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	Good evening.	00:00:18
	Call to order the.	00:00:19
	City Council meeting for.	00:00:21
	October 6th.	00:00:23
	And we'll begin with our invocation from.	00:00:25
	Councilmember King.	00:00:28
	Gracious and loving God, we come before you this evening with grateful hearts.	00:00:33
	Seeking your wisdom and guidance as we serve our community.	00:00:38
	Bless this council and our management team.	00:00:42
	With discernment, compassion, and integrity.	00:00:46
	That every decision will reflect justice.	00:00:49
	Kindness and fiscal responsibility for the well-being of our citizens.	00:00:52
	May we work together in unity, honoring the trust place.	00:00:58
	Describing always to uplift those we represent.	00:01:02
	In our holy name.	00:01:06
	We pray.	00:01:07
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:01:11
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:14
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:16
	One nation on the indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:19
	Ma'am, Kirk, we'll have a roll call, please.	00:01:28
	Yes, Sir.	00:01:29
	Councilman Jones post one.	00:01:30
	I'm here, Councilman Connor Post 2. I'm here.	00:01:32
	Councilman Ingram House 3 here.	00:01:35
	Councilman Nascimento Post 4.	00:01:39
	Councilman Rasi Post 5.	00:01:42
	Councilman King post 6 here.	00:01:44
	Mayor Lockhart.	00:01:47
	I'm here, ma'am. Sir, we have a quorum.	00:01:48
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you. And for the purposes of.	00:01:50
	Then it's a unanimous vote will be 5.	00:01:53
	Yes, Sir.	00:01:55
	Our first item is approval of our minutes from the September 15th.	00:01:57
	City Council meeting, work session.	00:02:01
	Mini development redevelopment tax incentive.	00:02:03
	Program blighted properties and regular.	00:02:05
	And the October 2nd.	00:02:08
	Fourth quarter developers Progress updated Town Hall.	00:02:10
	Make a motion we approve.	00:02:13
	Motion by Mr. Connor, second.	00:02:15
	Second by Miss King.	00:02:16
	Any discussion?	00:02:18
	All those in favor.	00:02:19
	Aye, any opposed?	00:02:21
	That's unanimous, man.	00:02:23
	Yes, Sir.	00:02:24
	Right, next thing is.	00:02:26
	The board appointment, so we have a new board, the Tax Allocation district #3 Advisory Board, still looking for one member to fill	00:02:29
	out.	00:02:33
	That board.	00:02:38
	And we have the.	00:02:40
	Board appointment for the Camden County Board of Education. Sex education structural review.	00:02:42
	Committee.	00:02:47
	So if you have an interest in serving in any of those capacities?	00:02:48
	Please see our clerk.	00:02:52
	With an application.	00:02:53
	The report of our authorities, boards and commissions we have our finance for.	00:02:56
	Report and that.	00:03:00
	Looks like this murder is going to be.	00:03:02
	Good evening Mayor and Council, in your packets you will find the financial report of the cities revenue and expenses	00:03:04
	expenditures.	00:03:08
	Through August 2025.	00:03:12
	Which is the second month of fiscal year 2026. Do you have any questions?	00:03:15
	No man, Good report.	00:03:20
	All right. Thank you.	00:03:23
	And that leads us to the report of our city.	00:03:26
	Mr. Horror.	00:03:29
	Mayor and council citizens.	00:03:39
	First off, let me start by saying I'm not sick.	00:03:43
	But I do have silences.	00:03:46
	And it's I have.	00:03:48
	Doctor Moreno, I have been wearing my protective equipment.	00:03:50
	So it is.	00:03:54
	Silences. That's a whole different discussion.	00:03:55
	Anyway, demolition of the Old City pool. Anderson Environmental has completed the lead.	00:03:58
	Asbestos abatement project.	00:04:03
	The city has received a report from Anderson Environmental.	00:04:05
	That the project is clear.	00:04:09
	We're still waiting on the final disposal certification to closeout projects.	00:04:11
	Saying we received that public works crews.	00:04:15
	Can begin demolition process and will utilize the project train heavy equipment operators.	00:04:18
	That are on staff.	00:04:24
	On how to use the big stuff.	00:04:25
	In the right of way, mowing our city crews.	00:04:28
	Route for city cruises down to 14 days after contracting additional Rd. sections and waterfront Park.	00:04:31
	As the crews are able to get.	00:04:38
	Caught up on items such as edging?	00:04:40
	We would expect the route time to decrease even further.	00:04:43
	To a goal of 10 days.	00:04:47
	The downtown mowing.	00:04:49
	Non contracted.	00:04:51
	Are running on a six day route.	00:04:52
	Schedule.	00:04:54
	We are working towards a goal to get this down to five day schedule.	00:04:55
	Our contractors. Coastal Greenery.	00:04:59
	And Addie's Lawn Care working on their respective roadway sections, sidewalk and curb edging has been a topic of concern from	00:05:02
	residents due to weed.	00:05:06
	Killers being used instead of the mechanical.	00:05:11
	Contractors have been made aware of.	00:05:14
	Not to use the weed killer for edging, but only for cracks and joint weed control.	00:05:17
	Landscape Innovations has completed the removal and replacement of stone paper walkways.	00:05:24
	In the first row, medium on Osborne.	00:05:31
	With a cannon.	00:05:33
	This cruise as of 10/3.	00:05:36
	The ditch crew number one is 75% complete on outfall ditches and ditch crew #2.	00:05:39
	Just completed the ditches in the Palmetto St. area.	00:05:45
	They'll be moving towards the Douglas Drive.	00:05:48
	Florence St.	00:05:51
	Area.	00:05:52
	Ditch Crew 2 is currently repairing a leak.	00:05:53
	Storm drain inlet on stable alley and cleaning ditches throughout the city.	00:05:56
	That are urgent need of planning.	00:06:00
	Yellow Place drainage project.	00:06:03
	Public works staff has received the signed easements.	00:06:05
	From the three property owners and have sent.	00:06:08
	Sent them to the city of Tony for recording.	00:06:10
	Once the easements have been recorded, the city can move in to establish the necessary swell.	00:06:13
	To help mitigate the backyard drainage issue there.	00:06:18
	The Palmetto St. drainage.	00:06:22
	The Public Works Department is currently working to secure a surveyor.	00:06:24
	From survey and legal descriptions needed to submit to the city attorney.	00:06:28
	To draft.	00:06:33
	They use my agreement.	00:06:34
	For the property owner to song.	00:06:35
	For Council, there's a drawing in your.	00:06:38
	A map in your packet.	00:06:41
	So you can see it.	00:06:43
	The Coleraine Rd.	00:06:44
	Winding Rd. Roundabout, State of Kingsland, City of Saint Mary's have teamed up on this project including design, permit and	00:06:46
	construction.	00:06:49
	The city will take the lead on the project and see if Saint Mary's having collaborative.	00:06:53
	Input through the whole process.	00:06:57
	With expenses being split 5050 between two cities.	00:06:59
	The RFP's.	00:07:04
	Are to be open on October 9th at 2:00 PM.	00:07:05
	We are planning to be there.	00:07:08
	The Lemig Project Lemig projects for 25.	00:07:12
	And 25 Cemental are being prepared to send out for construction bids.	00:07:16
	The Lameg 26.	00:07:21
	Projects are being developed to submit to City Council for.	00:07:23
	Approval process.	00:07:26
	To submittal to G dot.	00:07:27
	Trash cans on Osborne St. New trash cans.	00:07:31
	Five of them are scheduled to be delivered on the 6th.	00:07:35
	Which was today.	00:07:39
	Once they're arrived, they'll be assembled and they will be installed on Osborne St. ON.	00:07:41
	From Saint Mary St. to Dillingham St. that's public.	00:07:45
	Trash cans.	00:07:49
	Like you see at the waterfront.	00:07:50
	The black ones with the fangs and the bonnet and the whole 9 yards.	00:07:53
	We had our RFP opening from the tennis courts and had no bidders.	00:07:59
	Mr. Williams is reaching out.	00:08:03
	To make contact with vendors and get price quotes. We were hoping to have something for you tonight but.	00:08:05
	We're still waiting on a couple of bids.	00:08:11
	OK, we had our RFP opening for the front porch repairs of tourism building with only one bit.	00:08:13
	Staff is still reviewing the proposal as time.	00:08:21
	You know we'll have it in front of you one way or another here very shortly.	00:08:24
	We have reached out to GMC regarding the stormwater program of getting a price.	00:08:29
	On getting the information updated.	00:08:34
	And help.	00:08:36
	Getting the building set up for that.	00:08:37
	Utility. We've also been working on how we're going to handle utility.	00:08:40
	Internally, the staff that we currently have.	00:08:45
	We have hope to have it wrapped up in the upcoming weeks.	00:08:49
	For everybody that's in the audience and listening.	00:08:54
	Online, please listen to this.	00:08:58
	The Department of Natural Resources will be placing a used oyster shell collection dumpster at the Meeting St. boat ramp.	00:09:01
	As early as next Friday.	00:09:09
	This initiative is a part of a statewide effort to collect and report.	00:09:11
	Holster shells.	00:09:15
	For habitat restoration and shoreline protection.	00:09:19
	The program has proven successful.	00:09:22
	At other darks throughout Georgia and the DNR believes our location will serve.	00:09:25
	As a great addition to these efforts.	00:09:29
	They will be providing additional information soon.	00:09:31
	Posting on our website. No assistance or permits are required from the city.	00:09:36
	As the lease agreement for the dock allows for these types.	00:09:40
	Collection programs.	00:09:43
	So when they you go down to put your boat in at the meeting states Meeting St. boat ramp.	00:09:45
	You see the dumpster? It's not for trash, it's for oyster ships.	00:09:50
	So we'll have more information on that coming soon.	00:09:54
	Mr. Mayor, that concludes my report for sooner.	00:09:57
	Unless someone has a question.	00:10:00
	Will this agreement with DNR for the oyster shells?	00:10:02
	Have any language in there about how often they will?	00:10:07
	Collecting empty those things. That's to prohibit them from becoming.	00:10:10
	I want to risk.	00:10:14
	Owners.	00:10:17
	And as soon as we know, I will let you know. They contacted me today about this program.	00:10:20
	We're just trying to get that information out as quick as possible.	00:10:25
	OK. Thank you.	00:10:29
	Anyone else?	00:10:31
	All right. Thank you, Mr. Thank you.	00:10:33
	OK, we'll move to.	00:10:37
	Set our consent agenda.	00:10:38
	So 4.	00:10:43
	We have no old business items for new business. We have the.	00:10:44
	A authorization to issue notice of non renewal of marketing agreement with Utility Service Partners Private Label, Inc.	00:10:47
	DBA Home service service line.	00:10:55
	Warranty of America program.	00:10:57
	The Historic Preservation Fund grant award for.	00:11:03
	Preservation Commission. Community design guidelines.	00:11:07
	From Georgia Department of Community Affairs Historic Preservation Division.	00:11:11
	See Designing for Resilience through Estuary Restoration and Defense Community Professional Services agreement.	00:11:17
	For engineering and design services with Black and Viatch.	00:11:24
	National Fish and Wildlife Foundation Spine Program.	00:11:29
	Can't stand?	00:11:32
	The National Flood Insurance Program Community rating System Program for public information. Annual report approval.	00:11:37
	OK, discuss.	00:11:50
	All right Item E Professional services contract for geographic information systems with Kotional.	00:11:55
	Regional Commission.	00:12:01
	Discuss.	00:12:03
	Since you'll be up anyway.	00:12:04
	Item F Annual external financial and compliance audit services contract for Malden Jenkins certified public accountants.	00:12:09
	Don't say.	00:12:16
	G Winding Rd. Trail project right of way acquisition services task order number two amendment #3.	00:12:20
	Consider.	00:12:28
	Item 8. Saint Mary's Harbor LLC new alcohol license consent.	00:12:32
	And Item I rescind resolution and quick claim D for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary's Civic Park and Lake Saint Mary's.	00:12:40
	Hammond County Public Service Authority September 15th, 2025 City Council meeting.	00:12:47
	Discuss.	00:12:51
	OK, so for.	00:12:55
	The consent agenda, we have items.	00:12:58
	ABC.	00:13:00
	FG and H.	00:13:03
	So with that, we'll have granting audience to the public.	00:13:07
	So if you have anything.	00:13:11
	Would you like to talk to us about?	00:13:13
	The items on the agenda otherwise.	00:13:14
	Please come through the microphone, give us your name and address and.	00:13:17
	Try to keep your comments to.	00:13:21
	5 minutes or less.	00:13:22
	But since 816 Riverview Dr.	00:13:37
	Two things.	00:13:43
	The item.	00:13:44
	Annual external financial.	00:13:49
	Or compliance or the service contract.	00:13:52
	You know.	00:13:55
	I know y'all won't send it out.	00:13:57
	And like this is, we only had one.	00:13:58
	And I'm kind of wondering you.	00:14:02
	Where is, by the way, 6600.	00:14:05
	Aberdeen.	00:14:07
	Street sweet toner. Is that in Saint Marys?	00:14:10
	In Savannah, I believe.	00:14:12
	Oh.	00:14:14
	Savannah.	00:14:16
	OK.	00:14:17
	So Mr. Blunt and all you guys ain't taking a chance, ain't going for it.	00:14:19
	They don't do audit services like this very specialized field.	00:14:23
	All the same was sweet 200, so I didn't know where it was, you know, I mean, all right.	00:14:29
	I want to go back to.	00:14:35
	Scrubby Bluff.	00:14:41
	You know.	00:14:44
	You know, uh.	00:14:45
	When we get to.	00:14:47
	When I'm trying to think of where.	00:14:50
	That whole area, the shell BPKOA map.	00:14:52
	Those are come up.	00:14:56
	That comes up under scenarios.	00:14:58
	City of Saint Mary's.	00:15:01
	I think most of the properties on the West side of the Interstate are city of Kingsland.	00:15:03
	On Well, there's a little piece there. Let's see what it.	00:15:09
	Science starts OK, for example.	00:15:11
	Where the pilot is PIL.	00:15:13
	The street The street itself does go down to Saint Mary's.	00:15:15
	And I think there's a piece of there's a parcel down there somewhere that's flagged in.	00:15:18
	But most of.	00:15:22
	What's on the West Side?	00:15:23
	Is insidious king.	00:15:25
	Even the pilot.	00:15:27
	The pilot feasted on our side is.	00:15:29
	Well, there's a pilot. Pilot on the east side is Saint Mary's. Pilot on the West side is Kings. And I'm pretty sure, yes, yes.	00:15:33
	Also, everything on that side is.	00:15:40
	Basically.	00:15:42
	Kingsland.	00:15:44
	But they put a.	00:15:45
	Yeah, that sign up there showing a way back.	00:15:46
	The koe and all that stuff, all that the beat the BP and shell.	00:15:49
	All that belongs to Kingston.	00:15:53
	Wow, I didn't know that.	00:15:54
	OK, that says a lot then.	00:16:00
	You know that, Kiwi?	00:16:03
	Coach parking and all that stuff. Or less Kingsland.	00:16:04
	Oh, I didn't know that.	00:16:09
	I thought I was 5 Saint Mary's.	00:16:11
	We understand my video, that's why.	00:16:15
	Thank you, Sir.	00:16:17
