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Folks ready, all right. 00:00:09
Call to order our working session. 00:00:11
For the Saint Mary's Planning Commission month of August. 00:00:13
I'll turn things over to. 00:00:18
Jamie, great. Thank you very much. Commissioners and members of the public, also those watching. 00:00:19
At home. 00:00:26
This evening I'd like to use this time to discuss an opportunity. 00:00:28
That we have here in the city. 00:00:34
At least if you could please project my computer. 00:00:36
OK. 00:00:48
Excellent. 00:00:50
So what we're seeing here is an area which we're referring to now as. 00:00:51
The Commerce and Industrial Park Development district. 00:00:58
So. 00:01:03
Here's the opportunity. 00:01:04
The umm. 00:01:06
Kings Bay Naval Base in conjunction with the Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:01:09
A group. 00:01:14
Called the Military Housing Authority. 00:01:15
Has approached the city. 00:01:17
About. 00:01:19
Constructing. 00:01:20
Roughly 900. 00:01:22
Beds. Bedrooms. 00:01:24
For unaccompanied sailors. 00:01:26
On the north rung. 00:01:28
Of the former airport. 00:01:29
So that's the opportunity. 00:01:32
This overlay. 00:01:35
Is really an attempt at. 00:01:37
Preserving the underlying light industrial zoning. 00:01:41
Of our Commerce Park. 00:01:45
But also. 00:01:47
Allowing and facilitating. 00:01:48
That partnership? 00:01:50
For off base housing. 00:01:52
With. 00:01:54
The naval base. 00:01:55
So I'll let that sink in for a minute because I do feel as though. 00:01:57
The the vision for the Commerce Park. 00:02:02
Was one of. 00:02:05
Industry and manufacturing and commerce. 00:02:07
And when I first learned of this opportunity, I did feel that it was a bit of a pivot. 00:02:11
From that. 00:02:16
But I think the partnership. 00:02:18
With the naval base. 00:02:20
As well as and I'll zoom in so hopefully these lines become a little bit more. 00:02:22
Helpful for you. 00:02:28
So this on on the overlay area, this the shaded area that you're seeing. 00:02:30
Constitutes the overlay district that we're proposing, and I'll get into that. 00:02:36
A little bit more. 00:02:41
But zooming in on the north rung. 00:02:42
Of the former airport. 00:02:45
This parcel that's identified as Parcel 12. 00:02:47
That's the area in which the Military Housing Authority is thinking about this proposal. 00:02:51
So let's. 00:02:59
Let's talk through some of the. 00:02:59
Reasoning behind. 00:03:03
This move. 00:03:05
When the city was first approached. 00:03:06
With with this proposal. 00:03:09
The first thought was. 00:03:12
To rezone to. 00:03:14
R3, which is multifamily residential. It's a. 00:03:16
All throughout the city, that's how we get condominium development. 00:03:20
And multifamily development. 00:03:24
And staff and I were considering this and. 00:03:26
Talking with the Navy and talking with the military Housing Authority and with our mayor and. 00:03:29
Other department heads. 00:03:35
The thinking was that. 00:03:36
To introduce that. 00:03:38
Type of zoning. 00:03:39
Deteriorate. 00:03:44
The kind of underlying. 00:03:45
Thinking or approach of the overall commerce. 00:03:49
So what we wanted to do here was. 00:03:52
Facilitate the creation of this off base housing in partnership with the Naval Base. 00:03:54
But also maintain. 00:04:00
The underlying light industrial zoning. 00:04:02
And why is that important? 00:04:05
That's important both to. 00:04:08
Satisfy the vision of the Commerce Park. 00:04:10
And it is also important for. 00:04:13
The areas that we have included in the. 00:04:16
Overlay which are not part of the. 00:04:18
Commerce Park, but all the properties along Industrial Drive. 00:04:21
So if you've ever taken a drive. 00:04:25
Along Industrial Drive. 00:04:27
You'll know that there's all sorts of manufacturing, industrial storage operations and processes happening there. 00:04:29
There are also a few. 00:04:37
Things that don't necessarily comply with our. 00:04:39
Like industrial zoning or general industrial zoning? 00:04:43
And this overlay is an attempt. 00:04:47
To take the light industrial zoning. 00:04:49
And overlay as the term. 00:04:52
Conveys additional uses. 00:04:55
OK, one of those additional uses. 00:04:58
As you can see in the draft. 00:05:01
That we have provided. 00:05:03
And you're really getting to see kind of how the sausage is made in this draft. 00:05:06
If you will, because there's even areas here where it was in one section and we moved it to another section and. 00:05:10
You know so but one of the permitted uses. 00:05:16
Is. 00:05:19
Dormitory style housing or military housing in conjunction with. 00:05:21
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:05:26
OK, so. 00:05:28
What we're doing here is we're attempting to. 00:05:30
Maintain that underlying light industrial zoning. 00:05:34
And add uses to it. 00:05:38
Which will not only facilitate this off face housing proposal. 00:05:40
But will also facilitate. 00:05:44
The Pigmental Studios project. 00:05:46
And offer a few other uses. 00:05:48
To the properties along. 00:05:52
Industrial Drive. 00:05:54
The last thing I'll say before we open up for discussion here. 00:05:56
Is that? 00:06:00
Many of you, if you have ever driven. 00:06:02
Along Point Peter Rd. 00:06:05
And taking it until it's terminus. 00:06:07
Know that that is the. 00:06:09
Back gate or South gate? 00:06:12
Of the naval base. 00:06:15
When these discussions started taking place. 00:06:16
That was a stated goal. 00:06:20
Of this. 00:06:22
Off base housing creation. 00:06:23
Is that? 00:06:26
The rear gate, South gate, however you want to talk about it. 00:06:26
Would eventually. 00:06:31
OK, so. 00:06:34
From a. 00:06:35
Planning. Uh uh. 00:06:36
And frankly, economic development perspective. 00:06:38
This is a tremendous opportunity for the city. 00:06:42
To eventually achieve the the reopening of that gate. 00:06:46
But also. 00:06:51
To bring a great deal more traffic. 00:06:52
Meaning foot traffic to our Midtown corridor. There will also be associated traffic. But if we think about. 00:06:56
900 unaccompanied sailors and their. 00:07:04
Purchasing power right there next to. 00:07:07
Midtown, it's quite a nice. 00:07:09
I think synergy to help with some of our Midtown revitalization efforts. 00:07:12
With that I'm. 00:07:17
Kind of end. 00:07:18
But I do have a conceptual. 00:07:20
That I can show in the group. 00:07:24
To further. 00:07:27
Kind of help us understand. 00:07:28
Now. 00:07:30
I'll do a little bit more explaining of. 00:07:33
How this happened? 00:07:36
All right, so. 00:07:37
Well, my computer has given me a. 00:07:40
Once a break. 00:07:44
Great, so this one is showing you now. 00:07:50
So sort of we reoriented to show Parcel 12 in the center. 00:07:54
Of the Commerce Park. Again, this is the north rung of the airport. 00:08:00
And what you're seeing now is parcel? 00:08:04
Sorry, my computer is not cooperating. 00:08:09
You're seeing. 00:08:11
Proposed parcels 12A and 12. 00:08:12
This minor subdivision is before you. 00:08:17
In this evening's meeting. 00:08:22
So these are the. 00:08:24
Plots of land. 00:08:26
That have been. 00:08:28
Identified uh. 00:08:30
As being able to facilitate. 00:08:31
The creation of the off base housing. 00:08:34
As well as. 00:08:37
A small commercial pond. 00:08:39
That was another thing that we kind of ran into. 00:08:41
And, you know, feel free to stop me here because I feel like I'm throwing a lot of stuff out. 00:08:44
But umm. 00:08:49
In this concept, in this rendering, you see at the very northern. 00:08:50
Rung of the airport. 00:08:55
The future Parcel 12B if you should choose to approve it this evening. 00:08:58
Will be a commercial. 00:09:04
Location. 00:09:07
So the other part of this plan is that. 00:09:09
Builders drive. 00:09:12
Which, if any of you have driven on the new Brick Hill Rd. 00:09:13
Within the Commerce Park, which runs on the East West runway, there's a Rd. 00:09:17
Right up the center. 00:09:22
Of the northern runway, Former runway. 00:09:23
And that is. You can see it a bit here on this overlay. 00:09:27
That will become. 00:09:32
The roadway that goes up through the northern rung of the airport. 00:09:37
Goes out into the commercial pod. 00:09:42
And eventually enters out. 00:09:46
On to Point Peter Rd. 00:09:49
So this is the concept. 00:09:51
The. 00:09:56
Sort of concept map. 00:09:57
This is in no way a. 00:09:59
The way that this will ultimately look, this is just to offer. 00:10:02
You a vision of what those 900? 00:10:06
Beds may look like. 00:10:10
These will be dormitory style quads. 00:10:12
Which have two stories. 00:10:15
On each story is. 00:10:18
A shared living space. 00:10:20
With, you know, common areas for storage kitchen. 00:10:22
And hanging out. 00:10:26
And then 4 bedrooms and four bathrooms and they'll be. 00:10:27
A quad on the first floor. 00:10:31
And a quad on the second floor. 00:10:32
OK. Are we open the? 00:10:35
Yeah, questions. 00:10:37
Yeah. 00:10:40
I just before we get started and want to stress what a big deal opening that gate is because I was on the master plan when it was. 00:10:43
Developed and that was one of our goals was to try to get that gate open. 00:10:54
It's not just the 900. 00:10:59
Housed individuals there. 00:11:02
It's the entire base. Once they close that gate downtown dried up. 00:11:04
It was very active, the businesses were doing well, there was a lot going on. 00:11:09
They closed that gate. 00:11:14
Everyone started hurting. It really made a huge difference. So this really. 00:11:17
Is a big deal getting that gate open? 00:11:22
And it's worth any little sacrifice we might have to make to do that. 00:11:25
Thank you. 00:11:29
I agree with that. 00:11:30
Uh-huh. OK, now let me I. 00:11:31
A couple of questions and. 00:11:35
I don't know that they're directly related to each other. 00:11:37
One as it relates to. 00:11:40
The gate opening, I think it's a big deal too, but they've been talking about opening that gate for 15 years. 00:11:42
And I have no confidence that. 00:11:47
The city agreeing to Something's going to. 00:11:49
Influence their opinion about opening it. If they build something, they're likely to open. 00:11:51
But they've been talking about this for 15 years and I don't. 00:11:55
Even though I agree, it would be phenomenal. 00:11:58
If it happened, I don't really have a high level of confidence that it may one way or another. 00:12:00
Second question, which was originally my first question. 00:12:05
This this partial 12 are we? 00:12:08
I thought we were subdividing into two parcels and A and a, B or a 12 and a 12A. 00:12:12
Is there a delineation of where? 00:12:18
Where that is between the two parcels? Yep. Do you want to ask your third question then I'll answer all of them. Or you want me to 00:12:20
show you that? 00:12:24
You tested my memory now. 00:12:27
OK. The third question. 00:12:32
Which umm. 00:12:34
Originally my second question. 00:12:35
It might come to you if I just answer. 00:12:36
OK, well here's a. 00:12:39
My question. 00:12:40
Is, you know the. 00:12:42
Probably has 1000 acres of unutilized real estate. 00:12:45
Why? What's there? 00:12:50
Desire or motivation? 00:12:52
To establish off base housing. 00:12:54
I don't. It makes no sense to me. 00:12:57
But obviously within your discussions, I would have think they would have given you some rationale. They have, yes. So the 00:12:59
military Housing Authority and I hope. 00:13:03
One day they'll come. 00:13:07
You know, I don't know that they'll present to you because. 00:13:09
This uh. 00:13:12
Rezoning this overlay, which you will hear as an item at your September meeting. 00:13:13
This is just talking about it. 00:13:18
That will eventually. 00:13:21
This group. 00:13:23
Is a private entity. 00:13:25
That enters into an intergovernmental services agreement. 00:13:27
With the naval base. 00:13:31
And that allows them to. 00:13:33
Not have to follow certain federal. 00:13:36
Procurement, construction requirements. So the short answer is. 00:13:40
It saves money. 00:13:45
So building off base is not held to the same requirements which are very costly to build on base. 00:13:47
