right now and it could be in 10 years. | 01:28:43 | |
| We're going to have a constant. | 01:28:48 | |
| This. | 01:28:50 | |
| All the way around with traffic and people. | 01:28:51 | |
| I don't like traffic and. | 01:28:54 | |
| I mean, let's face it, I'm getting older. I'm getting real impatient with people in general, but. | 01:28:56 | |
| Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know who in the city is reaching out and who in the city can give us a report. | 01:29:02 | |
| Can they give us a report every day? | 01:29:09 | |
| Six weeks. 8 weeks. | 01:29:12 | |
| Can we even get our legal organ who's not even here tonight? | 01:29:14 | |
| To do a series. | 01:29:20 | |
| On Mr. Walter. | 01:29:23 | |
| To do a series on what he. | 01:29:25 | |
| I have heard I talked to a gentleman that lived in Colorado and he frequented Crested Butte. | 01:29:27 | |
| It's great town. | 01:29:32 | |
| But I don't know what the town was before it was great. | 01:29:34 | |
| I mean, I honestly, we, we need to figure this out because right now we're just kind of throwing stuff at a wall and see what | 01:29:37 | |
| sticks. | 01:29:40 | |
| Until we get to the next election or the next budget. | 01:29:44 | |
| We've got to have blonde, not blinders, but we've got to be focused. We have to be focused. We can't keep getting distracted by | 01:29:47 | |
| the shiny objects. | 01:29:51 | |
| Frankly, you know my discernment is telling me. | 01:29:56 | |
| I'm not. I don't know if I'm gonna like what's coming and. | 01:30:00 | |
| And and you know, we're talking about we have one fuel pump. | 01:30:03 | |
| In town. | 01:30:07 | |
| When Mr. Walters coming in and he's built this huge Marina. | 01:30:08 | |
| It's going to have some great boats coming in. | 01:30:12 | |
| But he. | 01:30:14 | |
| Doesn't have access to that fuel pump. | 01:30:15 | |
| So what's going to happen? Is he going to buy that fuel pump? Is he going to buy? | 01:30:18 | |
| Honestly, I don't know. | 01:30:23 | |
| And but I think as a citizen. | 01:30:24 | |
| Citizens, we deserve to kind of get a heads up. | 01:30:27 | |
| Maybe again, the legal organ can kind of lay the foundation and start having maybe a series of. | 01:30:33 | |
| Interviews. | 01:30:40 | |
| I don't know. | 01:30:41 | |
| I'm just a citizen. I'm a very concerned citizen right now because when I. | 01:30:42 | |
| Here full time. Eight years ago it was. | 01:30:46 | |
| Mayberry and now I don't know what it's going to be. | 01:30:49 | |
| And you know, I had planned on retiring here forever. Well, if it becomes something that I actually left. | 01:30:53 | |
| After we before we retired, I don't know. | 01:30:59 | |
| So if we can get a little information that would be awesome. | 01:31:02 | |
| Thank you. | 01:31:06 | |
| I want another 15 minutes. | 01:31:11 | |
| You know, like you said, he's a private gentleman. He's done. | 01:31:14 | |
| His private transactions with other private individuals. | 01:31:18 | |
| The city has not been involved. | 01:31:21 | |
| These not, you know. | 01:31:24 | |
| Communicated to us at all and. | 01:31:26 | |
| You know we've. | 01:31:29 | |
| Speaking to his representatives and they have not told us anything about any kind of ideas or plans. | 01:31:30 | |
| That he has. | 01:31:36 | |
| You know so. | 01:31:37 | |
| We don't know anything more than what you know. | 01:31:38 | |
| All we know is that you know we have. | 01:31:40 | |
| Our planning department and the policies and the ordinances that we have in place to control. | 01:31:43 | |
| You know. | 01:31:49 | |
| As much as we can, you know. But. | 01:31:50 | |
| That's what we have, you know, and that's unfortunately but. | 01:31:52 | |
| That's all we have and. | 01:31:54 | |
| If the newspaper can get something out of it. | 01:31:55 | |
| Great, you know. | 01:31:58 | |
| And Dallas we loved in that. | 01:32:00 | |
| To the best that. | 01:32:02 | |
| I can get out of somebody that works for the organization. | 01:32:04 | |
