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Or say, for blushing us. 00:00:32
In such a beautiful way. 00:00:35
And on a daily basis. 00:00:37
For the opportunity we have the Council. 00:00:39
Have to do IT work alongside our staff. 00:00:41
For betterment of our. 00:00:44
And for the citizens of Saint Mary's. 00:00:46
Who we serve. 00:00:48
I want to be with our men and women. 00:00:51
Of the Armed Services who serve and protect our country. 00:00:53
Both home and abroad. 00:00:56
Lord, we truly thank you for the employees of the City of Saint Mary. 00:00:58
Keep them safe. 00:01:04
And guide them. 00:01:05
Our word we pray in Jesus name. 00:01:07
Amen. 00:01:10
Please join me in the pledge. 00:01:11
Of the United States of America. 00:01:13
To the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:18
One Nation, America. 00:01:21
And resolve with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:23
Madam Clerk, we have our roll call, please. 00:01:31
Yes, Sir. 00:01:33
Councilman Jones. 00:01:34
One I'm here. 00:01:36
Councilman Connor Post 2. 00:01:37
Present Councilman Ingram post 3 here. 00:01:39
Councilman Nascimento post 4 here. 00:01:42
Councilman Rassie Post 5. 00:01:45
President, Councilman King Post 6 here. 00:01:47
Mayor Lockhart. 00:01:51
I'm here, man. Sir, we have a quorum. Yes, ma'am. And for the record, a unanimous vote is 6. Yes, Sir. 00:01:52
Our first item is the approval of our minutes from our August 18th Council meeting. I'll entertain a motion. 00:01:59
Approved. So moved. 00:02:06
Second motion by Mr. Nashman, a second by Mr. Jones. Any discussion? 00:02:07
All those in favor. 00:02:11
Aye, any opposed? 00:02:12
That's unanimous, man. 00:02:15
Yes, Sir. 00:02:16
And in moving into our presentations, our first item is a recognition. 00:02:18
Recognition of our. 00:02:24
United States Coast Guard Member. 00:02:26
I have on here that Mister Lackner is going. 00:02:29
Do this, but I'm gonna read it, OK? 00:02:31
Alrighty. 00:02:36
September 15th, 2025. 00:02:38
ET 1 Austin Fairchild, United States Coast Guard. 00:02:41
The city of Saint Mary's in conjunction with the Saint Mary's Fire Department. 00:02:45
Believe strongly in recognizing outstanding service and dedication within our community. 00:02:49
It is in this spirit that we take great pride in formally acknowledging your courageous actions on August 8th. 00:02:54
2025. 00:03:00
At approximately 11:20 AM, a fire was reported at 1:48 Ashwood Circle in Saint Mary's. 00:03:02
Upon arrival, fire crews encountered heavy fire and smoke conditions. 00:03:08
Coming from the back right portion of the residence. 00:03:11
Without hesitation, you entered the home and successfully assisted. 00:03:14
An 80 year old woman and her dog to safety. 00:03:18
Your rapid assessment of the emergency and decisive actions was instrumental. 00:03:21
And saving a life that day. 00:03:25
The professionalism, bravery and commitment you demonstrated. 00:03:28
Reflect the highest standards of the United States Coast Guard and the values we strive to uphold as public servants. 00:03:31
On behalf of the City of Saint Mary's and the Saint Mary's Fire Department. 00:03:37
Please accept our sincere appreciation for your heroism. 00:03:41
And service. 00:03:44
Your actions serve as an example to all and remind us of the vital role all first responders play in protecting. 00:03:46
The lives of our citizens. 00:03:52
With gratitude and respect. 00:03:54
I'll come up here with. 00:04:11
Thank you very much. 00:04:22
Right back down there. Just a second. 00:04:41
Thank you. 00:04:55
Thank you. 00:04:57
Thank you. 00:04:58
All right, our next item is our presentation. 00:05:05
Update on our Exit 1 project from my representatives at Volker. 00:05:08
Mr. Battle. 00:05:12
So good evening council members and. 00:05:26
Turn the mic. 00:05:32
Front button. 00:05:34
On the front. 00:05:36
There you go. Got it. Thank you. 00:05:38
OK, that's better. 00:05:40
So good evening council members and. 00:05:41
Fair Lockhart appreciate the opportunity to come. 00:05:43
A few introductions. Again, Bill Powell, the operation manager, and. 00:05:46
I managed the Jacksonville office for. 00:05:50
Poker got a couple of our executive. 00:05:52
Members here today I just like to introduce. 00:05:55
Mike Warren Key is our chief. 00:05:57
Engineer for the Southeast region and the vice president. 00:05:59
And then stand. 00:06:02
Winter is the Vice President of our Program Management Services and then Jimmy Screen. 00:06:04
Is the president of our Program Management Services. 00:06:09
So proud to be here. 00:06:13
Appreciate it. 00:06:14
OK, so our task orders umm. 00:06:19
2 are complete, so we're. 00:06:21
We're down to three general task orders. 00:06:24
OK, we're still we. 00:06:26
We have these three task orders open. 00:06:28
The General program management services. 00:06:30
The hydraulic modeling. 00:06:33
Plan Review. 00:06:35
And then the balance of those that are in blue. 00:06:37
Are the exit 1? 00:06:39
Projects. 00:06:41
That we're currently working on. 00:06:42
I'll run through the task orders quickly and then we'll get to the infrastructure projects task order one. 00:06:47
We have a few tasks that we're currently working on. We're finishing up the G. 00:06:53
The Gmail emergency genset RFP. 00:06:57
The lead service line. The field investigation. 00:07:00
To identify lead service lines. 00:07:04
Or rule them out. 00:07:07
And then that last one I'll. 00:07:08
To review some of the Freezing Nickels master plan. 00:07:11
Priority projects for sanitary sewer projects and that'll come up a little later. 00:07:14
When we're talking about the sewer. 00:07:19
Concerns with the city so. 00:07:20
We're working on those with. 00:07:22
Chris and Bobby. 00:07:24
The hydraulic modeling. 00:07:28
Again, this one's going to come in handy again when we're talking on the. 00:07:30
The sewer and what lift stations need to be improved and we still have budget in there. 00:07:33
To help the city identify. 00:07:38
The remedies for some of those lift stations that are concerning. 00:07:40
Public works. 00:07:44
So that one remains open as well. 00:07:46
The task order number 3. 00:07:49
The plan review. 00:07:51
That one's kind of winded down another city. 00:07:53
You added the city engineer? 00:07:55
The assistant public works director and then a planner that are helping with that plan review now so our. 00:07:58
Our service is kind of trimmed down, but we left it open in case Jamie or her team need us in the future. 00:08:03
And then the City Hall, the sewer, that one's complete. 00:08:11
And then the Colerain. 00:08:20
Traffic study. That one's complete. 00:08:22
And then we get to the the task orders. 00:08:26
For the Exit 1 projects. 00:08:29
So task order 5 is the water treatment plant. 00:08:33
The three that are highlighted in yellow are under construction. 00:08:37
Yeah. 00:08:41
And I just want to pause here. 00:08:44
Had a few things about. 00:08:46
Volcker that. 00:08:48
Some of you may may not know about, but we certainly appreciate the opportunity to be program managers and. 00:08:49
Take that responsibility. 00:08:55
Seriously, we're here to serve. 00:08:58
The community. 00:09:00
And we have one of our key. 00:09:02
Values is to. 00:09:05
Serve where we. 00:09:06
Have projects so just so you know we are sponsoring the. 00:09:08
Seafood Festival coming up, one of the sponsors and. 00:09:12
Our team from Jacksonville is going to volunteer there, so. 00:09:15
You take that serious and our. 00:09:18
Our corporate folks expect us to serve where we have projects, so appreciate that. 00:09:20
Our goal that I. 00:09:25
Always try to. 00:09:27
Explain is that we. 00:09:30
We're here to make sure that projects are safe. 00:09:31
Compliant, good quality and good value for the city. 00:09:34
We fully support the city. 00:09:38
And represent them in every task that we do. 00:09:40
The TAD I think. 00:09:44
A few you're going to recognize this term I've. 00:09:46
In the past I've either said we're hurting cats. 00:09:49
Or, uh. 00:09:51
We're trying to get everybody to play in the sandbox together. 00:09:52
Because, uh. 00:09:55
We have two developers. 00:09:56
3 consultants. 00:09:58
The city. Public works The city. 00:09:59
Community Development. 00:10:02
There's a couple of developers and then we have a couple power companies, so. 00:10:04
A lot of coordination. 00:10:08
To keep everybody. 00:10:09
Going in the same direction. 00:10:11
But so far so good. 00:10:13
We've negotiated about. 00:10:15
$170,000 in savings. 00:10:17
For the city. 00:10:20
In either direct fee negotiations with. 00:10:21
The consultants. 00:10:24
That we've hired. You've hired. 00:10:25
How or scope of work reductions where either? 00:10:27
They're they're doing something that we. 00:10:32
We should be doing so. We'll pull that out of your scope to save that money. 00:10:35
And then again, fully support Bobby and his team for whatever they need. 00:10:39
And lookout for their best interests at every meeting we attend. 00:10:43
Well, every decision we make. 00:10:46
And again, Jamie's group. 00:10:48
Excellent to work with him. 00:10:51
She's certainly looking out for what's best in the. 00:10:53
Development for the city and we fully support her and her team for that. 00:10:56
The water treatment plant, A few updates for that. 00:11:02
Reynolds constructions were. 00:11:05
Reynolds Construction was awarded the contract. I think owner about. 00:11:07
819 So we have construction underway. 00:11:11
OK. When you're driving by there, you'll see clearing. 00:11:15
Rubbing, erosion and sedimentation control. 00:11:18
Items going up. 00:11:21
We started the periodic construction. 00:11:23
Progress meetings that we run. 00:11:26
For the city, and those are bi weekly now, but as construction ramps up over the next month or so, those will turn out to be 00:11:28
weekly, weekly construction meetings. 00:11:32
We report out to the city. 00:11:39
Monthly on. 00:11:41
The progress that's being made in a written form in. 00:11:43
It'll be good now that we can start adding some construction photos. 00:11:46
These are the water transplant financials. This is just from our. 00:11:55
Program Management Services E Builder. 00:11:58
It's a program. 00:12:01
Management software that we use to track all the finances for the projects. 00:12:03
Our services, our fees. 00:12:10
ETM Consultants fees. 00:12:12
The contractor. 00:12:15
And their cost? 00:12:16
And that's how we track that. 00:12:18
Simple pie chart here but we have detailed. 00:12:20
How project reports that we can print out and and share? 00:12:23
As needed. 00:12:28
Task order number six is the Saint Mary's intersection improvements. 00:12:31
So that one. 00:12:35
We hope. 00:12:36
Sometime next week to be out. 00:12:37
Advertising that one forbid. 00:12:39
OK, so we've got the. 00:12:41
Design documents ready to go. 00:12:43
Some minor. 00:12:45
Comments that we had for the. 00:12:47
ETM consultant to finish, but that one should be out to advertise next week. 00:12:48
If everything goes well. 00:12:53
Again, just the financials for that you can. 00:12:56
Can't see that. I'm not going to go that unless you have questions about it later. 00:12:58
Esplanade Blvd. That's the. 00:13:03
Main entrance to the Taylor Morrison. 00:13:05
Subdivision so that one is under construction again. 00:13:09
Clearing rubbings taking place on the erosion control. 00:13:12
And sedimentation is in place. 00:13:15
And again, we expect that construction to pick up quickly like the other roadway because. 00:13:17
We've accelerated. 00:13:22
The schedules and. 00:13:24
Expecting them to stick to those schedules so. 00:13:26
A lot of work will be. 00:13:28
Happening over the next few months. 00:13:29
Finally, we have a construction photo to show you. 00:13:34
And we'll in the reports in the future, we'll certainly. 00:13:37
Provide some interesting ones as we go to the. 00:13:40
Water, tree and plant expansion. 00:13:43
I mean construction. 00:13:45
The lift station and the roadways as things get along, so. 00:13:47
We'll be able to share those. 00:13:50
And we'll also put those photographs in. 00:13:52
The reports that we share with Bobby. 00:13:54
On a monthly basis. 00:13:56
Fire Station Rd. 00:14:04
That is being built. 00:14:06
In conjunction with and went out to bid and is being built in conjunction. 00:14:08
With. 00:14:11
The water treatment plant. 00:14:12
And one of the lift stations. 00:14:14
There's three required. 00:14:16
For exit 1, so one of the lift stations. 00:14:17
The combined that lift station. 00:14:20
The Fire Station Rd. 00:14:22
Which is still. 00:14:24
Waters Rd. 00:14:26
And the water plant all together in order to bid it. 00:14:28
And get it under construction. 00:14:32
Quickly. 00:14:34
Grand Lake. 00:14:38
Originally was labeled. 00:14:40
Haddock Rd. North. 00:14:42
Is the entrance on the north side of Saint Mary's Road. 00:14:44
To the Taylor Morrison and Radiant. 00:14:48
Property. 00:14:51
So that one. 00:14:52
We're at 90% design. 00:14:53
And expect by December to have the bid documents out and ready to advertise for that project. 00:14:56
And then Task Order 10 is the Saint Mary. 00:15:08
Beautification project. 00:15:12
So we've gone back and forth. 00:15:14
Between a couple. 00:15:16
Consultants ETM and Land Design to try to get the best value for the city. 00:15:17
So we've negotiated. 00:15:24
A few times with each. 00:15:25
And we're ready to. 00:15:27
Sit down with the city and make a final recommendation so that should. 00:15:28
Come before Council. 00:15:33
At some point in the near future. 00:15:35
For review and approval. 00:15:37
And that project will include. 00:15:40
At the beginning, will include. 00:15:42
The design and permitting. 00:15:45
And then we'll move on to construction. 00:15:47
After that. 00:15:49
And the last one of the sanitary sewer lift station, so I can say. 00:15:54
78 Lift station 78 is being built with the water plant because it's up there in the water plant property. 00:15:58
So it made sense to do that. 00:16:05
79. 00:16:07