OK, so would the. 00:13:54
The the anticipated owner of the property would be a private sector developer and not the base. 00:13:57
It is that they are entering into an agreement. 00:14:04
With the base and if you. 00:14:07
Read the overlay this is getting. This is a very. 00:14:09
Nuanced part of the overlay, which we gave a lot of thought to. 00:14:13
The language is. 00:14:18
In conjunction with the Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay. 00:14:20
And we were very specific with that because. 00:14:24
I think it is not a good move to open ourselves to speculative. 00:14:28
Off base housing. 00:14:33
So what this overlay is doing is really only allowing it if it is in conjunction with. 00:14:35
You know, we stopped short of saying in partnership with, but in conjunction with. 00:14:42
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:14:46
11 last comment and I think I shut up for a while. 00:14:48
Umm, 900 beds. I'm just going to tell you that. 00:14:53
I don't think this is a. 00:14:57
Economic stimulus to downtown or midtown or anything else. The reason I'm saying that and I have. 00:15:00
I indirectly own apartments here. 00:15:07
And many of the Navy personnel who get base assisted housing their Bah. 00:15:10
As part of their compensation when they live off. 00:15:15
Live here. 00:15:19
You know, I'm saying at this time I would suspect. 00:15:20
Because they're already in our apartment communities. 00:15:23
Here in the market. 00:15:25
I would suspect that. 00:15:27
If the Navy's got an active investment in the success of 900 beds off site. 00:15:28
It would require those sailors to 1st. 00:15:33
Apply. 00:15:36
To the base. 00:15:37
Housing at this location. 00:15:38
Before going to the third party. 00:15:40
Private developer. 00:15:43
Department, community or such as that. So the net result is. 00:15:44
You're drawing out existing. 00:15:48
Occupancy from our multifamily communities that are here. 00:15:53
To put their own base. 00:15:57
And that's a. That's a negative effect on. 00:15:58
The multifamily apartment communities and developers are here. 00:16:01
Unless you anticipate. 00:16:07
900 new sailors coming in and living off site. 00:16:08
I don't have those details. I mean, my impression was that. 00:16:12
The existing. 00:16:16
On base housing. 00:16:18
Is in very poor condition. 00:16:19
And they want to quickly move. 00:16:22
To create. 00:16:23
This new. 00:16:24
Off base housing, but I don't know. 00:16:27
What you're saying? 00:16:29
I'm not sure and I understand the. 00:16:30
Careful wording, I thought. 00:16:34
That's right, my sort of. 00:16:36
Line of work. 00:16:38
But what does in conjunction actually mean? 00:16:39
I mean, how do you? 00:16:43
How do you determine oh this? 00:16:44
Yep. This one's in conjunction or that one's not. Yeah. 00:16:46
I think so so. 00:16:49
Beyond the the zoning tool to allow this to happen. 00:16:51
Is a negotiation between. 00:16:56
The military Housing Authority in the city of Saint. 00:16:58
And the Joint Development Authority. 00:17:01
For the acquisition of this land. 00:17:03
And within that is a contract. 00:17:05
And within that contract? 00:17:07
Would be this. 00:17:10
Sort of area where I would say. 00:17:11
In conjunction with there is an agreement. 00:17:13
There is something in place. 00:17:16
That brings in the naval base. 00:17:18
So I guess from my seat. 00:17:21
If a developer were to come to me. 00:17:24
And say. 00:17:26
You know, let's take a undeveloped area along. 00:17:27
Industrial Drive. 00:17:31
And want to. 00:17:32
Put spec. 00:17:34
Off base housing. 00:17:35
Without an agreement. 00:17:37
With the naval base. 00:17:39
It would not be approved. 00:17:41
And so are these units. 00:17:44
Restricted. 00:17:45
To Navy personnel, this will be a highly secured. 00:17:46
Facility This will not be a public. 00:17:51
Throughput. 00:17:53
And then? 00:17:54
How is it managed? 00:17:55
I mean when I think about. 00:17:57
900. 00:17:59
Beds in this particular. 00:18:00
Age group. 00:18:03
Think that as a community. 00:18:05
We'd be concerned about some on site. 00:18:07
Management. 00:18:09
I believe that's handled by the Military Housing Authority, but that's a great follow-up question for which would be a good line 00:18:11
to that it is actually in conjunction because of. 00:18:15
Some of these restrictions and then you mentioned about this. 00:18:20
Because at first I thought. 00:18:25
Oh, you're allowing this? 00:18:26
You're doing this as an overlay, but you're really. 00:18:29
Only doing it for this. 00:18:32
Part of the. 00:18:34
Section, but you mentioned that this also supports. 00:18:36
Pigmental. 00:18:40
Are we now opening up? 00:18:41
Dormitory, housing and other residential. 00:18:44
Development. 00:18:48
Throughout this entire. 00:18:49
When you say, well, we're trying to support. 00:18:51
The industrial park. 00:18:54
Concept. 00:18:56
Kind of doesn't sound like. 00:18:58
Part of what we've normally see with. 00:19:00
That kind of development and how does that make sense? 00:19:02
Spread over the entire area right so let's let's. 00:19:05
Break this down a little bit. 00:19:09
And I think the best way to do that is to walk through the uses section of the proposed district. 00:19:11
OK, so we have. 00:19:18
The majority of this land that is identified in the overlay district. 00:19:21
Is light industrial zoning. 00:19:27
What we're doing in the overlay is we're. 00:19:31
Including light industrial zoning. 00:19:34
We're bringing in. 00:19:37
General industrial zoning. So again. 00:19:39
We're kind of adding. 00:19:41
Right. Umm. 00:19:43
One of the things that was at the. 00:19:43
Foundation of this. 00:19:46
Move with the overlay. 00:19:48
Is really that? 00:19:50
Perhaps our development patterns? 00:19:51
To date have not really shown us. 00:19:54
The value. 00:19:57
Of industrial zoning. 00:19:58
But coming from the Northeast, coming from New York City. 00:20:00
Industrial zoning is. 00:20:03
Gold. You don't make more of it. 00:20:05
Right. Like once you've lost your industrial zoning, it's real hard. 00:20:07
Decided so. The intent here was to. 00:20:11
Maintain that integrity. So not only are we. 00:20:15
We're allowing, we're keeping the light industrial zoning. 00:20:20
We're adding the general industrial zoning district uses. 00:20:23
Letter C under permitted uses. 00:20:28
Military dormitory housing in conjunction with. 00:20:30
Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay. 00:20:34
And then? 00:20:36
Keeping that design standard of the R3 medium and high density so that the. 00:20:37
The Military Housing Authority has their assurance that. 00:20:42
That same density that is allowed in the R3 will be allowed here, but there's that extra. 00:20:45
Caveat requirement of in conjunction with the Naval base. 00:20:52
So the only. 00:20:56
The only housing is in conjunction with the military. 00:20:58
Let's keep going through it, OK? 00:21:01
So item D. 00:21:04
Commercial fitness and recreation facilities. 00:21:06
So another kind of. 00:21:09
Idea as to why we did this overlay is that. 00:21:10
There are currently some. 00:21:14
A commercial fitness activities along industrial drive which we don't. 00:21:17
Really facilitate that use as a permitted use in our light industrial zoning. 00:21:22
But one could. 00:21:28
We already see it, and one could envision. 00:21:29
Something similar to a CrossFit gym, which is, you know, probably. 00:21:32
Pretty popular amongst unaccompanied. 00:21:37
Sailors is that? 00:21:40
We would. 00:21:42
Have a place in the type of architecture or building style that would facilitate that so. 00:21:42
Kind of opening up that use. 00:21:48
We also got a request to create sort of a commercial. 00:21:51
Pickleball. 00:21:55
Tournament area. 00:21:56
Now we're bringing that into the into the mix as well. 00:21:58
The college and or university classroom or administrative offices. 00:22:03
This is. 00:22:08
Tangential, but in line with the Pigmental studio. 00:22:12
Development there is a strong. 00:22:16
Workforce training component there. 00:22:18
This is also has some. 00:22:21
Rooted in Saint Mary's and thinking about a potential satellite campus for. 00:22:24
A local college or a State College. 00:22:30
So we've. 00:22:33
Include that educational instructional tutoring facilities and offices so we're. 00:22:34
Kind of really bringing in all of these different instructional activities and opportunities with business and trade. 00:22:39
That would be item F. 00:22:48
G is movie media production studios, businesses that supply support services, equipment and resources. 00:22:51
H is recording and developing. 00:22:58
All right. 00:23:01
One could in this language interpret item F. 00:23:08
As offering educational instructional tutoring facilities, which could mean. 00:23:12
Dormitories. 00:23:17
If we want to. 00:23:20
Tweak that, let's think. 00:23:22
Let's think about the Pigmental Studio. 00:23:25
Planned development district which we have approved. 00:23:29
In that planned development district. 00:23:32
There is the. 00:23:34
The use of. 00:23:37
Artists Loft. 00:23:38
Studio spaces which would serve as short term rentals. 00:23:40
OK. 00:23:44
We should. 00:23:47
Think about that. But here's. 00:23:49
I feel like I'm adding all of these layers of complexity this evening, so I'm sorry but. 00:23:51
Just stick with me here. 00:23:55
She has her own zoning. 00:23:57
So there there is language in the draft that talks about how. 00:23:59
A planned development district that is silent. 00:24:05
On certain uses. 00:24:09
Would fall. 00:24:11
To the overlay district and then to the underlying zoning. So that's kind of. 00:24:12
How it works that the planned development district? 00:24:16
With the overlay. 00:24:19
And then the underlying zoning? 00:24:21
So, umm. 00:24:23
I feel confident that. 00:24:24
Her planned development district, which allows for. 00:24:26
Short term rentals. 00:24:30
We'll cover that. 00:24:31
Vision. 00:24:34
Whether or not we want to add additional? 00:24:36
Dormitory style housing for educational facilities. 00:24:40
That's a question. 00:24:45
Before, before the Commission. 00:24:47
Because it's, you know, you're talking about. 00:24:49
Preserving this industrial zone. 00:24:51
Concept, uh. 00:24:54
But it kind of sounds like you're adding on. 00:24:55
As many possible uses SO as folks are trying to find. 00:24:58
Ways to use the site and generate revenue. 00:25:05
That it's been left as open as possible. 00:25:10
Yeah, yeah. And let's just, we're, we're going in, we're going down that road. So let's just talk about the special permit uses 00:25:14
that we've proposed. 00:25:18
OK, umm. 00:25:22
So the uses that I've just listed in this draft. 00:25:22
Are permitted uses. That means that. 00:25:27
They wouldn't come before you if we choose to adopt the zoning and council approves it. 00:25:30
They would not come before the Planning Commission. 00:25:35
However. 00:25:38
There are 4 special permit uses. 00:25:39
And the first two. 00:25:43
Came from the most recent update which we received from Pigmental Studios. 00:25:46
In order to facilitate. 00:25:50
The the the allowance of. 00:25:53
Data centers or data processing centers? 00:25:56
As well as this idea of energy generation. 00:26:00
Or a utility. 00:26:03
Special permit uses have standard criteria. 00:26:08
Would come before you as a board. 00:26:11
You would be able to weigh those criteria. 00:26:14
And render a decision. 00:26:17
Dina and I. 00:26:19
Have talked about this. 00:26:21
Planning practice. 00:26:24
We believe it is better. 00:26:26
To state to explicitly state a, use. 00:26:28
And to have an area. 00:26:32
Where you allow that, use. 00:26:34
Rather than be caught in a scenario. 00:26:37
Where your zoning text is silent on the use. 00:26:39
And you've got. 00:26:43
Kind of. 00:26:44
An interpretation as to how that use could. 00:26:46
Or could not be allowed. 00:26:49
So in this move. 00:26:50
We are stating it as a as a special permit use. 00:26:52
And requiring that application process. 00:26:56