	Thank you, Bert.	00:16:18
	Honey White, 102 Sylvia.	00:16:37
	I'm glad to see that you're concerning.	00:16:41
	Item A under new business.	00:16:43
	Which is not to renew the.	00:16:45
	The contract with this company.	00:16:47
	That's been used in the city of Saint Mary's.	00:16:49
	Emblem.	00:16:52
	Under envelopes, milling out advertisements.	00:16:53
	The property owners.	00:16:55
	Thinking that it's dealing with us.	00:16:57
	With the consent of the.	00:16:59
	Saint Mary's government.	00:17:01
	And I read through your.	00:17:03
	And I don't think they have a leg to stand on when you don't remove.	00:17:04
	We know our our.	00:17:08
	Contracts with them, I think that probably is up in February, I think.	00:17:10
	You have to do a 90 day.	00:17:14
	Notification that you're not going to redo the contract with them.	00:17:15
	So I hope that's true.	00:17:19
	The other thing is on item I.	00:17:22
	I'm not sure exactly what that means.	00:17:25
	And since I was just.	00:17:27
	Today.	00:17:29
	To the to the agenda, I would like a better exclamation from.	00:17:30
	Councilwoman Keene as to why.	00:17:35
	She wants to rescind us.	00:17:38
	Agreement with the county.	00:17:39
	We'll do that when we discuss it.	00:17:42
	Dave Schmidt's 112 new Hammock Circle up in shadow on.	00:17:53
	Just wanted to remind everybody that the 25th.	00:17:59
	Of October Saturday.	00:18:02
	Is, I believe, the 10th annual.	00:18:04
	Alzheimer's walked for.	00:18:07
	Camden County.	00:18:09
	Thank you.	00:18:12
	Start start to have the water from.	00:18:14
	And then ends at the waterfront park.	00:18:18
	All right, there's no one else we'll forget.	00:18:30
	OK, I'm sorry, no.	00:18:33
	Have a question?	00:18:34
	Have a question? Jamie Galvez, 1007 McDowell.	00:18:37
	Saint Mary's.	00:18:41
	McGowan St.	00:18:42
	Rezoning of the industrial.	00:18:44
	Park.	00:18:46
	When will that come on the agenda?	00:18:47
	Or does it have to go through the next meeting?	00:18:50
	Yeah, it's already been. It's already been done.	00:18:53
	Yeah. So, yeah, we so.	00:18:55
	That's right. So the.	00:18:58
	You tell them that the commerce park or the industrial park? Industrial park with little airports at.	00:18:59
	But yeah, the same Thomas part we do. We did that at the last meeting.	00:19:05
	Sorry fast. Sorry fast.	00:19:09
	Yes, Sir.	00:19:11
	Could you please repeat your name?	00:19:12
	An address for the clerk.	00:19:14
	Jaime for statement. Nobody ever spelled it.	00:19:16
	Galvez. Same thing. GALAVIZ.	00:19:20
	1007 McDowell Street, Saint Mary's.	00:19:24
	Thank you. Second.	00:19:27
	OK. Thank you very much.	00:19:29
	All right, there's someone else Will.	00:19:39
	Vote on our consent agenda. So once again to.	00:19:42
	We have items.	00:19:48
	ABC.	00:19:51
	FG and H on our consent agenda. I have a motion to approve.	00:19:54
	So moved.	00:19:57
	2nd.	00:19:59
	And motion by.	00:20:01
	I'm seeing him a second by Mr. Jones.	00:20:02
	Any discussion?	00:20:04
	All those in favor.	00:20:06
	Aye.	00:20:07
	Any opposed?	00:20:09
	OK. That's unanimous.	00:20:10
	Yes, Sir.	00:20:11
	And now have a motion to approve the agenda.	00:20:12
	From the Miss Keene.	00:20:16
	Any other?	00:20:19
	Questions or comments? All those in favor, aye?	00:20:20
	Aye, any post.	00:20:23
	Yes, Sir.	00:20:26
	OK. So that takes us into our new business and.	00:20:28
	I do want to comment, Mr. White, you brought it up on Item A.	00:20:31
	Just so everyone knows.	00:20:36
	Like you said that.	00:20:38
	We're moving forward with the steps to cancel that, but.	00:20:40
	The contract goes on until early next year, February, March and so.	00:20:44
	You may still yet receive letters.	00:20:48
	But the process is underway.	00:20:51
	OK. And with that we've got item.	00:20:53
	D The National Flood Insurance Program Community rating.	00:20:57
	Miss Stein is going to address.	00:21:00
	Thank you, Council members and Mayor, and thank you, Madam Clerk, for.	00:21:05
	Queuing up this presentation.	00:21:10
	So about this time every year, the Community Development Department.	00:21:12
	Issues what's called the Program for Public Information report.	00:21:17
	This has to do with our participation in the Community rating system, which is part of the National Flood Insurance Program.	00:21:23
	So in the report that you've received, I just wanted to go over.	00:21:30
	A few key items.	00:21:33
	I also wanted to let you know that.	00:21:35
	Typically we do an annual recertification of this program.	00:21:37
	But on.	00:21:43
	September 1st I did receive an e-mail.	00:21:45
	In which FEMA has announced that the CRS program.	00:21:49
	Will no longer be.	00:21:54
	Have a recertification review.	00:21:56
	So typically by October 15th my office has to send.	00:22:00
	All the information in.	00:22:04
	To kind of an auditor.	00:22:06
	And they look at all of the work that we've done over the year.	00:22:08
	And they give us.	00:22:11
	Recertification of our levels of participation in the program.	00:22:14
	This year, due to a reduction in funding, they won't be doing it, but they just ask that we continue to operate business as usual.	00:22:19
	So that's what we're going to continue doing.	00:22:24
	So the program for public information, this is a report that is tipped.	00:22:29
	Typically the same every year.	00:22:34
	But I did.	00:22:36
	Highlight a few key things for members of the public.	00:22:38
	So our website, on the Community Development Department's website, there is a section on floodplain management. There are several	00:22:42
	great resources in there, particularly related to knowing your flood zone, the city's flood map.	00:22:48
	Different resources for flood protection.	00:22:56
	We also have repetitive loss mailing, so every year my department will send letters.	00:23:00
	To those properties which have experienced repetitive losses due to flooding.	00:23:06
	We also for any of you that are in the floodplain.	00:23:11
	Probably received a brochure from us that looks something like this.	00:23:16
	So that's part of our annual communications.	00:23:20
	And we also do public announcements. I did one at the.	00:23:23
	Work session.	00:23:26
	Or the development progress?	00:23:28
	Last week and we're doing it again here.	00:23:31
	A couple of new exciting things, though.	00:23:33
	Under the leadership of the county's floodplain manager, a woman named Miss.	00:23:35
	Tassie Turpin.	00:23:41
	She has reengaged A countrywide group.	00:23:43
	Of stakeholders that will meet on a quarterly basis.	00:23:47
	To review our program for public information.	00:23:51
	And see if we can come up with some creative ways.	00:23:54
	To get more information out there and more participation.	00:23:56
	And a great thing about that is that she's engaged the city of Kingsland, which is new to this year's program.	00:24:00
	She's also engaged someone from the real estate sector.	00:24:06
	As well as someone from the home insurance sector. So we look forward to continuing those quarterly meetings.	00:24:10
	In future.	00:24:16
	And one little tidbit of.	00:24:18
	Of data.	00:24:21
	Every year starting we stopped counting October 1st, so October to October.	00:24:22
	We tally all of the certificates of occupancy that have been issued for new structures in the floodplain.	00:24:29
	And this last year we CEO 36 new structures in the floodplain.	00:24:35
	Any questions?	00:24:41
	I I do have a question.	00:24:42
	This is great and I love to hear that there's going to be some.	00:24:45
	Meetings about public information.	00:24:49
	Will we be getting out any information for people that may be building or remodeling in a floodplain so that they're very aware of	00:24:53
	certain?	00:24:58
	Special code requirements.	00:25:04
	In a floodplain.	00:25:07
	Yes, so typically.	00:25:09
	When there is a.	00:25:12
	Property they get takes out a building permit.	00:25:14
	Most building permits that do anything on the exterior or create something new will require a site plan.	00:25:17
	My office and I will check to see if it is in the special flood hazard area. If it is, then they have to get an elevation	00:25:24
	certificate and they have to go through a series of steps.	00:25:29
	I mean, if anyone's thinking about remodeling or building in the floodplain, please come see me. You know, anybody I pride myself	00:25:34
	on.	00:25:38
	Anybody can walk into building and planning and get somebody from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM.	00:25:42
	Even juggling lunch hours. So please just come in and talk to us if you have.	00:25:47
	Any any questions about that and I think.	00:25:51
	The remodeling piece which we've.	00:25:54
	Had a little bit of trepidation with in the past.	00:25:56
	There is a substantial improvement clause.	00:25:59
	In the National Flood Insurance Program.	00:26:03
	And in our floodplain management ordinance?	00:26:05
	So just please be reminded.	00:26:08
	If you are if you are doing renovations which constitute more than 50%.	00:26:10
	Of your existing property value.	00:26:15
	I'll be asking you for your elevation surgery.	00:26:18
	That's great. Thank you, Jamie.	00:26:22
	Thank you very much the motion.	00:26:24
	Yes, Sir.	00:26:29
	She said so moved to outside.	00:26:30
	Jumped on any further questions.	00:26:33
	All those in favor, aye. Any opposed?	00:26:37
	Unanimously, Madam Sir.	00:26:41
	All right.	00:26:45
	Next item then is the professional services contract for Geographic Information Systems with.	00:26:47
	The CRC.	00:26:53
	Thank you.	00:26:55
	My question is simple, you know it's just a.	00:26:57
	Probably yes or no.	00:27:00
	Do we have anybody in house?	00:27:06
	It has a.	00:27:09
	Knowledge.	00:27:12
	Or did we have anybody at one time?	00:27:15
	Yes and yes.	00:27:20
	So I'll, I'll speak to that.	00:27:21
	We used to during my time here, we did umm.	00:27:24
	Advance a role in the department for a GIS Manager.	00:27:29
	That particular employee didn't.	00:27:35
	Workout. Umm.	00:27:37
	And.	00:27:39
	Because I've learned.	00:27:40
	Basically are the extent.	00:27:43
	Of how much geographic information system work that we do on the city.	00:27:46
	I don't feel that that role is necessary anymore.	00:27:50
	One of the things that when?	00:27:53
	I came into the role we had.	00:27:55
	An enterprise server, which is something in the GIS world that the county has. It's a very large investment.	00:27:58
	In doing GIS and frankly.	00:28:04
	We don't, we don't do that type of analysis and layered creation and.	00:28:06
	Those types of things that would warrant that investment or having a GIS manager.	00:28:12
	So we paired it down and now we.	00:28:17
	Do this professional services contract with the Coastal Regional Commission?	00:28:20
	We had this in place last year, so this is just a renewal.	00:28:24
	Some of the great things that came out of this professional services contract.	00:28:29
	Was the integration of our.	00:28:33
	Zoning map and and parcel layers that we have on the website.	00:28:36
	With cloud permit.	00:28:41
	Which is our online permitting system. So now those two systems speak to each other.	00:28:42
	And that requires.	00:28:46
	A bit of a bit of coding that sends the counties.	00:28:48
	Data.	00:28:51
	To our version of cloud permit and back and that happens on.	00:28:52
	Monthly basis.	00:28:56
	In house, our junior planner, Miss Elise Pierce is is.	00:28:58
	Excellent. Incredible. Potentially one of my best hires.	00:29:05
	And she is getting her master's degree.	00:29:08
	Front of the University of Florida.	00:29:11
	But.	00:29:14
	In in city and regional planning and she has really upped our internal GIS game so she.	00:29:17
	Make sure that some of the things that that we're doing in house.	00:29:24
	Are of really good quality.	00:29:27
	So just to kind of clarify, we we have the in-house capability to access the system and pull basic information things we might	00:29:31
	need.	00:29:34
	But that we are relying on CRC for some of the back end programming and integrations and things like that, that's what this	00:29:39
	contract is about.	00:29:42
	Yeah, most recently we had to update all of the city streets.	00:29:46
	And we worked with CRC to do that, and that actually helped us create new.	00:29:50
	Grids of the city streets for after.	00:29:55
	Emergency responses. So a couple of real good things.	00:29:59
	OK, any other?	00:30:03
	I have a motion to approve.	00:30:05
	Sunil Jones, is there a second?	00:30:08
	Second. Second by Mr. Ingram. Any discussion?	00:30:10
	All those in favor.	00:30:14
	Aye, any opposed?	00:30:15
	Unanimous. Yes, Sir. Thank you, Miss Stein.	00:30:17
	And that takes us to.	00:30:24
	Item I.	00:30:28
	The possibility of resending the resolution and quick claim deed for the transfer of ownership and.	00:30:31
	I'll let Miss King start.	00:30:37
	The conversation about.	00:30:39
	About this.	00:30:41
	So.	00:30:42
	On September 15th.	00:30:43
	The Council.	00:30:46
	One of the items that we approved was the transfer of our.	00:30:48
	Park.	00:30:52
	From.	00:30:53
	And this is the park.	00:30:54
	That contains the Aquatic Center. It's 40 some plus.	00:30:56
	Acres.	00:31:00
	From the PSA.	00:31:02
	Back to the city of Saint Mary's.	00:31:04
	One of the things.	00:31:07
	That happened during that meeting was our city attorney mentioned that he had some concerns about that so early this week I spoke	00:31:09
	to him about that.	00:31:13
	And.	00:31:19
	One of the things that I learned during that conversation is that when he was doing the title search.	00:31:20
	On the property.	00:31:26
	He found an IRS lien.	00:31:29
	And as you may remember.	00:31:32
	There were some problems in the past way in the past.	00:31:34
	With the PSA and their payroll taxes.	00:31:38
	So I talked to my fellow council members. There were.	00:31:42
	Four of us.	00:31:47
	That did not know about.	00:31:49
	The IRS wing.	00:31:51
	And the other two from various.	00:31:53
	Work and conversations that they were doing.	00:31:55
	Didn't know about it.	00:31:58
	I just wanted to bring that information forth.	00:32:01
	Because the lien.	00:32:05
	I've got the lanes here.	00:32:08
	From the county.	00:32:11
	Totals approximately.	00:32:13
	1.1 plus or minus some money.	00:32:16
	And those lanes?	00:32:21
	Transfer with the property.	00:32:22
	So.	00:32:25
	Could you? You said 1.1.	00:32:26
	Plus or minus? Yeah, there's one for.	00:32:30
	Yes, we didn't. We didn't hit a million.	00:32:34
	Oh, OK.	00:32:37
	914,838.	00:32:39
	594,309.	00:32:42
	And 36,120.	00:32:47
	So.	00:32:50
	There's really.	00:32:52
	I mean, I don't think I would have voted the way I did, right? And this?	00:32:54
	By the way, was a consent item. We all knew that we wanted to get this done. We've been working to try and get the parks out of	00:32:57
	the PSA and take over maintenance.	00:33:02
	So I think at this meeting it was natural that it was a consent item.	00:33:07
	Had I known about the lien, I would have at least wanted to discuss it.	00:33:13