Is the one that's going to serve. 00:16:09
Esplanade Blvd. 00:16:12
And that one is going to be. 00:16:14
A separate project. 00:16:15
And then 70, I mean night. 00:16:17
#80 is going to be built in conjunction. 00:16:20
With Grand Lake Drive. 00:16:23
Because it's. 00:16:25
Along that corridor. 00:16:26
And not nestled in a. 00:16:28
Stormwater management areas. So we're going to. 00:16:29
Bid that one out. 00:16:32
The lift station, we've kind of paused that for the last couple weeks, the design. 00:16:34
We've reached a 90% design level What we've paused it. 00:16:38
So that EPM, the city and Volker could look at. 00:16:42
That scrubby bluff. 00:16:45
Treatment plant and. 00:16:46
See if it can handle more of the flows from extra 1. 00:16:49
Because if it could handle more of the flows and it's a good value for the city. 00:16:52
We could eliminate. 00:16:57
Some long. 00:16:58
Force main runs which is very costly. 00:16:59
And also alleviate some of the. 00:17:02
Pain points that Chris is looking at and some other risk in the existing system so. 00:17:05
That one's kind of on hold just for a couple weeks and in order to determine. 00:17:10
The best direction for the city? 00:17:13
For the lift station. 00:17:15
And I thought I had a slide there that said thank you and we'll take some questions. 00:17:28
In your packets up there. 00:17:32
In your packets up there some of the reports that we can print out. 00:17:34
On a monthly basis for the financials. 00:17:38
For the project. 00:17:41
We can do it. 00:17:43
Per project we can do the group of projects as you can see. 00:17:44
The cash flow. 00:17:47
And certainly our program. 00:17:50
Tool spits out a number of details. If folks are interested, we could certainly do a workshop or. 00:17:52
Show that on an individual basis or a couple people if you're interested in seeing how we track the finances for that. 00:17:59
Because this is a detailed. 00:18:06
Software that we use. 00:18:07
One question, Bill on the. 00:18:11
Access Rd. 00:18:13
For the water treatment and the fire station. 00:18:15
I don't know if this is exactly the same place that years ago rate. 00:18:20
Rainier, Radiant had proposed. 00:18:24
A fire station with a. 00:18:28
Potential commercial development. 00:18:31
You know, distribution centers, whatever an industrial area. 00:18:34
There on the Northside. 00:18:37
And in those initial drawings as I recall. 00:18:39
Call there was a. 00:18:42
Going to be a requirement for a bridge to go over some waterways and I don't know. 00:18:44
If that's been mitigated in some fashion, is the roads in the same place we're able to get away from the cost of that bridge? 00:18:49
Yeah, absolutely. Away from the bridge for sure. We mitigated the wetlands. So we are impacting the wetlands going through. 00:18:55
But we've mitigated that. 00:19:00
In the project. 00:19:02
And the city has had to pay for mitigation. 00:19:03
Bank to cover that mitigation. 00:19:06
But it's been covered, and it still is. 00:19:09
The plan north of the water plant. 00:19:11
To do some type of industrial. 00:19:14
Project Warehouse or something like that, but that's in Radiance court to still evaluate. 00:19:17
Exactly what they want to do up there. 00:19:22
As well as the commercial. 00:19:24
Yeah. 00:19:26
Yeah, the commercial pods along Saint Mary's. 00:19:27
Are still in Radiance Court. 00:19:30
OK. Thank you. 00:19:33
Yep. Anyone else have any other questions? 00:19:34
No, good job. Thank you very much. Appreciate you all being here tonight and then thank you for your support and of the. 00:19:36
Of the best. 00:19:43
We're excited. 00:19:45
We will for sure. Thank you. 00:19:48
I need help with. 00:19:53
We somebody cut fish too, so. 00:19:55
All right. Thank you all so much. 00:19:58
All right, next on our agenda tonight is a proclamation that I'll read for US Constitution Week. 00:20:00
And I believe we have a representative here. 00:20:06
Yes. 00:20:10
Hello. 00:20:13
OK, I'll read it anyway. 00:20:16
All right Proclamation for the United States of America, Constitution Week. 00:20:21
WHEREAS, September 17th, 2025 marks the 238th anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America. 00:20:25
By the Constitutional Convention. 00:20:33
And whereas Constitution week. 00:20:35
Is an American observance to commemorate the adoption. 00:20:37
And whereas it is fitting and proper to afford official recognition. 00:20:41
To this magnificent document. 00:20:45
It's memorable anniversary and patriotic celebrations. 00:20:47
Which commemorate the occasion. 00:20:50
It is important to reflect on the privilege of being an American, with all the rights and responsibilities which that privilege 00:20:53
involves. 00:20:56
And whereas public law, 9/15. 00:20:59
Guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year by the President of the United States of America. 00:21:02
Designating September 17th. 00:21:08
Through the 23rd as Constitution week. 00:21:10
And whereas Constitutional Week reminds all Americans to focus on this very important document. 00:21:13
By reviewing the Constitution. 00:21:19
Remembering the spirit which embodies it and educating our children. 00:21:21
On the importance of the Constitution. 00:21:25
So they may be good stewards of our tomorrow. 00:21:27
Now, therefore, I Gregory Lockhart, mayor of city of Saint Mary to. 00:21:30
About Proclaim September 17th through 23rd 25 as Constitution Week. 00:21:33
Thank you SO. 00:21:39
We'll get this to. 00:21:41
The representatives, but just so you know that we have some activities that will be going on. 00:21:43
That week. 00:21:48
That Miss Walker Reed is set up for us. 00:21:49
There'll be a table outside the doors there with some pocket Constitution copies. 00:21:52
There'll be some. 00:21:58
Coloring pages and things for crayons for the kids and stuff. There'll be some videos that you can come in. 00:21:59
Set up to watch on, you know how the Constitution came to be and some of those. 00:22:06
Kinds of things, so. 00:22:11
If you have an interest or would like to bring your children down, we'd certainly encourage you to do so. 00:22:13
Thank you very much. 00:22:18
Next item is the. 00:22:23
Board appointment announcement for the Tax Allocation district #3 we have one seat still. 00:22:25
And a board appointment. 00:22:31
Took under. 00:22:32
Because of term expiration of the Camden County Board of Education. 00:22:34
Sex Educ. 00:22:37
Instructional Review Committee, if you have any interest in serving on either one of those capacities. 00:22:39
Please see Miss Walker read. 00:22:44
All right. We have the report of our authority, so we have our finance. 00:22:46
Assistant Finance Director is going to be making our presentation looks like. 00:22:51
Yes, Sir. 00:22:54
Good evening Mayor and Council. In your packets you will find the financial report for the city's revenue and expenditures. 00:22:56
Through July 2025. 00:23:01
Which is the first month of the fiscal year 20, FY20 26. 00:23:04
Are there any questions? 00:23:08
All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:23:10
With that, we have our city manager. 00:23:18
Good evening Mayor and council and citizens. 00:23:25
Demolition of Old City Pool. 00:23:31
As everybody might be aware, Anderson Environmental. 00:23:33
Has been contracted to perform the. 00:23:36
The lead and asbestos removal of the swimming pool. 00:23:39
And accessory structures. 00:23:44
Contract deadlines for September the 28th, 2025. 00:23:46
Once this is completed, public works can begin the demolition process. 00:23:50
Right away, Mowing city. 00:23:55
The route for city cruises down to 14 days after. 00:23:57
Contracting additional Rd. sections and Waterfront Park. 00:24:01
The bowling crew is currently working in the. 00:24:04
N Dandy St. Spence St. Area. 00:24:07
And we'll head down, shadow on. 00:24:10
Area next. 00:24:12
The contractors Coastal Greenery and Addies. 00:24:14
Lawn care or walk in their perspective roadway sections. 00:24:17
Sidewalk and curb edging has been a topic of concern for residents due to the weed killers being used instead of mechanical 00:24:20
edging. 00:24:24
Contractors have may been made aware not to use the weed killer for hedging, but only. 00:24:28
For cracks and joint weed control. 00:24:33
Contractors have also been asked to provide a course for completing edging performed twice a month. 00:24:36
And we are waiting on those estimates. 00:24:41
Landscape Innovations has been contracted to remove and replace the stone paver walkways. 00:24:44
In the first row, median. 00:24:50
The one with the cannon. 00:24:53
At Saint Mary St. and Osborne. 00:24:54
Work is expected to begin around the middle of September and completely within one week. 00:24:57
Our ditch crews as of 9/15. 00:25:03
This crews are 70% complete with. 00:25:06
With the outfall ditches. 00:25:08
And just completed the ditches in the small St. 00:25:11
Area. 00:25:14
And Marsh Cove. 00:25:15
Area. 00:25:16
This crew number 2 is currently repairing a leaking storm drain inlet. 00:25:17
On stable alley and is cleaning ditches throughout the city. 00:25:23
That are in urgent need of cleaning. 00:25:26
Y'all play strange Project Public works staff have met with the three property owners and have received verbal commitments. 00:25:30
To provide easements to the city. 00:25:37
They use my documents have been developed by the city attorney. 00:25:39
The Public Works department is working to get the easement document signed by the property owners. 00:25:42
Once these must have been signed and recorded, the city can move and establish. 00:25:47
The necessary swell to mitigate the backyard drainage issues at that location. 00:25:52
Palmetto St. Drainage bill. 00:25:58
Is time tightening the property owner that is adjacent to amelt reach? 00:26:01
This is the partial that. 00:26:06
The temporary ditch. 00:26:08
Was constructed onto. 00:26:10
Mr. Amos. 00:26:12
Chris Amos sent the blow sketch showing. 00:26:14
Where the easement is needed, Bill? 00:26:17
Gross will forward this partial. 00:26:19
To the partial owner and let us know if he's agreeable with granting the easement. 00:26:21
We have received word from Mr. Gross that the property owner that he dealt with. 00:26:25
Is getting the proper. 00:26:30
Our proposed range easement. 00:26:31
Hold on, let me back up. 00:26:34
We have received word from Mr. Gross that the property owner that he dealt with is agreeing to the proposed range easement across 00:26:36
the property. 00:26:40
The Public Works is currently working to secure Surveyor. 00:26:44
For the survey and legal description, they did submit to the city attorney draft the easement. 00:26:48
Agreement for the property owner to sign. 00:26:54
Tollway Rd. Winding Rd. Roundabout. 00:26:59
The City of Kingsland and the City of Saint Mary's have teamed up on this project, including design, permit and construction. 00:27:03
The City of Kingsland will take the lead on the project, with the City of Saint Mary's having collaborative input throughout the 00:27:09
whole process. 00:27:13
With expenses being split 5050 between the two cities. 00:27:16
The request for qualifications and seal. 00:27:21
The proposals for design services have been put out by the City of Kingsland. 00:27:24
And they are set to be open on October 9th. 00:27:28
2025 at 2:00 PM. 00:27:31
The Limbic projects. 00:27:33
FY22. 00:27:37
FY23 24. 00:27:38
And the supplemental 24 are currently in progress. 00:27:41
However, there are punch list items. 00:27:45
And corrections. 00:27:47
To some of these St. locations. 00:27:51
Hormone. 00:27:52
Most of them have been strike. They're going through the process now of. 00:27:56
Double checking the punch list. 00:28:00
And ensuring that those projects are completed so. 00:28:02
And I think there's an inspection sometime this week. 00:28:06
All knows to finalize them. 00:28:09
Next you'll see in your packet council that's the grant status. 00:28:18
And we'd be here all night if I named everyone of them where we're at with the status. But. 00:28:22
Everything is right there for you to see. 00:28:26
Including the department. 00:28:28
And the funding? 00:28:30
And what agencies? 00:28:31
We are looking from. 00:28:32
Funding for Come on in the House. 00:28:34
How are you? 00:28:37
And mayor and council. 00:28:41
That completes my. 00:28:42
Report from Sydney. 00:28:44
Thank you. 00:28:46
Thank you. Miss Horton there. Any questions? 00:28:47
I do have a question about your place. 00:28:50
Yes, ma'am. 00:28:53
We drafted our attorney, I guess is drafted the. 00:28:54
Easements. 00:28:59
Are we having trouble reaching? 00:29:01
The families. 00:29:04
I don't believe so. 00:29:06
No, because we've we've been working on it for a while. 00:29:08
I'm just wondering when we're going to be able to get those signed and get it hopefully very soon. 00:29:12
Hopefully very soon. 00:29:18
All right. And as soon as we do, we're moving. 00:29:20
OK. All right. Thank you, Robbie. 00:29:24
Thank you, Sir. Thank you. 00:29:27
OK, this is. 00:29:32
Section where we'll uh. 00:29:34
Set our consent agenda, but I believe I. 00:29:37
To entertain a motion for Mr. Nascimento, yes, I'd like to add. 00:29:41
I I guess it would be R We're going to put it to the end. 00:29:45
On utilizing volunteers and retired military. 00:29:49
Both active or former law enforcement to patrol our schools to keep our schools safe. 00:29:53
So I just like to add that as a agenda item R for a discussion item. 00:29:58
AT. 00:30:04
Actually with three pass. 00:30:06
Thank you. I'll be after case. That's all we have. 00:30:10
As well. 00:30:14
You are. 00:30:15
We are. 00:30:17
Yeah, so we. 00:30:18
Team. 00:30:20
Whatever the next floor, the alphabet is that one. 00:30:23
Yeah, it's hard. 00:30:27
Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't have an S. 00:30:29
I have a cue. 00:30:31
We haven't. We have a different packet unless we added an item today and I don't have an updated package. 00:30:33
You always take the the second one on Friday, so you should. 00:30:40
You have. You should have. 00:30:45