Wiley, go ahead. I'm sorry. Hi, going back to Pig Mill. 00:26:59
Yes, Studios. Mm-hmm. 00:27:03
That part. 00:27:05
Is not on the airport, That's right. 00:27:08
The Swain property and they have villas. 00:27:10
And I'm not sure which property. 00:27:13
I told it could be on. 00:27:16
The property that wasn't in the airport. 00:27:17
I think it's. 00:27:21
Perhaps on this property which is not in the Commerce Park and a portion of this property which is. 00:27:22
So that's that's and you're also, you know, we want to add another layer here. 00:27:29
The Commerce. 00:27:35
When we formed. 00:27:36
Has its own. 00:27:38
Restrictive covenants. 00:27:40
That ride on the deed. 00:27:41
The deeds. 00:27:43
Of all of those properties within the Commerce Park. 00:27:44
One thing that is not permitted. 00:27:48
In the restrictive covenants. 00:27:50
Is housing of any type? 00:27:51
So we're going to have to if we should choose to go down this road. 00:27:54
We're going to have to amend the restricted coven. 00:27:57
So a lot of layers to this one, a lot of. 00:28:01
Thought and ideas and I think. 00:28:04
You know, uh. 00:28:06
Less you're right. 00:28:07
It's this is a this is a facilitation tool. 00:28:08
What we have written is a facilitation tool. 00:28:11
And I guess the reason I ask that. 00:28:14
Question and we ponder about. 00:28:16
This on other properties is this idea that. 00:28:18
When you then widen. 00:28:22
Of the eligible uses, it's not just for. 00:28:26
Who's in front of you now? 00:28:29
Talking about. 00:28:31
Something it it's. 00:28:33
Then you know subsequent folks that come along. 00:28:35
And I guess I'm concerned. 00:28:38
About that, I'm more comfortable with. 00:28:40
Some of these being as a special. 00:28:43
Permit. 00:28:45
On that, because that allows some ability to say. 00:28:46
Yes or no on these sorts of things. 00:28:50
I mean, how is the utility? 00:28:55
Generation fit with and. 00:28:58
That would make you think that this was like the. 00:29:01
You know, an endless. 00:29:03
Site at the point you began. 00:29:05
Taking up. 00:29:08
You know, part of this for dormitory housing and part of it for. 00:29:10
Utility generation and. 00:29:13
Do you have much left? 00:29:16
To actually, I would assume the. 00:29:17
Goal here is job creation. 00:29:20
Is why you would have a Commerce park. 00:29:23
Yes, and a diversity of our tax base. 00:29:27
Yes. 00:29:29
I'm going back to the core here for a minute. 00:29:33
Is it? 00:29:37
I'm having a hard time getting arms around. 00:29:38
800. 00:29:41
Basically single guys. 00:29:42
They're here on a temporary basis. 00:29:44
909 hundred. I'm sorry. 00:29:46
Well, there are 100 women, 800. 00:29:49
What could possibly go wrong? 00:29:53
With 900 single guys on a Friday night or Saturday night. 00:29:55
Loose in the city of Saint Mary's. 00:29:58
How many do we need to rebuild the tattoo parlors? 00:30:00
We need some more used car lots. 00:30:04
Obviously need some more bars. 00:30:06
Is this what we want with? 00:30:08
Aren't they already here? Yes, they're already here. 00:30:10
Well, they're too Well, they're not big enough. 00:30:14
Well, but let me just tell you that. 00:30:16
Fortunately, the military is very. 00:30:19
Strict with respect to. 00:30:21
Monitoring the behavior of their. 00:30:23
And. 00:30:27
To the even to the point where. 00:30:28
Department communities I've been involved with, they use their basic system housing. 00:30:30
A portion of their rent, if not all of the rent, wouldn't be concerned with. 00:30:36
900 If they misbehave, they lose it and they're back on base in America. 00:30:39
And so they're, they're very, they're, they're pretty well behaved. 00:30:43
I'm just saying I've got. 00:30:46
I've had a lot of experience. I haven't any other than I was. 00:30:48
In the Army and not a base? Well, Kentucky. 00:30:51
So really, you should be under scrutiny. 00:30:55
Actually, I suspect. 00:31:00
This will. 00:31:02
In some areas solve some problems where you have. 00:31:04
Four single guys renting a house with four cars parked, no one taking care of the lot. 2 of them gone for six months, the other 00:31:07
two gone for six months. 00:31:12
Ask that they're on base. No, no no they're no they're not. Compliance department can tell you differently. This will give another 00:31:17
option and it'll only be attractive to single people. You can't have a family. 00:31:24
You have a bedroom. 00:31:31
And a bathroom of your own and everything else is there. 00:31:34
We want single guys. When is the next? I mean, it's only attractive to single people. 00:31:39
Go ahead, when's the next? 00:31:45
I don't know. 00:31:49
I don't know. 00:31:50
This got a larger crew. 00:31:52
And what the subject now are? 00:31:54
And that's in the next couple of years. 00:31:59
It's when. 00:32:02
A new sub is coming in. 00:32:05
And that's going to make a difference. 00:32:08
Because I think it's true. 00:32:10
As two crews be cruising. 00:32:13
Got about 500 members. 00:32:15
Cruise now 300. 00:32:18
155 We had some information about that. 00:32:20
As part of, I think, the housing study. 00:32:25
Right, that the Navy and I thought. 00:32:27
The projected increase. 00:32:30
In a population that were related, I thought we were already. 00:32:32
At that, as opposed to there was. 00:32:38
More to come. 00:32:40
I've heard some conflicting. 00:32:42
Messaging around that I'm really not. 00:32:44
Quite sure at this point. 00:32:47
All right, let me add something plus that you were asking about. 00:32:49
And it relates to, I guess, accommodating what? 00:32:55
We know versus what the potential is in the future. 00:32:58
I have educated myself as extensively as I. 00:33:02
Possibly can with pig metal and what they're doing. 00:33:05
And one of the issues and it comes up with one of the. 00:33:08
You know, we'll talk about utility usage. 00:33:11
Is that? 00:33:14
And I don't really know. 00:33:15
I can't give you numbers about what's planned. 00:33:16
But apparently Georgia Power cannot supply. 00:33:19
Anticipated studio with power requirements that they need. 00:33:22
So there's there's some. 00:33:25
Work underway to augment that. 00:33:27
With some type of alternative energy production to satisfy their needs. 00:33:30
So I think that falls in the category of what we know now trying to. 00:33:35
Provide some accommodation to big metal. 00:33:38
So that they can move forward and meet their needs. Because I'll tell you, that's not a green light. 00:33:41
I don't know that they're moving for it. 00:33:45
You know, and I think it's a pretty valuable development to the city. 00:33:47
Umm, the other piece as it relates to. 00:33:52
Educational facilities or otherwise in pigmental is has. 00:33:55
Put some seed money in and there's other people in the community that have donated to it. 00:34:01
To work with. 00:34:05
Coastal Pines Technical College to create a trade school. 00:34:07
For lighting technicians, sound technicians. 00:34:11
Everything involved in movie studio production that doesn't that education. 00:34:14
And trade doesn't exist today. 00:34:18
And so and I think some of that may be on their campus. 00:34:20
That may occur and so. 00:34:23
At least when I hear education, that strikes me as. 00:34:25
Something we know as opposed to something we're trying to open the door with with no. 00:34:28
Explanation. But does this, does that connect to this in your mind at all? Yeah. 00:34:32
Yes, they might have someone come in who has. 00:34:36
Two months. Three months. 00:34:40
Need some place to live while they're? 00:34:42
Learning, their trade and the educational training may involve. 00:34:44
Some hands on. 00:34:48
They couldn't stay in this facility. 00:34:49
Not military, no. Has nothing to do with the military. I understand that, but this overlay encompasses the pigmental site just as 00:34:52
it does. 00:34:56
Someone leaving that and joining Sign Metal? 00:35:00
No, no. 00:35:02
I'm having trouble tying the two together. 00:35:03
Well, this overlay covers the entire airport site. It's time to pick metal not tied to the military. You're. 00:35:06
All right, Yeah. 00:35:13
Coconut and so is the any other use of housing that we've talked about? 00:35:14
Such as if pigmental needed. 00:35:21
Housing for folks coming in for training and then also for educational use. Are those all special permit uses? 00:35:23
No, I mean I think one of the follow-ups that staff will have is really. 00:35:30
Thinking about. 00:35:35
Where the planned development district sits in relation to the overlay and the underlying zoning because. 00:35:36
How I remember the approved. 00:35:43
Development District. 00:35:45
Which remember. 00:35:46
Twilights. 00:35:47
We have a sunset on PDS now. We didn't use to, but this is one of the new ones that has a sunset, so that's another. 00:35:48
Kind of thing. 00:35:55
Thing that we're thinking about here, right? 00:35:56
So, umm. 00:35:58
That did have. 00:35:59
Housing, but I remember it more as. 00:36:02
Sort of short term lodging for artists and creative types. I don't. 00:36:05
Specifically, remember. 00:36:11
Trade school. 00:36:13
Housing umm. 00:36:14
So what? What we've done very clearly. 00:36:15
In this overlay. 00:36:19
Is to allow for a trade school. 00:36:20
The administrative offices. 00:36:24
The training facilities, you know, all of the things associated with the trade school. I don't think the language. 00:36:26
Really goes far enough. 00:36:34
To call out. 00:36:36
Housing. 00:36:37
It just kind of says facilities. 00:36:38
If we wanted to call out housing, we could do that. 00:36:40
If we wanted to make that style of housing a special permit use. 00:36:44
We could do that. 00:36:48
It seems like. 00:36:49
Trying to support this concept. 00:36:50
Of an industrial. 00:36:53
Area light industrial, heavy whatever that making sure that those uses related to that. 00:36:55
Would make sense. 00:37:02
So having it as a special permit. 00:37:03
Usage. 00:37:06
And being able to vet those, yeah. 00:37:07
We could also do when we grappled with. 00:37:10
How to handle? 00:37:13
The commercial pod. 00:37:15
At the very northern the proposed commercial pot. 00:37:17
At the northern run of the airport. 00:37:20
One of the zoning. 00:37:22
Kind of tricks that we tinkered with. 00:37:24
Is talking about. 00:37:26
Commercial uses that are ancillary to. 00:37:28
An industrial and manufacturing use. 00:37:32
So, uh. 00:37:34
That's another trick. 00:37:35
Where we could say. 00:37:37
Dormitory Dormitories style housing. 00:37:39
Which is ancillary to a trade school or educational facility. 00:37:42
That's one approach. 00:37:47
Or we could take the special permit. 00:37:49
Approach. 00:37:50
I mean from my background in doing economic development at the state level. 00:37:51
We would be looking at well. 00:37:57
The jobs that are being created. 00:37:59
Are they actually paying enough that a person. 00:38:01
Couldn't afford housing? 00:38:03
Without having a dormitory. 00:38:05
Made available. 00:38:08
For them so I can see. 00:38:09
Dormitory. 00:38:10
Or some kind of training sort of thing. But if. 00:38:12
Creating an industrial. 00:38:16
Park that the workers. 00:38:18
Can't afford housing unless we. 00:38:20
Provide a dormitory for them to live in. 00:38:22
I don't think that's a good thing long term for the community. 00:38:25
So that's why I'm thinking by this special use permit. 00:38:27
To be able to vet these. 00:38:31
And has some criteria on that. 00:38:33
And then? 00:38:35
Have we? 00:38:36
You know, we also have another item on the. 00:38:38
Tonight's agenda? 00:38:41
We keep adding things along. 00:38:43
Douglas. 00:38:47
And traffic and Douglas is a very narrow. 00:38:48
Mm-hmm. Curving Rd. with no berms. 00:38:53
We had discussion about, you know, when. 00:38:56
The Commerce park was developed and would. 00:38:59
Trucks and things be. 00:39:01
Using that. 00:39:03
I guess there I do have a concern as we keep adding things, I mean 900 people. 00:39:06
I'm assuming they all have their own car probably. 00:39:11
And so. 00:39:15
That's a lot of vehicle. 00:39:17
Traffic. 00:39:20