	Especially with you all.	00:33:18
	Make you aware of it.	00:33:20
	So there's really no.	00:33:22
	Cut and dried answer on this.	00:33:26
	No good answer.	00:33:28
	Really.	00:33:29
	But uh.	00:33:30
	There are a couple of options that we have.	00:33:31
	I understand from the attorney that the.	00:33:34
	One of the things we can do.	00:33:38
	Is trying to negotiate something with.	00:33:41
	The county and the city.	00:33:44
	Of Kingsland, the city of Saint Mary's in the city of Woodbine.	00:33:47
	As to their obligation.	00:33:51
	Regarding this lane.	00:33:54
	And essentially, we would be all.	00:33:57
	All of us would be responsible because the PSA really doesn't have any money. It's funded by all of the cities in the county.	00:34:00
	So since it's a PSA debt.	00:34:08
	It's natural to think.	00:34:14
	That we would all pitch in on that, but when you're dealing with the IRS.	00:34:15
	You're never sure. Once I have a lien on a piece of property, you know they're.	00:34:23
	If they.	00:34:27
	Feel like they.	00:34:28
	Need to exercise that they can so.	00:34:29
	My idea is that we just tap the brakes for a minute here and work out that agreement.	00:34:33
	And then?	00:34:41
	Transfer the property after that.	00:34:44
	And is there any other?	00:34:49
	Commentary on that.	00:34:51
	Go ahead.	00:34:55
	I knew about the.	00:34:58
	The issues with.	00:35:00
	IRS last year.	00:35:02
	And it just.	00:35:04
	I never thought that they would put a land on the property.	00:35:06
	If we decided that, we would.	00:35:10
	Pull out.	00:35:12
	Of the PS3.	00:35:14
	And it's.	00:35:15
	It's unfortunate that.	00:35:17
	Once they put a lien on a piece of property, it's.	00:35:19
	We have to accept the responsibility of.	00:35:22
	Of pavement. So I agree, maybe we need to.	00:35:25
	Just kind of.	00:35:30
	Slow our roll until we can get a a handle on this and.	00:35:31
	Find out who's going to pay what, or if we have to pay anything.	00:35:35
	In order to.	00:35:39
	Yet the land.	00:35:41
	Free and clear. I would like to add one more thing.	00:35:43
	Excuse me when our city attorney did.	00:35:47
	The title search on the land.	00:35:50
	He did find the lien.	00:35:53
	And he did talk to our city manager and mayor about that. And you know.	00:35:56
	As I pointed out, there are many different ways to look at this.	00:36:01
	And I don't know that any particular way is wrong.	00:36:06
	Some ways, you know, you could say, well, that's down the road and surely everybody will agree to pitch in when the time comes.	00:36:11
	But.	00:36:15
	It could be two or three years, maybe even longer, before this gets resolved.	00:36:19
	And uh.	00:36:24
	You know by their very nature our city government.	00:36:26
	Councils change every couple of years, so.	00:36:30
	I tend to go with the conservative.	00:36:34
	Approach and that is to work that issue out first and then transfer the property.	00:36:37
	After that.	00:36:43
	Yeah, those are definitely all, uh.	00:36:47
	Very valid concerns.	00:36:49
	I do know the PSA.	00:36:52
	And their board changes as well.	00:36:54
	They do have.	00:36:56
	You know, a current board that's been.	00:36:57
	On top.	00:36:59
	Of the situation as far as.	00:37:00
	They have made multiple.	00:37:02
	Attempts to settle the debt at a reduced amount.	00:37:03
	Those have failed but.	00:37:07
	This last.	00:37:08
	Or where they're at currently is they have hired a law firm that deals with this specifically.	00:37:09
	With the IRS, the IRS now directly will deal and they're currently furloughed.	00:37:14
	But when they come back into business, like Miss Keene said, it could be 6 months, but it could be 3 years. You know, there's no	00:37:19
	timeline of.	00:37:22
	When this could be situated settled but.	00:37:26
	With the law firm.	00:37:28
	To my understanding, that's been.	00:37:30
	Hired that you know they do deal with this.	00:37:32
	With city government.	00:37:35
	And the IRS will speak directly with them and it's.	00:37:36
	Not common for the IRS to come and just want to.	00:37:39
	You know, like Caesar.	00:37:42
	You know, auction off a property that's government owned and they wouldn't just come.	00:37:44
	And do it.	00:37:48
	Yes, we do need to, you know.	00:37:49
	Have clarity.	00:37:51
	You know whose responsibility would be?	00:37:52
	But uh.	00:37:54
	You know, like.	00:37:55
	Councilwoman Keene described. You know.	00:37:57
	Is a shared debt.	00:37:59
	Between the.	00:38:01
	County, Kingsland, Saint Mary's, and I know Woodbine.	00:38:02
	Is a mild contributor and has been, but you know they're pulling out of the PSA.	00:38:05
	We do need to get clarification.	00:38:11
	That you know.	00:38:13
	Make a new agreement.	00:38:14
	Of some sort. Maybe it's separate or.	00:38:15
	An amended agreement that would outline worst case scenarios and that's what this would be the worst case scenarios if that were	00:38:17
	to happen.	00:38:21
	But it is something we have to deal with.	00:38:25
	Either way, because it was, you know, funded by.	00:38:27
	You know, the the local governments, the PSA, and yes, the PSA had its issues.	00:38:30
	And and we're trying to, you know, obviously pull away from that.	00:38:35
	As far as?	00:38:42
	Not accepting the property.	00:38:43
	We're almost in a position and there is no right answer here.	00:38:45
	That there's not a direct right thing to do because it's a hairy situation, no matter which direction.	00:38:48
	We choose to go.	00:38:53
	You know the PSA.	00:38:55
	Approve their budget, which is a significantly reduced budget for managing sports and only maintaining the property.	00:38:56
	At 10:50 Wildcat Drive.	00:39:02
	You know there is no.	00:39:05
	Budget for any maintenance of any park.	00:39:06
	You know so.	00:39:10
	January 1, there's no.	00:39:11
	Anything from the PSA. So it is, you know, going to be our responsibility, which we, you know, accounted for with these	00:39:13
	discussions.	00:39:16
	Robbie and I know that in 2019, were you in?	00:39:23
	Your position 2019 perfect.	00:39:27
	So there was a insurance settlement agreement.	00:39:30
	That was roughly, we're going to use a rough number, about $600,000.	00:39:34
	I know, just speaking with.	00:39:39
	The chairman of the PSA board, who's on Kansas City Council.	00:39:41
	You know, they got roughly $200,000, they set an account.	00:39:45
	You know, so whenever a settlement would come that they.	00:39:49
	Have that sitting there.	00:39:51
	Do we know what we did with our share?	00:39:53
	Of that insurance settlement.	00:39:55
	It was it was a lawsuit by the county.	00:39:58
	And it was distributed out and there was some monies there, so probably mid.	00:40:01
	2019.	00:40:05
	I think.	00:40:07
	Right about that. So I'm curious what?	00:40:10
	We chose to do with our.	00:40:12
	Collection of that.	00:40:13
	You know, if we by chance have set it aside, and if you don't know about it, maybe we have it. I don't know.	00:40:15
	Don't know.	00:40:19
	Finance, OK.	00:40:19
	So I know they said there's a side, so.	00:40:22
	But uh.	00:40:24
	Neither here nor there.	00:40:26
	You know we are going to have to.	00:40:28
	Do something with the park.	00:40:29
	As far as?	00:40:31
	You know, it seems that we're gonna.	00:40:33
	Take it over.	00:40:34
	One way or another, that's what we want. We want to put money into it. We don't want to put projects on hold.	00:40:35
	It is something we have to work out, but I don't know that terminating our existing.	00:40:41
	Decision is the best thing to do, right? Well.	00:40:46
	Hey, you know we've been.	00:40:48
	Putting money into this park.	00:40:49
	Which has been owned by the PSA.	00:40:52
	Routinely.	00:40:55
	We've been.	00:40:56
	You know, repairing the water park.	00:40:57
	And we are about to put some money into some tennis courts and.	00:41:01
	I don't really see.	00:41:06
	That that needs to stop.	00:41:07
	I mean, I don't envision.	00:41:09
	That this process of tapping the brakes on.	00:41:11
	You know a.	00:41:15
	Proving the transfer of the property.	00:41:16
	Takes a very long time if in fact everybody is willing to pay their part.	00:41:19
	When the time comes.	00:41:26
	When we've negotiated something with the IRS, then it should be a pretty simple process to incorporate that into our agreement.	00:41:29
	And I don't think it should take.	00:41:39
	That long and in the meantime.	00:41:41
	It doesn't hold us up.	00:41:44
	I don't think that we should stop doing what we're doing with the parks.	00:41:45
	Because we've been.	00:41:49
	Doing some things with the park even though we don't own it.	00:41:51
	I just think when you have a lien on a piece of property.	00:41:55
	You want to have an agreement about how that lien is going to be paid before you accept the lien and the transfer because.	00:41:59
	We've had already 2 failed offering compromises, we're working on another one.	00:42:08
	The county. The PSA.	00:42:15
	Is working on another one and they've got a very good firm working on it.	00:42:17
	But the likelihood is that.	00:42:22
	You know, we're not going to get an offer that reduces the whole liability.	00:42:25
	And.	00:42:29
	In the 2023.	00:42:31
	Even though the liens add up to about $1.2 million in the 2023 audited financial statements for the PSA.	00:42:34
	There's a footnote in there that says that the liability was 1.5 million.	00:42:42
	So I don't.	00:42:48
	Nobody really knows what the balance is right now, and that's another reason why I think.	00:42:51
	We just need to.	00:42:57
	Proceed with caution.	00:42:59
	And that is my only reason for.	00:43:00
	Bringing it.	00:43:02
	To everybody's attention.	00:43:04
	Mr. Blackerby, can I ask you that? That you?	00:43:06
	Did you prepare the?	00:43:08
	The Quitclaim.	00:43:10
	Information for the City of Kingsland as well to take back the Lions Park.	00:43:12
	I have not.	00:43:16
	OK, because do they? I believe they have.	00:43:18
	They have done that already as they were supposed to have done that.	00:43:21
	Not I don't believe they have.	00:43:26
	OK, you know one of the things that.	00:43:28
	You know we have been talking about this property.	00:43:31
	Since January.	00:43:34
	And not knowing quite who owned what and.	00:43:37
	There was a lot of debate about.	00:43:40
	Did we own the land underneath the Aquatic Center or did the county own it all? You know, it was, there was a lot of back and	00:43:42
	forth about it.	00:43:45
	You know, the fact of the matter is, is that.	00:43:50
	You know this property and any property that.	00:43:52
	I would assume.	00:43:55
	I don't know why it would just have been placed on.	00:43:56
	One piece of property.	00:43:59
	But if the IRS had a lien on.	00:44:01
	On properties.	00:44:04
	Owned by the PSA. Then it would have been all the properties owned by the PSA.	00:44:08
	Presumably. Is that a fair assumption or would they?	00:44:12
	Question that I've.	00:44:16
	That I have is which properties were actually conveyed to PSA because talking to the PSA attorney.	00:44:17
	He indicated that there were a fair number.	00:44:22
	That had been.	00:44:24
	Intended to be conveyed that there were.	00:44:25
	I think in particular there's a parking wood behind that never got conveyed to PSA so that still owned by Woodbine.	00:44:29
	And then I'm not sure about some of the county.	00:44:34
	Parks either.	00:44:36
	OK. So would it be accurate that the lien would be?	00:44:37
	Also attached a 1050 Watt cap drive where the PSA.	00:44:40
	Offices and and Lions Club parking. He's actually owned by the PSA. So if you look on the public records, I was.	00:44:44
	Let me finish please.	00:44:52
	So the.	00:44:54
	You know the lane's going to exist whether.	00:44:56
	We own it.	00:44:59
	Or expect the PSA owns it.	00:45:00
	And uh.	00:45:02
	The possibility of the property being seized.	00:45:03
	And sold at auction or whatever in order to satisfy this.	00:45:06
	And this amount due to the IRS.	00:45:10
	Is a possibility either way.	00:45:13
	And you know that that was just kind of the reality I thought we were dealing with.	00:45:16
	And I know some of the steps that the PSA has been taking with.	00:45:20
	As Council.	00:45:23
	Member Keen mentioned.	00:45:25
	That they had filed to have this dismissed in two prior occasions.	00:45:26
	But when they had done that, they had not done all of their quarterly filings and so it was an incomplete record.	00:45:30
	And so they were summarily just.	00:45:35
	You know.	00:45:38
	Ignored because they had not had a complete tax record yet.	00:45:40
	So in recent months.	00:45:44
	That complete record has now been filed with IRS.	00:45:45
	And the PSA is.	00:45:49
	Currently.	00:45:50
	Has done everything that the IRS.	00:45:52
	Has asked of them.	00:45:55
	In order to.	00:45:57
	Move this process forward.	00:45:58
	And so.	00:46:00
	As those are now being documented as being filed by the Rs.	00:46:01
	The tax firm.	00:46:05
	That the PSA is hired.	00:46:07
	Is going to be, you know.	00:46:09
	Seeking for some dismissal of some of the fees.	00:46:11
	Interest.	00:46:14
	Or actually partial fees. We don't know what will happen there.	00:46:15
	But my other contention was is that you know.	00:46:19
	This uh.	00:46:21
	Even though there's no language specifically to it in the that I could find or.	00:46:23
	And that we've reviewed yet that.	00:46:27
	Indicates that.	00:46:30
	Specific debt of the PSA is.	00:46:33
	Would be shared by everyone that's part of the PSA.	00:46:36
	You know, in all my conversations with.	00:46:41
	Leaders from the other cities and PSA.	00:46:43
	That.	00:46:46
	It is, you know, clearly understood that this debt is.	00:46:48
	Belongs to the PSA and thus.	00:46:51
	Belongs to everyone.	00:46:52
	And.	00:46:54
	You know, and speaking with Mr. Blackaby today.	00:46:56
	In the new IGA that you know.	00:46:59
	That we enter into my question really kind of was, does this belong in the IGA even?	00:47:01
	Because.	00:47:06
	If Woodbine.	00:47:07
	Who had voted previously not to.	00:47:09
	Join the new IGA.	00:47:11
	They would still.	00:47:14
	Would not they still be liable for their share?	00:47:15
	Of this debt, you know, umm.	00:47:19
	And I think we would all agree.	00:47:21
	And a moral standpoint that.	00:47:23
	Yes they would. I mean they were part and parcel.	00:47:25
	To this when it occurred, you know, 15 years ago.	00:47:27
	And under that.	00:47:30
	IGA.	00:47:32
	But as as Council.	00:47:34
	You know, King pointed out. We.	00:47:36
	You know, people are people and people in money, they do things. And so, you know, I don't think it's a bad idea to.	00:47:38
	To have a written agreement that.	00:47:44
	Specifies.	00:47:47
	And everyone I've spoken to would kind of agrees to this or.	00:47:49
	Kind of, but does agree to the.	00:47:53
	Fact that it is shared debt.	00:47:55
	It belongs to all of the municipalities and county equally.	00:47:57
	Are not equally but based on their proportional share.	00:48:01
	Of this debt.	00:48:05
	And so.	00:48:06