| You know, it's not a plan by any means. | 01:32:08 | |
| But you know, for the short term plan. | 01:32:10 | |
| Is just he does want the buildings and businesses that they to remain open. | 01:32:13 | |
| You know. | 01:32:18 | |
| He does want it to have the local flair, so if the. | 01:32:18 | |
| Business that is still there, he's leasing it back to him for. | 01:32:21 | |
| Reasonable. | 01:32:24 | |
| Rent, I guess you'd say. | 01:32:26 | |
| As he leases them back. | 01:32:28 | |
| And if the business owner you know if their existing lease expires. | 01:32:29 | |
| You know, it is what's been told to me that he does desire to keep the businesses open. If it's with the current ownership, great. | 01:32:33 | |
| If a local person comes to if a building comes open or vacant, that he would. | 01:32:39 | |
| Entertain that. | 01:32:43 | |
| And wants it to have local flair. | 01:32:44 | |
| And that's a short term plan. I don't know what the long term plan is. | 01:32:47 | |
| If for some reason it becomes vacant. | 01:32:50 | |
| And nobody steps up. | 01:32:53 | |
| Based off his you know. | 01:32:55 | |
| Investments in business partners he has. | 01:32:56 | |
| Nationally, he does have. | 01:32:59 | |
| People in the restaurant business that he could bring in, he does have people in retail that he could bring in if needed. | 01:33:01 | |
| But uh. | 01:33:06 | |
| It seems based off the information that I've been given from one of them. | 01:33:07 | |
| Employees that. | 01:33:11 | |
| He does want it to stay like it is for the for the now. | 01:33:12 | |
| And that's the best I can give you that have conversations that I've had. | 01:33:15 | |
| And I would point out as well that he did rebuild the Marina in the exact same footprint that. | 01:33:20 | |
| Was previously there. | 01:33:26 | |
| So. | 01:33:27 | |
| Well, he could have applied. Good evening. My name is Jeff Berg. | 01:33:32 | |
| Citizen, Saint Mary's and Live with 11. | 01:33:36 | |
| 15 Colerain Rd. Saint Mary's. | 01:33:38 | |
| A couple things I'd like to say. | 01:33:41 | |
| As a citizen. | 01:33:43 | |
| The kayak dock. | 01:33:46 | |
| I used to use it a whole lot. | 01:33:49 | |
| I don't use it as much now. | 01:33:52 | |
| And it's, it's, it's an awesome thing down there. | 01:33:53 | |
| Along with the standard paddle board. | 01:33:57 | |
| Launch. That's right next to that. | 01:33:59 | |
| Now as far as the. | 01:34:01 | |
| Thing you just been there for two years? | 01:34:03 | |
| I rescued that thing. | 01:34:06 | |
| It was from that. | 01:34:08 | |
| Sailboat that sunk out there in the river. | 01:34:09 | |
| It was left there, left there, left there. | 01:34:12 | |
| I bailed it out every time it got. | 01:34:14 | |
| Almost long if I let that thing sink. | 01:34:17 | |
| Nobody would even have known about it. | 01:34:20 | |
| You know, except maybe general. | 01:34:22 | |
| And so I I bailed that thing out. | 01:34:24 | |
| Multiple times. | 01:34:26 | |
| Before I. | 01:34:28 | |
| Took ownership of it. | 01:34:28 | |
| OK. | 01:34:30 | |
| So we don't take a lot of spots. I mean, we take up to one side. | 01:34:31 | |
| Best remarks wouldn't even think about putting his boat on that side of the. | 01:34:35 | |
| Of the dark. | 01:34:38 | |
| Because the mud. | 01:34:39 | |
| Of shallowness. All that stuff you wouldn't even think about. | 01:34:41 | |
| But he brings up the issues of all the. | 01:34:44 | |
| OK, now as far as. | 01:34:47 | |
| Safety. | 01:34:49 | |
| Yes, rings. | 01:34:51 | |
| Absolutely life. | 01:34:53 | |
| Some little kid falls in over there. | 01:34:55 | |
| He's gone. | 01:34:57 | |
| Him or whatever, they're gone. One way or the other, they're gone. They're going under the die. | 01:34:58 | |
| They're gonna die. | 01:35:02 | |
| So many catches, you know, catches both of them. | 01:35:04 | |
| And if there's no life brings? | 01:35:06 | |
| They're not. They're not going to be saved unless somebody's. | 01:35:08 | |
| Brave enough or able to? | 01:35:11 | |