I mean this, this hasn't really come up in this process. I totally agree with you. I think that when we did the Pigmental studio 00:39:21
plan development district. 00:39:26
We agreed that a traffic study would need to be done eventually. 00:39:31
To if for nothing other than just create. 00:39:36
Truck routes. 00:39:39
You know, and how the site should be accessed so. 00:39:40
You know, we should give that some consideration. 00:39:43
As we, you know and I think when it was first mentioned about the base housing. 00:39:47
It was kind of conceived of as being sort of. 00:39:53
Separated. 00:39:56
From the rest of the industrial park. 00:39:58
So, umm. 00:40:00
Is it still? 00:40:01
With this as an overlay, and I guess I asked that because that would then relate to. 00:40:02
Access points. 00:40:07
For roadways. 00:40:09
I think the best way to answer that is. 00:40:12
To kind of. 00:40:15
Walk us through the. 00:40:17
Nope, not here. 00:40:19
Maybe here? 00:40:21
Walk us through this concept plan a little bit so. 00:40:23
This, and I don't know if you can, yeah, you can kind of see this. 00:40:28
So point Peter Rd. here. 00:40:31
There is at the northern rung of the airport there is a prop. 00:40:34
Post Roadway. 00:40:37
That will exit out there, so a form of. 00:40:40
Entrance or or exit? 00:40:43
That commercial pot, as I understand it. 00:40:46
Will be open to the public. 00:40:49
It will be developed by the Military Housing Authority. 00:40:50
Because they wanted a. 00:40:54
You know, some sort of place where you could go and get provisions or you know, something to eat or something like that close by. 00:40:56
Then. 00:41:02
Housing begins. 00:41:05
Will be gated. 00:41:07
Both on the northern part. 00:41:09
And, umm. 00:41:12
On the southern part. 00:41:13
The idea is that the Military Housing Authority will extend Brick Hill Rd. 00:41:14
There'll be sort of a clubhouse Orient. 00:41:20
Type of area at the southern portion and then the housing will begin. 00:41:23
So there will be no. 00:41:28
Through traffic. 00:41:30
For the public. 00:41:32
But uh. 00:41:33
This uh. 00:41:34
Community, uh. 00:41:35
Will most. 00:41:36
Likely will. 00:41:38
Traverse. 00:41:39
Brick Hill Rd. 00:41:40
And Point Peter Rd. 00:41:42
So when you say extend, you mean builders drive? 00:41:44
Yes. 00:41:48
As opposed to brick. 00:41:49
Yes, builder strike. Did I say Brick Hill? I'm sorry. Yes, builder strike. The kind of the water jutting. 00:41:51
Well, you know the seed. 00:41:57
Builders drive. 00:41:59
So off of point Peter built the shrine cuts through to Douglas. 00:42:00
Builder striving comes into the other end of this house. Some of the other things that we've done is the overlay itself has some 00:42:05
significant site design criteria. So again, you know, at every pass we're trying to ensure that. 00:42:13
Our new development or are significantly rehab development. 00:42:21
Comes with. 00:42:25
You know, lighting, landscaping, proper signage, proper site maintenance. So. 00:42:26
You'll see that embedded in the overlay as well. 00:42:32
So we have a question here. So the red circled area. 00:42:35
On this. 00:42:40
Handout. Yeah, that's not. 00:42:41
The location for the housing itself, that's for the commercial, that's for the commercial. So another. So how far over does does 00:42:43
the housing come all the way out to where builders drive currently dead ends? 00:42:48
Parcel 12, that will be sort of maybe part of the security gate, OK. Yeah. So it comes all the way. So it comes out, Yeah, OK. 00:42:55
And that is almost that red circle is a reminder to ourselves. 00:43:04
You know, as staff rather than trying to figure out. 00:43:10
How to talking about? 00:43:13
Future uses and potential uses. 00:43:14
We were trying to figure out how we could. 00:43:18
Accommodate the desired commercial use for the military housing. 00:43:21
Authorities, uh. 00:43:26
Development. 00:43:28
But also not open up. 00:43:29
All the other parcels in the overlay. 00:43:31
To commercial development. 00:43:34
Why not just have them right across Douglas in the industrial park sites that you're trying to sell? 00:43:35
Because those are part of DASM, the development authority of Saint Mary's. Part of their charter right is that it can't go to 00:43:40
certain uses. I'm not sure about commercial. 00:43:46
And they wanted it. 00:43:52
Right next to them. 00:43:53
OK. 00:43:54
I would say. 00:43:56
That some alternative access and I know that's not part of this. 00:43:57
You know what we're talking about tonight. It's not shown on the plan. 00:44:02
But it would seem like either from Douglas or Point Peter, some alternative access would be necessary. 00:44:05
Yeah, absolutely necessary, because you cannot. 00:44:10
Funneled 900 cars a day. 00:44:13
You know, in and out of. 00:44:16
The existing entrances to the park. 00:44:18
OK. But so just to be clear, there will be a new road? 00:44:20
A new entrance point. 00:44:26
At the northern right of the airport, that will go out onto Point Peter. 00:44:27
OK, so if we if I bring it up on the map here, it's a little bit easier to see. 00:44:31
So that would be within the circle. 00:44:38
Yeah, yes. 00:44:41
Within the circle. 00:44:44
So they first could up, they could first access the commercial and then go through a gate into the house. 00:44:45
So. 00:44:50
But that's a lot of cars. 00:44:51
Emptying on the point, Peter. 00:44:53
Conceptually all going to the base. 00:44:58
So they're either going to take the long way around to the main gate or they will open the back gate. 00:45:01
But that also is where all the traffic coming across the North Causeway. 00:45:07
Is going through also. 00:45:12
That's right. 00:45:14
And that's kind of a. 00:45:16
A lively spot at times. 00:45:17
To make those. 00:45:20
Term. So if we add. 00:45:21
900 cars. 00:45:23
Without some significant changes. 00:45:26
That would be it. And this year. 00:45:29
With the are they going to put? 00:45:34
Entrance also over Douglas. 00:45:36
I don't believe so, not other than the terminus of. 00:45:40
Brick Hill. 00:45:43
But this this development, the proposed development will not. 00:45:45
Kind of break. 00:45:49
The parcel. 00:45:50
Any further? 00:45:51
But they could come out, build or drive. 00:45:52
Onto Brick Hill and go out. 00:45:54
On Douglas that way. 00:45:56
So I had a question from when I was kind of. 00:46:10
Leafing through. 00:46:14
So in the. 00:46:15
In the handout you had on section 110. 00:46:18
This goes. 00:46:22
The development district pet peeve that I was talking to Tina about So. 00:46:24
This. 00:46:29
Talks about. 00:46:30
And let's see. 00:46:32
Under 11070. 00:46:35
For district standards on item. 00:46:36
2D about outdoor and open storage being visually screened by shrubbery. 00:46:40
So we have. 00:46:48
And what Dina thought at the time was. 00:46:51
That that's. 00:46:53
Wouldn't affect properties that are facing under. 00:46:54
Point, Peter. 00:46:57
But these properties are all shaded. 00:46:58
On this map, which would make me believe that they are included. 00:47:01
Yeah, in that. 00:47:05
So. 00:47:06
I have. 00:47:11
Had very. 00:47:12
Productive conversations with two large. 00:47:13
Industrial site. 00:47:17
Owners who happen to. 00:47:18
Front or back? 00:47:21
However you want but. 00:47:22
But have visible storage spaces along Point Peter Rd. 00:47:23
In addition to that. 00:47:28
At the last council meeting. 00:47:30
Concerned citizen did express to Council. 00:47:33
They are tired. 00:47:37
Of seeing these storage materials. 00:47:39
So I think in a in a true. 00:47:42
Carrot stick approach here. 00:47:45
We are. 00:47:47
We are securing. 00:47:49
The underlying light industrial zoning. 00:47:52
We are introducing. 00:47:56
Potentially introducing. 00:47:58
A use in proximity to that zoning which is not. 00:48:00
A threat? 00:48:04
To those operations. 00:48:05
And in that. 00:48:06
Carrot perhaps? 00:48:07
Perhaps. 00:48:09
And I will. 00:48:10
Ask that those storage areas be. 00:48:11
At the very least. 00:48:15
Sort of the. 00:48:17
Green mesh or black mesh that hangs? 00:48:19
On the chain link fence and I do think that. 00:48:22
The two owners that I spoke to are open to that. 00:48:25
They're, you know, they're, they're happy about this, this move, this change. 00:48:29
They're open to that. They want to invest in their properties now, knowing that. 00:48:33
We're not putting. 00:48:38
A Margarita bill. 00:48:39
I mean, there's a wonderful example on I think. 00:48:41
Dilworth of a guy who has been. 00:48:44
Planting. I think it's climbing fig. 00:48:46
And it looks fabulous. That's that's all that's really needed here. 00:48:50
To kind of screen that. 00:48:54
I mean if we had a junkyard somewhere. 00:48:56
We would be immediately saying hey. 00:48:58
You gotta screen that OK. 00:49:00
All right. I do think that that will be part of the discussion. 00:49:02
I would like to continue our outreach to the properties along Industrial Drive. 00:49:07
You know, informing them of what we're doing, why we're doing it. 00:49:13
Why we'd like to do it. 00:49:17
And then also. 00:49:19
Ask for some improvements along. 00:49:20
Point Peter Rd. 00:49:23
All right, I also want to say that, umm. 00:49:25
We haven't really talked about it too much, but. 00:49:30
Special permit use of energy generation. 00:49:32
In, you know, researching this a little bit and sniffing around. 00:49:37
How we would do this? 00:49:41
This really? 00:49:43
It's almost. 00:49:45
Kind of silly. 00:49:46
To bring it up in local zoning because. 00:49:47
It would require. 00:49:49
Players beyond us and. 00:49:51
You know, we're sort of doing our part to facilitate perhaps. 00:49:55
A need, but this area does have restrictive use easements. 00:49:59
On it that are put in place by the Navy. 00:50:06
You know, we've been in communication with them about some of, about all of these things. They've reviewed this, they're, they're 00:50:09
comfortable with this. 00:50:12
But ultimately, they have a say in the review. 00:50:16
And I think that. 00:50:20
Department of Energy might even have a say in that type of review. So, you know, it's not, I don't want us to think that we're 00:50:21
welcoming in, you know. 00:50:25
Some sort of new massive coke? 00:50:30
Plant or something. It's not that it's it's. 00:50:32
It's kind of just a. 00:50:36
A small token. 00:50:38
Willingness to. 00:50:40
So we'll take that. 00:50:41
Do you need the Planning Commission to? 00:50:46
Vote or do anything at this point or we're simply you've gotten our comments. 00:50:51
And then it'll come back in September. Yeah, Yep. So we don't need any action here. This is purely a work session. 00:50:55
Those of you that that follow our agendas and have noticed tonight we have withdrawn the overlay district and here's. 00:51:01
Why that happened? 00:51:10
To really do this. 00:51:13
Process, right. It is both a zoning text amendment. 00:51:14
Which is the section 110-74 that you've got that draft. 00:51:18
And it is also a. 00:51:23
Map Amendment. 00:51:25
To, you know, actually change the zoning on these identified parcels. 00:51:27
And so. 00:51:31
When we first. 00:51:33
Wrote our legal notice. We didn't approach it in those two ways. 00:51:35
So, umm. 00:51:39
Rather than. 00:51:40
You know, trying to do anything that would be confusing and not transparently withdrew that. 00:51:41
It will go out in the paper again. 00:51:47
Surrounding property owners will get. 00:51:49
Letters Again, we will hold the public hearing to public hearings on both the text amendment and the map amendment. 00:51:51
At your September 9th. 00:51:58
So we're really just getting the. 00:52:02
Subdivision part of that. 00:52:04
Handled. Yeah, tonight. Is that splitting of work? 00:52:06
The creation of. 00:52:09
12A and 12B, that's an agenda item. 00:52:11
At your regular meeting. 00:52:14
All right. 00:52:21
Do we have any other business here? 00:52:23
All right. Do we have a motion? 00:52:27
We have a second. 00:52:30
All right, all those in favor. 00:52:32
All right, that closes the working. 00:52:35
Session and then according to the clock on the wall we have about 6 minutes. 00:52:37
Until we'll start our regular. 00:52:42