	If we can add that into the new agreement.	00:48:07
	If Woodbine does choose to join this initial agreement.	00:48:09
	If they don't, then I think we have to have an agreement outside of the IGA.	00:48:13
	That addresses this debt if we're trying to get something in writing.	00:48:17
	But.	00:48:22
	You know the cities and the counties we have.	00:48:24
	They were 20 years ago. I don't know how many of you were here, but.	00:48:27
	There were a lot. There used to be a lot of back and forth.	00:48:31
	There was a lot of negative negativeism.	00:48:34
	Between.	00:48:36
	The municipalities in the county and and.	00:48:37
	Nasty working relationships and things didn't go well that.	00:48:40
	You know that is much improved in these years and everyone has good work and relationships.	00:48:44
	And uh.	00:48:49
	You know, naive as I may be, I do trust the relationships of.	00:48:50
	Of the other leaders that we have that.	00:48:55
	That we can settle this.	00:48:58
	And so for that reason, I didn't necessarily personally think that it was.	00:49:00
	Necessary to step backwards.	00:49:04
	From the progress we're made into getting this property in our name.	00:49:05
	Because that lien is going to exist.	00:49:09
	Whether it's in our name or it's.	00:49:11
	You know, back at the PSA.	00:49:13
	And if the IRS wants to seize the land?	00:49:16
	They're going to seize it, we're going to lose it either way.	00:49:18
	If that's what happens.	00:49:21
	And you know, there's there's no negotiating tactic.	00:49:23
	For leverage that.	00:49:28
	Putting that land back in the PSA.	00:49:30
	And away from us.	00:49:32
	Is going to protect that land.	00:49:34
	You know if.	00:49:36
	If.	00:49:37
	We don't have the.	00:49:38
	Buy in from the other partners.	00:49:39
	And so I don't really see that the land as being a.	00:49:42
	Negotiating leveraging tool.	00:49:45
	To us coming up with.	00:49:47
	A plan.	00:49:51
	A legal plan that says.	00:49:52
	We will all.	00:49:54
	A share in the liability.	00:49:55
	In in a in a legal document, because it's not built into the current IGA, it's not built into the.	00:49:58
	Previous IGA and so we do need some sort of document.	00:50:04
	To that end.	00:50:07
	I didn't think that in the way of moving forward.	00:50:08
	With our recreational plans and the things that we want to do with the part.	00:50:12
	Maintaining and in.	00:50:16
	Proving the parks.	00:50:17
	That we made this step.	00:50:19
	And if the county has not signed?	00:50:20
	The deed for this and it actually.	00:50:24
	Completed the transaction.	00:50:26
	I believe they would be willing to.	00:50:29
	Tap the brakes as you said, and hold off on that if we ask them to.	00:50:31
	No rush necessarily doesn't do anything for them one way or the other.	00:50:35
	But I believe we can move forward and and get the relationship the.	00:50:40
	The agreement that we need.	00:50:45
	You know to put in.	00:50:47
	And in the legal terms?	00:50:48
	How this liability will be?	00:50:51
	Taken care of.	00:50:54
	And and that was just kind of my.	00:50:55
	My state, I agree with you 100%, you know. But I believe in putting it in writing.	00:50:57
	You know I trust them.	00:51:02
	And everything too, but.	00:51:04
	We probably need to.	00:51:06
	Change the.	00:51:09
	Warning in the IGA to.	00:51:10
	100% agree, but I just I don't see that.	00:51:12
	Transferring the land back and forth.	00:51:15
	You know, really you know, face.	00:51:16
	We can, we can, we can continue to go.	00:51:18
	The route that we're going, you know it's not going to.	00:51:22
	Pay the bills IRS IRS is still going to be.	00:51:24
	A problem.	00:51:28
	But what I wanted to do was to make sure that the county.	00:51:29
	And the cities.	00:51:33
	Have a shared interest in.	00:51:35
	What's going to be paid back?	00:51:37
	That's all.	00:51:39
	Yes, Sir.	00:51:41
	I'd like to make a motion to.	00:51:47
	Not rescind our resolution.	00:51:49
	So I don't know if that's.	00:51:53
	Going to do that in that order or?	00:51:55
	Make a motion to add it to the.	00:51:57
	Well, I think the agenda item.	00:51:58
	Was framed as.	00:52:01
	It's going to be a motion to rescind it, so I think.	00:52:03
	You could just take no action if I just take no action for now and we could reconvene at a different meeting if needed on this,	00:52:06
	but I do think we need to. I guess the proper thing would be to ask if there is a motion.	00:52:12
	To rescind.	00:52:18
	I'd like to make a motion.	00:52:23
	That we rescind the resolution and quick claim deed for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary Civic.	00:52:25
	Art and Lake Saint Mary's Camden County Public Service Authority.	00:52:31
	OK. Is there a second?	00:52:39
	2nd.	00:52:41
	OK, so is there any other discussion?	00:52:42
	I'd like to ask Mr. Blackerby if he.	00:52:46
	Will advise us.	00:52:49
	Unless since he knows a lot more about this.	00:52:51
	Then we do.	00:52:54
	One thing that I totally agree with is there's there's not a right or wrong answer here.	00:52:57
	There are several ways it could play out with the lean.	00:53:02
	Being in place, I mean.	00:53:06
	Hopefully.	00:53:08
	The PSA.	00:53:11
	Stays around for a long time and it's fully funded and pays off the lien.	00:53:11
	And that's hopefully what happens. And I would assume that's the most likely outcome.	00:53:15
	If you take.	00:53:20
	Take the transfer of the ownership.	00:53:21
	And for whatever reason, the PSA.	00:53:23
	Isn't fully funded in the future to pay that lien off.	00:53:25
	Then we're holding the property subject to it, to the lien that is.	00:53:29
	And you could have a situation.	00:53:33
	Maybe very unlikely, but you could have a situation where the IRS comes looking to get paid and says we're going to levy on that	00:53:36
	property.	00:53:38
	And chooses that one to be the target of their levy.	00:53:41
	On the flip side, if you.	00:53:47
	If you leave it in the ownership of the PSA.	00:53:49
	And the PSA.	00:53:53
	Doesn't have funding to continue paying it then.	00:53:54
	You're still not in a good situation because then you've got a PSA board that you've only got 2 members on.	00:53:58
	And.	00:54:02
	They could decide.	00:54:03
	You know what, we don't have the money to pay the IRS. We're just going to give them the property.	00:54:04
	In lieu of paying it.	00:54:08
	That's a possibility as well.	00:54:09
	So.	00:54:11
	There are multiple bad outcomes and there's hopefully a good outcome that.	00:54:12
	That's going to happen, which is that the PSA remains funded and pays this off, but.	00:54:17
	It's it's really a matter of your comfort level, I guess, in terms of how to move forward and your relationship with the other	00:54:22
	cities.	00:54:25
	And the county?	00:54:29
	I do think it's imperative and and.	00:54:30
	This has been said multiple times. We do need to address this in the intergovernmental agreement going forward and we need to	00:54:33
	include a provision.	00:54:36
	That clearly provides that the.	00:54:39
	The liabilities.	00:54:40
	And the debts of PSA.	00:54:41
	Are jointly shared.	00:54:43
	In, in, in accordance with the percentages by which we're funding the PSA.	00:54:44
	And that that is an obligation that will survive the intergovernmental agreement.	00:54:48
	Because right now we don't have that in place, right? And we do not have it.	00:54:53
	And in our art.	00:54:56
	Intergovernmental agreement has expired. Is that correct? That is correct, but even if we had it, it wouldn't.	00:54:58
	Speak specifically to us, because even under that intergovernmental agreement, any city or the county.	00:55:04
	Could withdraw upon 90 days notice and it stated that the funding obligation ceased upon that 90th day.	00:55:09
	So that's got to be addressed. And and we're already, we're already trying to to, you know, hammer out a new government agreement	00:55:16
	and still trying to figure out how Woodbine will fit into that.	00:55:21
	If at all.	00:55:26
	But while.	00:55:27
	While we're working on that, I think we need to address this as well in the new intergovernmental.	00:55:29
	I would like to change my.	00:55:34
	Motion.	00:55:36
	Let me withdraw the motion that I just made.	00:55:37
	And change it.	00:55:42
	To based on.	00:55:43
	The advice that we've had.	00:55:47
	That we.	00:55:49
	We can vote on rescinding.	00:55:51
	But I think that.	00:55:54
	Hold on a second, because we do have a motion on the floor, we have to vote on it.	00:55:55
	OK, I'd like to withdraw my motion.	00:56:01
	2nd.	00:56:04
	I always draw my second.	00:56:05
	OK, so.	00:56:08
	Original motion has been.	00:56:09
	Withdrawn and seconded, and we need to vote on that withdrawal.	00:56:11
	Or, or is it just strong OK?	00:56:15
	And the reason I'm doing that?	00:56:18
	Is the risk.	00:56:21
	Of not owning the property.	00:56:22
	And the ultimate need for the IRS to.	00:56:26
	Seize it and us not having control of the park.	00:56:32
	But I am.	00:56:37
	I think that this was a discussion that we should have had.	00:56:40
	And the Council should have been.	00:56:43
	And formed all council members.	00:56:46
	That there was.	00:56:49
	Excuse me, in fact.	00:56:52
	A very large lien on the property before we were asked to vote.	00:56:54
	On whether or not to transfer it. So I think the discussion has been fruitful.	00:56:59
	And that respect and I appreciate everybody's.	00:57:04
	Thoughts on it?	00:57:07
	So we're back to.	00:57:11
	I don't know if that was a new motion or if we just comment there is no motion.	00:57:13
	So OK.	00:57:18
	Yeah, so for lack of emotion and 2nd the.	00:57:21
	Item I.	00:57:25
	Fails.	00:57:26
	Oh, no action.	00:57:27
	There was no motion, she.	00:57:30
	Lack of motion.	00:57:32
	OK. Announcement of our calendar.	00:57:35
	Yes, Sir.	00:57:39
	On Wednesday, October the 8th.	00:57:40
	There is, Bobby. Are you still having a?	00:57:43
	10:00 AM.	00:57:46
	Or is that the one you moved?	00:57:47
	Still having it OK.	00:57:49
	There will be a pre bed.	00:57:50
	Or Saint Mary's Rd. intersection improvement project.	00:57:52
	Esplanade Blvd. here in council chambers and again, that's.	00:57:55
	10 AM on Wednesday, October.	00:57:57
	The 8th and there's some development authority. St. Mary's has moved their meeting.	00:58:00
	To October to 8th at 5:00 PM.	00:58:04
	In the Main Street office on Thursday, October the 9th.	00:58:07
	In the Main Street office at 9:30, we'll have the Orange Hall Management Committee meeting.	00:58:10
	Again, that would be a Main St. followed by the 5:00 PM Saint Mary's Intercoastal Gateway meeting.	00:58:14
	And Main St. as well.	00:58:20
	And on Monday, October the 13th at 8:30 AM in Main Street, the Downtown Development Authority meeting.	00:58:21
	On Tuesday, October, the four.	00:58:27
	There's a 5:30 PM Planning Commission meeting and also the Planning Commission.	00:58:29
	Has added a work session.	00:58:33
	On that day is at 4:30 Jamie.	00:58:35
	4:30 work session on that day.	00:58:37
	On Thursday, October the 16th.	00:58:39
	Tonight, which will be which has already been sent by our Finance Director.	00:58:42
	That will be the first two of the public hearings on the tax increase regarding the mileage rates.	00:58:46
	Again, that will be Thursday, October the 16th.	00:58:51
	Here in Castle Chambers.	00:58:54
	At 10 AM and again at 6:00 PM.	00:58:55
	On Friday, October the 17th at 9:00 we will have.	00:58:58
	Saint Mary's Municipal Court trials followed by the 11:00 AM plea and arraignments.	00:59:02
	And on Monday, October the 20th.	00:59:07
	Also sent out today by the by.	00:59:09
	Finance director will be a 5:00 PM.	00:59:11
	Public hearing on the mileage rate followed by the 6:00 PM City Council meeting.	00:59:14
	Thank you, Sir.	00:59:19
	Come here. All right, Councilmember, comments.	00:59:20
	I I just want to.	00:59:28
	I didn't get a chance to talk to my.	00:59:29
	Cousin back there with all that Steeler.	00:59:32
	Gear on, but the Jaguars will be playing tonight at 8:00, so.	00:59:34
	You need to go home and put on your teal.	00:59:40
	We won't be having another meeting before then so.	00:59:48
	You know our.	00:59:51
	1st Friday has been rebranded to a live after 5.	00:59:52
	You know, and it's not first Friday anymore because it might not be on the 1st Friday, which is the case this month.	00:59:56
	So in an effort not to compete against other local activities, especially Wildcat football.	01:00:02
	They're able to make this event flexible and move the dates and it's been a.	01:00:07
	A great event. They've actually enhanced it. I think we're on about our fifth month, our fifth month, I believe, or 6:00 somewhere	01:00:11
	in there where we've had increased vendor activity, music, live music, bands.	01:00:17
	It's just a good time. There's kids activities, so.	01:00:22
	If you haven't made one, please do check it out. It'll be October 17th this month. It'll be the 17th. We're Alive After 5 starts	01:00:25
	at 5:00 PM.	01:00:29
	I heard nothing but good things about it.	01:00:33
	Check it out. Come on.	01:00:35
	I've been there, but I mean.	01:00:37
	Everybody's talking goodbye.	01:00:38
	Yes, I'd like to thank.	01:00:43
	The city staff.	01:00:46
	Volunteers and the clients for the Seafood Festival.	01:00:48
	And St. Mary's.	01:00:52
	It was.	01:00:54
	Very, very well received.	01:00:56
	And I know the rock shrimp was well received.	01:00:58
	And uh.	01:01:02
	I was.	01:01:03
	Wow, pleasant.	01:01:04
	Treat heaven rocks from back.	01:01:06
	For the first time in over 10 years, so.	01:01:08
	Thanks, Angela.	01:01:13
	Anyone else?	01:01:16
	OK.	01:01:19
	And I'll just echo.	01:01:20
	Mr. Rasi, sentiments about the city staff and.	01:01:23
	You know it it and the Colonians it takes, it takes a lot of people to put on these festivals and.	01:01:27
	Lot of hard work, they go behind the scenes from everyone and.	01:01:32
	Even though the day started out a little shaky with some rain, we ended up with a beautiful day and.	01:01:37
	It was a great festival and I hope you had time to.	01:01:42
	Come down and check it out and if not.	01:01:45
	1st Saturday in October next year, you know we'll be right back here again for that so.	01:01:47
	Please join us.	01:01:52
	Yes, ma'am, I do apologize. The Scarecrow stroll. Angela, did you want to announce that the date of the Scarecrow stroll?	01:01:54
	Yeah.	01:02:02
	It's October 26th.	01:02:09
	From 1:00 to 5:00.	01:02:10
	The microphone's not on.	01:02:12
	October 26 from 9 to 5 is this aircraft stroll?	01:02:14
	And it's on our Facebook page and they can call us in a question.	01:02:19
	Sonia, the Tourism Facebook page and 882-4000.	01:02:23
	You can call if you have questions so.	01:02:28
	Visit stmarys.com. Thank you and.	01:02:30
	I have clear concession.	01:02:35
	Have a motion to adjourn.	01:02:37
	So moved second.	01:02:40
	All those in favor.	01:02:42
	When have we ever had a meeting finished just early?	01:02:45
	I know, let's go home and eat dinner.	01:02:48
	Launch Xbox party.	01:02:53