| Go and get them. | 01:35:13 | |
| OK, personally. | 01:35:15 | |
| Our old writer. | 01:35:18 | |
| Helen and her husband like Ty Yakin. | 01:35:19 | |
| They left. | 01:35:22 | |
| The dock behind knuckleheads. | 01:35:23 | |
| They went out. | 01:35:26 | |
| They got about. | 01:35:28 | |
| 10 feet out. | 01:35:30 | |
| In the dock, they flipped over. It was cold. It was like. | 01:35:31 | |
| Early in the year it was like February or something, I don't remember exactly what, but it was cold. | 01:35:35 | |
| What leader was the gentleman? | 01:35:40 | |
| At the dock from Fernandina that had his boat. | 01:35:43 | |
| I went down to him. He was there ready to help. | 01:35:47 | |
| To help help them out. | 01:35:50 | |
| I ran down to help him to help them get out. | 01:35:51 | |
| They floated. | 01:35:54 | |
| All the way down. | 01:35:56 | |
| Past the new Marina that was built over the billionaires. | 01:35:57 | |
| Marina, OK. | 01:36:02 | |
| The husband. | 01:36:04 | |
| Was almost unconscious from being cold. | 01:36:05 | |
| But if? | 01:36:08 | |
| I watched him flip over in the kayak as close as they were. | 01:36:09 | |
| There was nothing to throat me. | 01:36:13 | |
| To help them out. | 01:36:15 | |
| You know, and that and her husband. | 01:36:16 | |
| He could have died. | 01:36:18 | |
| I mean, he almost passed out. | 01:36:19 | |
| And he was act close. | 01:36:21 | |
| You know, umm. | 01:36:22 | |
| So as far as the safety part, absolutely speed safety rings. | 01:36:23 | |
| Down there. | 01:36:27 | |
| And as far as the rub rails on the outside. | 01:36:29 | |
| The voters keep crashing into them. | 01:36:32 | |
| The power boaters, not the dinghies. | 01:36:33 | |
| The power builders crashed into these damn things and I'm sorry and. | 01:36:36 | |
| Destroying all the rub rails over there. | 01:36:41 | |
| You know. | 01:36:43 | |
| They need to learn how to drive their bones. | 01:36:45 | |
| Mr. Myers wouldn't be caught dead. | 01:36:48 | |
| Talking his boat where the dinghies parked right now, that's such a problem for him. | 01:36:50 | |
| But he wouldn't be caught there parking his boat. | 01:36:55 | |
| And that side of that. | 01:36:58 | |
| Back, especially at a low tide. | 01:37:00 | |
| He's both 30. | 01:37:02 | |
| You know it's. | 01:37:03 | |
| It's crazy, some of this stuff. | 01:37:05 | |
| But that's what I have to say and that's mostly on the safety side and. | 01:37:06 | |
| Just a little insight on the. | 01:37:10 | |
| Through digging dock and the safety part of it. | 01:37:13 | |
| Thank you. Thank. | 01:37:16 | |
| Hello. | 01:37:24 | |
| Good evening. My name is Stephen Birch, 3 to 5 Jordan St. St. Mary's. | 01:37:30 | |
| I also live on a boat. | 01:37:35 | |
| And I was the one that was attacked on the dock. | 01:37:37 | |
| On June 13th. | 01:37:39 | |
| And I'm still recovering from the jaw surgery so I can't quite talk right. | 01:37:41 | |
| But I just want to say that when I was attacked. | 01:37:45 | |
| The man that attacked me, I didn't recognize him. I still to this day have no clue who he was. | 01:37:48 | |
| Multiple witnesses saw the attack. | 01:37:53 | |
| Multiple witnesses saw him leave. | 01:37:55 | |
| Nobody recognized me. | 01:37:57 | |
| Was probably from out of town. | 01:37:59 | |
| The problem is. | 01:38:01 | |
| There were no cameras. | 01:38:02 | |
| That saw him come. | 01:38:04 | |
| To the park. | 01:38:05 | |
| Or leave the part. | 01:38:06 | |
| If there were. | 01:38:08 | |
| Working cameras. | 01:38:10 | |
| Someone would have been able to. | 01:38:11 | |
| Get a description of him. | 01:38:14 | |
| And find out who he was. | 01:38:16 | |
| As of now, I've been told by the. | 01:38:18 | |
| City of Saint Mary's Police Department. | 01:38:20 | |
| Who did a spectacular job? | 01:38:22 | |
| Investigating the case. | 01:38:25 | |
| That they're on a standstill. | 01:38:26 | |
| And the case has been marked as inactive. | 01:38:28 | |
| So that's very frustrating to me because. | 01:38:31 | |