Hello. Yeah, it's agenda item so far. 00:30:52
Yeah, understood. 00:30:56
Just the next letter. 00:30:58
All right, we're all going to go back to elementary school and work on the alphabet and learn that song again. 00:31:00
OK, so now we're going to set the motion. 00:31:07
Yes. So obviously I have a motion to add that to the agenda. 00:31:12
Their second I'll say of it. 00:31:15
Any discussion? 00:31:17
All those in favor. 00:31:19
Aye, any post. 00:31:20
All right, that's unanimous, Madam. We'll add nothing. 00:31:22
R OK. 00:31:25
Set the consent agenda. Now we have a item AO business. 00:31:28
Mission Trace covert replacement change order number one for AL Contracting. 00:31:33
Discuss. Discuss. 00:31:37
Under new business, we have item a resolution and quick claim deed for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary's Civic Park in 00:31:42
Lake Saint Mary's. 00:31:45
From the Cannon County Public Service Authority. 00:31:49
Accept can accept. 00:31:56
Item B Intergovernmental agreement for Parks and Recreation operations and programming, but. 00:32:00
Between Camden County, Camden County Public Service Authority, City of Kingsland, City of Woodbine, City of Saint Mary's. 00:32:05
Saint Mary's Civic St. Mary's. 00:32:11
Wrexham, Wreckfield and an otter's pond. 00:32:13
Discuss. 00:32:16
Item C Intergovernmental agreement. 00:32:21
Regarding Saint Mary's Submarine Museum marketing. 00:32:23
Between Camden County joint. 00:32:26
Development authority and City of Saint Mary's. 00:32:28
Consent. 00:32:31
Concern. 00:32:34
Consent. Consent. OK, I'm sorry. 00:32:35
Trying to make sure no no no discusses are mixed in there. 00:32:38
All right, consent. 00:32:42
Item T. 00:32:44
Additional personnel positions in police and public works departments. 00:32:45
Cancel. 00:32:48
Item E. 00:32:53
Budget ordinance amendment. 00:32:54
Fiscal year 2026 general fund equity Aquatic Center repairs. 00:32:55
Discuss. 00:32:59
Let's discuss item F Rezoning request for tax parcel S 3309006 from R1 single family residential with C1 commercial. 00:33:02
Church St. Cottages, 106 Church St. for Mr. Craig Root. 00:33:11
10%. 00:33:15
Item G Special use permit for parking lot on tax parcel. 00:33:20
S 3309006106 Church St. from Mr. Gregory. 00:33:24
Consent. 00:33:28
Item H Rezoning Request for Saint Mary's Commerce Park, Parcel 12B from I. 00:33:32
L Light industrial district. The C2. 00:33:38
Highway, commercial and community district. 00:33:40
Consent, Yeah. 00:33:43
Item I. 00:33:46
Zoning map amendment request for Saint Mary's Commerce and Industrial Park Development District overlay. 00:33:47
Commerce Park Industrial park site 2 and portion. 00:33:52
Of industrial park N site. 00:33:55
Consensus. 00:33:57
Item J. 00:34:00
Zoning. 00:34:01
Ordinance amendment to establish the Saint Mary's Commerce and the Industrial Park Development District. 00:34:02
Item K Resolution for 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district major rezoning. 00:34:12
Major subdivision, conceptual and preliminary plat applications and civil plan reviews. Discuss. 00:34:18
Item mail right of way encroachment license agreement between city of Saint Mary's and crack and coffee and kitchen company cities 00:34:29
creative uses of ripe. 00:34:33
Of way pilot program. 00:34:37
Discuss. 00:34:38
I don't mean I'm a professional services deductive amendment #1. 00:34:42
To current England hymns. 00:34:46
Miller task order one designed for tattoo water treatment plant. 00:34:48
Item N Professional services Deductive amendments #1 to current England teams and Miller task order number 3. 00:34:56
Fire Station Access Rd. Still Waters Rd. 00:35:03
And Phase 1A entry Rd. Esplanade Blvd. 00:35:06
Consent. 00:35:08
Item O. 00:35:13
Memorandum of agreement. Mutual aid. Firefighting assistance between Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay and City of Saint Mary's 00:35:15
concern. 00:35:18
Item P Fourth quarter town hall and development progress update. 00:35:25
Did you want to give clarification on that? 00:35:32
You know, we could discuss. That's fine. 00:35:36
Item Q Financial. 00:35:41
Consulting services for Financial Policy. Internal control of accounting system. 00:35:43
ERP and internal management reporting. 00:35:47
Malden and Jenkins. 00:35:50
Consent. 00:35:52
And item R using former military and volunteer as volunteers. 00:35:56
For the schools. 00:36:01
Discuss. Discuss. 00:36:02
All right, so to review that agenda. 00:36:06
I have. 00:36:09
Items for discussion. AO Business. 00:36:10
On Mission Trace covert replacements. 00:36:13
Under new business. 00:36:16
The intergovernmental agreement for. 00:36:17
Parks and Recreation operations and programming between. 00:36:19
The municipalities in the county. 00:36:22
The budget ordinance amendment. 00:36:26
For fiscal year 20. 00:36:28
26 General fund equity for the Aquatic Center repairs. 00:36:30
The resolution for the 90 day moratorium on new plan development. Item K. 00:36:36
Item L. 00:36:42
The right of way encroachment license. 00:36:43
Agreement between the city and Kraken. 00:36:45
And Item P the fourth quarter Town Hall development progress update. 00:36:49
Item R. 00:36:54
The uh. 00:36:56
Former military volunteer for the school system. 00:36:57
Discuss. So those are the. 00:36:59
Items for discussion. The rest are under consent. 00:37:02
And at this point, we will grant audience to the public, so. 00:37:04
You'd like to speak on any of these agenda items or? 00:37:09
Frankly, anything else concerning the city, please come to the podium. 00:37:12
And give us your name and your address please. 00:37:16
And good evening, Julia McCullough, 603 N St. Saint Mary's. 00:37:19
Georgia. I am a member of the Saint Mary's Historic Preservation Commission. 00:37:24
A member statue, Boyce is here as well. 00:37:29
Marvin Melvin Taylor, who is our chair, He is out of town tonight and he gave me permission to speak on behalf of the Commission. 00:37:34
I'm here specifically to speak about the encroachment license of crack and coffee. 00:37:42
I see on the City Council agenda. 00:37:47
There's a recommendation for approval of the license. I just wanted to go through a couple of the things that were on there. First 00:37:50
of all, I want to say that the idea of that is amazing. 00:37:54
I think that the city has a lot to gain by having. 00:37:59
Parklets or outside cafes, I think we there's some. 00:38:02
Some speed issues and it's not being thought out thoroughly. 00:38:07
And quickly. And I think there's some problems with safety. So umm. 00:38:10
I encourage each of you to look in your packet and there's three main areas of concern. 00:38:15
The first one. 00:38:19
A second paragraph under the history and analysis while the program was presented to the HBC on multiple. 00:38:20
Times, it was in no way ever vetted by the HPC. We've actually it's kind of been circumnavigated around us. 00:38:28
And umm, uh. 00:38:36
There were some huge concerns raised on several occasions by at least four HPC members when the city planning office spoke with us 00:38:38
regarding the right of way encroachment. And at that time it was for cracking and brackish beer. That's that was the original 00:38:42
piece. 00:38:47
And even though this is being given to us as a pilot program and it's happening inside of the historic district and we'll add 00:38:53
specific and significant design elements to the district, we were never given an application of certificate of appropriateness. 00:39:00
In the matter. So there was never a motion made for approval or denying. I just want you all to understand that piece. 00:39:08
In fact, we were told that they were not. 00:39:14
Actually seeking our approval that they were simply asking for our blessing and that was a little disturbing considering some of 00:39:17
the issues that we even have tonight about the slate walkway. 00:39:22
In the park being removed because we were not a part of that as well. So I just don't want things like that to happen without the 00:39:27
HPC being involved. 00:39:31
#2 the sidewalk cafe permit. 00:39:36
Clearly requires. 00:39:39
And number six in the packets that you have. 00:39:41
Three specific pieces to the layout plan. The first one was completed. That's the one where they show where the. 00:39:43
The I guess the tables are that there's black blocks. I assume that that's. 00:39:50
Tables. It really wasn't labeled well. 00:39:54
And however, the bulleted points two and three have not been included in the application. 00:39:56
In fact, although they are a requirement. 00:40:01
Of a completed application, the community development. 00:40:04
Department stated. 00:40:08
In the recommendations to the council, the specific and it says quote the specifications have not been completed for either item 00:40:09
and recommends the council approve the encroachment license. 00:40:15
And then collaborative efforts for design and specifications would be worked on at a later date. And it seems to me that we're 00:40:21
putting. 00:40:25
The cart before the horse. I think when we're doing a pilot program like this, we need to move slowly. 00:40:28
And all of those items need to be in place so everybody has an idea of what it should look like. 00:40:34
Before it's voted on. 00:40:39
Let's just slow down and make sure the application and the requirements have been satisfied before approving the agreement. 00:40:41
As a sidebar. 00:40:47
Proposed project is within the historic district. The HPC has been left out of the final design and you can see that in your 00:40:48
packets directly above the city managers. 00:40:54
On signature, you'll see that all of the. 00:40:59
Organizations that were originally. 00:41:01
Supposedly vetted for this. 00:41:04
The HPC has been left out of any kind of design ideas and we'd like to be included in that. 00:41:06
More specific, the site layout plan requirement for the Sidewalk Cafe permit. It's supposed to include photographs, drawings, 00:41:13
manufacturer brochures describing the appearance and materials and the dimensions of everything that are proposed furnishings. 00:41:19
Again, this requirement of the completed application and it's been recommended by the council, approve the application as is and 00:41:26
then collaboratively work on those later. And again, I think we're putting some things. 00:41:32
In the wrong order. 00:41:39
#3 The final area concern, and possibly the most important, is insurance and safety. 00:41:41
The Application requirement #5 The application requires a minimum of $500,000 general liability insurance. 00:41:47
And that the city be named as the code insured. 00:41:53
The applicant generously purchased a million dollar life insurance policy. We kind of got to ask ourselves why is. 00:41:56
Your safety and issue on Osborne St. 00:42:03
We've been having, I think we've already had conversations with the Milton case last year and. 00:42:06
I think Council has some conversations with that at one of those meetings. 00:42:10
Mayor Lockhart and council members. 00:42:15
56. 00:42:17
Feet 56 feet. 00:42:18
And thank you for some of y'all looking up at that. 00:42:22
That's how long it would take a car. 00:42:24
Traveling 25 miles an hour on Osborne St. to stop. 00:42:26
25. 00:42:30
MPH 56 feet, the Historic Preservation Commission has suggested. 00:42:31
That the right of way encroachment actually be turned on the corner of Stable Alley Rd. where there's two parallel. 00:42:37
Parking spots. 00:42:43
That. 00:42:45
These two spaces along with the sidewalk would result in the same seating area, but would keep the city seating area off of 00:42:46
Osborne St. as we all know. 00:42:51
It's had its fair share of high speed incidents and accidents. 00:42:56
The license agreement should be tabled tonight. 00:43:00
Because the application is incomplete. 00:43:03
Because the HPC has been left off of the collaborative efforts in the design specifications. 00:43:05
And because there could be safer alternatives to. 00:43:11
To achieve the same exact outcome. 00:43:13
Thank you. 00:43:16
For your thoughts on that. 00:43:17
Thank you. 00:43:19
Roger Shaw, 30 Maramont Court, St. Marys, GA. 00:43:27
I have a few things here I want to. 00:43:30
Discuss. I don't know if I need to borrow. 00:43:32
Mr. Burch, Mr. Bert's egg timer. 00:43:34
Or I'll rely on the mayor to give me the high sign when I start running out of time. 00:43:37
Anyway, I know I'm beating a dead horse talking about that traffic roundabout. 00:43:42
If I have a daughter, that's on the zoning committee. 00:43:46
And Kingsland. 00:43:48
And when they improved? 00:43:49
State Route 40. 00:43:51
Let me state route 40. 00:43:54
Out to five corners. 00:43:57
They want to put a roundabout in there. 00:43:59
The city voted it down. 00:44:02
And So what do they have traffic lights in there? 00:44:04
OK, I I lived in New York City in the late 60s and early 70s for 2 1/2 years and I was stationary on Governors Island. 00:44:06
I don't know if anybody's been in there, been around Columbus Circle. 00:44:13
OK, Columbus Circle was always a gigantic headache. 00:44:17
It was crazy. 00:44:20
Go to Google Earth today. 00:44:21
And look at the earth view. 00:44:23
Traffic cameras all around that. 00:44:25
I mean. 00:44:26
Traffic lights all around that. 00:44:27
That area. 00:44:29
The other thing is. 00:44:31
You know, it's got the situation here if Saint Mary's can't get things done with the state. 00:44:32
And we have two Republican. 00:44:37
Representatives of this area. 00:44:39
And can't get anything done. 00:44:41
Maybe it's time to get other people in there. 00:44:43
Because, as the Chinese say, it's not whether the cat is black or white, it's whether it catches the mouse. 00:44:46
You know, obviously not catching the mouse. 00:44:51
The other thing was the Jacobi project. 00:44:54
That they were trying to get that thing and it got. 00:44:56
Held up, uh. 00:44:58
Because they could not get an archaeological permit. 00:44:59
To excavate, To trash. 00:45:02
And Mr. Jones said. 00:45:05
Was existing there. 00:45:06
And that went on and on and on. 00:45:08