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	Good evening.	00:00:18
	Call to order the.	00:00:19
	City Council meeting for.	00:00:21
	October 6th.	00:00:23
	And we'll begin with our invocation from.	00:00:25
	Councilmember King.	00:00:28
	Gracious and loving God, we come before you this evening with grateful hearts.	00:00:33
	Seeking your wisdom and guidance as we serve our community.	00:00:38
	Bless this council and our management team.	00:00:42
	With discernment, compassion, and integrity.	00:00:46
	That every decision will reflect justice.	00:00:49
	Kindness and fiscal responsibility for the well-being of our citizens.	00:00:52
	May we work together in unity, honoring the trust place.	00:00:58
	Describing always to uplift those we represent.	00:01:02
	In our holy name.	00:01:06
	We pray.	00:01:07
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:01:11
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:14
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:16
	One nation on the indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:19
	Ma'am, Kirk, we'll have a roll call, please.	00:01:28
	Yes, Sir.	00:01:29
	Councilman Jones post one.	00:01:30
	I'm here, Councilman Connor Post 2. I'm here.	00:01:32
	Councilman Ingram House 3 here.	00:01:35
	Councilman Nascimento Post 4.	00:01:39
	Councilman Rasi Post 5.	00:01:42
	Councilman King post 6 here.	00:01:44
	Mayor Lockhart.	00:01:47
	I'm here, ma'am. Sir, we have a quorum.	00:01:48
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you. And for the purposes of.	00:01:50
	Then it's a unanimous vote will be 5.	00:01:53
	Yes, Sir.	00:01:55
	Our first item is approval of our minutes from the September 15th.	00:01:57
	City Council meeting, work session.	00:02:01
	Mini development redevelopment tax incentive.	00:02:03
	Program blighted properties and regular.	00:02:05
	And the October 2nd.	00:02:08
	Fourth quarter developers Progress updated Town Hall.	00:02:10
	Make a motion we approve.	00:02:13
	Motion by Mr. Connor, second.	00:02:15
	Second by Miss King.	00:02:16
	Any discussion?	00:02:18
	All those in favor.	00:02:19
	Aye, any opposed?	00:02:21
	That's unanimous, man.	00:02:23
	Yes, Sir.	00:02:24
	Right, next thing is.	00:02:26
	The board appointment, so we have a new board, the Tax Allocation district #3 Advisory Board, still looking for one member to fill	00:02:29
	out.	00:02:33
	That board.	00:02:38
	And we have the.	00:02:40
	Board appointment for the Camden County Board of Education. Sex education structural review.	00:02:42
	Committee.	00:02:47
	So if you have an interest in serving in any of those capacities?	00:02:48
	Please see our clerk.	00:02:52
	With an application.	00:02:53
	The report of our authorities, boards and commissions we have our finance for.	00:02:56
	Report and that.	00:03:00
	Looks like this murder is going to be.	00:03:02
	Good evening Mayor and Council, in your packets you will find the financial report of the cities revenue and expenses	00:03:04
	expenditures.	00:03:08
	Through August 2025.	00:03:12
	Which is the second month of fiscal year 2026. Do you have any questions?	00:03:15
	No man, Good report.	00:03:20
	All right. Thank you.	00:03:23
	And that leads us to the report of our city.	00:03:26
	Mr. Horror.	00:03:29
	Mayor and council citizens.	00:03:39
	First off, let me start by saying I'm not sick.	00:03:43
	But I do have silences.	00:03:46
	And it's I have.	00:03:48
	Doctor Moreno, I have been wearing my protective equipment.	00:03:50
	So it is.	00:03:54
	Silences. That's a whole different discussion.	00:03:55
	Anyway, demolition of the Old City pool. Anderson Environmental has completed the lead.	00:03:58
	Asbestos abatement project.	00:04:03
	The city has received a report from Anderson Environmental.	00:04:05
	That the project is clear.	00:04:09
	We're still waiting on the final disposal certification to closeout projects.	00:04:11
	Saying we received that public works crews.	00:04:15
	Can begin demolition process and will utilize the project train heavy equipment operators.	00:04:18
	That are on staff.	00:04:24
	On how to use the big stuff.	00:04:25
	In the right of way, mowing our city crews.	00:04:28
	Route for city cruises down to 14 days after contracting additional Rd. sections and waterfront Park.	00:04:31
	As the crews are able to get.	00:04:38
	Caught up on items such as edging?	00:04:40
	We would expect the route time to decrease even further.	00:04:43
	To a goal of 10 days.	00:04:47
	The downtown mowing.	00:04:49
	Non contracted.	00:04:51
	Are running on a six day route.	00:04:52
	Schedule.	00:04:54
	We are working towards a goal to get this down to five day schedule.	00:04:55
	Our contractors. Coastal Greenery.	00:04:59
	And Addie's Lawn Care working on their respective roadway sections, sidewalk and curb edging has been a topic of concern from	00:05:02
	residents due to weed.	00:05:06
	Killers being used instead of the mechanical.	00:05:11
	Contractors have been made aware of.	00:05:14
	Not to use the weed killer for edging, but only for cracks and joint weed control.	00:05:17
	Landscape Innovations has completed the removal and replacement of stone paper walkways.	00:05:24
	In the first row, medium on Osborne.	00:05:31
	With a cannon.	00:05:33
	This cruise as of 10/3.	00:05:36
	The ditch crew number one is 75% complete on outfall ditches and ditch crew #2.	00:05:39
	Just completed the ditches in the Palmetto St. area.	00:05:45
	They'll be moving towards the Douglas Drive.	00:05:48
	Florence St.	00:05:51
	Area.	00:05:52
	Ditch Crew 2 is currently repairing a leak.	00:05:53
	Storm drain inlet on stable alley and cleaning ditches throughout the city.	00:05:56
	That are urgent need of planning.	00:06:00
	Yellow Place drainage project.	00:06:03
	Public works staff has received the signed easements.	00:06:05
	From the three property owners and have sent.	00:06:08
	Sent them to the city of Tony for recording.	00:06:10
	Once the easements have been recorded, the city can move in to establish the necessary swell.	00:06:13
	To help mitigate the backyard drainage issue there.	00:06:18
	The Palmetto St. drainage.	00:06:22
	The Public Works Department is currently working to secure a surveyor.	00:06:24
	From survey and legal descriptions needed to submit to the city attorney.	00:06:28
	To draft.	00:06:33
	They use my agreement.	00:06:34
	For the property owner to song.	00:06:35
	For Council, there's a drawing in your.	00:06:38
	A map in your packet.	00:06:41
	So you can see it.	00:06:43
	The Coleraine Rd.	00:06:44
	Winding Rd. Roundabout, State of Kingsland, City of Saint Mary's have teamed up on this project including design, permit and	00:06:46
	construction.	00:06:49
	The city will take the lead on the project and see if Saint Mary's having collaborative.	00:06:53
	Input through the whole process.	00:06:57
	With expenses being split 5050 between two cities.	00:06:59
	The RFP's.	00:07:04
	Are to be open on October 9th at 2:00 PM.	00:07:05
	We are planning to be there.	00:07:08
	The Lemig Project Lemig projects for 25.	00:07:12
	And 25 Cemental are being prepared to send out for construction bids.	00:07:16
	The Lameg 26.	00:07:21
	Projects are being developed to submit to City Council for.	00:07:23
	Approval process.	00:07:26
	To submittal to G dot.	00:07:27
	Trash cans on Osborne St. New trash cans.	00:07:31
	Five of them are scheduled to be delivered on the 6th.	00:07:35
	Which was today.	00:07:39
	Once they're arrived, they'll be assembled and they will be installed on Osborne St. ON.	00:07:41
	From Saint Mary St. to Dillingham St. that's public.	00:07:45
	Trash cans.	00:07:49
	Like you see at the waterfront.	00:07:50
	The black ones with the fangs and the bonnet and the whole 9 yards.	00:07:53
	We had our RFP opening from the tennis courts and had no bidders.	00:07:59
	Mr. Williams is reaching out.	00:08:03
	To make contact with vendors and get price quotes. We were hoping to have something for you tonight but.	00:08:05
	We're still waiting on a couple of bids.	00:08:11
	OK, we had our RFP opening for the front porch repairs of tourism building with only one bit.	00:08:13
	Staff is still reviewing the proposal as time.	00:08:21
	You know we'll have it in front of you one way or another here very shortly.	00:08:24
	We have reached out to GMC regarding the stormwater program of getting a price.	00:08:29
	On getting the information updated.	00:08:34
	And help.	00:08:36
	Getting the building set up for that.	00:08:37
	Utility. We've also been working on how we're going to handle utility.	00:08:40
	Internally, the staff that we currently have.	00:08:45
	We have hope to have it wrapped up in the upcoming weeks.	00:08:49
	For everybody that's in the audience and listening.	00:08:54
	Online, please listen to this.	00:08:58
	The Department of Natural Resources will be placing a used oyster shell collection dumpster at the Meeting St. boat ramp.	00:09:01
	As early as next Friday.	00:09:09
	This initiative is a part of a statewide effort to collect and report.	00:09:11
	Holster shells.	00:09:15
	For habitat restoration and shoreline protection.	00:09:19
	The program has proven successful.	00:09:22
	At other darks throughout Georgia and the DNR believes our location will serve.	00:09:25
	As a great addition to these efforts.	00:09:29
	They will be providing additional information soon.	00:09:31
	Posting on our website. No assistance or permits are required from the city.	00:09:36
	As the lease agreement for the dock allows for these types.	00:09:40
	Collection programs.	00:09:43
	So when they you go down to put your boat in at the meeting states Meeting St. boat ramp.	00:09:45
	You see the dumpster? It's not for trash, it's for oyster ships.	00:09:50
	So we'll have more information on that coming soon.	00:09:54
	Mr. Mayor, that concludes my report for sooner.	00:09:57
	Unless someone has a question.	00:10:00
	Will this agreement with DNR for the oyster shells?	00:10:02
	Have any language in there about how often they will?	00:10:07
	Collecting empty those things. That's to prohibit them from becoming.	00:10:10
	I want to risk.	00:10:14
	Owners.	00:10:17
	And as soon as we know, I will let you know. They contacted me today about this program.	00:10:20
	We're just trying to get that information out as quick as possible.	00:10:25
	OK. Thank you.	00:10:29
	Anyone else?	00:10:31
	All right. Thank you, Mr. Thank you.	00:10:33
	OK, we'll move to.	00:10:37
	Set our consent agenda.	00:10:38
	So 4.	00:10:43
	We have no old business items for new business. We have the.	00:10:44
	A authorization to issue notice of non renewal of marketing agreement with Utility Service Partners Private Label, Inc.	00:10:47
	DBA Home service service line.	00:10:55
	Warranty of America program.	00:10:57
	The Historic Preservation Fund grant award for.	00:11:03
	Preservation Commission. Community design guidelines.	00:11:07
	From Georgia Department of Community Affairs Historic Preservation Division.	00:11:11
	See Designing for Resilience through Estuary Restoration and Defense Community Professional Services agreement.	00:11:17
	For engineering and design services with Black and Viatch.	00:11:24
	National Fish and Wildlife Foundation Spine Program.	00:11:29
	Can't stand?	00:11:32
	The National Flood Insurance Program Community rating System Program for public information. Annual report approval.	00:11:37
	OK, discuss.	00:11:50
	All right Item E Professional services contract for geographic information systems with Kotional.	00:11:55
	Regional Commission.	00:12:01
	Discuss.	00:12:03
	Since you'll be up anyway.	00:12:04
	Item F Annual external financial and compliance audit services contract for Malden Jenkins certified public accountants.	00:12:09
	Don't say.	00:12:16
	G Winding Rd. Trail project right of way acquisition services task order number two amendment #3.	00:12:20
	Consider.	00:12:28
	Item 8. Saint Mary's Harbor LLC new alcohol license consent.	00:12:32
	And Item I rescind resolution and quick claim D for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary's Civic Park and Lake Saint Mary's.	00:12:40
	Hammond County Public Service Authority September 15th, 2025 City Council meeting.	00:12:47
	Discuss.	00:12:51
	OK, so for.	00:12:55
	The consent agenda, we have items.	00:12:58
	ABC.	00:13:00
	FG and H.	00:13:03
	So with that, we'll have granting audience to the public.	00:13:07
	So if you have anything.	00:13:11
	Would you like to talk to us about?	00:13:13
	The items on the agenda otherwise.	00:13:14
	Please come through the microphone, give us your name and address and.	00:13:17
	Try to keep your comments to.	00:13:21
	5 minutes or less.	00:13:22
	But since 816 Riverview Dr.	00:13:37
	Two things.	00:13:43
	The item.	00:13:44
	Annual external financial.	00:13:49
	Or compliance or the service contract.	00:13:52
	You know.	00:13:55
	I know y'all won't send it out.	00:13:57
	And like this is, we only had one.	00:13:58
	And I'm kind of wondering you.	00:14:02
	Where is, by the way, 6600.	00:14:05
	Aberdeen.	00:14:07
	Street sweet toner. Is that in Saint Marys?	00:14:10
	In Savannah, I believe.	00:14:12
	Oh.	00:14:14
	Savannah.	00:14:16
	OK.	00:14:17
	So Mr. Blunt and all you guys ain't taking a chance, ain't going for it.	00:14:19
	They don't do audit services like this very specialized field.	00:14:23
	All the same was sweet 200, so I didn't know where it was, you know, I mean, all right.	00:14:29
	I want to go back to.	00:14:35
	Scrubby Bluff.	00:14:41
	You know.	00:14:44
	You know, uh.	00:14:45
	When we get to.	00:14:47
	When I'm trying to think of where.	00:14:50
	That whole area, the shell BPKOA map.	00:14:52
	Those are come up.	00:14:56
	That comes up under scenarios.	00:14:58
	City of Saint Mary's.	00:15:01
	I think most of the properties on the West side of the Interstate are city of Kingsland.	00:15:03
	On Well, there's a little piece there. Let's see what it.	00:15:09
	Science starts OK, for example.	00:15:11
	Where the pilot is PIL.	00:15:13
	The street The street itself does go down to Saint Mary's.	00:15:15
	And I think there's a piece of there's a parcel down there somewhere that's flagged in.	00:15:18
	But most of.	00:15:22
	What's on the West Side?	00:15:23
	Is insidious king.	00:15:25
	Even the pilot.	00:15:27
	The pilot feasted on our side is.	00:15:29
	Well, there's a pilot. Pilot on the east side is Saint Mary's. Pilot on the West side is Kings. And I'm pretty sure, yes, yes.	00:15:33
	Also, everything on that side is.	00:15:40
	Basically.	00:15:42
	Kingsland.	00:15:44
	But they put a.	00:15:45
	Yeah, that sign up there showing a way back.	00:15:46
	The koe and all that stuff, all that the beat the BP and shell.	00:15:49
	All that belongs to Kingston.	00:15:53
	Wow, I didn't know that.	00:15:54
	OK, that says a lot then.	00:16:00
	You know that, Kiwi?	00:16:03
	Coach parking and all that stuff. Or less Kingsland.	00:16:04
	Oh, I didn't know that.	00:16:09
	I thought I was 5 Saint Mary's.	00:16:11
	We understand my video, that's why.	00:16:15
	Thank you, Sir.	00:16:17