| You know I am the victim of a. | 01:38:34 | |
| Brutal assault. I still have no idea who the guy was, why he did it or anything. And he's running free. | 01:38:36 | |
| But I just wanna. | 01:38:42 | |
| Suggest maybe better cameras would be good for the heart. | 01:38:43 | |
| For safety purposes. | 01:38:46 | |
| And I just want to say as a boater. | 01:38:49 | |
| We try to get along with everybody. We. | 01:38:52 | |
| You know, we're trying to stay out of people's way, double tie the dinghies when we need to. | 01:38:53 | |
| Especially like on events like Thanksgiving. | 01:38:57 | |
| You might have them triple time have 20 dinghies on one side. | 01:39:00 | |
| So we all try to get along. | 01:39:03 | |
| And that's just all I want to say. | 01:39:06 | |
| Thank you. | 01:39:08 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 01:39:09 | |
| Jeff Myers 306 W weed I've got one other thing has nothing to do with the docs that I wanted to. | 01:39:14 | |
| Bring up with City Council and. | 01:39:20 | |
| City leadership. | 01:39:23 | |
| This past winter I noticed. | 01:39:25 | |
| On several occasions over several weeks in the winter time. | 01:39:28 | |
| People camping. | 01:39:33 | |
| In trucks and campers. | 01:39:36 | |
| On Saint Mary's Road, like near the waterfront. | 01:39:38 | |
| Over by the parking that's really close to the gateway property. | 01:39:42 | |
| And the reason that I noticed them is. | 01:39:47 | |
| They were bold enough to be setting up like camping kitchens. | 01:39:49 | |
| In gorillas and oil pots. | 01:39:54 | |
| Dish cleaning supplies and a parking spot next to. | 01:39:59 | |
| Where they were. | 01:40:03 | |
| Camping. | 01:40:05 | |
| And so I called the chief of police about it. | 01:40:06 | |
| And he said there's absolutely nothing I can do about that. | 01:40:10 | |
| There is nothing illegal as our laws are written in Saint Mary's about camping on our public streets. | 01:40:15 | |
| So you know as a. | 01:40:23 | |
| Citizen that lives downtown. | 01:40:26 | |
| I don't want to be looking at people camping on the streets that we're walking on and. | 01:40:28 | |
| And riding our golf carts on, it's just not, you wouldn't want that in a traditional suburban neighborhood and just because we're | 01:40:33 | |
| a very, very small little urban community. | 01:40:38 | |
| We don't need that either. | 01:40:44 | |
| I actually think I did find something in the ordinance and and talk with. | 01:40:46 | |
| She got away about this several months ago so. | 01:40:50 | |
| I haven't noticed it. | 01:40:54 | |
| Recently. | 01:40:55 | |
| Yeah, I haven't either. Hopefully. | 01:40:55 | |
| You know what I found gave him enough. | 01:40:57 | |
| Teeth to do something about it. So OK, good. Thank you. | 01:41:00 | |
| I'm going to make this short like Larry. One more thing. Mark Bouts, 310 W Bryant St. | 01:41:12 | |
| I referenced a contract between Rainier and Saint Mary's from 2022. | 01:41:18 | |
| And the 30 to $60 million bonds were predicated. | 01:41:22 | |
| On retail and housing in that particular area out of the exit 1. | 01:41:27 | |
| The golf course. | 01:41:32 | |
| Is now in construction. That wasn't considered in that contract. | 01:41:34 | |
| And. | 01:41:38 | |
| I don't know how many acres a golf course takes, 23400, something like that. | 01:41:39 | |
| But what I wanted to ask was. | 01:41:43 | |
| Has the infrastructure that was planned. | 01:41:46 | |
| At that time. | 01:41:49 | |
| Needing the 30 to $60 million financing. | 01:41:50 | |
| Has that been revisited to reflect the change in the use of the land from? | 01:41:53 | |
| Housing and retail into a golf course. | 01:41:57 | |
| In my mind, we don't need that much infrastructure, so. | 01:42:02 | |
| Probably we should be. | 01:42:04 | |
| Considering. | 01:42:06 | |
| Revising that $60 million bond issue is coming up. | 01:42:08 | |
| Well, the infrastructure is not. | 01:42:11 | |
| On their property. | 01:42:13 | |