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Folks ready, all right. 00:00:09
Call to order our working session. 00:00:11
For the Saint Mary's Planning Commission month of August. 00:00:13
I'll turn things over to. 00:00:18
Jamie, great. Thank you very much. Commissioners and members of the public, also those watching. 00:00:19
At home. 00:00:26
This evening I'd like to use this time to discuss an opportunity. 00:00:28
That we have here in the city. 00:00:34
At least if you could please project my computer. 00:00:36
OK. 00:00:48
Excellent. 00:00:50
So what we're seeing here is an area which we're referring to now as. 00:00:51
The Commerce and Industrial Park Development district. 00:00:58
So. 00:01:03
Here's the opportunity. 00:01:04
The umm. 00:01:06
Kings Bay Naval Base in conjunction with the Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:01:09
A group. 00:01:14
Called the Military Housing Authority. 00:01:15
Has approached the city. 00:01:17
About. 00:01:19
Constructing. 00:01:20
Roughly 900. 00:01:22
Beds. Bedrooms. 00:01:24
For unaccompanied sailors. 00:01:26
On the north rung. 00:01:28
Of the former airport. 00:01:29
So that's the opportunity. 00:01:32
This overlay. 00:01:35
Is really an attempt at. 00:01:37
Preserving the underlying light industrial zoning. 00:01:41
Of our Commerce Park. 00:01:45
But also. 00:01:47
Allowing and facilitating. 00:01:48
That partnership? 00:01:50
For off base housing. 00:01:52
With. 00:01:54
The naval base. 00:01:55
So I'll let that sink in for a minute because I do feel as though. 00:01:57
The the vision for the Commerce Park. 00:02:02
Was one of. 00:02:05
Industry and manufacturing and commerce. 00:02:07
And when I first learned of this opportunity, I did feel that it was a bit of a pivot. 00:02:11
From that. 00:02:16
But I think the partnership. 00:02:18
With the naval base. 00:02:20
As well as and I'll zoom in so hopefully these lines become a little bit more. 00:02:22
Helpful for you. 00:02:28
So this on on the overlay area, this the shaded area that you're seeing. 00:02:30
Constitutes the overlay district that we're proposing, and I'll get into that. 00:02:36
A little bit more. 00:02:41
But zooming in on the north rung. 00:02:42
Of the former airport. 00:02:45
This parcel that's identified as Parcel 12. 00:02:47
That's the area in which the Military Housing Authority is thinking about this proposal. 00:02:51
So let's. 00:02:59
Let's talk through some of the. 00:02:59
Reasoning behind. 00:03:03
This move. 00:03:05
When the city was first approached. 00:03:06
With with this proposal. 00:03:09
The first thought was. 00:03:12
To rezone to. 00:03:14
R3, which is multifamily residential. It's a. 00:03:16
All throughout the city, that's how we get condominium development. 00:03:20
And multifamily development. 00:03:24
And staff and I were considering this and. 00:03:26
Talking with the Navy and talking with the military Housing Authority and with our mayor and. 00:03:29
Other department heads. 00:03:35
The thinking was that. 00:03:36
To introduce that. 00:03:38
Type of zoning. 00:03:39
Deteriorate. 00:03:44
The kind of underlying. 00:03:45
Thinking or approach of the overall commerce. 00:03:49
So what we wanted to do here was. 00:03:52
Facilitate the creation of this off base housing in partnership with the Naval Base. 00:03:54
But also maintain. 00:04:00
The underlying light industrial zoning. 00:04:02
And why is that important? 00:04:05
That's important both to. 00:04:08
Satisfy the vision of the Commerce Park. 00:04:10
And it is also important for. 00:04:13
The areas that we have included in the. 00:04:16
Overlay which are not part of the. 00:04:18
Commerce Park, but all the properties along Industrial Drive. 00:04:21
So if you've ever taken a drive. 00:04:25
Along Industrial Drive. 00:04:27
You'll know that there's all sorts of manufacturing, industrial storage operations and processes happening there. 00:04:29
There are also a few. 00:04:37
Things that don't necessarily comply with our. 00:04:39
Like industrial zoning or general industrial zoning? 00:04:43
And this overlay is an attempt. 00:04:47
To take the light industrial zoning. 00:04:49
And overlay as the term. 00:04:52
Conveys additional uses. 00:04:55
OK, one of those additional uses. 00:04:58
As you can see in the draft. 00:05:01
That we have provided. 00:05:03
And you're really getting to see kind of how the sausage is made in this draft. 00:05:06
If you will, because there's even areas here where it was in one section and we moved it to another section and. 00:05:10
You know so but one of the permitted uses. 00:05:16
Is. 00:05:19
Dormitory style housing or military housing in conjunction with. 00:05:21
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:05:26
OK, so. 00:05:28
What we're doing here is we're attempting to. 00:05:30
Maintain that underlying light industrial zoning. 00:05:34
And add uses to it. 00:05:38
Which will not only facilitate this off face housing proposal. 00:05:40
But will also facilitate. 00:05:44
The Pigmental Studios project. 00:05:46
And offer a few other uses. 00:05:48
To the properties along. 00:05:52
Industrial Drive. 00:05:54
The last thing I'll say before we open up for discussion here. 00:05:56
Is that? 00:06:00
Many of you, if you have ever driven. 00:06:02
Along Point Peter Rd. 00:06:05
And taking it until it's terminus. 00:06:07
Know that that is the. 00:06:09
Back gate or South gate? 00:06:12
Of the naval base. 00:06:15
When these discussions started taking place. 00:06:16
That was a stated goal. 00:06:20
Of this. 00:06:22
Off base housing creation. 00:06:23
Is that? 00:06:26
The rear gate, South gate, however you want to talk about it. 00:06:26
Would eventually. 00:06:31
OK, so. 00:06:34
From a. 00:06:35
Planning. Uh uh. 00:06:36
And frankly, economic development perspective. 00:06:38
This is a tremendous opportunity for the city. 00:06:42
To eventually achieve the the reopening of that gate. 00:06:46
But also. 00:06:51
To bring a great deal more traffic. 00:06:52
Meaning foot traffic to our Midtown corridor. There will also be associated traffic. But if we think about. 00:06:56
900 unaccompanied sailors and their. 00:07:04
Purchasing power right there next to. 00:07:07
Midtown, it's quite a nice. 00:07:09
I think synergy to help with some of our Midtown revitalization efforts. 00:07:12
With that I'm. 00:07:17
Kind of end. 00:07:18
But I do have a conceptual. 00:07:20
That I can show in the group. 00:07:24
To further. 00:07:27
Kind of help us understand. 00:07:28
Now. 00:07:30
I'll do a little bit more explaining of. 00:07:33
How this happened? 00:07:36
All right, so. 00:07:37
Well, my computer has given me a. 00:07:40
Once a break. 00:07:44
Great, so this one is showing you now. 00:07:50
So sort of we reoriented to show Parcel 12 in the center. 00:07:54
Of the Commerce Park. Again, this is the north rung of the airport. 00:08:00
And what you're seeing now is parcel? 00:08:04
Sorry, my computer is not cooperating. 00:08:09
You're seeing. 00:08:11
Proposed parcels 12A and 12. 00:08:12
This minor subdivision is before you. 00:08:17
In this evening's meeting. 00:08:22
So these are the. 00:08:24
Plots of land. 00:08:26
That have been. 00:08:28
Identified uh. 00:08:30
As being able to facilitate. 00:08:31
The creation of the off base housing. 00:08:34
As well as. 00:08:37
A small commercial pond. 00:08:39
That was another thing that we kind of ran into. 00:08:41
And, you know, feel free to stop me here because I feel like I'm throwing a lot of stuff out. 00:08:44
But umm. 00:08:49
In this concept, in this rendering, you see at the very northern. 00:08:50
Rung of the airport. 00:08:55
The future Parcel 12B if you should choose to approve it this evening. 00:08:58
Will be a commercial. 00:09:04
Location. 00:09:07
So the other part of this plan is that. 00:09:09
Builders drive. 00:09:12
Which, if any of you have driven on the new Brick Hill Rd. 00:09:13
Within the Commerce Park, which runs on the East West runway, there's a Rd. 00:09:17
Right up the center. 00:09:22
Of the northern runway, Former runway. 00:09:23
And that is. You can see it a bit here on this overlay. 00:09:27
That will become. 00:09:32
The roadway that goes up through the northern rung of the airport. 00:09:37
Goes out into the commercial pod. 00:09:42
And eventually enters out. 00:09:46
On to Point Peter Rd. 00:09:49
So this is the concept. 00:09:51
The. 00:09:56
Sort of concept map. 00:09:57
This is in no way a. 00:09:59
The way that this will ultimately look, this is just to offer. 00:10:02
You a vision of what those 900? 00:10:06
Beds may look like. 00:10:10
These will be dormitory style quads. 00:10:12
Which have two stories. 00:10:15
On each story is. 00:10:18
A shared living space. 00:10:20
With, you know, common areas for storage kitchen. 00:10:22
And hanging out. 00:10:26
And then 4 bedrooms and four bathrooms and they'll be. 00:10:27
A quad on the first floor. 00:10:31
And a quad on the second floor. 00:10:32
OK. Are we open the? 00:10:35
Yeah, questions. 00:10:37
Yeah. 00:10:40
I just before we get started and want to stress what a big deal opening that gate is because I was on the master plan when it was. 00:10:43
Developed and that was one of our goals was to try to get that gate open. 00:10:54
It's not just the 900. 00:10:59
Housed individuals there. 00:11:02
It's the entire base. Once they close that gate downtown dried up. 00:11:04
It was very active, the businesses were doing well, there was a lot going on. 00:11:09
They closed that gate. 00:11:14
Everyone started hurting. It really made a huge difference. So this really. 00:11:17
Is a big deal getting that gate open? 00:11:22
And it's worth any little sacrifice we might have to make to do that. 00:11:25
Thank you. 00:11:29
I agree with that. 00:11:30
Uh-huh. OK, now let me I. 00:11:31
A couple of questions and. 00:11:35
I don't know that they're directly related to each other. 00:11:37
One as it relates to. 00:11:40
The gate opening, I think it's a big deal too, but they've been talking about opening that gate for 15 years. 00:11:42
And I have no confidence that. 00:11:47
The city agreeing to Something's going to. 00:11:49
Influence their opinion about opening it. If they build something, they're likely to open. 00:11:51
But they've been talking about this for 15 years and I don't. 00:11:55
Even though I agree, it would be phenomenal. 00:11:58
If it happened, I don't really have a high level of confidence that it may one way or another. 00:12:00
Second question, which was originally my first question. 00:12:05
This this partial 12 are we? 00:12:08
I thought we were subdividing into two parcels and A and a, B or a 12 and a 12A. 00:12:12
Is there a delineation of where? 00:12:18
Where that is between the two parcels? Yep. Do you want to ask your third question then I'll answer all of them. Or you want me to 00:12:20
show you that? 00:12:24
You tested my memory now. 00:12:27
OK. The third question. 00:12:32
Which umm. 00:12:34
Originally my second question. 00:12:35
It might come to you if I just answer. 00:12:36
OK, well here's a. 00:12:39
My question. 00:12:40
Is, you know the. 00:12:42
Probably has 1000 acres of unutilized real estate. 00:12:45
Why? What's there? 00:12:50
Desire or motivation? 00:12:52
To establish off base housing. 00:12:54
I don't. It makes no sense to me. 00:12:57
But obviously within your discussions, I would have think they would have given you some rationale. They have, yes. So the 00:12:59
military Housing Authority and I hope. 00:13:03
One day they'll come. 00:13:07
You know, I don't know that they'll present to you because. 00:13:09
This uh. 00:13:12
Rezoning this overlay, which you will hear as an item at your September meeting. 00:13:13
This is just talking about it. 00:13:18
That will eventually. 00:13:21
This group. 00:13:23
Is a private entity. 00:13:25
That enters into an intergovernmental services agreement. 00:13:27
With the naval base. 00:13:31
And that allows them to. 00:13:33
Not have to follow certain federal. 00:13:36
Procurement, construction requirements. So the short answer is. 00:13:40
It saves money. 00:13:45
So building off base is not held to the same requirements which are very costly to build on base. 00:13:47