	Thank you, Bert.	00:16:18
	Honey White, 102 Sylvia.	00:16:37
	I'm glad to see that you're concerning.	00:16:41
	Item A under new business.	00:16:43
	Which is not to renew the.	00:16:45
	The contract with this company.	00:16:47
	That's been used in the city of Saint Mary's.	00:16:49
	Emblem.	00:16:52
	Under envelopes, milling out advertisements.	00:16:53
	The property owners.	00:16:55
	Thinking that it's dealing with us.	00:16:57
	With the consent of the.	00:16:59
	Saint Mary's government.	00:17:01
	And I read through your.	00:17:03
	And I don't think they have a leg to stand on when you don't remove.	00:17:04
	We know our our.	00:17:08
	Contracts with them, I think that probably is up in February, I think.	00:17:10
	You have to do a 90 day.	00:17:14
	Notification that you're not going to redo the contract with them.	00:17:15
	So I hope that's true.	00:17:19
	The other thing is on item I.	00:17:22
	I'm not sure exactly what that means.	00:17:25
	And since I was just.	00:17:27
	Today.	00:17:29
	To the to the agenda, I would like a better exclamation from.	00:17:30
	Councilwoman Keene as to why.	00:17:35
	She wants to rescind us.	00:17:38
	Agreement with the county.	00:17:39
	We'll do that when we discuss it.	00:17:42
	Dave Schmidt's 112 new Hammock Circle up in shadow on.	00:17:53
	Just wanted to remind everybody that the 25th.	00:17:59
	Of October Saturday.	00:18:02
	Is, I believe, the 10th annual.	00:18:04
	Alzheimer's walked for.	00:18:07
	Camden County.	00:18:09
	Thank you.	00:18:12
	Start start to have the water from.	00:18:14
	And then ends at the waterfront park.	00:18:18
	All right, there's no one else we'll forget.	00:18:30
	OK, I'm sorry, no.	00:18:33
	Have a question?	00:18:34
	Have a question? Jamie Galvez, 1007 McDowell.	00:18:37
	Saint Mary's.	00:18:41
	McGowan St.	00:18:42
	Rezoning of the industrial.	00:18:44
	Park.	00:18:46
	When will that come on the agenda?	00:18:47
	Or does it have to go through the next meeting?	00:18:50
	Yeah, it's already been. It's already been done.	00:18:53
	Yeah. So, yeah, we so.	00:18:55
	That's right. So the.	00:18:58
	You tell them that the commerce park or the industrial park? Industrial park with little airports at.	00:18:59
	But yeah, the same Thomas part we do. We did that at the last meeting.	00:19:05
	Sorry fast. Sorry fast.	00:19:09
	Yes, Sir.	00:19:11
	Could you please repeat your name?	00:19:12
	An address for the clerk.	00:19:14
	Jaime for statement. Nobody ever spelled it.	00:19:16
	Galvez. Same thing. GALAVIZ.	00:19:20
	1007 McDowell Street, Saint Mary's.	00:19:24
	Thank you. Second.	00:19:27
	OK. Thank you very much.	00:19:29
	All right, there's someone else Will.	00:19:39
	Vote on our consent agenda. So once again to.	00:19:42
	We have items.	00:19:48
	ABC.	00:19:51
	FG and H on our consent agenda. I have a motion to approve.	00:19:54
	So moved.	00:19:57
	2nd.	00:19:59
	And motion by.	00:20:01
	I'm seeing him a second by Mr. Jones.	00:20:02
	Any discussion?	00:20:04
	All those in favor.	00:20:06
	Aye.	00:20:07
	Any opposed?	00:20:09
	OK. That's unanimous.	00:20:10
	Yes, Sir.	00:20:11
	And now have a motion to approve the agenda.	00:20:12
	From the Miss Keene.	00:20:16
	Any other?	00:20:19
	Questions or comments? All those in favor, aye?	00:20:20
	Aye, any post.	00:20:23
	Yes, Sir.	00:20:26
	OK. So that takes us into our new business and.	00:20:28
	I do want to comment, Mr. White, you brought it up on Item A.	00:20:31
	Just so everyone knows.	00:20:36
	Like you said that.	00:20:38
	We're moving forward with the steps to cancel that, but.	00:20:40
	The contract goes on until early next year, February, March and so.	00:20:44
	You may still yet receive letters.	00:20:48
	But the process is underway.	00:20:51
	OK. And with that we've got item.	00:20:53
	D The National Flood Insurance Program Community rating.	00:20:57
	Miss Stein is going to address.	00:21:00
	Thank you, Council members and Mayor, and thank you, Madam Clerk, for.	00:21:05
	Queuing up this presentation.	00:21:10
	So about this time every year, the Community Development Department.	00:21:12
	Issues what's called the Program for Public Information report.	00:21:17
	This has to do with our participation in the Community rating system, which is part of the National Flood Insurance Program.	00:21:23
	So in the report that you've received, I just wanted to go over.	00:21:30
	A few key items.	00:21:33
	I also wanted to let you know that.	00:21:35
	Typically we do an annual recertification of this program.	00:21:37
	But on.	00:21:43
	September 1st I did receive an e-mail.	00:21:45
	In which FEMA has announced that the CRS program.	00:21:49
	Will no longer be.	00:21:54
	Have a recertification review.	00:21:56
	So typically by October 15th my office has to send.	00:22:00
	All the information in.	00:22:04
	To kind of an auditor.	00:22:06
	And they look at all of the work that we've done over the year.	00:22:08
	And they give us.	00:22:11
	Recertification of our levels of participation in the program.	00:22:14
	This year, due to a reduction in funding, they won't be doing it, but they just ask that we continue to operate business as usual.	00:22:19
	So that's what we're going to continue doing.	00:22:24
	So the program for public information, this is a report that is tipped.	00:22:29
	Typically the same every year.	00:22:34
	But I did.	00:22:36
	Highlight a few key things for members of the public.	00:22:38
	So our website, on the Community Development Department's website, there is a section on floodplain management. There are several	00:22:42
	great resources in there, particularly related to knowing your flood zone, the city's flood map.	00:22:48
	Different resources for flood protection.	00:22:56
	We also have repetitive loss mailing, so every year my department will send letters.	00:23:00
	To those properties which have experienced repetitive losses due to flooding.	00:23:06
	We also for any of you that are in the floodplain.	00:23:11
	Probably received a brochure from us that looks something like this.	00:23:16
	So that's part of our annual communications.	00:23:20
	And we also do public announcements. I did one at the.	00:23:23
	Work session.	00:23:26
	Or the development progress?	00:23:28
	Last week and we're doing it again here.	00:23:31
	A couple of new exciting things, though.	00:23:33
	Under the leadership of the county's floodplain manager, a woman named Miss.	00:23:35
	Tassie Turpin.	00:23:41
	She has reengaged A countrywide group.	00:23:43
	Of stakeholders that will meet on a quarterly basis.	00:23:47
	To review our program for public information.	00:23:51
	And see if we can come up with some creative ways.	00:23:54
	To get more information out there and more participation.	00:23:56
	And a great thing about that is that she's engaged the city of Kingsland, which is new to this year's program.	00:24:00
	She's also engaged someone from the real estate sector.	00:24:06
	As well as someone from the home insurance sector. So we look forward to continuing those quarterly meetings.	00:24:10
	In future.	00:24:16
	And one little tidbit of.	00:24:18
	Of data.	00:24:21
	Every year starting we stopped counting October 1st, so October to October.	00:24:22
	We tally all of the certificates of occupancy that have been issued for new structures in the floodplain.	00:24:29
	And this last year we CEO 36 new structures in the floodplain.	00:24:35
	Any questions?	00:24:41
	I I do have a question.	00:24:42
	This is great and I love to hear that there's going to be some.	00:24:45
	Meetings about public information.	00:24:49
	Will we be getting out any information for people that may be building or remodeling in a floodplain so that they're very aware of	00:24:53
	certain?	00:24:58
	Special code requirements.	00:25:04
	In a floodplain.	00:25:07
	Yes, so typically.	00:25:09
	When there is a.	00:25:12
	Property they get takes out a building permit.	00:25:14
	Most building permits that do anything on the exterior or create something new will require a site plan.	00:25:17
	My office and I will check to see if it is in the special flood hazard area. If it is, then they have to get an elevation	00:25:24
	certificate and they have to go through a series of steps.	00:25:29
	I mean, if anyone's thinking about remodeling or building in the floodplain, please come see me. You know, anybody I pride myself	00:25:34
	on.	00:25:38
	Anybody can walk into building and planning and get somebody from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM.	00:25:42
	Even juggling lunch hours. So please just come in and talk to us if you have.	00:25:47
	Any any questions about that and I think.	00:25:51
	The remodeling piece which we've.	00:25:54
	Had a little bit of trepidation with in the past.	00:25:56
	There is a substantial improvement clause.	00:25:59
	In the National Flood Insurance Program.	00:26:03
	And in our floodplain management ordinance?	00:26:05
	So just please be reminded.	00:26:08
	If you are if you are doing renovations which constitute more than 50%.	00:26:10
	Of your existing property value.	00:26:15
	I'll be asking you for your elevation surgery.	00:26:18
	That's great. Thank you, Jamie.	00:26:22
	Thank you very much the motion.	00:26:24
	Yes, Sir.	00:26:29
	She said so moved to outside.	00:26:30
	Jumped on any further questions.	00:26:33
	All those in favor, aye. Any opposed?	00:26:37
	Unanimously, Madam Sir.	00:26:41
	All right.	00:26:45
	Next item then is the professional services contract for Geographic Information Systems with.	00:26:47
	The CRC.	00:26:53
	Thank you.	00:26:55
	My question is simple, you know it's just a.	00:26:57
	Probably yes or no.	00:27:00
	Do we have anybody in house?	00:27:06
	It has a.	00:27:09
	Knowledge.	00:27:12
	Or did we have anybody at one time?	00:27:15
	Yes and yes.	00:27:20
	So I'll, I'll speak to that.	00:27:21
	We used to during my time here, we did umm.	00:27:24
	Advance a role in the department for a GIS Manager.	00:27:29
	That particular employee didn't.	00:27:35
	Workout. Umm.	00:27:37
	And.	00:27:39
	Because I've learned.	00:27:40
	Basically are the extent.	00:27:43
	Of how much geographic information system work that we do on the city.	00:27:46
	I don't feel that that role is necessary anymore.	00:27:50
	One of the things that when?	00:27:53
	I came into the role we had.	00:27:55
	An enterprise server, which is something in the GIS world that the county has. It's a very large investment.	00:27:58
	In doing GIS and frankly.	00:28:04
	We don't, we don't do that type of analysis and layered creation and.	00:28:06
	Those types of things that would warrant that investment or having a GIS manager.	00:28:12
	So we paired it down and now we.	00:28:17
	Do this professional services contract with the Coastal Regional Commission?	00:28:20
	We had this in place last year, so this is just a renewal.	00:28:24
	Some of the great things that came out of this professional services contract.	00:28:29
	Was the integration of our.	00:28:33
	Zoning map and and parcel layers that we have on the website.	00:28:36
	With cloud permit.	00:28:41
	Which is our online permitting system. So now those two systems speak to each other.	00:28:42
	And that requires.	00:28:46
	A bit of a bit of coding that sends the counties.	00:28:48
	Data.	00:28:51
	To our version of cloud permit and back and that happens on.	00:28:52
	Monthly basis.	00:28:56
	In house, our junior planner, Miss Elise Pierce is is.	00:28:58
	Excellent. Incredible. Potentially one of my best hires.	00:29:05
	And she is getting her master's degree.	00:29:08
	Front of the University of Florida.	00:29:11
	But.	00:29:14
	In in city and regional planning and she has really upped our internal GIS game so she.	00:29:17
	Make sure that some of the things that that we're doing in house.	00:29:24
	Are of really good quality.	00:29:27
	So just to kind of clarify, we we have the in-house capability to access the system and pull basic information things we might	00:29:31
	need.	00:29:34
	But that we are relying on CRC for some of the back end programming and integrations and things like that, that's what this	00:29:39
	contract is about.	00:29:42
	Yeah, most recently we had to update all of the city streets.	00:29:46
	And we worked with CRC to do that, and that actually helped us create new.	00:29:50
	Grids of the city streets for after.	00:29:55
	Emergency responses. So a couple of real good things.	00:29:59
	OK, any other?	00:30:03
	I have a motion to approve.	00:30:05
	Sunil Jones, is there a second?	00:30:08
	Second. Second by Mr. Ingram. Any discussion?	00:30:10
	All those in favor.	00:30:14
	Aye, any opposed?	00:30:15
	Unanimous. Yes, Sir. Thank you, Miss Stein.	00:30:17
	And that takes us to.	00:30:24
	Item I.	00:30:28
	The possibility of resending the resolution and quick claim deed for the transfer of ownership and.	00:30:31
	I'll let Miss King start.	00:30:37
	The conversation about.	00:30:39
	About this.	00:30:41
	So.	00:30:42
	On September 15th.	00:30:43
	The Council.	00:30:46
	One of the items that we approved was the transfer of our.	00:30:48
	Park.	00:30:52
	From.	00:30:53
	And this is the park.	00:30:54
	That contains the Aquatic Center. It's 40 some plus.	00:30:56
	Acres.	00:31:00
	From the PSA.	00:31:02
	Back to the city of Saint Mary's.	00:31:04
	One of the things.	00:31:07
	That happened during that meeting was our city attorney mentioned that he had some concerns about that so early this week I spoke	00:31:09
	to him about that.	00:31:13
	And.	00:31:19
	One of the things that I learned during that conversation is that when he was doing the title search.	00:31:20
	On the property.	00:31:26
	He found an IRS lien.	00:31:29
	And as you may remember.	00:31:32
	There were some problems in the past way in the past.	00:31:34
	With the PSA and their payroll taxes.	00:31:38
	So I talked to my fellow council members. There were.	00:31:42
	Four of us.	00:31:47
	That did not know about.	00:31:49
	The IRS wing.	00:31:51
	And the other two from various.	00:31:53
	Work and conversations that they were doing.	00:31:55
	Didn't know about it.	00:31:58
	I just wanted to bring that information forth.	00:32:01
	Because the lien.	00:32:05
	I've got the lanes here.	00:32:08
	From the county.	00:32:11
	Totals approximately.	00:32:13
	1.1 plus or minus some money.	00:32:16
	And those lanes?	00:32:21
	Transfer with the property.	00:32:22
	So.	00:32:25
	Could you? You said 1.1.	00:32:26
	Plus or minus? Yeah, there's one for.	00:32:30
	Yes, we didn't. We didn't hit a million.	00:32:34
	Oh, OK.	00:32:37
	914,838.	00:32:39
	594,309.	00:32:42
	And 36,120.	00:32:47
	So.	00:32:50
	There's really.	00:32:52
	I mean, I don't think I would have voted the way I did, right? And this?	00:32:54
	By the way, was a consent item. We all knew that we wanted to get this done. We've been working to try and get the parks out of	00:32:57
	the PSA and take over maintenance.	00:33:02
	So I think at this meeting it was natural that it was a consent item.	00:33:07
	Had I known about the lien, I would have at least wanted to discuss it.	00:33:13