| Yeah, Susan Lines leading to that, it's the Entrance Rd. those kinds of things. The Fire Station Rd. | 01:42:15 | |
| The water treatment plants not. | 01:42:20 | |
| On their property. | 01:42:22 | |
| Per se. | 01:42:24 | |
| And of course, by having the golf course, it increases the. | 01:42:25 | |
| Property values of the homes that are there, I believe they're starting in the 600's. | 01:42:29 | |
| Is what you know. | 01:42:33 | |
| That what I've heard. | 01:42:34 | |
| You know, and so. | 01:42:36 | |
| In the property in the golf course itself does have a property value. | 01:42:38 | |
| I think the estimate it was $13 million or something in that range, but I don't know where it's at now with. | 01:42:42 | |
| That was an original paperwork. | 01:42:48 | |
| You know that. | 01:42:50 | |
| But yes, I mean. | 01:42:51 | |
| Yeah, well, for storylines and things like that, if you've got a 200 acre golf course. | 01:42:54 | |
| And you've got, let's say. | 01:42:59 | |
| 4 houses per acre. | 01:43:01 | |
| There's 800 housing units that don't need the sewer. | 01:43:04 | |
| OK. So you can, you can downsize your infrastructure a little bit because you're not using so many. | 01:43:07 | |
| Our engineers have reduced the estimated cost from I believe or the original 60 million got it down into the 40 million. | 01:43:12 | |
| Dollar range. | 01:43:21 | |
| Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. | 01:43:22 | |
| Stephen Birch again, 305 Burton Street. | 01:43:34 | |
| Umm, Mr. Myers brought up the issue of campers. | 01:43:37 | |
| Parking downtown. | 01:43:39 | |
| These are people that are just traveling through. Some of them are visiting the Cumberland. | 01:43:41 | |
| National Parking. | 01:43:45 | |
| Or visiting our city. | 01:43:46 | |
| And, umm. | 01:43:48 | |
| They stay overnight and they leave. They don't bother anybody. | 01:43:49 | |
| There's nothing illegal about it, there's nothing intrusive about it. | 01:43:53 | |
| And quite frankly, I like seeing them. It's umm. | 01:43:56 | |
| Just shows that people. | 01:43:59 | |
| Found our town worthy of a visit. | 01:44:00 | |
| And I would say if Mr. Myers doesn't like looking at them, we'll. | 01:44:03 | |
| Don't look at them. | 01:44:06 | |
| Thank you. | 01:44:07 | |
| They bring money to. | 01:44:11 | |
| And maybe too short all the way around. | 01:44:23 | |
| My name is Yvonne Whitley. | 01:44:25 | |
| And we have a mailbox in Kingsland 1601 Highway 40 E. | 01:44:26 | |
| We do live on our boat. | 01:44:31 | |
| Out here we chose this lifestyle a few years back. | 01:44:33 | |
| Sold the house, got rid of all the stuff. | 01:44:35 | |
| And decided this was how we were going to travel. | 01:44:38 | |
| And live the rest of our lives. | 01:44:40 | |
| So. | 01:44:42 | |
| When we came to Saint Mary's. | 01:44:43 | |
| It was. | 01:44:46 | |
| Mayberry. | 01:44:47 | |
| It was so cute. Everybody was so nice. | 01:44:47 | |
| We say, yeah, well. | 01:44:50 | |
| We'll call this home. | 01:44:51 | |
| So as we travel. | 01:44:53 | |
| We admit. | 01:44:54 | |
| Girls of people. | 01:44:56 | |
| Canada. | 01:44:57 | |
| Everywhere. | 01:44:58 | |
| And anytime that they've asked about where we stay, we tell them. | 01:45:00 | |
| And we've had. | 01:45:04 | |
| Numerous people come into this town. | 01:45:05 | |
| Because of just meeting them on the usual. | 01:45:07 | |
| Sailing. | 01:45:11 | |
| Because you go up and down the coast and meet each other over and over again. | 01:45:12 | |
| And one thing I was thinking about the other day. | 01:45:17 | |
| Is. | 01:45:20 | |
| And this could come in good for Saint Mary's if we could plan to it. | 01:45:22 | |
| Most of the boats. | 01:45:27 | |
| Because of insurance. | 01:45:28 | |
| Cannot be. | 01:45:30 | |
| Hello, Florida. | 01:45:31 | |
| Before November 1st. | 01:45:32 | |
| And they have to be out of Florida or anything, so. | 01:45:35 | |
| They have to be back up. | 01:45:37 | |
| Before. | 01:45:39 | |