OK, so would the. 00:13:54
The the anticipated owner of the property would be a private sector developer and not the base. 00:13:57
It is that they are entering into an agreement. 00:14:04
With the base and if you. 00:14:07
Read the overlay this is getting. This is a very. 00:14:09
Nuanced part of the overlay, which we gave a lot of thought to. 00:14:13
The language is. 00:14:18
In conjunction with the Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay. 00:14:20
And we were very specific with that because. 00:14:24
I think it is not a good move to open ourselves to speculative. 00:14:28
Off base housing. 00:14:33
So what this overlay is doing is really only allowing it if it is in conjunction with. 00:14:35
You know, we stopped short of saying in partnership with, but in conjunction with. 00:14:42
The Kings Bay Naval Base. 00:14:46
11 last comment and I think I shut up for a while. 00:14:48
Umm, 900 beds. I'm just going to tell you that. 00:14:53
I don't think this is a. 00:14:57
Economic stimulus to downtown or midtown or anything else. The reason I'm saying that and I have. 00:15:00
I indirectly own apartments here. 00:15:07
And many of the Navy personnel who get base assisted housing their Bah. 00:15:10
As part of their compensation when they live off. 00:15:15
Live here. 00:15:19
You know, I'm saying at this time I would suspect. 00:15:20
Because they're already in our apartment communities. 00:15:23
Here in the market. 00:15:25
I would suspect that. 00:15:27
If the Navy's got an active investment in the success of 900 beds off site. 00:15:28
It would require those sailors to 1st. 00:15:33
Apply. 00:15:36
To the base. 00:15:37
Housing at this location. 00:15:38
Before going to the third party. 00:15:40
Private developer. 00:15:43
Department, community or such as that. So the net result is. 00:15:44
You're drawing out existing. 00:15:48
Occupancy from our multifamily communities that are here. 00:15:53
To put their own base. 00:15:57
And that's a. That's a negative effect on. 00:15:58
The multifamily apartment communities and developers are here. 00:16:01
Unless you anticipate. 00:16:07
900 new sailors coming in and living off site. 00:16:08
I don't have those details. I mean, my impression was that. 00:16:12
The existing. 00:16:16
On base housing. 00:16:18
Is in very poor condition. 00:16:19
And they want to quickly move. 00:16:22
To create. 00:16:23
This new. 00:16:24
Off base housing, but I don't know. 00:16:27
What you're saying? 00:16:29
I'm not sure and I understand the. 00:16:30
Careful wording, I thought. 00:16:34
That's right, my sort of. 00:16:36
Line of work. 00:16:38
But what does in conjunction actually mean? 00:16:39
I mean, how do you? 00:16:43
How do you determine oh this? 00:16:44
Yep. This one's in conjunction or that one's not. Yeah. 00:16:46
I think so so. 00:16:49
Beyond the the zoning tool to allow this to happen. 00:16:51
Is a negotiation between. 00:16:56
The military Housing Authority in the city of Saint. 00:16:58
And the Joint Development Authority. 00:17:01
For the acquisition of this land. 00:17:03
And within that is a contract. 00:17:05
And within that contract? 00:17:07
Would be this. 00:17:10
Sort of area where I would say. 00:17:11
In conjunction with there is an agreement. 00:17:13
There is something in place. 00:17:16
That brings in the naval base. 00:17:18
So I guess from my seat. 00:17:21
If a developer were to come to me. 00:17:24
And say. 00:17:26
You know, let's take a undeveloped area along. 00:17:27
Industrial Drive. 00:17:31
And want to. 00:17:32
Put spec. 00:17:34
Off base housing. 00:17:35
Without an agreement. 00:17:37
With the naval base. 00:17:39
It would not be approved. 00:17:41
And so are these units. 00:17:44
Restricted. 00:17:45
To Navy personnel, this will be a highly secured. 00:17:46
Facility This will not be a public. 00:17:51
Throughput. 00:17:53
And then? 00:17:54
How is it managed? 00:17:55
I mean when I think about. 00:17:57
900. 00:17:59
Beds in this particular. 00:18:00
Age group. 00:18:03
Think that as a community. 00:18:05
We'd be concerned about some on site. 00:18:07
Management. 00:18:09
I believe that's handled by the Military Housing Authority, but that's a great follow-up question for which would be a good line 00:18:11
to that it is actually in conjunction because of. 00:18:15
Some of these restrictions and then you mentioned about this. 00:18:20
Because at first I thought. 00:18:25
Oh, you're allowing this? 00:18:26
You're doing this as an overlay, but you're really. 00:18:29
Only doing it for this. 00:18:32
Part of the. 00:18:34
Section, but you mentioned that this also supports. 00:18:36
Pigmental. 00:18:40
Are we now opening up? 00:18:41
Dormitory, housing and other residential. 00:18:44
Development. 00:18:48
Throughout this entire. 00:18:49
When you say, well, we're trying to support. 00:18:51
The industrial park. 00:18:54
Concept. 00:18:56
Kind of doesn't sound like. 00:18:58
Part of what we've normally see with. 00:19:00
That kind of development and how does that make sense? 00:19:02
Spread over the entire area right so let's let's. 00:19:05
Break this down a little bit. 00:19:09
And I think the best way to do that is to walk through the uses section of the proposed district. 00:19:11
OK, so we have. 00:19:18
The majority of this land that is identified in the overlay district. 00:19:21
Is light industrial zoning. 00:19:27
What we're doing in the overlay is we're. 00:19:31
Including light industrial zoning. 00:19:34
We're bringing in. 00:19:37
General industrial zoning. So again. 00:19:39
We're kind of adding. 00:19:41
Right. Umm. 00:19:43
One of the things that was at the. 00:19:43
Foundation of this. 00:19:46
Move with the overlay. 00:19:48
Is really that? 00:19:50
Perhaps our development patterns? 00:19:51
To date have not really shown us. 00:19:54
The value. 00:19:57
Of industrial zoning. 00:19:58
But coming from the Northeast, coming from New York City. 00:20:00
Industrial zoning is. 00:20:03
Gold. You don't make more of it. 00:20:05
Right. Like once you've lost your industrial zoning, it's real hard. 00:20:07
Decided so. The intent here was to. 00:20:11
Maintain that integrity. So not only are we. 00:20:15
We're allowing, we're keeping the light industrial zoning. 00:20:20
We're adding the general industrial zoning district uses. 00:20:23
Letter C under permitted uses. 00:20:28
Military dormitory housing in conjunction with. 00:20:30
Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay. 00:20:34
And then? 00:20:36
Keeping that design standard of the R3 medium and high density so that the. 00:20:37
The Military Housing Authority has their assurance that. 00:20:42
That same density that is allowed in the R3 will be allowed here, but there's that extra. 00:20:45
Caveat requirement of in conjunction with the Naval base. 00:20:52
So the only. 00:20:56
The only housing is in conjunction with the military. 00:20:58
Let's keep going through it, OK? 00:21:01
So item D. 00:21:04
Commercial fitness and recreation facilities. 00:21:06
So another kind of. 00:21:09
Idea as to why we did this overlay is that. 00:21:10
There are currently some. 00:21:14
A commercial fitness activities along industrial drive which we don't. 00:21:17
Really facilitate that use as a permitted use in our light industrial zoning. 00:21:22
But one could. 00:21:28
We already see it, and one could envision. 00:21:29
Something similar to a CrossFit gym, which is, you know, probably. 00:21:32
Pretty popular amongst unaccompanied. 00:21:37
Sailors is that? 00:21:40
We would. 00:21:42
Have a place in the type of architecture or building style that would facilitate that so. 00:21:42
Kind of opening up that use. 00:21:48
We also got a request to create sort of a commercial. 00:21:51
Pickleball. 00:21:55
Tournament area. 00:21:56
Now we're bringing that into the into the mix as well. 00:21:58
The college and or university classroom or administrative offices. 00:22:03
This is. 00:22:08
Tangential, but in line with the Pigmental studio. 00:22:12
Development there is a strong. 00:22:16
Workforce training component there. 00:22:18
This is also has some. 00:22:21
Rooted in Saint Mary's and thinking about a potential satellite campus for. 00:22:24
A local college or a State College. 00:22:30
So we've. 00:22:33
Include that educational instructional tutoring facilities and offices so we're. 00:22:34
Kind of really bringing in all of these different instructional activities and opportunities with business and trade. 00:22:39
That would be item F. 00:22:48
G is movie media production studios, businesses that supply support services, equipment and resources. 00:22:51
H is recording and developing. 00:22:58
All right. 00:23:01
One could in this language interpret item F. 00:23:08
As offering educational instructional tutoring facilities, which could mean. 00:23:12
Dormitories. 00:23:17
If we want to. 00:23:20
Tweak that, let's think. 00:23:22
Let's think about the Pigmental Studio. 00:23:25
Planned development district which we have approved. 00:23:29
In that planned development district. 00:23:32
There is the. 00:23:34
The use of. 00:23:37
Artists Loft. 00:23:38
Studio spaces which would serve as short term rentals. 00:23:40
OK. 00:23:44
We should. 00:23:47
Think about that. But here's. 00:23:49
I feel like I'm adding all of these layers of complexity this evening, so I'm sorry but. 00:23:51
Just stick with me here. 00:23:55
She has her own zoning. 00:23:57
So there there is language in the draft that talks about how. 00:23:59
A planned development district that is silent. 00:24:05
On certain uses. 00:24:09
Would fall. 00:24:11
To the overlay district and then to the underlying zoning. So that's kind of. 00:24:12
How it works that the planned development district? 00:24:16
With the overlay. 00:24:19
And then the underlying zoning? 00:24:21
So, umm. 00:24:23
I feel confident that. 00:24:24
Her planned development district, which allows for. 00:24:26
Short term rentals. 00:24:30
We'll cover that. 00:24:31
Vision. 00:24:34
Whether or not we want to add additional? 00:24:36
Dormitory style housing for educational facilities. 00:24:40
That's a question. 00:24:45
Before, before the Commission. 00:24:47
Because it's, you know, you're talking about. 00:24:49
Preserving this industrial zone. 00:24:51
Concept, uh. 00:24:54
But it kind of sounds like you're adding on. 00:24:55
As many possible uses SO as folks are trying to find. 00:24:58
Ways to use the site and generate revenue. 00:25:05
That it's been left as open as possible. 00:25:10
Yeah, yeah. And let's just, we're, we're going in, we're going down that road. So let's just talk about the special permit uses 00:25:14
that we've proposed. 00:25:18
OK, umm. 00:25:22
So the uses that I've just listed in this draft. 00:25:22
Are permitted uses. That means that. 00:25:27
They wouldn't come before you if we choose to adopt the zoning and council approves it. 00:25:30
They would not come before the Planning Commission. 00:25:35
However. 00:25:38
There are 4 special permit uses. 00:25:39
And the first two. 00:25:43
Came from the most recent update which we received from Pigmental Studios. 00:25:46
In order to facilitate. 00:25:50
The the the allowance of. 00:25:53
Data centers or data processing centers? 00:25:56
As well as this idea of energy generation. 00:26:00
Or a utility. 00:26:03
Special permit uses have standard criteria. 00:26:08
Would come before you as a board. 00:26:11
You would be able to weigh those criteria. 00:26:14
And render a decision. 00:26:17
Dina and I. 00:26:19
Have talked about this. 00:26:21
Planning practice. 00:26:24
We believe it is better. 00:26:26
To state to explicitly state a, use. 00:26:28
And to have an area. 00:26:32
Where you allow that, use. 00:26:34
Rather than be caught in a scenario. 00:26:37
Where your zoning text is silent on the use. 00:26:39
And you've got. 00:26:43
Kind of. 00:26:44
An interpretation as to how that use could. 00:26:46
Or could not be allowed. 00:26:49
So in this move. 00:26:50
We are stating it as a as a special permit use. 00:26:52
And requiring that application process. 00:26:56
Wiley, go ahead. I'm sorry. Hi, going back to Pig Mill. 00:26:59