	Especially with you all.	00:33:18
	Make you aware of it.	00:33:20
	So there's really no.	00:33:22
	Cut and dried answer on this.	00:33:26
	No good answer.	00:33:28
	Really.	00:33:29
	But uh.	00:33:30
	There are a couple of options that we have.	00:33:31
	I understand from the attorney that the.	00:33:34
	One of the things we can do.	00:33:38
	Is trying to negotiate something with.	00:33:41
	The county and the city.	00:33:44
	Of Kingsland, the city of Saint Mary's in the city of Woodbine.	00:33:47
	As to their obligation.	00:33:51
	Regarding this lane.	00:33:54
	And essentially, we would be all.	00:33:57
	All of us would be responsible because the PSA really doesn't have any money. It's funded by all of the cities in the county.	00:34:00
	So since it's a PSA debt.	00:34:08
	It's natural to think.	00:34:14
	That we would all pitch in on that, but when you're dealing with the IRS.	00:34:15
	You're never sure. Once I have a lien on a piece of property, you know they're.	00:34:23
	If they.	00:34:27
	Feel like they.	00:34:28
	Need to exercise that they can so.	00:34:29
	My idea is that we just tap the brakes for a minute here and work out that agreement.	00:34:33
	And then?	00:34:41
	Transfer the property after that.	00:34:44
	And is there any other?	00:34:49
	Commentary on that.	00:34:51
	Go ahead.	00:34:55
	I knew about the.	00:34:58
	The issues with.	00:35:00
	IRS last year.	00:35:02
	And it just.	00:35:04
	I never thought that they would put a land on the property.	00:35:06
	If we decided that, we would.	00:35:10
	Pull out.	00:35:12
	Of the PS3.	00:35:14
	And it's.	00:35:15
	It's unfortunate that.	00:35:17
	Once they put a lien on a piece of property, it's.	00:35:19
	We have to accept the responsibility of.	00:35:22
	Of pavement. So I agree, maybe we need to.	00:35:25
	Just kind of.	00:35:30
	Slow our roll until we can get a a handle on this and.	00:35:31
	Find out who's going to pay what, or if we have to pay anything.	00:35:35
	In order to.	00:35:39
	Yet the land.	00:35:41
	Free and clear. I would like to add one more thing.	00:35:43
	Excuse me when our city attorney did.	00:35:47
	The title search on the land.	00:35:50
	He did find the lien.	00:35:53
	And he did talk to our city manager and mayor about that. And you know.	00:35:56
	As I pointed out, there are many different ways to look at this.	00:36:01
	And I don't know that any particular way is wrong.	00:36:06
	Some ways, you know, you could say, well, that's down the road and surely everybody will agree to pitch in when the time comes.	00:36:11
	But.	00:36:15
	It could be two or three years, maybe even longer, before this gets resolved.	00:36:19
	And uh.	00:36:24
	You know by their very nature our city government.	00:36:26
	Councils change every couple of years, so.	00:36:30
	I tend to go with the conservative.	00:36:34
	Approach and that is to work that issue out first and then transfer the property.	00:36:37
	After that.	00:36:43
	Yeah, those are definitely all, uh.	00:36:47
	Very valid concerns.	00:36:49
	I do know the PSA.	00:36:52
	And their board changes as well.	00:36:54
	They do have.	00:36:56
	You know, a current board that's been.	00:36:57
	On top.	00:36:59
	Of the situation as far as.	00:37:00
	They have made multiple.	00:37:02
	Attempts to settle the debt at a reduced amount.	00:37:03
	Those have failed but.	00:37:07
	This last.	00:37:08
	Or where they're at currently is they have hired a law firm that deals with this specifically.	00:37:09
	With the IRS, the IRS now directly will deal and they're currently furloughed.	00:37:14
	But when they come back into business, like Miss Keene said, it could be 6 months, but it could be 3 years. You know, there's no	00:37:19
	timeline of.	00:37:22
	When this could be situated settled but.	00:37:26
	With the law firm.	00:37:28
	To my understanding, that's been.	00:37:30
	Hired that you know they do deal with this.	00:37:32
	With city government.	00:37:35
	And the IRS will speak directly with them and it's.	00:37:36
	Not common for the IRS to come and just want to.	00:37:39
	You know, like Caesar.	00:37:42
	You know, auction off a property that's government owned and they wouldn't just come.	00:37:44
	And do it.	00:37:48
	Yes, we do need to, you know.	00:37:49
	Have clarity.	00:37:51
	You know whose responsibility would be?	00:37:52
	But uh.	00:37:54
	You know, like.	00:37:55
	Councilwoman Keene described. You know.	00:37:57
	Is a shared debt.	00:37:59
	Between the.	00:38:01
	County, Kingsland, Saint Mary's, and I know Woodbine.	00:38:02
	Is a mild contributor and has been, but you know they're pulling out of the PSA.	00:38:05
	We do need to get clarification.	00:38:11
	That you know.	00:38:13
	Make a new agreement.	00:38:14
	Of some sort. Maybe it's separate or.	00:38:15
	An amended agreement that would outline worst case scenarios and that's what this would be the worst case scenarios if that were	00:38:17
	to happen.	00:38:21
	But it is something we have to deal with.	00:38:25
	Either way, because it was, you know, funded by.	00:38:27
	You know, the the local governments, the PSA, and yes, the PSA had its issues.	00:38:30
	And and we're trying to, you know, obviously pull away from that.	00:38:35
	As far as?	00:38:42
	Not accepting the property.	00:38:43
	We're almost in a position and there is no right answer here.	00:38:45
	That there's not a direct right thing to do because it's a hairy situation, no matter which direction.	00:38:48
	We choose to go.	00:38:53
	You know the PSA.	00:38:55
	Approve their budget, which is a significantly reduced budget for managing sports and only maintaining the property.	00:38:56
	At 10:50 Wildcat Drive.	00:39:02
	You know there is no.	00:39:05
	Budget for any maintenance of any park.	00:39:06
	You know so.	00:39:10
	January 1, there's no.	00:39:11
	Anything from the PSA. So it is, you know, going to be our responsibility, which we, you know, accounted for with these	00:39:13
	discussions.	00:39:16
	Robbie and I know that in 2019, were you in?	00:39:23
	Your position 2019 perfect.	00:39:27
	So there was a insurance settlement agreement.	00:39:30
	That was roughly, we're going to use a rough number, about $600,000.	00:39:34
	I know, just speaking with.	00:39:39
	The chairman of the PSA board, who's on Kansas City Council.	00:39:41
	You know, they got roughly $200,000, they set an account.	00:39:45
	You know, so whenever a settlement would come that they.	00:39:49
	Have that sitting there.	00:39:51
	Do we know what we did with our share?	00:39:53
	Of that insurance settlement.	00:39:55
	It was it was a lawsuit by the county.	00:39:58
	And it was distributed out and there was some monies there, so probably mid.	00:40:01
	2019.	00:40:05
	I think.	00:40:07
	Right about that. So I'm curious what?	00:40:10
	We chose to do with our.	00:40:12
	Collection of that.	00:40:13
	You know, if we by chance have set it aside, and if you don't know about it, maybe we have it. I don't know.	00:40:15
	Don't know.	00:40:19
	Finance, OK.	00:40:19
	So I know they said there's a side, so.	00:40:22
	But uh.	00:40:24
	Neither here nor there.	00:40:26
	You know we are going to have to.	00:40:28
	Do something with the park.	00:40:29
	As far as?	00:40:31
	You know, it seems that we're gonna.	00:40:33
	Take it over.	00:40:34
	One way or another, that's what we want. We want to put money into it. We don't want to put projects on hold.	00:40:35
	It is something we have to work out, but I don't know that terminating our existing.	00:40:41
	Decision is the best thing to do, right? Well.	00:40:46
	Hey, you know we've been.	00:40:48
	Putting money into this park.	00:40:49
	Which has been owned by the PSA.	00:40:52
	Routinely.	00:40:55
	We've been.	00:40:56
	You know, repairing the water park.	00:40:57
	And we are about to put some money into some tennis courts and.	00:41:01
	I don't really see.	00:41:06
	That that needs to stop.	00:41:07
	I mean, I don't envision.	00:41:09
	That this process of tapping the brakes on.	00:41:11
	You know a.	00:41:15
	Proving the transfer of the property.	00:41:16
	Takes a very long time if in fact everybody is willing to pay their part.	00:41:19
	When the time comes.	00:41:26
	When we've negotiated something with the IRS, then it should be a pretty simple process to incorporate that into our agreement.	00:41:29
	And I don't think it should take.	00:41:39
	That long and in the meantime.	00:41:41
	It doesn't hold us up.	00:41:44
	I don't think that we should stop doing what we're doing with the parks.	00:41:45
	Because we've been.	00:41:49
	Doing some things with the park even though we don't own it.	00:41:51
	I just think when you have a lien on a piece of property.	00:41:55
	You want to have an agreement about how that lien is going to be paid before you accept the lien and the transfer because.	00:41:59
	We've had already 2 failed offering compromises, we're working on another one.	00:42:08
	The county. The PSA.	00:42:15
	Is working on another one and they've got a very good firm working on it.	00:42:17
	But the likelihood is that.	00:42:22
	You know, we're not going to get an offer that reduces the whole liability.	00:42:25
	And.	00:42:29
	In the 2023.	00:42:31
	Even though the liens add up to about $1.2 million in the 2023 audited financial statements for the PSA.	00:42:34
	There's a footnote in there that says that the liability was 1.5 million.	00:42:42
	So I don't.	00:42:48
	Nobody really knows what the balance is right now, and that's another reason why I think.	00:42:51
	We just need to.	00:42:57
	Proceed with caution.	00:42:59
	And that is my only reason for.	00:43:00
	Bringing it.	00:43:02
	To everybody's attention.	00:43:04
	Mr. Blackerby, can I ask you that? That you?	00:43:06
	Did you prepare the?	00:43:08
	The Quitclaim.	00:43:10
	Information for the City of Kingsland as well to take back the Lions Park.	00:43:12
	I have not.	00:43:16
	OK, because do they? I believe they have.	00:43:18
	They have done that already as they were supposed to have done that.	00:43:21
	Not I don't believe they have.	00:43:26
	OK, you know one of the things that.	00:43:28
	You know we have been talking about this property.	00:43:31
	Since January.	00:43:34
	And not knowing quite who owned what and.	00:43:37
	There was a lot of debate about.	00:43:40
	Did we own the land underneath the Aquatic Center or did the county own it all? You know, it was, there was a lot of back and	00:43:42
	forth about it.	00:43:45
	You know, the fact of the matter is, is that.	00:43:50
	You know this property and any property that.	00:43:52
	I would assume.	00:43:55
	I don't know why it would just have been placed on.	00:43:56
	One piece of property.	00:43:59
	But if the IRS had a lien on.	00:44:01
	On properties.	00:44:04
	Owned by the PSA. Then it would have been all the properties owned by the PSA.	00:44:08
	Presumably. Is that a fair assumption or would they?	00:44:12
	Question that I've.	00:44:16
	That I have is which properties were actually conveyed to PSA because talking to the PSA attorney.	00:44:17
	He indicated that there were a fair number.	00:44:22
	That had been.	00:44:24
	Intended to be conveyed that there were.	00:44:25
	I think in particular there's a parking wood behind that never got conveyed to PSA so that still owned by Woodbine.	00:44:29
	And then I'm not sure about some of the county.	00:44:34
	Parks either.	00:44:36
	OK. So would it be accurate that the lien would be?	00:44:37
	Also attached a 1050 Watt cap drive where the PSA.	00:44:40
	Offices and and Lions Club parking. He's actually owned by the PSA. So if you look on the public records, I was.	00:44:44
	Let me finish please.	00:44:52
	So the.	00:44:54
	You know the lane's going to exist whether.	00:44:56
	We own it.	00:44:59
	Or expect the PSA owns it.	00:45:00
	And uh.	00:45:02
	The possibility of the property being seized.	00:45:03
	And sold at auction or whatever in order to satisfy this.	00:45:06
	And this amount due to the IRS.	00:45:10
	Is a possibility either way.	00:45:13
	And you know that that was just kind of the reality I thought we were dealing with.	00:45:16
	And I know some of the steps that the PSA has been taking with.	00:45:20
	As Council.	00:45:23
	Member Keen mentioned.	00:45:25
	That they had filed to have this dismissed in two prior occasions.	00:45:26
	But when they had done that, they had not done all of their quarterly filings and so it was an incomplete record.	00:45:30
	And so they were summarily just.	00:45:35
	You know.	00:45:38
	Ignored because they had not had a complete tax record yet.	00:45:40
	So in recent months.	00:45:44
	That complete record has now been filed with IRS.	00:45:45
	And the PSA is.	00:45:49
	Currently.	00:45:50
	Has done everything that the IRS.	00:45:52
	Has asked of them.	00:45:55
	In order to.	00:45:57
	Move this process forward.	00:45:58
	And so.	00:46:00
	As those are now being documented as being filed by the Rs.	00:46:01
	The tax firm.	00:46:05
	That the PSA is hired.	00:46:07
	Is going to be, you know.	00:46:09
	Seeking for some dismissal of some of the fees.	00:46:11
	Interest.	00:46:14
	Or actually partial fees. We don't know what will happen there.	00:46:15
	But my other contention was is that you know.	00:46:19
	This uh.	00:46:21
	Even though there's no language specifically to it in the that I could find or.	00:46:23
	And that we've reviewed yet that.	00:46:27
	Indicates that.	00:46:30
	Specific debt of the PSA is.	00:46:33
	Would be shared by everyone that's part of the PSA.	00:46:36
	You know, in all my conversations with.	00:46:41
	Leaders from the other cities and PSA.	00:46:43
	That.	00:46:46
	It is, you know, clearly understood that this debt is.	00:46:48
	Belongs to the PSA and thus.	00:46:51
	Belongs to everyone.	00:46:52
	And.	00:46:54
	You know, and speaking with Mr. Blackaby today.	00:46:56
	In the new IGA that you know.	00:46:59
	That we enter into my question really kind of was, does this belong in the IGA even?	00:47:01
	Because.	00:47:06
	If Woodbine.	00:47:07
	Who had voted previously not to.	00:47:09
	Join the new IGA.	00:47:11
	They would still.	00:47:14
	Would not they still be liable for their share?	00:47:15
	Of this debt, you know, umm.	00:47:19
	And I think we would all agree.	00:47:21
	And a moral standpoint that.	00:47:23
	Yes they would. I mean they were part and parcel.	00:47:25
	To this when it occurred, you know, 15 years ago.	00:47:27
	And under that.	00:47:30
	IGA.	00:47:32
	But as as Council.	00:47:34
	You know, King pointed out. We.	00:47:36
	You know, people are people and people in money, they do things. And so, you know, I don't think it's a bad idea to.	00:47:38
	To have a written agreement that.	00:47:44
	Specifies.	00:47:47
	And everyone I've spoken to would kind of agrees to this or.	00:47:49
	Kind of, but does agree to the.	00:47:53
	Fact that it is shared debt.	00:47:55
	It belongs to all of the municipalities and county equally.	00:47:57
	Are not equally but based on their proportional share.	00:48:01
	Of this debt.	00:48:05
	And so.	00:48:06