And Mr. Horton had gone to the state and they said if you come back to us one more time, you can just forget about. 00:45:10
So this thing continued on. They're paying off the bond. 00:45:15
The backer said this is ridiculous and left. 00:45:19
Jacoby went. 00:45:21
Bankrupt on that. 00:45:23
So. 00:45:24
That was a TAD. 00:45:26
One of our. 00:45:28
Tax allocation districts. 00:45:28
And what happens is Monisha, who's paying that all? 00:45:31
So that the city of Saint Mary's and the. 00:45:33
Joint development agency. 00:45:36
When the city state marriage, that means us. 00:45:38
County, US. 00:45:40
Are paying that off. 00:45:42
OK, next thing. 00:45:43
Is talking about this new City Hall? 00:45:46
Where we talked, all you council members have talked about we're building more and more and. 00:45:49
Saint Mary's is building and all this stuff is going on. 00:45:53
So what do you folks do? 00:45:56
To cut the budget down on new City Hall. 00:45:59
You reduce the size of planning. 00:46:02
Now I only have a bachelor's degree, so I'm not. 00:46:05
One of the academic intelligentsia. 00:46:08
But that seems. 00:46:11
Pretty counterproductive to me. 00:46:12
So you go down the road, now what are you going to have to do? 00:46:13
You're gonna have to figure out how to expand that planning department after you've cut it down. 00:46:16
Every time. 00:46:20
I have been on a job. I did this for 37 years. 00:46:22
When we had the project set up and people said, oh Jesus, so much, let's cut here, let's cut here, let's cut here, let's cut 00:46:25
there. 00:46:28
We started cutting it as we got into the job, started things tearing apart. Things start coming together and they start looking at 00:46:32
this and start going, yeah, yeah, maybe we put should have put. 00:46:36
In all those sliding glass doors for where this big deck is going to go in there down the road. 00:46:40
Well, as soon as they start doing this. 00:46:46
Then what happens? 00:46:48
Your whole project falls apart. 00:46:50
Your critical timelines fall apart. 00:46:53
Your subcontractors. 00:46:55
Times fall apart. 00:46:57
You have to order material that sometimes they have to be custom. 00:46:59
Take four or five weeks to get. 00:47:03
So guess what? 00:47:04
When they come back and doing this. 00:47:05
This costs about 20% more and also. 00:47:07
It increases the completion time. In California you have to have a completion date. 00:47:10
So I put down on my change orders complete state, completion state, completion date, complete state. 00:47:14
I had one guy come up to me and said you were supposed to be out of here March 4th. 00:47:18
And it's March 7th. What's going on? 00:47:21
So I open the contract up, went through there. 00:47:24
Well, here's here's the change orders. 00:47:26
So I looked at changes and said here's days, here's days, here's days, here's date. 00:47:31
I picked up my bag, start walking out there, he says. Where are you going? 00:47:35
I said I'm going Salem. We got more 15 days ahead of schedule. 00:47:38
He never had a problem with him again. 00:47:42
OK, so anyway I don't understand this. 00:47:44
Next thing, change orders. We just kind of got into the change order thing. 00:47:47
That here you were on this culvert situation. 00:47:51
Well, the guy wants to put in a change order and you say absolutely not. 00:47:54
Now Councilman Connors had asked the gentleman from the city. 00:47:58
Up here. 00:48:03
How would you know? 00:48:04
What that culvert had to be? 00:48:06
And he said you had to tear up the street. 00:48:08
Now if I had a job. 00:48:10
That I had to do forensic deconstruction. 00:48:12
To figure out what's in there. 00:48:15
To do my due diligence. 00:48:17
You're paying for it. 00:48:20
OK. And if I got into a job? 00:48:21
And because. 00:48:24
The customer. 00:48:26
And his architect? 00:48:27
For whomever they had the designer. 00:48:29
Said OK, we want to run this 10 inch ducting for this huge fan that's going outside in this kitchen. 00:48:32
And I say, well, did you got to check everything up in the ceiling to make sure it goes? They said, well, there's a. 00:48:37
A Bay that goes all the way over there. 00:48:42
OK, great. 00:48:44
We put it in, bid it this way and I said. 00:48:45
Depends on what we find when you open it up. 00:48:47
We open it up. They had remodeled the bathroom upstairs, put a big header across there, but. 00:48:49
OK, big problem. 00:48:53
I'd be damned if they said. 00:48:55
And they said we're not paying for a change order. 00:48:57
On a pack of my bags. 00:49:00
I would have filed A lien against their property and filed suit. 00:49:02
Right away, right now, I wouldn't hesitate one instant. 00:49:05
So I don't know but. 00:49:08
The contracting. 00:49:09
Community is very small. 00:49:11
And you folks do that stuff, you're going to get a red flag next to your. 00:49:14
Name and when? 00:49:17
You get put out bids. 00:49:20
They're going to look at that. 00:49:21
Forget it's not worth it. 00:49:23
And if you do get somebody to submit a bid? 00:49:24
It is going to be 75 to 100% higher. 00:49:28
To cover this stuff. 00:49:32
Now go back a little bit when they had the. 00:49:34
Building the kitchen for. 00:49:36
Make sure my time. 00:49:38
OK, fine. OK, OK, thank. 00:49:39
Thank you. You're supposed to. You're supposed to. 00:49:42
You're supposed to. You were on a roll. I was trying to let you finish up, but. 00:49:44
Ken Jelly 102 Salt grass Trace here in Saint Mary's. 00:49:52
I wanted to talk just a little bit about. 00:49:56
The pilot program for. 00:49:58
Sidewalk dining. 00:50:01
And certainly I appreciate all the comments from the HPC representative. 00:50:02
There this is a pilot program. 00:50:09
And uh. 00:50:12
With any new program, there's going to become. 00:50:13
All kinds of surprises and questions and. 00:50:18
What ifs and. 00:50:22
And that's to be expected. 00:50:23
And and that's good that that is done because the last thing anybody wants is a pilot program that's going to fail. 00:50:25
So we want it to be successful, of course. 00:50:32
So I'm going to go back a little bit. 00:50:35
To tell you about a story. 00:50:38
In 1949, when I was old enough for my mother to take me downtown. 00:50:43
In Nashua, NH. 00:50:48
And what an experience that was walking down the sidewalk in this big city and looking around and. 00:50:50
And my mother said we're going to stop at Martha's Sweet Shop or Martha's Sweet Shop was a very small business. 00:50:57
Family owned and they made their own ice cream. 00:51:03
And then you could buy. 00:51:06
Very exotic nuts there. They would import Brazil nuts and pistachios and so on and so forth. 00:51:08
The ice cream was delicious, but what I really remember about that is there were three tables outside of Martha's sweet shop. 00:51:16
Where people were sitting. 00:51:23
And enjoying their ice cream on that hot day. 00:51:24
And uh. 00:51:27
The next time I went to Martha's sweet shop, they had some umbrellas. There was sort of shade, the folks and. 00:51:28
And then maybe couple of years later they they had an awning and that more tables. 00:51:33
And then the next thing I know, the sidewalk got widened. 00:51:39
And now there's a whole bunch of tables and. 00:51:42
Pedestrians coming back and forth were just walking by saying hello, hello, how are you? 00:51:46
And uh. 00:51:51
Before you know it. 00:51:52
You had a reservation list that you had to sign up on. 00:51:53
In order to be able to get a seat. 00:51:57
At Martha's Sweet Shop. 00:52:00
For that sidewalk dining. 00:52:01
Eventually. 00:52:03
Grew. You could buy sandwiches and so on and so forth. 00:52:04
But. 00:52:08
That all said. 00:52:09
To get to that point required. 00:52:11
Close looks at a lot of different factors. 00:52:14
And in some adjustments as things move forward. So I think it's a wonderful pilot program. I think it's. 00:52:17
A great initiative on on everyone's part that's involved. 00:52:25
And I really, really look forward to seeing something like that come to fruition. 00:52:28
As a pilot program and if works out real well. 00:52:34
I've I've seen it in a lot of other large cities. 00:52:37
Of course, it was on a much larger scale as well. 00:52:40
Safety is an issue, absolutely. 00:52:43
Removable bollards that you stick in the ground, maybe that big around. 00:52:46
And things like that. So I think it's a very doable plan. 00:52:52
And everybody that's involved in it and trying to move it forward, I applaud them. 00:52:56
Thank you very much. 00:53:00
November 1949. 00:53:04
Good evening, Nick Harris, 102 Hamlet Circle. 00:53:10
I think I've exhausted myself. 00:53:13
Through different agencies within the city. So now I'm coming to ask you all for help. 00:53:16
In a collective solution because any problem? 00:53:21
Definitely has a solution, but. 00:53:24
As I've gone through the different departments. 00:53:26
Everybody's. 00:53:29
You know, compartmentalize and they have a different opinion. 00:53:31
And my wife and I own farm to family. 00:53:35
And we've been doing well but the last month. 00:53:37
Since school started. 00:53:42
I'm looking at our numbers and they're dwindling significantly and it's about. 00:53:43
Parking and I've been to Bill Gross. 00:53:48
Who we own. 00:53:52
I've been to the Police Department for. 00:53:53
And talk to them. 00:53:55
I've personally been over across the street. The cost? 00:53:56
To talk to the principal. 00:53:59
I've talked to Candace and her crew. 00:54:01
And I've spoken to the city planner. 00:54:03
And I've even addressed it. 00:54:06
With Councilwoman. 00:54:07
King and we haven't come up with a solution. 00:54:09
But there's always. 00:54:12
We're losing business. 00:54:13
Because families are too freaking lazy. 00:54:15
To use the back parking lot of that school every day. 00:54:18
You go camp out there tomorrow. 00:54:22
That parking lot is empty. 00:54:24
However, everybody wants to park. 00:54:26
In the three or four spots in front of our store. 00:54:30
So when we have a lot of. 00:54:33
Senior citizens or people with disabilities. 00:54:35
So when they walk by. 00:54:38
In those four. 00:54:40
Parking spots are taken up. 00:54:41
They keep going. 00:54:43
We're losing money. 00:54:44
Because of what the principle? 00:54:46
Won't do. 00:54:49
The solution is we either put some decorative things and I know. 00:54:50
The state has a jaywalking. 00:54:54
Law, but I'm not sure. 00:54:57
We do, and the state requires everybody to use a crosswalk. 00:54:59
Which would mean everybody's got a walk. 00:55:04
A significant amount. 00:55:06
To get to the school door. 00:55:07
Somebody in Councilwoman? 00:55:09
King can justify this because I think it happened to her if you watch those families. 00:55:12
Mom is getting a. 00:55:18
Teeny little one out of the car seat. 00:55:19
And the other kids have already. 00:55:22
Come out of the car, she doesn't have control and they darted out. 00:55:24
Into the street. 00:55:27
She almost hit. 00:55:29
One of those kids. 00:55:30
Why are we gonna wait? 00:55:31
To do something. 00:55:33
After somebody's injured. 00:55:34
Or they're not paying attention. 00:55:36
In the door. 00:55:38
Opens and the kids getting out of the car. 00:55:39
And they sideswipe the car. 00:55:41
A solution over several. 00:55:43
We either put something, we enforce A jaywalking thing where everybody. 00:55:45
He's got to go to the crosswalk, which is going to be hard to do. 00:55:50
Because right there we've got. 00:55:53
Two police people. 00:55:56
Monitoring the traffic. 00:55:59
To walk people across the street, but they're not paying any attention. 00:56:01
To the people darting out. 00:56:05
Across the street. 00:56:06
2 would be to put some kind of. 00:56:08
Flower beds or something in those four spaces. 00:56:10
Or it's not going to be convenient to dart across. 00:56:14
When talking to the chief people. 00:56:17
Coming in here tonight. 00:56:19
I'm asking the city. 00:56:21
We say we're a city of one. We say we want. 00:56:23
Small businesses right now, the way it's structured. 00:56:26
A new small business is losing money. 00:56:29
Because there's no parking. 00:56:32
With the grunters. 00:56:35
The parking on the. 00:56:36
When you go into their parking lot, that whole side. 00:56:38
Is designated for the people that are. 00:56:41
I'm renting their VR Vos. 00:56:43
The first two or three going in on the right. 00:56:45
Or handicap accessible so it leaves you maybe? 00:56:48
Four in the parking lot and then the rest. 00:56:51
Have to go. 00:56:55
Behind in the alley there. 00:56:56
How about the city? 00:57:00
Give farm to family. 00:57:02
3 or 4 spaces right in front of our store. 00:57:04
And they put a time limit sign there. 00:57:08
Between, you know, you got 20 minutes. 00:57:10
For 30 minutes. 00:57:13
The park between these two signs because. 00:57:14
People aren't coming in to farm the family to camp out. 00:57:17
They're coming in. 00:57:20
To get their stuff. 00:57:21
And they're moving out. 00:57:23
Max is probably 15, maybe 20. 00:57:24
So between 4:00. 00:57:27
Parking. 00:57:29
Maybe parking limit signs 30 minutes only. 00:57:30
Between these two signs. 00:57:34
And we start enforcing that, but we can't. 00:57:36
Continue just to say well. 00:57:39
That's just the way it is, especially. 00:57:41
When we've got a parking lot at that school. 00:57:44
It's Plumb but empty. 00:57:47
Because people are just too freaking lazy. 00:57:49
Because I'm thinking if you got to go from the parking lot. 00:57:52
It's, you know, not a big trek. 00:57:55
But you're trekking in it, and even teachers, they come. 00:57:58
During the day in this past week. 00:58:01
This is no joke. 00:58:04
From the time that bell rang. 00:58:05
To the time that bill ended. 00:58:08
Teachers took. 00:58:10
Every parking spot. 00:58:11
On that whole block. 00:58:13
It's just not fair. 00:58:15
We can't do it. I think there's every other business. 00:58:16
In the city. 00:58:19
Has ample parking right in front of their store. 00:58:20
We shouldn't be. 00:58:24
The only sole entity and we are losing. 00:58:26