| June 1st to go back home. | 01:45:40 | |
| Because of hurricane season. | 01:45:42 | |
| At that time. | 01:45:44 | |
| Numerous ones would come in here and we could make the. | 01:45:45 | |
| Money from them. | 01:45:48 | |
| If we because one of our friends came and stayed. | 01:45:49 | |
| She's going to stay a couple days. She stayed two weeks. | 01:45:52 | |
| You know, and it's going into town, it's. | 01:45:54 | |
| Enjoying. | 01:45:57 | |
| The hometown feel. | 01:45:59 | |
| So I was thinking we could do something. | 01:46:00 | |
| Somehow, you know, to encourage more than just the Thanksgiving thing. | 01:46:03 | |
| You know, work around the times prior to and after hurricane season, you know, do something like that. | 01:46:07 | |
| Umm would be of good use to Saint Mary. | 01:46:13 | |
| And in another thought was. | 01:46:16 | |
| Which especially, unfortunately, Mr. Myers is getting a beaten. Umm. | 01:46:20 | |
| It's like if. | 01:46:26 | |
| It came to our attention as the voters out there, you know, it was about. | 01:46:28 | |
| The use of water. | 01:46:32 | |
| In the waste of water and such like that. | 01:46:33 | |
| And so I was thinking, as other places, do you put a meter? | 01:46:36 | |
| On the water, and that's for the guys who come and wash their boats. | 01:46:39 | |
| And be there. | 01:46:42 | |
| A lot of They wash their boats, they wash their car, they do. | 01:46:44 | |
| You know, a big time. | 01:46:47 | |
| And they're not being charged anything to do so. | 01:46:49 | |
| Which is a nice courtesy from Saint Mary's, but you can't on the other side. | 01:46:52 | |
| Punishable people out there that are just trying to live their lives. | 01:46:56 | |
| You know not. | 01:47:00 | |
| Got to be millionaires and stuff, so we're all just trying to live our lives out there. | 01:47:01 | |
| So we shouldn't be cut off from. | 01:47:06 | |
| Something that that's so important to us all. | 01:47:08 | |
| Those folks who are going out fishing and coming from God knows where, not even Saint Mary's. | 01:47:11 | |
| Well, we do too. | 01:47:18 | |
| We have property tax on our boats. | 01:47:19 | |
| So we pay taxes. | 01:47:22 | |
| We pay county taxes. | 01:47:24 | |
| You don't get right now city taxes, which we wouldn't mind. | 01:47:25 | |
| But it is our. | 01:47:29 | |
| We pay taxes. | 01:47:30 | |
| You pay taxes on your vote, but you don't pay taxes in the city or. | 01:47:32 | |
| No, we pay taxes and account. | 01:47:36 | |
| Yeah. So we're not. | 01:47:38 | |
| Riff raff so much that's out there. | 01:47:40 | |
| You know by number means. | 01:47:42 | |
| Yeah. So we're not. | 01:47:47 | |
| Complaining or trying to be anything. | 01:47:49 | |
| You don't want to get rid of. | 01:47:52 | |
| You know, but it is. | 01:47:54 | |
| You know, it is important to us and. | 01:47:55 | |
| We all try to increase. | 01:47:57 | |
| Encouraged use of Saint Mary's. Encouraged visitations we've brought. | 01:47:59 | |
| Hurdles of boats. | 01:48:03 | |
| Because of. | 01:48:05 | |
| Meeting them and they'll come in and stay. | 01:48:06 | |
| Or use it as a place to be during a storm. | 01:48:08 | |
| You know if it's. | 01:48:11 | |
| Getting bad out on the ocean, they'll come in and. | 01:48:12 | |
| You know, hideout. | 01:48:14 | |
| And uh. | 01:48:15 | |
| We're showing at the town. | 01:48:17 | |
| And one thing we do is we meet, you know when. | 01:48:18 | |
| Meet them or remade them. | 01:48:20 | |
| We have a car here, so we. | 01:48:22 | |
| Take them to the grocery store and get fuel and things like that so we're aware of the things that they will come in here for. | 01:48:24 | |
| You know, and if we could just make it more accessible. | 01:48:31 | |
| There would be far more. | 01:48:34 | |
| And it would be more than just the Thanksgiving thing if we could work around these areas. | 01:48:35 | |
| Thank you. | 01:48:42 | |
| OK. | 01:48:50 | |
| All right, Thank you. We close this works this. | 01:48:52 | |
| Down quarter down. | 01:48:56 |