Yes, Studios. Mm-hmm. 00:27:03
That part. 00:27:05
Is not on the airport, That's right. 00:27:08
The Swain property and they have villas. 00:27:10
And I'm not sure which property. 00:27:13
I told it could be on. 00:27:16
The property that wasn't in the airport. 00:27:17
I think it's. 00:27:21
Perhaps on this property which is not in the Commerce Park and a portion of this property which is. 00:27:22
So that's that's and you're also, you know, we want to add another layer here. 00:27:29
The Commerce. 00:27:35
When we formed. 00:27:36
Has its own. 00:27:38
Restrictive covenants. 00:27:40
That ride on the deed. 00:27:41
The deeds. 00:27:43
Of all of those properties within the Commerce Park. 00:27:44
One thing that is not permitted. 00:27:48
In the restrictive covenants. 00:27:50
Is housing of any type? 00:27:51
So we're going to have to if we should choose to go down this road. 00:27:54
We're going to have to amend the restricted coven. 00:27:57
So a lot of layers to this one, a lot of. 00:28:01
Thought and ideas and I think. 00:28:04
You know, uh. 00:28:06
Less you're right. 00:28:07
It's this is a this is a facilitation tool. 00:28:08
What we have written is a facilitation tool. 00:28:11
And I guess the reason I ask that. 00:28:14
Question and we ponder about. 00:28:16
This on other properties is this idea that. 00:28:18
When you then widen. 00:28:22
Of the eligible uses, it's not just for. 00:28:26
Who's in front of you now? 00:28:29
Talking about. 00:28:31
Something it it's. 00:28:33
Then you know subsequent folks that come along. 00:28:35
And I guess I'm concerned. 00:28:38
About that, I'm more comfortable with. 00:28:40
Some of these being as a special. 00:28:43
Permit. 00:28:45
On that, because that allows some ability to say. 00:28:46
Yes or no on these sorts of things. 00:28:50
I mean, how is the utility? 00:28:55
Generation fit with and. 00:28:58
That would make you think that this was like the. 00:29:01
You know, an endless. 00:29:03
Site at the point you began. 00:29:05
Taking up. 00:29:08
You know, part of this for dormitory housing and part of it for. 00:29:10
Utility generation and. 00:29:13
Do you have much left? 00:29:16
To actually, I would assume the. 00:29:17
Goal here is job creation. 00:29:20
Is why you would have a Commerce park. 00:29:23
Yes, and a diversity of our tax base. 00:29:27
Yes. 00:29:29
I'm going back to the core here for a minute. 00:29:33
Is it? 00:29:37
I'm having a hard time getting arms around. 00:29:38
800. 00:29:41
Basically single guys. 00:29:42
They're here on a temporary basis. 00:29:44
909 hundred. I'm sorry. 00:29:46
Well, there are 100 women, 800. 00:29:49
What could possibly go wrong? 00:29:53
With 900 single guys on a Friday night or Saturday night. 00:29:55
Loose in the city of Saint Mary's. 00:29:58
How many do we need to rebuild the tattoo parlors? 00:30:00
We need some more used car lots. 00:30:04
Obviously need some more bars. 00:30:06
Is this what we want with? 00:30:08
Aren't they already here? Yes, they're already here. 00:30:10
Well, they're too Well, they're not big enough. 00:30:14
Well, but let me just tell you that. 00:30:16
Fortunately, the military is very. 00:30:19
Strict with respect to. 00:30:21
Monitoring the behavior of their. 00:30:23
And. 00:30:27
To the even to the point where. 00:30:28
Department communities I've been involved with, they use their basic system housing. 00:30:30
A portion of their rent, if not all of the rent, wouldn't be concerned with. 00:30:36
900 If they misbehave, they lose it and they're back on base in America. 00:30:39
And so they're, they're very, they're, they're pretty well behaved. 00:30:43
I'm just saying I've got. 00:30:46
I've had a lot of experience. I haven't any other than I was. 00:30:48
In the Army and not a base? Well, Kentucky. 00:30:51
So really, you should be under scrutiny. 00:30:55
Actually, I suspect. 00:31:00
This will. 00:31:02
In some areas solve some problems where you have. 00:31:04
Four single guys renting a house with four cars parked, no one taking care of the lot. 2 of them gone for six months, the other 00:31:07
two gone for six months. 00:31:12
Ask that they're on base. No, no no they're no they're not. Compliance department can tell you differently. This will give another 00:31:17
option and it'll only be attractive to single people. You can't have a family. 00:31:24
You have a bedroom. 00:31:31
And a bathroom of your own and everything else is there. 00:31:34
We want single guys. When is the next? I mean, it's only attractive to single people. 00:31:39
Go ahead, when's the next? 00:31:45
I don't know. 00:31:49
I don't know. 00:31:50
This got a larger crew. 00:31:52
And what the subject now are? 00:31:54
And that's in the next couple of years. 00:31:59
It's when. 00:32:02
A new sub is coming in. 00:32:05
And that's going to make a difference. 00:32:08
Because I think it's true. 00:32:10
As two crews be cruising. 00:32:13
Got about 500 members. 00:32:15
Cruise now 300. 00:32:18
155 We had some information about that. 00:32:20
As part of, I think, the housing study. 00:32:25
Right, that the Navy and I thought. 00:32:27
The projected increase. 00:32:30
In a population that were related, I thought we were already. 00:32:32
At that, as opposed to there was. 00:32:38
More to come. 00:32:40
I've heard some conflicting. 00:32:42
Messaging around that I'm really not. 00:32:44
Quite sure at this point. 00:32:47
All right, let me add something plus that you were asking about. 00:32:49
And it relates to, I guess, accommodating what? 00:32:55
We know versus what the potential is in the future. 00:32:58
I have educated myself as extensively as I. 00:33:02
Possibly can with pig metal and what they're doing. 00:33:05
And one of the issues and it comes up with one of the. 00:33:08
You know, we'll talk about utility usage. 00:33:11
Is that? 00:33:14
And I don't really know. 00:33:15
I can't give you numbers about what's planned. 00:33:16
But apparently Georgia Power cannot supply. 00:33:19
Anticipated studio with power requirements that they need. 00:33:22
So there's there's some. 00:33:25
Work underway to augment that. 00:33:27
With some type of alternative energy production to satisfy their needs. 00:33:30
So I think that falls in the category of what we know now trying to. 00:33:35
Provide some accommodation to big metal. 00:33:38
So that they can move forward and meet their needs. Because I'll tell you, that's not a green light. 00:33:41
I don't know that they're moving for it. 00:33:45
You know, and I think it's a pretty valuable development to the city. 00:33:47
Umm, the other piece as it relates to. 00:33:52
Educational facilities or otherwise in pigmental is has. 00:33:55
Put some seed money in and there's other people in the community that have donated to it. 00:34:01
To work with. 00:34:05
Coastal Pines Technical College to create a trade school. 00:34:07
For lighting technicians, sound technicians. 00:34:11
Everything involved in movie studio production that doesn't that education. 00:34:14
And trade doesn't exist today. 00:34:18
And so and I think some of that may be on their campus. 00:34:20
That may occur and so. 00:34:23
At least when I hear education, that strikes me as. 00:34:25
Something we know as opposed to something we're trying to open the door with with no. 00:34:28
Explanation. But does this, does that connect to this in your mind at all? Yeah. 00:34:32
Yes, they might have someone come in who has. 00:34:36
Two months. Three months. 00:34:40
Need some place to live while they're? 00:34:42
Learning, their trade and the educational training may involve. 00:34:44
Some hands on. 00:34:48
They couldn't stay in this facility. 00:34:49
Not military, no. Has nothing to do with the military. I understand that, but this overlay encompasses the pigmental site just as 00:34:52
it does. 00:34:56
Someone leaving that and joining Sign Metal? 00:35:00
No, no. 00:35:02
I'm having trouble tying the two together. 00:35:03
Well, this overlay covers the entire airport site. It's time to pick metal not tied to the military. You're. 00:35:06
All right, Yeah. 00:35:13
Coconut and so is the any other use of housing that we've talked about? 00:35:14
Such as if pigmental needed. 00:35:21
Housing for folks coming in for training and then also for educational use. Are those all special permit uses? 00:35:23
No, I mean I think one of the follow-ups that staff will have is really. 00:35:30
Thinking about. 00:35:35
Where the planned development district sits in relation to the overlay and the underlying zoning because. 00:35:36
How I remember the approved. 00:35:43
Development District. 00:35:45
Which remember. 00:35:46
Twilights. 00:35:47
We have a sunset on PDS now. We didn't use to, but this is one of the new ones that has a sunset, so that's another. 00:35:48
Kind of thing. 00:35:55
Thing that we're thinking about here, right? 00:35:56
So, umm. 00:35:58
That did have. 00:35:59
Housing, but I remember it more as. 00:36:02
Sort of short term lodging for artists and creative types. I don't. 00:36:05
Specifically, remember. 00:36:11
Trade school. 00:36:13
Housing umm. 00:36:14
So what? What we've done very clearly. 00:36:15
In this overlay. 00:36:19
Is to allow for a trade school. 00:36:20
The administrative offices. 00:36:24
The training facilities, you know, all of the things associated with the trade school. I don't think the language. 00:36:26
Really goes far enough. 00:36:34
To call out. 00:36:36
Housing. 00:36:37
It just kind of says facilities. 00:36:38
If we wanted to call out housing, we could do that. 00:36:40
If we wanted to make that style of housing a special permit use. 00:36:44
We could do that. 00:36:48
It seems like. 00:36:49
Trying to support this concept. 00:36:50
Of an industrial. 00:36:53
Area light industrial, heavy whatever that making sure that those uses related to that. 00:36:55
Would make sense. 00:37:02
So having it as a special permit. 00:37:03
Usage. 00:37:06
And being able to vet those, yeah. 00:37:07
We could also do when we grappled with. 00:37:10
How to handle? 00:37:13
The commercial pod. 00:37:15
At the very northern the proposed commercial pot. 00:37:17
At the northern run of the airport. 00:37:20
One of the zoning. 00:37:22
Kind of tricks that we tinkered with. 00:37:24
Is talking about. 00:37:26
Commercial uses that are ancillary to. 00:37:28
An industrial and manufacturing use. 00:37:32
So, uh. 00:37:34
That's another trick. 00:37:35
Where we could say. 00:37:37
Dormitory Dormitories style housing. 00:37:39
Which is ancillary to a trade school or educational facility. 00:37:42
That's one approach. 00:37:47
Or we could take the special permit. 00:37:49
Approach. 00:37:50
I mean from my background in doing economic development at the state level. 00:37:51
We would be looking at well. 00:37:57
The jobs that are being created. 00:37:59
Are they actually paying enough that a person. 00:38:01
Couldn't afford housing? 00:38:03
Without having a dormitory. 00:38:05
Made available. 00:38:08
For them so I can see. 00:38:09
Dormitory. 00:38:10
Or some kind of training sort of thing. But if. 00:38:12
Creating an industrial. 00:38:16
Park that the workers. 00:38:18
Can't afford housing unless we. 00:38:20
Provide a dormitory for them to live in. 00:38:22
I don't think that's a good thing long term for the community. 00:38:25
So that's why I'm thinking by this special use permit. 00:38:27
To be able to vet these. 00:38:31
And has some criteria on that. 00:38:33
And then? 00:38:35
Have we? 00:38:36
You know, we also have another item on the. 00:38:38
Tonight's agenda? 00:38:41
We keep adding things along. 00:38:43
Douglas. 00:38:47
And traffic and Douglas is a very narrow. 00:38:48
Mm-hmm. Curving Rd. with no berms. 00:38:53
We had discussion about, you know, when. 00:38:56
The Commerce park was developed and would. 00:38:59
Trucks and things be. 00:39:01
Using that. 00:39:03
I guess there I do have a concern as we keep adding things, I mean 900 people. 00:39:06
I'm assuming they all have their own car probably. 00:39:11
And so. 00:39:15
That's a lot of vehicle. 00:39:17
Traffic. 00:39:20