Money. 00:58:29
Because of the lack of parking. 00:58:30
When there's a valuable parking. 00:58:33
For the people. 00:58:35
That are taking it. So we need a solution from the city and. 00:58:37
Since I've brought it to everybody's attention. 00:58:41
Until we get it fixed, I'm just going to be that. 00:58:43
Voice of soreness. 00:58:46
Until we come to some things because we cannot afford. 00:58:48
To keep losing. 00:58:51
30 to 40%. 00:58:53
Profit to keep our doors open. 00:58:55
In Everybody's wanting us to be here. 00:58:58
Thank you. 00:59:01
Thank you. 00:59:02
Councilman. Mayor. 00:59:19
Shirley Sessions on 14 Boston Court I got. 00:59:21
A few things I want to mention. 00:59:25
I see the trailing still up there by the railroad track. I don't think y'all ever looked in that on that. 00:59:27
You know that. 00:59:32
Paint trail out there. I told you how to look for it. 00:59:33
Also, I wanted to actually, with Saint Mary's, got so much going on, so much of building the housing and all the things, which is 00:59:37
wonderful. 00:59:41
But had anybody thought about the impact of this going to have on the schools with the new? 00:59:46
Homes and residents coming into Saint Mary's. I just wanted to. 00:59:51
To ask about that. 00:59:55
And also. 00:59:57
Impact on the Police Department to more areas to cover. 01:00:00
And I want to thank. 01:00:03
Chief. The chief Galloway. 01:00:04
For keeping me from going to jail the other day. 01:00:07
We got some kids, that is. 01:00:11
Terrorizing the area and. 01:00:14
Smart Miles, I'm old school. 01:00:18
And I tell y'all. 01:00:22
I had to call him. 01:00:24
And I didn't mean to interrupt his hunting trip, but. 01:00:25
To keep me from going to jail. He did help me out because I was going out there to grab those kids and I want to thank him for 01:00:28
helping helping me on that. This is a serious matter. Y'all just don't every day we go through something. 01:00:34
And also. 01:00:41
I want to ask you all. 01:00:42
The bicycles that. 01:00:46
On the road. 01:00:49
Do the bicycle supposed to be going along with the traffic? 01:00:51
Or do they call to be? 01:00:54
Facing the traffic because I almost hit somebody that was coming, I had to look. 01:00:55
Because they was coming at me and I'm so used to traffic. 01:00:59
And bicycles doing the same. 01:01:03
Direction. 01:01:05
Is that a law here that you have to go the same direction and put some lights on your bikes? 01:01:07
Going the same direction it has. It scared me the other night when I almost hit this guy. 01:01:13
I almost hit him because he was coming after me instead of flooring with me. 01:01:19
So I think that you need to really look into that before someone gets, you know. 01:01:22
Knocked over in a ditch on these bicycles and they don't have lights on them. 01:01:27
Anything, uh. 01:01:32
Like that? 01:01:33
And another thing. 01:01:35
Starwalks. Do y'all have any intention of putting sidewalk? 01:01:36
Down Chlorine Road and down Kings Bay Rd. Go through Walmart. 01:01:40
All of that because another thing I guy was walking. 01:01:46
And you couldn't even hollow see it. You couldn't see really until you was on him. And he will flock it right there on the edge of 01:01:50
the road. 01:01:53
Right down the edge and I wanted to know are y'all considering in the sidewalks that will help? 01:01:57
Predestined people walking. There's a store. 01:02:03
In those area, please look in that. 01:02:06
Look at that. 01:02:09
And, umm. 01:02:10
See about correcting that for me please. 01:02:12
And also the outside restaurants and. 01:02:14
I like them. I tell you. I live in Spain and that's all you had outside you go to. 01:02:18
And and everything was outside restaurants outside. So those are pretty, that's a pretty good idea. 01:02:22
If you all. 01:02:27
Do it right. 01:02:30
So it's a good idea. I like that. 01:02:32
And I think. 01:02:34
That's about it. 01:02:37
Yeah, that's it. Thank you. 01:02:40
The city manager and I had a conversation about it this morning, Sir, so. 01:02:47
Michael Wilson, 203 E Hall St. Saint Mary's. 01:02:51
My concerns are. 01:02:56
The distance from. 01:02:58
The railroad tracks. 01:03:00
The east side of Osborne. 01:03:02
That's where the water flow. 01:03:04
And I challenge you. 01:03:06
To take a ride. 01:03:08
And see how many ditches. 01:03:10
Are working the last time I complained about it. 01:03:11
They send me to the roads department. 01:03:15
And I got the idea told me. 01:03:17
They don't do that kind of work. They haven't done that kind of work. 01:03:19
Buddy Barnes died. 01:03:23
OK, for example. 01:03:25
The other day you had the guy at the bushel. 01:03:27
Cleaning out the boat ramp where you can see. 01:03:30
That was beautiful. 01:03:33
Because we got kids that ride bikes there. 01:03:34
And it's hard to see. 01:03:37
But I asked a guy. 01:03:38
It's a ditch. 01:03:40
That's put on the corner. 01:03:42
Of 1000 N St. 01:03:44
That belongs to my mom. 01:03:46
And she was complaining about the ditch. 01:03:48
But at that time, I was working in just about living in Jacksonville. 01:03:51
And when I looked at the disc the other day, I went to the city Wilko. 01:03:55
And he told me, he said, Mr. I guarantee you I look at it. 01:04:00
But we didn't dig that ***** he said the city gave. 01:04:03
The contractor that build those. 01:04:07
Duplex homes. 01:04:09
Their permission to put the ditch there. 01:04:11
Now, I grew up as a kid. 01:04:14
I'm 71 years old and I never seen the ditch there. 01:04:15
And I know people raised candy about it. 01:04:19
But nothing was done. 01:04:21
So when he told me, he said, I promise you. 01:04:23
That I'm gonna. 01:04:25
I'm gonna take this bushel. 01:04:26
And I'll clear that ditch for you. 01:04:28
No sooner than I got in the house. 01:04:31
He was gone. 01:04:33
So I'm challenging. 01:04:34
That the last time a hurricane came up the East Coast. 01:04:36
It was 6 men in my neighborhood. 01:04:41
That went along with the shovels doing the. 01:04:43
13 and dugout *******. 01:04:45
That ain't going to work no more. 01:04:48
Three of those men are already gone. 01:04:51
And if you think I'm joking, just take a ride. Get in your golf carts, ride. 01:04:54
And check and see how many of those. 01:04:58
Would work if we got into everything. 01:05:01
Today. Thank you. 01:05:03
Good evening. Sean Myers, 817 Riverview Dr. West also. 01:05:12
Like Mr. Ken Jelly, I want to lend my support also for the. 01:05:17
Hacking and the stations that were setting up there. 01:05:22
For patrons and restaurants. 01:05:26
I think that's a very good idea. 01:05:28
We've worked hard on. I also work with the development authority. 01:05:30
And we worked hard with putting together. 01:05:34
The grant program to support that. 01:05:37
So I am in full support of that, but I also acknowledge what was stated here on today and again. 01:05:39
I don't know exactly. 01:05:45
I'm assuming she got up here in the exactness of that. So one things I would say is this. 01:05:46
At work, we say work at the speed of compliance. 01:05:51
She brought up a lot of things here. They are in full support of cracking. 01:05:54
But also, say, work at the speed of compliance. 01:05:59
So again, I can't tell you what that means. 01:06:02
But obviously she put out some information here today. 01:06:05
So just ask that you simply evaluate that. 01:06:07
And also the gentleman was speaking early about the. 01:06:10
Situation, he was talking about that and I think I talked with. 01:06:13
Councilman Jones about this. 01:06:17
Before as well. 01:06:20
That particular situation I was explaining a couple of weeks ago again. 01:06:21
My background is civil engineering. 01:06:24
Wrote a lot of contracts, scope of works and stuff like that. 01:06:27
And when we have typically give someone a drawing. 01:06:30
And they are to go and. 01:06:34
Do whatever work that is. 01:06:38
One of the things that we always put in there. 01:06:40
If we give you a drawing, we. 01:06:42
We are responsible for it. 01:06:44
But we would put a note in that it says. 01:06:46
The contractor is responsible for field verification. 01:06:48
All dimensions. 01:06:52
When you do that. 01:06:53
That eliminates a change order. 01:06:55
Because. 01:06:57
If the contract he has an option, at that point he or she has an option. 01:06:58
They can either accept. 01:07:02
The drawings as you provided them. 01:07:04
And if they do, and if they go off and bid everything based upon that? 01:07:07
Then they also accept the risk and if they find something. 01:07:11
Guess what they can't do? They can't come back to the city. 01:07:14
Because they are responsible for field verification. 01:07:17
So that's one way. 01:07:20
Again, I didn't. 01:07:22
Obviously I didn't see the drawings of scope work or anything. 01:07:23
That's one of the things that we used to do when it comes to working with. 01:07:26
Existing structures. 01:07:29
A simple note like the contractors responsible for. 01:07:30
Field verification of drawings. 01:07:33
It'll save your life. 01:07:35
In the end, so. 01:07:37
Thank you. Thank you. 01:07:38
My name is Chloe Claflin and I'm here to represent Cracking Coffee and Kitchen Company at 122 Osborne St. 01:07:49
I know there's been some discussion and Julie? 01:07:56
Brought up some different things. 01:07:58
Tonight is just for the approval of the approach. 01:08:01
To move on with the process of actually. 01:08:05
And all of that comes back to the cafe per minute. 01:08:09
So we can't move forward. 01:08:12
We the the steps that Jamies taking is just to do the approachment to say, hey, it's OK. 01:08:14
And then we come back and then we bring our design to the DA. 01:08:19
SM The DDA, the Historical Society. 01:08:23
To address the insurance. 01:08:27
That's just our standard insurance. 01:08:29
There was nothing. 01:08:31
Extra added. 01:08:32
That was just our standard insurance that we did. We added the Saint Mary's. 01:08:34
City of Saint Mary's as we were asked. 01:08:38
We're just following. 01:08:41
What Jamie wants us to do. 01:08:43
We, we, we're, we're just trying to be in compliance. 01:08:48
And we don't want to upset anybody and we don't want to do any of that. 01:08:51
So that's one reason this process, I think we started this back in January. 01:08:54
And she just. 01:08:58
Sees it as getting to the part of the approachment so that we can move to the cafe. 01:09:00
Which comes to the. 01:09:05
The design. 01:09:06
We do have some designs out there where we're not interrupting the streets. 01:09:07
We use planter boxes with fences that come apart. 01:09:11
The planner boxes are weighed down with water. 01:09:15
So that we could remove them during the hurricane season. 01:09:17
So we put. 01:09:20
They wanted him at 3 foot. 01:09:22
So a two by two square foot box. 01:09:24
Holds 8 cubic feet of water. 01:09:27
Which equals 60 gallons of water, which equals £600. 01:09:30
So each one of the flower boxes that are on the six foot spans to make the 26. 01:09:34
To make the 12:00. 01:09:40
Each one of those will weigh 600 lbs. 01:09:42
So if somebody was to actually hit. 01:09:44
The planner box. 01:09:47
It's not going to move. 01:09:48
But when we go to remove them for the hurricane. 01:09:49
We can drain the water out of the bottom. 01:09:52
Or outlook than £600. We're loading them on a trailer. 01:09:54
And we could take them apart. There is no obstruction to the street. 01:09:56
There's nothing that we're doing to damage the street. 01:10:00
Any of those things there? 01:10:02
We're not trying to leave anybody out. 01:10:04
Of the design. 01:10:05
We've come up with. 01:10:07
Mr. Jelly and that board. 01:10:09
On trying to design, that's kind of how we got the diagram that you guys seen earlier today. 01:10:12
With the 20 feet, that was their design. 01:10:16
We're just doing what everybody. 01:10:19
Is asking us to do so. 01:10:21
I think it'd be great. 01:10:23
For the city. 01:10:25
Pray for us, but I think it brings. 01:10:27
More people downtown. 01:10:29
And something to enjoy so. 01:10:31
There's any other questions later? 01:10:33
Let me know but. 01:10:34
Not to upset anybody, but we're. 01:10:36
That's the that's the step game he wanted to go was with. 01:10:38
Getting the approachment. 01:10:41
Approved. 01:10:42
And then we go to the cafe permit. 01:10:43
Which is the design. 01:10:45
So even after tonight, if we get the approachment approved, we can't move forward. 01:10:47
Until the cafe permit comes in front of cancel. 01:10:51
Thank you. 01:10:54
Thank you. 01:10:55
Bird seals, 816 Riverview Dr. 01:11:03
On the Scrubby Bluff Rd. 01:11:12
Went from 17 heading back. 01:11:16
Towards Saint Mary's. 01:11:18
Would be nice. We put a. 01:11:20
A sign to see you. 01:11:22
Welcome to Saint Mary's. 01:11:24
You know, just like when you leave an order Scrubbing bluff on simmering now. 01:11:26
You see? 01:11:30
Welcome to Kingsland. 01:11:32
We need to probably put one over there. 01:11:34
To ensure that that you are in Saint Mary's before you get to the pilot. 01:11:36
Shop audio because we just nowhere we can. 01:11:40
Very, you know, so I think we need to look at. 01:11:43
There was some activity on Friday. Man, I didn't even know where. 01:11:51
That a Tribune. 01:11:54
And it was a good. 01:11:56
Good activity, very well enough. 01:11:57
Trucks, you know, And as a matter of fact, there's one. 01:12:00
I normally frequent is the guy. 01:12:03
Lobster. 01:12:07
And he was there. 01:12:08
You know, I didn't know there was anything happening back. 01:12:09
Back then. 01:12:11
So look went back and look at the tribunal to see if there's anything that advertised. I didn't see anything, so maybe I missed 01:12:12
something. 01:12:15
I want to throw it out there. 01:12:19
One of the things that. 01:12:22
Uh, Moon? 01:12:24
The Moors over there on Saint Mary's Road. 01:12:27
You know these guys. 01:12:30
I think I got one. One more, one more. 01:12:32
And he goes up. 01:12:35
And down, up and down. 01:12:36
Maybe I'm missing something here? 01:12:39
Couple guys come and join them later on. 01:12:41