	If we can add that into the new agreement.	00:48:07
	If Woodbine does choose to join this initial agreement.	00:48:09
	If they don't, then I think we have to have an agreement outside of the IGA.	00:48:13
	That addresses this debt if we're trying to get something in writing.	00:48:17
	But.	00:48:22
	You know the cities and the counties we have.	00:48:24
	They were 20 years ago. I don't know how many of you were here, but.	00:48:27
	There were a lot. There used to be a lot of back and forth.	00:48:31
	There was a lot of negative negativeism.	00:48:34
	Between.	00:48:36
	The municipalities in the county and and.	00:48:37
	Nasty working relationships and things didn't go well that.	00:48:40
	You know that is much improved in these years and everyone has good work and relationships.	00:48:44
	And uh.	00:48:49
	You know, naive as I may be, I do trust the relationships of.	00:48:50
	Of the other leaders that we have that.	00:48:55
	That we can settle this.	00:48:58
	And so for that reason, I didn't necessarily personally think that it was.	00:49:00
	Necessary to step backwards.	00:49:04
	From the progress we're made into getting this property in our name.	00:49:05
	Because that lien is going to exist.	00:49:09
	Whether it's in our name or it's.	00:49:11
	You know, back at the PSA.	00:49:13
	And if the IRS wants to seize the land?	00:49:16
	They're going to seize it, we're going to lose it either way.	00:49:18
	If that's what happens.	00:49:21
	And you know, there's there's no negotiating tactic.	00:49:23
	For leverage that.	00:49:28
	Putting that land back in the PSA.	00:49:30
	And away from us.	00:49:32
	Is going to protect that land.	00:49:34
	You know if.	00:49:36
	If.	00:49:37
	We don't have the.	00:49:38
	Buy in from the other partners.	00:49:39
	And so I don't really see that the land as being a.	00:49:42
	Negotiating leveraging tool.	00:49:45
	To us coming up with.	00:49:47
	A plan.	00:49:51
	A legal plan that says.	00:49:52
	We will all.	00:49:54
	A share in the liability.	00:49:55
	In in a in a legal document, because it's not built into the current IGA, it's not built into the.	00:49:58
	Previous IGA and so we do need some sort of document.	00:50:04
	To that end.	00:50:07
	I didn't think that in the way of moving forward.	00:50:08
	With our recreational plans and the things that we want to do with the part.	00:50:12
	Maintaining and in.	00:50:16
	Proving the parks.	00:50:17
	That we made this step.	00:50:19
	And if the county has not signed?	00:50:20
	The deed for this and it actually.	00:50:24
	Completed the transaction.	00:50:26
	I believe they would be willing to.	00:50:29
	Tap the brakes as you said, and hold off on that if we ask them to.	00:50:31
	No rush necessarily doesn't do anything for them one way or the other.	00:50:35
	But I believe we can move forward and and get the relationship the.	00:50:40
	The agreement that we need.	00:50:45
	You know to put in.	00:50:47
	And in the legal terms?	00:50:48
	How this liability will be?	00:50:51
	Taken care of.	00:50:54
	And and that was just kind of my.	00:50:55
	My state, I agree with you 100%, you know. But I believe in putting it in writing.	00:50:57
	You know I trust them.	00:51:02
	And everything too, but.	00:51:04
	We probably need to.	00:51:06
	Change the.	00:51:09
	Warning in the IGA to.	00:51:10
	100% agree, but I just I don't see that.	00:51:12
	Transferring the land back and forth.	00:51:15
	You know, really you know, face.	00:51:16
	We can, we can, we can continue to go.	00:51:18
	The route that we're going, you know it's not going to.	00:51:22
	Pay the bills IRS IRS is still going to be.	00:51:24
	A problem.	00:51:28
	But what I wanted to do was to make sure that the county.	00:51:29
	And the cities.	00:51:33
	Have a shared interest in.	00:51:35
	What's going to be paid back?	00:51:37
	That's all.	00:51:39
	Yes, Sir.	00:51:41
	I'd like to make a motion to.	00:51:47
	Not rescind our resolution.	00:51:49
	So I don't know if that's.	00:51:53
	Going to do that in that order or?	00:51:55
	Make a motion to add it to the.	00:51:57
	Well, I think the agenda item.	00:51:58
	Was framed as.	00:52:01
	It's going to be a motion to rescind it, so I think.	00:52:03
	You could just take no action if I just take no action for now and we could reconvene at a different meeting if needed on this,	00:52:06
	but I do think we need to. I guess the proper thing would be to ask if there is a motion.	00:52:12
	To rescind.	00:52:18
	I'd like to make a motion.	00:52:23
	That we rescind the resolution and quick claim deed for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary Civic.	00:52:25
	Art and Lake Saint Mary's Camden County Public Service Authority.	00:52:31
	OK. Is there a second?	00:52:39
	2nd.	00:52:41
	OK, so is there any other discussion?	00:52:42
	I'd like to ask Mr. Blackerby if he.	00:52:46
	Will advise us.	00:52:49
	Unless since he knows a lot more about this.	00:52:51
	Then we do.	00:52:54
	One thing that I totally agree with is there's there's not a right or wrong answer here.	00:52:57
	There are several ways it could play out with the lean.	00:53:02
	Being in place, I mean.	00:53:06
	Hopefully.	00:53:08
	The PSA.	00:53:11
	Stays around for a long time and it's fully funded and pays off the lien.	00:53:11
	And that's hopefully what happens. And I would assume that's the most likely outcome.	00:53:15
	If you take.	00:53:20
	Take the transfer of the ownership.	00:53:21
	And for whatever reason, the PSA.	00:53:23
	Isn't fully funded in the future to pay that lien off.	00:53:25
	Then we're holding the property subject to it, to the lien that is.	00:53:29
	And you could have a situation.	00:53:33
	Maybe very unlikely, but you could have a situation where the IRS comes looking to get paid and says we're going to levy on that	00:53:36
	property.	00:53:38
	And chooses that one to be the target of their levy.	00:53:41
	On the flip side, if you.	00:53:47
	If you leave it in the ownership of the PSA.	00:53:49
	And the PSA.	00:53:53
	Doesn't have funding to continue paying it then.	00:53:54
	You're still not in a good situation because then you've got a PSA board that you've only got 2 members on.	00:53:58
	And.	00:54:02
	They could decide.	00:54:03
	You know what, we don't have the money to pay the IRS. We're just going to give them the property.	00:54:04
	In lieu of paying it.	00:54:08
	That's a possibility as well.	00:54:09
	So.	00:54:11
	There are multiple bad outcomes and there's hopefully a good outcome that.	00:54:12
	That's going to happen, which is that the PSA remains funded and pays this off, but.	00:54:17
	It's it's really a matter of your comfort level, I guess, in terms of how to move forward and your relationship with the other	00:54:22
	cities.	00:54:25
	And the county?	00:54:29
	I do think it's imperative and and.	00:54:30
	This has been said multiple times. We do need to address this in the intergovernmental agreement going forward and we need to	00:54:33
	include a provision.	00:54:36
	That clearly provides that the.	00:54:39
	The liabilities.	00:54:40
	And the debts of PSA.	00:54:41
	Are jointly shared.	00:54:43
	In, in, in accordance with the percentages by which we're funding the PSA.	00:54:44
	And that that is an obligation that will survive the intergovernmental agreement.	00:54:48
	Because right now we don't have that in place, right? And we do not have it.	00:54:53
	And in our art.	00:54:56
	Intergovernmental agreement has expired. Is that correct? That is correct, but even if we had it, it wouldn't.	00:54:58
	Speak specifically to us, because even under that intergovernmental agreement, any city or the county.	00:55:04
	Could withdraw upon 90 days notice and it stated that the funding obligation ceased upon that 90th day.	00:55:09
	So that's got to be addressed. And and we're already, we're already trying to to, you know, hammer out a new government agreement	00:55:16
	and still trying to figure out how Woodbine will fit into that.	00:55:21
	If at all.	00:55:26
	But while.	00:55:27
	While we're working on that, I think we need to address this as well in the new intergovernmental.	00:55:29
	I would like to change my.	00:55:34
	Motion.	00:55:36
	Let me withdraw the motion that I just made.	00:55:37
	And change it.	00:55:42
	To based on.	00:55:43
	The advice that we've had.	00:55:47
	That we.	00:55:49
	We can vote on rescinding.	00:55:51
	But I think that.	00:55:54
	Hold on a second, because we do have a motion on the floor, we have to vote on it.	00:55:55
	OK, I'd like to withdraw my motion.	00:56:01
	2nd.	00:56:04
	I always draw my second.	00:56:05
	OK, so.	00:56:08
	Original motion has been.	00:56:09
	Withdrawn and seconded, and we need to vote on that withdrawal.	00:56:11
	Or, or is it just strong OK?	00:56:15
	And the reason I'm doing that?	00:56:18
	Is the risk.	00:56:21
	Of not owning the property.	00:56:22
	And the ultimate need for the IRS to.	00:56:26
	Seize it and us not having control of the park.	00:56:32
	But I am.	00:56:37
	I think that this was a discussion that we should have had.	00:56:40
	And the Council should have been.	00:56:43
	And formed all council members.	00:56:46
	That there was.	00:56:49
	Excuse me, in fact.	00:56:52
	A very large lien on the property before we were asked to vote.	00:56:54
	On whether or not to transfer it. So I think the discussion has been fruitful.	00:56:59
	And that respect and I appreciate everybody's.	00:57:04
	Thoughts on it?	00:57:07
	So we're back to.	00:57:11
	I don't know if that was a new motion or if we just comment there is no motion.	00:57:13
	So OK.	00:57:18
	Yeah, so for lack of emotion and 2nd the.	00:57:21
	Item I.	00:57:25
	Fails.	00:57:26
	Oh, no action.	00:57:27
	There was no motion, she.	00:57:30
	Lack of motion.	00:57:32
	OK. Announcement of our calendar.	00:57:35
	Yes, Sir.	00:57:39
	On Wednesday, October the 8th.	00:57:40
	There is, Bobby. Are you still having a?	00:57:43
	10:00 AM.	00:57:46
	Or is that the one you moved?	00:57:47
	Still having it OK.	00:57:49
	There will be a pre bed.	00:57:50
	Or Saint Mary's Rd. intersection improvement project.	00:57:52
	Esplanade Blvd. here in council chambers and again, that's.	00:57:55
	10 AM on Wednesday, October.	00:57:57
	The 8th and there's some development authority. St. Mary's has moved their meeting.	00:58:00
	To October to 8th at 5:00 PM.	00:58:04
	In the Main Street office on Thursday, October the 9th.	00:58:07
	In the Main Street office at 9:30, we'll have the Orange Hall Management Committee meeting.	00:58:10
	Again, that would be a Main St. followed by the 5:00 PM Saint Mary's Intercoastal Gateway meeting.	00:58:14
	And Main St. as well.	00:58:20
	And on Monday, October the 13th at 8:30 AM in Main Street, the Downtown Development Authority meeting.	00:58:21
	On Tuesday, October, the four.	00:58:27
	There's a 5:30 PM Planning Commission meeting and also the Planning Commission.	00:58:29
	Has added a work session.	00:58:33
	On that day is at 4:30 Jamie.	00:58:35
	4:30 work session on that day.	00:58:37
	On Thursday, October the 16th.	00:58:39
	Tonight, which will be which has already been sent by our Finance Director.	00:58:42
	That will be the first two of the public hearings on the tax increase regarding the mileage rates.	00:58:46
	Again, that will be Thursday, October the 16th.	00:58:51
	Here in Castle Chambers.	00:58:54
	At 10 AM and again at 6:00 PM.	00:58:55
	On Friday, October the 17th at 9:00 we will have.	00:58:58
	Saint Mary's Municipal Court trials followed by the 11:00 AM plea and arraignments.	00:59:02
	And on Monday, October the 20th.	00:59:07
	Also sent out today by the by.	00:59:09
	Finance director will be a 5:00 PM.	00:59:11
	Public hearing on the mileage rate followed by the 6:00 PM City Council meeting.	00:59:14
	Thank you, Sir.	00:59:19
	Come here. All right, Councilmember, comments.	00:59:20
	I I just want to.	00:59:28
	I didn't get a chance to talk to my.	00:59:29
	Cousin back there with all that Steeler.	00:59:32
	Gear on, but the Jaguars will be playing tonight at 8:00, so.	00:59:34
	You need to go home and put on your teal.	00:59:40
	We won't be having another meeting before then so.	00:59:48
	You know our.	00:59:51
	1st Friday has been rebranded to a live after 5.	00:59:52
	You know, and it's not first Friday anymore because it might not be on the 1st Friday, which is the case this month.	00:59:56
	So in an effort not to compete against other local activities, especially Wildcat football.	01:00:02
	They're able to make this event flexible and move the dates and it's been a.	01:00:07
	A great event. They've actually enhanced it. I think we're on about our fifth month, our fifth month, I believe, or 6:00 somewhere	01:00:11
	in there where we've had increased vendor activity, music, live music, bands.	01:00:17
	It's just a good time. There's kids activities, so.	01:00:22
	If you haven't made one, please do check it out. It'll be October 17th this month. It'll be the 17th. We're Alive After 5 starts	01:00:25
	at 5:00 PM.	01:00:29
	I heard nothing but good things about it.	01:00:33
	Check it out. Come on.	01:00:35
	I've been there, but I mean.	01:00:37
	Everybody's talking goodbye.	01:00:38
	Yes, I'd like to thank.	01:00:43
	The city staff.	01:00:46
	Volunteers and the clients for the Seafood Festival.	01:00:48
	And St. Mary's.	01:00:52
	It was.	01:00:54
	Very, very well received.	01:00:56
	And I know the rock shrimp was well received.	01:00:58
	And uh.	01:01:02
	I was.	01:01:03
	Wow, pleasant.	01:01:04
	Treat heaven rocks from back.	01:01:06
	For the first time in over 10 years, so.	01:01:08
	Thanks, Angela.	01:01:13
	Anyone else?	01:01:16
	OK.	01:01:19
	And I'll just echo.	01:01:20
	Mr. Rasi, sentiments about the city staff and.	01:01:23
	You know it it and the Colonians it takes, it takes a lot of people to put on these festivals and.	01:01:27
	Lot of hard work, they go behind the scenes from everyone and.	01:01:32
	Even though the day started out a little shaky with some rain, we ended up with a beautiful day and.	01:01:37
	It was a great festival and I hope you had time to.	01:01:42
	Come down and check it out and if not.	01:01:45
	1st Saturday in October next year, you know we'll be right back here again for that so.	01:01:47
	Please join us.	01:01:52
	Yes, ma'am, I do apologize. The Scarecrow stroll. Angela, did you want to announce that the date of the Scarecrow stroll?	01:01:54
	Yeah.	01:02:02
	It's October 26th.	01:02:09
	From 1:00 to 5:00.	01:02:10
	The microphone's not on.	01:02:12
	October 26 from 9 to 5 is this aircraft stroll?	01:02:14
	And it's on our Facebook page and they can call us in a question.	01:02:19
	Sonia, the Tourism Facebook page and 882-4000.	01:02:23
	You can call if you have questions so.	01:02:28
	Visit stmarys.com. Thank you and.	01:02:30
	I have clear concession.	01:02:35
	Have a motion to adjourn.	01:02:37
	So moved second.	01:02:40
	All those in favor.	01:02:42
	When have we ever had a meeting finished just early?	01:02:45
	I know, let's go home and eat dinner.	01:02:48
	Launch Xbox party.	01:02:53