I mean this, this hasn't really come up in this process. I totally agree with you. I think that when we did the Pigmental studio 00:39:21
plan development district. 00:39:26
We agreed that a traffic study would need to be done eventually. 00:39:31
To if for nothing other than just create. 00:39:36
Truck routes. 00:39:39
You know, and how the site should be accessed so. 00:39:40
You know, we should give that some consideration. 00:39:43
As we, you know and I think when it was first mentioned about the base housing. 00:39:47
It was kind of conceived of as being sort of. 00:39:53
Separated. 00:39:56
From the rest of the industrial park. 00:39:58
So, umm. 00:40:00
Is it still? 00:40:01
With this as an overlay, and I guess I asked that because that would then relate to. 00:40:02
Access points. 00:40:07
For roadways. 00:40:09
I think the best way to answer that is. 00:40:12
To kind of. 00:40:15
Walk us through the. 00:40:17
Nope, not here. 00:40:19
Maybe here? 00:40:21
Walk us through this concept plan a little bit so. 00:40:23
This, and I don't know if you can, yeah, you can kind of see this. 00:40:28
So point Peter Rd. here. 00:40:31
There is at the northern rung of the airport there is a prop. 00:40:34
Post Roadway. 00:40:37
That will exit out there, so a form of. 00:40:40
Entrance or or exit? 00:40:43
That commercial pot, as I understand it. 00:40:46
Will be open to the public. 00:40:49
It will be developed by the Military Housing Authority. 00:40:50
Because they wanted a. 00:40:54
You know, some sort of place where you could go and get provisions or you know, something to eat or something like that close by. 00:40:56
Then. 00:41:02
Housing begins. 00:41:05
Will be gated. 00:41:07
Both on the northern part. 00:41:09
And, umm. 00:41:12
On the southern part. 00:41:13
The idea is that the Military Housing Authority will extend Brick Hill Rd. 00:41:14
There'll be sort of a clubhouse Orient. 00:41:20
Type of area at the southern portion and then the housing will begin. 00:41:23
So there will be no. 00:41:28
Through traffic. 00:41:30
For the public. 00:41:32
But uh. 00:41:33
This uh. 00:41:34
Community, uh. 00:41:35
Will most. 00:41:36
Likely will. 00:41:38
Traverse. 00:41:39
Brick Hill Rd. 00:41:40
And Point Peter Rd. 00:41:42
So when you say extend, you mean builders drive? 00:41:44
Yes. 00:41:48
As opposed to brick. 00:41:49
Yes, builder strike. Did I say Brick Hill? I'm sorry. Yes, builder strike. The kind of the water jutting. 00:41:51
Well, you know the seed. 00:41:57
Builders drive. 00:41:59
So off of point Peter built the shrine cuts through to Douglas. 00:42:00
Builder striving comes into the other end of this house. Some of the other things that we've done is the overlay itself has some 00:42:05
significant site design criteria. So again, you know, at every pass we're trying to ensure that. 00:42:13
Our new development or are significantly rehab development. 00:42:21
Comes with. 00:42:25
You know, lighting, landscaping, proper signage, proper site maintenance. So. 00:42:26
You'll see that embedded in the overlay as well. 00:42:32
So we have a question here. So the red circled area. 00:42:35
On this. 00:42:40
Handout. Yeah, that's not. 00:42:41
The location for the housing itself, that's for the commercial, that's for the commercial. So another. So how far over does does 00:42:43
the housing come all the way out to where builders drive currently dead ends? 00:42:48
Parcel 12, that will be sort of maybe part of the security gate, OK. Yeah. So it comes all the way. So it comes out, Yeah, OK. 00:42:55
And that is almost that red circle is a reminder to ourselves. 00:43:04
You know, as staff rather than trying to figure out. 00:43:10
How to talking about? 00:43:13
Future uses and potential uses. 00:43:14
We were trying to figure out how we could. 00:43:18
Accommodate the desired commercial use for the military housing. 00:43:21
Authorities, uh. 00:43:26
Development. 00:43:28
But also not open up. 00:43:29
All the other parcels in the overlay. 00:43:31
To commercial development. 00:43:34
Why not just have them right across Douglas in the industrial park sites that you're trying to sell? 00:43:35
Because those are part of DASM, the development authority of Saint Mary's. Part of their charter right is that it can't go to 00:43:40
certain uses. I'm not sure about commercial. 00:43:46
And they wanted it. 00:43:52
Right next to them. 00:43:53
OK. 00:43:54
I would say. 00:43:56
That some alternative access and I know that's not part of this. 00:43:57
You know what we're talking about tonight. It's not shown on the plan. 00:44:02
But it would seem like either from Douglas or Point Peter, some alternative access would be necessary. 00:44:05
Yeah, absolutely necessary, because you cannot. 00:44:10
Funneled 900 cars a day. 00:44:13
You know, in and out of. 00:44:16
The existing entrances to the park. 00:44:18
OK. But so just to be clear, there will be a new road? 00:44:20
A new entrance point. 00:44:26
At the northern right of the airport, that will go out onto Point Peter. 00:44:27
OK, so if we if I bring it up on the map here, it's a little bit easier to see. 00:44:31
So that would be within the circle. 00:44:38
Yeah, yes. 00:44:41
Within the circle. 00:44:44
So they first could up, they could first access the commercial and then go through a gate into the house. 00:44:45
So. 00:44:50
But that's a lot of cars. 00:44:51
Emptying on the point, Peter. 00:44:53
Conceptually all going to the base. 00:44:58
So they're either going to take the long way around to the main gate or they will open the back gate. 00:45:01
But that also is where all the traffic coming across the North Causeway. 00:45:07
Is going through also. 00:45:12
That's right. 00:45:14
And that's kind of a. 00:45:16
A lively spot at times. 00:45:17
To make those. 00:45:20
Term. So if we add. 00:45:21
900 cars. 00:45:23
Without some significant changes. 00:45:26
That would be it. And this year. 00:45:29
With the are they going to put? 00:45:34
Entrance also over Douglas. 00:45:36
I don't believe so, not other than the terminus of. 00:45:40
Brick Hill. 00:45:43
But this this development, the proposed development will not. 00:45:45
Kind of break. 00:45:49
The parcel. 00:45:50
Any further? 00:45:51
But they could come out, build or drive. 00:45:52
Onto Brick Hill and go out. 00:45:54
On Douglas that way. 00:45:56
So I had a question from when I was kind of. 00:46:10
Leafing through. 00:46:14
So in the. 00:46:15
In the handout you had on section 110. 00:46:18
This goes. 00:46:22
The development district pet peeve that I was talking to Tina about So. 00:46:24
This. 00:46:29
Talks about. 00:46:30
And let's see. 00:46:32
Under 11070. 00:46:35
For district standards on item. 00:46:36
2D about outdoor and open storage being visually screened by shrubbery. 00:46:40
So we have. 00:46:48
And what Dina thought at the time was. 00:46:51
That that's. 00:46:53
Wouldn't affect properties that are facing under. 00:46:54
Point, Peter. 00:46:57
But these properties are all shaded. 00:46:58
On this map, which would make me believe that they are included. 00:47:01
Yeah, in that. 00:47:05
So. 00:47:06
I have. 00:47:11
Had very. 00:47:12
Productive conversations with two large. 00:47:13
Industrial site. 00:47:17
Owners who happen to. 00:47:18
Front or back? 00:47:21
However you want but. 00:47:22
But have visible storage spaces along Point Peter Rd. 00:47:23
In addition to that. 00:47:28
At the last council meeting. 00:47:30
Concerned citizen did express to Council. 00:47:33
They are tired. 00:47:37
Of seeing these storage materials. 00:47:39
So I think in a in a true. 00:47:42
Carrot stick approach here. 00:47:45
We are. 00:47:47
We are securing. 00:47:49
The underlying light industrial zoning. 00:47:52
We are introducing. 00:47:56
Potentially introducing. 00:47:58
A use in proximity to that zoning which is not. 00:48:00
A threat? 00:48:04
To those operations. 00:48:05
And in that. 00:48:06
Carrot perhaps? 00:48:07
Perhaps. 00:48:09
And I will. 00:48:10
Ask that those storage areas be. 00:48:11
At the very least. 00:48:15
Sort of the. 00:48:17
Green mesh or black mesh that hangs? 00:48:19
On the chain link fence and I do think that. 00:48:22
The two owners that I spoke to are open to that. 00:48:25
They're, you know, they're, they're happy about this, this move, this change. 00:48:29
They're open to that. They want to invest in their properties now, knowing that. 00:48:33
We're not putting. 00:48:38
A Margarita bill. 00:48:39
I mean, there's a wonderful example on I think. 00:48:41
Dilworth of a guy who has been. 00:48:44
Planting. I think it's climbing fig. 00:48:46
And it looks fabulous. That's that's all that's really needed here. 00:48:50
To kind of screen that. 00:48:54
I mean if we had a junkyard somewhere. 00:48:56
We would be immediately saying hey. 00:48:58
You gotta screen that OK. 00:49:00
All right. I do think that that will be part of the discussion. 00:49:02
I would like to continue our outreach to the properties along Industrial Drive. 00:49:07
You know, informing them of what we're doing, why we're doing it. 00:49:13
Why we'd like to do it. 00:49:17
And then also. 00:49:19
Ask for some improvements along. 00:49:20
Point Peter Rd. 00:49:23
All right, I also want to say that, umm. 00:49:25
We haven't really talked about it too much, but. 00:49:30
Special permit use of energy generation. 00:49:32
In, you know, researching this a little bit and sniffing around. 00:49:37
How we would do this? 00:49:41
This really? 00:49:43
It's almost. 00:49:45
Kind of silly. 00:49:46
To bring it up in local zoning because. 00:49:47
It would require. 00:49:49
Players beyond us and. 00:49:51
You know, we're sort of doing our part to facilitate perhaps. 00:49:55
A need, but this area does have restrictive use easements. 00:49:59
On it that are put in place by the Navy. 00:50:06
You know, we've been in communication with them about some of, about all of these things. They've reviewed this, they're, they're 00:50:09
comfortable with this. 00:50:12
But ultimately, they have a say in the review. 00:50:16
And I think that. 00:50:20
Department of Energy might even have a say in that type of review. So, you know, it's not, I don't want us to think that we're 00:50:21
welcoming in, you know. 00:50:25
Some sort of new massive coke? 00:50:30
Plant or something. It's not that it's it's. 00:50:32
It's kind of just a. 00:50:36
A small token. 00:50:38
Willingness to. 00:50:40
So we'll take that. 00:50:41
Do you need the Planning Commission to? 00:50:46
Vote or do anything at this point or we're simply you've gotten our comments. 00:50:51
And then it'll come back in September. Yeah, Yep. So we don't need any action here. This is purely a work session. 00:50:55
Those of you that that follow our agendas and have noticed tonight we have withdrawn the overlay district and here's. 00:51:01
Why that happened? 00:51:10
To really do this. 00:51:13
Process, right. It is both a zoning text amendment. 00:51:14
Which is the section 110-74 that you've got that draft. 00:51:18
And it is also a. 00:51:23
Map Amendment. 00:51:25
To, you know, actually change the zoning on these identified parcels. 00:51:27
And so. 00:51:31
When we first. 00:51:33
Wrote our legal notice. We didn't approach it in those two ways. 00:51:35
So, umm. 00:51:39
Rather than. 00:51:40
You know, trying to do anything that would be confusing and not transparently withdrew that. 00:51:41
It will go out in the paper again. 00:51:47
Surrounding property owners will get. 00:51:49
Letters Again, we will hold the public hearing to public hearings on both the text amendment and the map amendment. 00:51:51
At your September 9th. 00:51:58
So we're really just getting the. 00:52:02
Subdivision part of that. 00:52:04
Handled. Yeah, tonight. Is that splitting of work? 00:52:06
The creation of. 00:52:09
12A and 12B, that's an agenda item. 00:52:11
At your regular meeting. 00:52:14
All right. 00:52:21
Do we have any other business here? 00:52:23
All right. Do we have a motion? 00:52:27
We have a second. 00:52:30
All right, all those in favor. 00:52:32
All right, that closes the working. 00:52:35
Session and then according to the clock on the wall we have about 6 minutes. 00:52:37
Until we'll start our regular. 00:52:42