Because I'm not there watching him. 01:12:43
But it seems as though. 01:12:45
I frequent that road because I go onto the video down. 01:12:47
Jacksonville. 01:12:50
I'm looking at, I said what what's happening here is. 01:12:51
I didn't mowing a little bit. One, one man, one more, one more at a time. 01:12:55
You need more than one more. 01:12:59
Time he rolling down that street and that's all. 01:13:00
When we come into Saint Mary's, that's a place that we need to see looking good. 01:13:03
Some of the stuff was covered. 01:13:12
I want to move on to. 01:13:14
Abstentions. 01:13:20
You know I have a problem with. 01:13:22
I know you know when you guys I'm staying. 01:13:25
You know, no questions asked. You know, I mean, I guess you're free to go back. 01:13:29
There's nothing in the book said that you can't abstain. 01:13:33
But I got a problem with that. 01:13:36
You know what I mean? You know I'm staying as declined to vote. 01:13:38
Either for or against the proposal. 01:13:42
Or motion. 01:13:44
You know either you are undecided. Disagree. 01:13:47
With or all options or want to remain neutral? 01:13:50
Is this thing neutral? 01:13:54
I have a problem with that. 01:13:57
You know and. 01:13:59
I like her, Mr. Ingram. 01:14:01
Congressman Ingram. 01:14:04
You know when you guys had a vote? 01:14:05
In reference to do I think with Chevrolet and you know the. 01:14:07
Pushes under cars. 01:14:11
And he abstained. 01:14:12
I fully understood that. 01:14:13
You know he mentioned that. 01:14:15
You see, because he works for the companies. 01:14:17
That's a good. 01:14:20
Way of looking at things. 01:14:22
But folks who just abstaining. 01:14:24
And he gave me a reason. 01:14:26
You know, I mean not, you know, I think. 01:14:28
If you guys you get the same package. 01:14:30
Like everybody else. 01:14:33
You know, if you're too short. 01:14:34
Call on another council member. Hey man, we got. 01:14:36
Tell me about this. Tell me about that. 01:14:39
I'm just kind of letting you guys find a way to get out. 01:14:40
You know, I mean so. 01:14:44
We understand. 01:14:45
I'm like, uh. 01:14:47
This don't make no sense. 01:14:49
You should have said you need to let me know why you abstain it. 01:14:51
Ask God for all you. 01:14:55
All six. And if you're all going to feed it, you don't have to. 01:14:57
Make an explanation. 01:15:00
I think about that. 01:15:03
You know, so let's keep that in mind. 01:15:04
Conflict of interest. I know the big thing. Conflict of interest. 01:15:06
If you have a conflict of interest. 01:15:09
Your support? I would yes, I would stay. 01:15:11
Don't vote. 01:15:14
You know, that's all I gotta say. Thank you. 01:15:15
Thank you, Mr. 01:15:19
Larry White, 102 Sylvia's Court. 01:15:32
I'll make this short. 01:15:34
I just want to talk about. 01:15:37
Are using retired personnel, military personnel. 01:15:39
To patrol the schools. 01:15:43
In Saint Mary's. 01:15:45
When you discuss this, I would like you to explain. 01:15:47
What these people are supposed to do? 01:15:51
And then they just walk around the schools. 01:15:53
Do they have any authority? 01:15:55
Are they part of the Police Department? 01:15:57
Just explain that please. 01:15:59
Because I like to know take. 01:16:01
That's a record. 01:16:06
There. 01:16:07
Yeah, I just got three things tonight. First, last meeting, I was really taken aback by the fact that council disapproved the 01:16:12
change order. 01:16:15
Out there at Mission Trace. 01:16:20
My background, I spent 10 years chief of contracting for the National Park Service, overseeing contracts in seven states, the 01:16:23
Caribbean 65 financial park, spending millions of dollars a year and doing lots of change orders. 01:16:28
And like he said. 01:16:35
If you try the no change order policy. 01:16:38
Then you're going to get. 01:16:41
No bids. 01:16:42
Or inflated bids. 01:16:43
On your contracts. 01:16:45
And like. 01:16:46
What John said was like. 01:16:48
You put that statement in there that you've got to go out there and verify all the stuff. 01:16:50
But some things you can't verify. 01:16:54
Like opening up that building and finding that stuff. So you're still going to have change. 01:16:56
And I don't think that was a real good example to. 01:17:01
Put a stake in the ground. No change orders because that one's necessary. 01:17:03
And you should have approved that. 01:17:08
But it you know so. 01:17:10
What worries me is. 01:17:14
A position where we're not going to. 01:17:16
Or won't change order, so we don't get change orders. Then what you got is what he said. 01:17:17
Inflated bids, No bid. 01:17:22
Change orders is the way of life and it's a way of getting the best product. 01:17:24
For the taxpayers. 01:17:27
So you need to do. 01:17:28
The change orders. 01:17:30
Second, I was researching Splash because I'm worried about where those millions of dollars that the county got. 01:17:31
Is going and I love that splash 8-7 years ago. 01:17:37
And then there, so we were going to build restrooms at New Street boat ramp. 01:17:41
We're still going to do that. 01:17:45
Spy state. 01:17:48
What are we going to do? 01:17:51
With that money? 01:17:53
Because when splash, you're supposed to say what you're going to do up front and then do what you said and then publicize what you 01:17:55
did. 01:17:58
But anyway, it said that right there in 8. 01:18:02
So the second thing is we got a $350,000 grant. 01:18:06
From the state. 01:18:11
And called tag 2 trees across Georgia and then that. 01:18:14
Is money to hire a certified office for the city? 01:18:17
Only the money disappears after two years and we're on the hook for $100,000 salary. A new vehicle in an office for a person 01:18:20
riding around. 01:18:24
That we can get done on an as needed basis through a contract with an arborist. So do not hire. 01:18:28
Arborist and pay him with city money. 01:18:33
Please. 01:18:36
Hello Mayor. Hello, Council. My name is Bill Lawrence. I live in 325 Osprey Circle in Saint Mary's. 01:18:44
And I'm standing tonight because I want to support. 01:18:49
A very important issue that was brought up tonight, farm to family. 01:18:53
Truly does have an issue. 01:18:57
And I don't want to. 01:18:59
Just be one voice. Certainly, Nick. 01:19:01
Big voice, but I'd like to add to it. 01:19:05
And say that if we're going to support our. 01:19:07
Businesses here in, in, in town and we definitely have to look at how people are going to access these businesses and and that's 01:19:09
one area that I noticed that it's a safety hazard. 01:19:15
I've had to stop for people. We go, we. 01:19:21
Go by there every day in the morning. 01:19:24
And we have to stop for those kids, which is awesome. We do. 01:19:25
We all do. We all know it, we all see it. But I don't think it needs to be that way. 01:19:28
So I would like to. 01:19:32
Just put another word in to support former family and Kim. 01:19:34
And Nick, so thank you. 01:19:38
Anyone else? 01:19:51
You know, coming up again. Are you leaving? 01:19:58
All right. 01:20:02
All right, we'll. 01:20:04
Our audience to public session. 01:20:06
OK. 01:20:14
Real. I already know I'll make it. 01:20:15
Franziel, Daniel. 74 Rd. away. Saint Mary. 01:20:19
I like to go ahead and thank. 01:20:23
All the. 01:20:25
Efforts that you guys have been going to help out coming in Oaks in the Pines. 01:20:26
On behalf of the citizens of those residents. 01:20:31
Thank y'all. 01:20:35
Because, umm, uh. 01:20:36
Well, we understand. We understand is that there's a housing crisis right now. 01:20:37
And understanding that we fix our housing crisis, you also increase or should say decrease the crime in our area. 01:20:40
Which can increase property value. So there's a lot of there's a lot of things that. 01:20:47
That we that we can take, that we take for granted when it comes to fixing these situations. 01:20:51
And I would like to also. 01:20:56
Hopefully invite you guys to stay out in those communities because if you the more you stay out there, the less those things. 01:20:58
Develop, the less those problems fester. 01:21:04
So that's why I was out here today because there's a lot of things that I wanted to get out my chest and. 01:21:07
And I'm thanking y'all for everything that you guys have been doing out there, and I hope you continue to stay out in those areas. 01:21:13
And maintain communication with them because now they see that they can't communicate with their leadership. 01:21:19
And before it was a closed door, so we've also. 01:21:24
Be breach those those barriers and now. 01:21:27
All we need is for those efforts to continue on. 01:21:30
Thank you, that's all I got. 01:21:33
Thank you. Thank you. 01:21:34
OK, we'll close. They are. 01:21:38
Audience public session. 01:21:43
And. 01:21:44
We'll now go to the approval of our consent agenda. 01:21:46
Just to reiterate. 01:21:51
One time quickly the things on the items on our consent agenda. 01:21:53
Are item. 01:21:56
New business. 01:22:00
Item C. 01:22:01
GF. 01:22:03
GH. 01:22:08
IJ. 01:22:11
M. 01:22:14
And Q. 01:22:20
I'll entertain a motion. 01:22:22
So moved second. 01:22:25
Question by Mr. Rassie and second by Miss Keene. 01:22:27
Any other discussion? 01:22:30
All those in favor. 01:22:32
Aye in your post. 01:22:33
That's unanimous, man. 01:22:36
Yes, Sir. 01:22:37
And now entertain a motion for the approval of the agenda. 01:22:38
Mr. Anger, I'm a second by. 01:22:44
Mr. Jones. 01:22:46
Any discussion? 01:22:48
All those in favor. 01:22:49
Aye, any opposed? 01:22:50
That's unanimous matter. 01:22:53
Yes, Sir. 01:22:54
OK, so first item. 01:22:56
Under old business is the mission Trace Covert. 01:23:00
Placement. 01:23:03
Change order number one. 01:23:04
From route contracting. 01:23:06
And I actually asked, you know. 01:23:07
This to be put back on the agenda. I had gone out after our meeting. 01:23:11
With Mr. Maher. 01:23:16
And some of his crew to look at that situation out there. 01:23:18
And understand exactly. 01:23:22
What the specifics of the situation were? 01:23:24
And there is a. 01:23:28
Culvert that leads into. 01:23:31
Drainage box. 01:23:33
Above which is a. 01:23:35
Street drain. 01:23:36
A curb drain that drops into the top of that box. 01:23:38
But from there, on the backside across crossing the road is a. 01:23:41
Diagonal pipe in the ground. 01:23:44
And so it is well in It's behind the culvert, it's behind the box. 01:23:47
And would be very difficult to. 01:23:52
Kind of ascertain exactly what was there. 01:23:54
And. 01:23:58
One of the things I discovered, I guess through the process was that. 01:24:01
You know what was bid? 01:24:05
What was specified was a 15 inch culvert, that's what. 01:24:07
The contractor. 01:24:10
Is legally bound to put it back in there because that was what he bid on. 01:24:11
But what was in the ground was actually an 18 inch. 01:24:16
Metal Cold. OK. 01:24:19
So the area has been being drained by an 18 inch culvert. 01:24:21
But we're switching up from the old metal pipe. 01:24:25
Was there? 01:24:28
To a concrete pipe which is thicker. 01:24:29
That additional thickness. 01:24:31
Would cause issues with the road height and create a bump through there. 01:24:33
And so. 01:24:38
There was the need for an elliptical drain. 01:24:39
Which gives the same order through without being quite as tall. 01:24:42
To to fix this issue. 01:24:46
So the other thing that I found out in the, you know, going back and refreshing my memory, I looked back at our council action in 01:24:49
early May when we approved the contract. 01:24:52
This particular bidder bid it. 01:24:57
Believe was $80,800. 01:24:59
Our second bid was at $147,000 in some change. 01:25:02
And a third bid was over $200,000. 01:25:06
So the contractor really gave us a. 01:25:09
A very fair bid. 01:25:12
And asked for $9900. 01:25:14
Change to put in. 01:25:18
What should have been there that was not specified? 01:25:19
On the city bid. 01:25:22
And in fact, it's called for in the city master plan. 01:25:23
Natural water sewer plant there. 01:25:26
You know. 01:25:30
For those reasons, and the fact that, you know, we don't want to create an upstream flooding problem. 01:25:32
By not having the correct capacity through that line. 01:25:37
I felt it was imperative that we bring that back and we and we. 01:25:40
If we talk about that again. 01:25:44
And you know. 01:25:46
Some of the things that Mister Brummelo alluded to and and others, you know that. 01:25:48
It's a concern of mine is that you have a bidder, this particular bidder route contracting. 01:25:52
Was, I believe our soul bitter after it went out? Forbid. 01:25:59
Two or three times. 01:26:03
On the road construction for. 01:26:05
The Commerce Park at airport. 01:26:08
And they were the only, only person that put in a bid after that went out multiple times trying to get bidders. 01:26:11
And I hate to see a. 01:26:18
A contractor. Any contractor. 01:26:20
Decide they don't want to work with the city of Saint Mary's, especially a good contractor that appears to give us. 01:26:22
Fair pricing. 01:26:28
On their jobs. 01:26:29
And, you know, scare them away because we're not going to be reasonable and evaluate. 01:26:31
Each situation. 01:26:36
I think we all want transparency. 01:26:38
We all want the public to know why changes are being made and why expenses need to be done. 01:26:40
I think it's incumbent upon us and our staff to put the very best. 01:26:45
Bid specifications out there. 01:26:49
In the 1st place to try to avoid. 01:26:51
You know any change orders that could be? 01:26:55
Pre known, you know by the quality of our bid. 01:26:57
But I've done enough renovations to know that when you open up walls and you open up things. 01:27:02
That you can't necessarily see what's behind there all the time. 01:27:07
And you make another trip or two to Lowe's. 01:27:10
You know. 01:27:14
And. 01:27:15
That's that's kind of what has happened here with this situation. And you know, I too am concerned about inflated bids. 01:27:16
From our inflexibility to consider reasonable changes. 01:27:23
That that might come up. 01:27:27
I don't want to see prices being inflated overtime. 01:27:28
Where people bid. 01:27:32
You know, knowing that they're not going to get an opportunity to to put in a reasonable. 01:27:33
Unanticipated. 01:27:39
You know, change or whatever. So. 01:27:42
That is why I asked this to be reconsidered by the Council. 01:27:44
I have a question about the. 01:27:50
Master Plan. 01:27:53
What type of pipe was shown on the master plane drawings? 01:27:55
18 inch. 01:27:59
What I was told. 01:27:59
18 inch elliptical. 01:28:00
Just 18 inch volume. 01:28:02
OK, because. 01:28:05
There's no way that they could have done a visual inspection. 01:28:07
Field inspection. 01:28:10
Pipe and as built drawing that we sent out. 01:28:13
Showed a 15 inch pipe. 01:28:18
Correct, but they were able to look at the master plan drawing. 01:28:20
Especially since I couldn't do a visual inspection. 01:28:26
In the field. 01:28:31
They who? The contractor. 01:28:32
And should they? 01:28:35
If they had done that they would have seen the 18 inch pipe. 01:28:37
Right. 01:28:41
And all of that is available to them. 01:28:42
And is that correct? 01:28:45
Mr. Marr. 01:28:48
Does master plan drawings for drainage? 01:28:51
Are available for a contractor to go and take a look at them. 01:28:55
Yeah, all city documents or. 01:28:59
For the most part or a subject to open records so everything is available. 01:29:02
That is not part of their typical. 01:29:07
Bid process though. 01:29:10
Right, if you go out there and you can't do a visual inspection. 01:29:11
Then you could go look at the drawings. 01:29:17
Yes. And this particular case we had a survey. 01:29:20
From a licensed surveyor that called for. 01:29:23
A 15 inch pipe on his survey. 01:29:26
It was there that was on as build, that was on the survey. 01:29:29
The field survey from the license surveyor. 01:29:33
The wood out and shot everything. 01:29:37
So they contractors. 01:29:41
We're taking that surveyors. 01:29:43
Yeah, I mean. 01:29:45
I agree with a lot of what? 01:29:47
Mayor Lockhart. 01:29:49
Said, and I'm certainly not naive about. 01:29:50
Um, wanting to. 01:29:54
Maintain vendor relations, but I think. 01:29:57
The the reason that we voted this way the first time and I come from a background where. 01:30:00
We had. 01:30:06
A lot of purchasing. 01:30:08
For sawmills, lots of engineering drawings. 01:30:09
You know there were times when you know the as built drawings were not the same as what was there then. 01:30:13
And we did have change orders. 01:30:20
But I think the thing that we're trying to. 01:30:22
Work hard to do is to. 01:30:26
Make sure that when somebody bids on something for the city, they're informed about that. 01:30:29
As best as they can be. 01:30:35
And then we certainly I will acquiesce. 01:30:39
That this may not have. 01:30:41
This particular. 01:30:43
Request for a change order. 01:30:45
May not have been. 01:30:47
The one that we needed to use to make an example of this, but. 01:30:50
What we are trying to do is change the upstream behavior. 01:30:55
Of both any of our engineers at Public Works to check and double check their work. 01:30:59
Before they send out the as built drawings. 01:31:05
And even when that happens, there may be some errors. 01:31:07
But also make the contractor responsible for looking at. 01:31:11
All the information they can get. 01:31:15
About giving us a bid. 01:31:18
So, you know, I think that is a. 01:31:20
Worthy goal as well. And this is. 01:31:23
Not an issue that. 01:31:27
Is black and white. 01:31:29
For me. 01:31:32
And and I. 01:31:34
I agree with. 01:31:36
Everything that's been said thus far. 01:31:37
As a matter of fact, you know. 01:31:40
Sean and I talked about this. 01:31:43
The other day. 01:31:46
And I fully support the contractor. 01:31:47
He's doing a marvelous job. 01:31:52
And he? 01:31:54
Marvelous job. 01:31:55
For the city in the past. 01:31:56
My problem is that we have. 01:31:58
At least two or three engineers. 01:32:01
And the road department. 01:32:04
That know that the master plan specified. 01:32:06
A certain size pipe. 01:32:11
If they didn't catch it. 01:32:13
You know. 01:32:15
I don't expect a. 01:32:16
The bit the guy that bid on the property to detect it. 01:32:19
What I'm saying is. 01:32:22
We're paying too much money for people to. 01:32:24
Overlook. 01:32:27
Things like this and I'm a. 01:32:28
Bring back an example. 01:32:30
Brought this up before. 01:32:32
With the orange hole. 01:32:34
Change orders. 01:32:35
Breaking drainage. 01:32:38
You know you don't have to have. 01:32:40
Engineering degree. 01:32:43
You have to have a drainage and a. 01:32:44
Commercial kitchen like that? 01:32:46
And a mistake was made. 01:32:48
And the taxpayers pay for it. 01:32:51
So that's why I said. 01:32:53
I want to make sure. 01:32:56
That everybody's got. 01:32:58
All of the facts. 01:33:00
Before they. 01:33:02
Accept these bids or before they bid on. 01:33:04
On these projects because. 01:33:07
To me it seemed like. 01:33:10
There's an inside deal. 01:33:12
For people to. 01:33:14
And plate the the cost of a project. 01:33:18
Even after it's gone to bed. 01:33:21
And I don't want that to happen here. 01:33:23
It happened several years ago when I was on the county Commission. 01:33:25
And I don't think the city of Saint Mary's. 01:33:29
Need to fall for every change. 01:33:31
Now, uh. 01:33:33
You're right. 01:33:34
If there's a project that. 01:33:35
You can't. 01:33:37
See behind walls and. 01:33:38
Certain things come up. 01:33:40
I don't have a problem with that. 01:33:42
But you know, it's, it's getting to the point where. 01:33:45
Every. 01:33:48
Project that we have or every other project. 01:33:49
We have. 01:33:52
We have change orders. 01:33:53
And if it can't be? 01:33:56
These these problems can't be caught. 01:33:58
And our engineering department. 01:34:00
Then we're paying people for nothing. 01:34:02
The reason we voted? 01:34:06
No, there's three nose and two abstentions. 01:34:08
Was to change behavior and Miss Kane already pointed out. 01:34:11
Maybe this was a bad one to drive a stake in the ground. 01:34:14
I'll agree with that. 01:34:18
But you got to drive it somewhere. I was talking with Chad, he says there's been 4 change orders in 12 months. 01:34:19
So some that would look pretty pretty good. 01:34:24
I say that's for too many. 01:34:26
And that's not taking into account the last five years to get a proper and accurate. 01:34:28
Average now she's been here a little while. 01:34:32
But Mr. Jones has been here a lot longer and I know he's seen a whole bunch of change orders come across his desk, and that's why. 01:34:35
I understand his frustration with change orders. Nobody likes them in the home. 01:34:41
And the city certainly doesn't like them when you keep getting them. Now it's been pointed pointed out about inflated. 01:34:45
Bits, you call them inflated bids, I call them accurate bits. See, I don't believe we'll get no bids and I believe that the bids 01:34:51
we do get. 01:34:55
They're going to triple check their work before they put a bid in if they know the city of Saint Mary's does not. 01:34:59
Accept change orders. 01:35:04
So I think we do drive a stake in the ground. 01:35:06
And what kind of made me a little bit. 01:35:09
Upset is to even see this back on the agenda in the 1st place because. 01:35:11
It's the motion failed. 01:35:16
Are the the approval failed? 01:35:18
And now it's back on the agenda. 01:35:21
And I think for the same reason, if we're going to have the behavior, if we don't like something, we'll just put it back on the 01:35:22
agenda and we'll just revote on it. 01:35:26
When would that stop? We could just indefinitely just keep bringing it back up. 01:35:30
So for that reason I would actually make a motion. 01:35:35
That we remove this from the agenda item. 01:35:38
Is there a SEC? 01:35:43
I'll second that. 01:35:45
We have a motion Second, is there any other discussion? 01:35:48
All those in favor of removing. 01:35:53
The item from the agenda. 01:35:55
Aye, 3. 01:35:58
All those opposed. 01:36:01
And since I was going to ask for it to be on there in the 1st place, I'll vote to leave it on the agenda. 01:36:04
And I'd like to speak that just real quickly, Mr. Blackaby, maybe you could clarify for me. 01:36:10
Since the bid went out. 01:36:15
Specifying a 15 inch drain is the contractor. 01:36:18
Legally required to change it to what's there or can you put it in? 01:36:22
Could he legally put it in? 01:36:27
At 15. 01:36:29
Given the bid that he did. 01:36:31
Yeah, that's a good question. I'm gonna need to go back and look at the bid documents to. 01:36:32
Be absolutely certain of this, but I think you're. 01:36:36
Correct to ask that question because they're they're. 01:36:39
Not all change orders are the same, you know. 01:36:42
To give you an example, I. 01:36:44
Work with another city that was. 01:36:46
Dealing with that change orders. 01:36:48
Similar type project were. 01:36:50
Were some underground infrastructure being installed under a Rd. 01:36:51
The bid came in, City accepted it. 01:36:55
And then it turned out there was a lot of subtraining concrete that nobody knew about. 01:36:58
And so it made the job harder. 01:37:01
Didn't change the ultimate. 01:37:03
Specifications of what they had. 01:37:05
Do they have to still put the same? 01:37:07
Infrastructure in place, but it became more difficult than anybody anticipated. 01:37:08
That's one type of change order where you're still doing the same thing, it's just more difficult the other type of change order. 01:37:12
Is where you're changing the nature of what you're. 01:37:17
Doing so in this situation. 01:37:19
If bid documents specify that, you're only required. 01:37:23
And you're only contractually agreeing to install. 01:37:27
A infrastructure, one type in size. 01:37:29
And now you're being asked to change that and do something different. 01:37:33
Then I think you're correct that the contractor is just required to do a contract requires. 01:37:37
And as a contractor says, it's a 15 inch pipe desk installed. 01:37:43
And now we're saying, well, actually we needed it to be bigger than that. 01:37:46
If the continent, but again I've got to look at the bid doc. So if the bid documents in the contract says. 01:37:49
You also have to do it in compliance. 01:37:54
With these comprehensive plan documents. 01:37:56
Then perhaps that got incorporated as a requirement into what? 01:37:59
The contractors required to do, but it's going to take some pretty close analysis of what the bid documents and the contract 01:38:02
documents actually say. 01:38:05
OK, Thank you. And say and just to clarify. 01:38:09
Jeremy, the reason I had it put back on. 01:38:11
Was because of that capacity and my concern that the contractor could legally move forward. 01:38:14
With a 15 inch pipe that he bit on. 01:38:20
And knowing that. 01:38:23
If we had upstream flooding. 01:38:24
That we would now be liable. 01:38:27
For allowing that to occur, having known about it and it's been public. 01:38:29
You know, with public information, it was a meeting. 01:38:34
There was a vote. 01:38:36
You know that we could be liable for damage that's. 01:38:37
Created by having less. 01:38:39
Drainage there. 01:38:41
And that was my concern and that's why I asked to have it. 01:38:43
Because I, you know, when I went out and found out. 01:38:46
Exactly what happened and how? 01:38:48
That's why I put it back on, not not just because I had sore feelings or whatever, but. 01:38:51
Because I really felt that the city was opening itself up the liability by not putting in. 01:38:56
The correct size infrastructure. 01:39:01
And I know there were comments were made at last meeting. 01:39:03
That you know, they can just put it in, they can pay for it or whatever. 01:39:05
But I don't think they're required to do so because that's not what they bid on. 01:39:08
And so that's why I had it put back on, just to clarify that. 01:39:12
My my point was. 01:39:18
Not to say that. 01:39:21
They shouldn't put it in. 01:39:24
And and pay for it. 01:39:26
My position was. 01:39:28
Weather must whether mistake was made and I don't think it was made with the contractor. 01:39:30
The contractor bill what he. 01:39:36
Great. So I think it was made internally. 01:39:38
And that's why I say we're. 01:39:41
We're paying. 01:39:43
Engineers to make sure that. 01:39:46
Everything is neat and in order. 01:39:48
And if they don't find it? 01:39:51
I don't see how they can expect their contractors. 01:39:53
I wasn't here for the last meeting, so I did go back and watch the meeting and I saw a lot of points being made on the subject 01:39:58
and. 01:40:01
Miss King brought up that the contractor should look at the master plan before making a bid, and I think you said that's not 01:40:05
typical. Did any of the contractors that bid, to your knowledge, look at the master plan before bidding? 01:40:10
No, Sir, they did, you say. You know they didn't so. 01:40:15
They did go off of our plans and it just makes it like yes, there was an error made and it seemed that it was with our. 01:40:19
Our drawings that we had. 01:40:25
From the surveyor, but. 01:40:28
You know, definitely need to try to stay on top of that and. 01:40:29
Minimize issues moving forward. 01:40:32
But there was a whole topic of conversation we're still having about Sains waters. 01:40:35
And. 01:40:39
I agree we don't like spending money after the fact or getting blood dry and nickel and diamond here there. 01:40:40
But. 01:40:45
I don't see it as a pandemic or problem currently. 01:40:47
Yes, like Councilman Esimento stated. I, I said we've had four change orders. This is the fourth in the last over the last 12 01:40:51
months. 01:40:54
We've had 36, So what a job contractors. 01:40:57
We don't want them ever. I mean, I get it. 01:41:02
But. 01:41:04
On a case by case basis, we have to look at approval. 01:41:05
If they make sense like this one, this is like a glaring example of. 01:41:08
Yes. We don't want to run route contractor construction off like these guys. Put in a good honest bid and a good honest change 01:41:11
order. 01:41:14
Quest They actually took a deduction from their work when they made a change order. 01:41:18
Because of a tree that wasn't an issue if a. 01:41:22
Remember right from the last meeting. 01:41:25
But. 01:41:27
You know, when they did come in on their bid, they were significantly less like Mayor Lockhart stated in the next best contractor 01:41:27
thing was like 50. 01:41:31
Yeah, $66,930, right? Is that right? 01:41:37
That that was the difference in bid and the other contractors. Had they seen the same plans at 18 inches, they would have came 01:41:42
back with the change order requests themselves. 01:41:46
If we turned off around construction and they didn't want to complete the job and they decided to walk. 01:41:51
I feel like we could be a liability to them for, you know, putting out the plans forbid and changing in the middle of the game 01:41:56
like what we expected, more expensive parts. 01:42:00
And materials. 01:42:04
You know, if we had to get another contractor in the next closest contractor was significantly higher. So like you have to. 01:42:06
We consoled that way. 01:42:12
There's a lot of examples, and I'm not going to get into everything I've put together just because it's just hammered at home, but 01:42:15
it's the simple Google search, you know, the city stops approving change orders. 01:42:19
If a city stops approving change orders, a construction project can be significantly impacted, leading to payment disputes, 01:42:24
delays, potential lawsuits. 01:42:28
Project suspension. 01:42:31
Theexact.com depends on the contract terms reason for change orders in the city's justification for withholding approval. 01:42:32
I just didn't see justification recording approval of this one. 01:42:37
Based off that contractor. 01:42:40
You know, based off this situation individually. 01:42:41
We don't want to run these guys off. 01:42:44
Please, if they're watching like we want you to come back to Saint Mary's, we want to do good business and make good common sense 01:42:46
decisions moving forward. 01:42:49
And and again my problem is not with the contract. 01:42:52
My problem is not with the contract. 01:42:58
In this case, yes. I mean, they're all different. I get it. 01:43:00
OK. 01:43:07
There's any other discussion? 01:43:10
All right, so. 01:43:13
Take the vote on whether to approve the change order in the amount of $9900. 01:43:17
From the existing highway and streets play. 01:43:23
I can make a motion. 01:43:26
I'd like to make a motion to approve the. 01:43:28
Change order request. 01:43:30
2nd. 01:43:31
OK. Motion by Mr. Ingram, second by Mr. Conners. 01:43:32
Any other discussion? 01:43:36
All those in favor. 01:43:37
Any those opposed? 01:43:39
OK. We have three and three there and I vote. 01:43:44
Approve a change order. 01:43:48
OK. The next item for discussion. Thank you. 01:43:51
Is the intergovernmental agreement. 01:43:56
For Parks and Recreation, item B. 01:43:58
Programming between the Cam County. 01:44:01
The Camden County Public Service Authority, City of Kansas City, Woodland City, Saint Mary. 01:44:03
Didn't do this and the last one, I apologize, but let's go ahead and get a motion. 01:44:11
1st to. 01:44:15
Hello, motion by Mr. Rassie. 01:44:17
Is there a second? 01:44:20
Second. Second by Mr. Jones. 01:44:21
OK. Any discussion? 01:44:23
I guess the only concern I have. 01:44:27
I plan to vote to approve this is that. 01:44:30
You know, we left one very big item. 01:44:35
Open on this and that is what? 01:44:38
We're going to do. 01:44:41
You know, it says we are going to agree to negotiate regarding the SPLOST. 01:44:42
Money that was allocated to the county. 01:44:48
For the park maintenance. 01:44:50
And you know, we've had six months to work on this. 01:44:54
Contract and that is a. 01:44:59
That's a. 01:45:01
Big open item. 01:45:02
So for those of you that were there at the negotiations, could you discuss? 01:45:06
What appears to be the thinking? 01:45:14
On how that money. 01:45:16
Is going to be divided. 01:45:18
Yes ma'am, I guess one thing, if I'm not mistaken. I went back and looked at it. 01:45:21
Then after we. 01:45:25
Discussed it and. 01:45:26
And it says that they agreed to negotiate splice contributions for the purpose of capital improvements. 01:45:29
To PSA facilities, Recreational service expansions. 01:45:35
And enhancements. 01:45:39
So. 01:45:40
That it'd be moving forward. 01:45:41
Splashed funds. 01:45:44
For the purpose of improving. 01:45:45
PSA facilities, not our facilities. 01:45:48
Not the negotiation. 01:45:50
Well, for the the money specifically you're talking about, but. 01:45:53
But that's as far as what degree I said. 01:45:57
But so then it the. 01:45:59
Whole agreement may be silent. 01:46:01
On that issue. 01:46:04
Is that what you're saying? 01:46:05
Yes. 01:46:07
As far as? 01:46:08
You know what the? 01:46:10
Current splice situation is. 01:46:12
For money that's already been. 01:46:15
Allocated Allocated for maintenance of the parks. 01:46:17
Right. And you know, we're agreeing to take over the maintenance on the park. So I just want to know. 01:46:21
Agreement of silent on that. That seems to be a big. 01:46:29
We've had conversation and we're still in the process of negotiation on that. We have seen what. 01:46:34
The fee that we normally pay has been reduced. 01:46:40
Roughly 180,000 I believe is what it. 01:46:45
Has roughly been reduced. 01:46:48
PSA approved their budget. 01:46:52
With that reduction. 01:46:55
You following with me there? 01:46:57
You kind of got that look. 01:46:59
The other part, getting into the splash side of it. 01:47:01
There is money that is allocated. 01:47:04
For rehab of parks. 01:47:07
That money is. 01:47:11
Was identified for four separate parks. 01:47:13
And the conversation is splitting that for those. 01:47:17
Those four parks, which is. 01:47:21
Our park here as well. 01:47:24
There's also a little bit of chunk of money for some equipment. 01:47:27
So that's that's. 01:47:30
Where we're at right now with the negotiations on the On the Spot park. 01:47:33
That's the thinking. Is there a reason why we decided to leave the agreement silent? 01:47:38
On that then. 01:47:44
That. 01:47:46
We were trying to get this done in in the time it was allocated. 01:47:50
With the understanding that we would. 01:47:55
Have that discussion in regards to the financials. 01:47:57
Yeah, I mean, like I said, the. 01:48:01
The discussion. 01:48:03
You know. 01:48:05
It has to happen, needs to happen because the vehicle and the mechanism for which those. 01:48:06
Funds were going to be expended. 01:48:10
Is being now altered after the fact of the splice boat. You know so. 01:48:12
You know, and like I said, I mean, there are certainly different ways. 01:48:18
That that could be looked at, you know, it could be a per capita split, it could be a. 01:48:23
2520520520 5% split between the four parks. 01:48:28
You know, there's, you know. 01:48:32
We certainly don't feel. 01:48:34
That that is an equitable split necessarily. 01:48:36
Based on. 01:48:40
Usage of the facilities and population, those kinds of things and so. 01:48:41
You know these are. 01:48:47
Obviously contentious issues among the other. 01:48:48
You know, other municipalities and things and. 01:48:51
You know it's going to be a little while before that money is collected and the money is available to be spent. 01:48:54
As fast collections go. 01:49:00
So, you know, there was more significant time, you know, available to us to negotiate those things and. 01:49:02
Trying to get to a favorable position but. 01:49:08
You know, I think for that reason. 01:49:11
As Robbie said, we were trying to get this deal done under the deadline of the extension and you know. 01:49:12
Everyone knows that. 01:49:19
That those those are. 01:49:20
Those FLOSS discussions are going to happen and have to happen so. 01:49:22
So I don't know if you disagree with that at all, Mr. Blackerby, I mean. 01:49:27
With the read you read through this document. 01:49:31
I mean I've I've got concerns about the document. 01:49:34
Yeah, I think. 01:49:39
There are a lot of things to be clear that could be clarified. 01:49:40
I don't think the PSA attorney has fully reviewed it. 01:49:44
I don't think he had concerns as well. 01:49:47
So our attorney has concerns about the document. We've got a big. 01:49:51
Issue that hasn't been a. 01:49:58
Been addressed what are possible ways that we can? 01:50:00
Solve that before agreeing. 01:50:04
To it. 01:50:08
When you go back to him and I said, yeah, I mean, we go back to him with specific concerns and, you know, we may end up with a 01:50:10
special call meeting. You have to try to get this. I think it's the end of the month tonight. 01:50:15
I don't think so. 01:50:20
Things end of the month before you know the initial extension, so either. 01:50:21
All the municipalities and counties have had to get together to. 01:50:25
Do an additional extension or. 01:50:28
Or and I know the county I think has already passed this document and they're. 01:50:31
And they're meeting or whatever, but. 01:50:35
They may. 01:50:36
You know, if we if we don't approve it. 01:50:38
Then obviously they would be. 01:50:40
You know, having to look at it again so we could force that issue, I guess. 01:50:42
OK. 01:50:47
So, uh. 01:50:50
Is there any other discussion? 01:50:52
Take a vote. 01:50:55
So we have a motion and discussion. 01:50:58
Motion. 01:51:00
Would be, I guess, to approve. 01:51:02
The way it is, wait. 01:51:04
We had a motion. 01:51:07
Councilman Rassie to approve the second by Councilman Jones, right? 01:51:08
That's correct. 01:51:12
So we're gonna bed on that. 01:51:12
So, right, we'll be voting on that. 01:51:14
Will be voting to approve so. 01:51:17
All those. 01:51:20
Yeah, Scott, I mean. 01:51:21
If we do approve, is there? 01:51:23
I mean. 01:51:26
Can we fix? 01:51:28
After the fact of anyway. 01:51:31
I think. I think. 01:51:33
Probably the correct thing to do maybe is is to. 01:51:35
Vote to disapprove. 01:51:39
Make those changes. 01:51:41
You know during the past black we get back with the PSA attorney and and in short order and try to get to. 01:51:42
A revised document back that we're happy with and then, you know they'll have to just. 01:51:49
Bring that back to themselves. 01:51:54
You may resend. You want me to resend it? 01:51:56
If I remember. 01:51:59
If I resent it or we're going to vote on it. 01:52:00
Percent of withdrawal. 01:52:03
Motion. 01:52:07
If you want, yeah. 01:52:09
I don't know. Even though you wait emotion, you can still not know. 01:52:12
Yeah, we can. Just don't know. 01:52:16
Yeah, just about. No, you could still, you could make a motion vote it. 01:52:18
Against it? Yeah. What? What's your preference? 01:52:21
I'm just going to take photo you. 01:52:24
I'm going to withdraw my motion. 01:52:26
OK. All right. 01:52:28
And I always. 01:52:30
OK. 01:52:32
So without a motion is. 01:52:35
This matter dies at this point, so we'll. 01:52:38
Try to get together and. 01:52:40
Get those changes back to the county. 01:52:42
And. 01:52:45
See if we can get some movement on those issues. 01:52:46
All right. Thank you. 01:52:49
Yes, yeah. 01:52:52
I don't know. 01:52:54
OK. Next item for discussion is item E budget ordinance amendment. 01:52:57
Yes, ma'am. 01:53:03
Just table in this item. Yes, Yes ma'am. 01:53:05
Budget Ordinance. Amendment 2026. General Fund Equity Aquatic Center. 01:53:12
Repairs. So go ahead and. 01:53:16
Ask for a motion. 01:53:18
To move second. 01:53:20
Mr. Rasi. 01:53:24
Yes, please. 01:53:25
Grassy and Mr. Connor. 01:53:28
All right. Any discussion? 01:53:30
Yeah, I know this money is there to be released. I plan on voting yes for it as well, but I would like to task management. 01:53:31
To come up with a work session. 01:53:39
About what we want to do with the Aquatic Center. 01:53:41
And what I mean by that? 01:53:43
Is I I put it in the bracket of three options option #1. 01:53:45
Do exactly what we're doing with exactly. 01:53:50
How we're doing it and make repairs as needed. 01:53:53
Option 2, expand it. There's been plans we've talked to. 01:53:57
Staff and they've even have conceptual drawings of some ideas that would grow the Aquatic Center and maybe possibly charge the fee 01:54:01
we need to charge to one day bring it net revenue neutral. 01:54:06
And then option 3 is to maybe sell to a private company that can maybe do a lot more things that. 01:54:12
Maybe we couldn't do or don't have the budget to do. 01:54:18
I'm good with option 2 and 3. 01:54:20
But this thing of just 174 up, 300,000 up and we just keep piece mealing and we keep patching and we keep putting band aids. 01:54:23
That's the only one I'm not for and I don't feel that council has clear direction what they even want to do with the Aquatic 01:54:31
Center. So what I would love the task management to do is to just come up with a work session to decide, do we want to sell it? 01:54:37
Do we want to expand it or is everyone good and maybe I'm the only one? 01:54:44
That is good, but just. 01:54:47
Keep putting band aids on it because I think that puts a lot of. 01:54:49
Strain on staff and this is going to be a constant issue that comes up. 01:54:54
And now is the time to do it. Now is the offseason. I do not want to wait till next year and be like, oh, we got a whole bunch of 01:54:58
stuff to do. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars and now we're fighting. 01:55:02
We should sell it. We should take it off our plate. So I just think we need a work session on what we want to do with the Aquatic 01:55:06
Center. 01:55:09
I agree with that and and. 01:55:13
Could we, as part of the work session, have a list of known repairs? 01:55:15
That need to be made with the approximate cost. 01:55:21
All repairs, yes. Yeah, there is a I. 01:55:26
I I agree and I'm going to vote for it. 01:55:30
But I agree with you, we need to. 01:55:35
Look in the future. 01:55:38
And with even having a work session. 01:55:40
I look at option two. We need to. 01:55:44
Expanded and. 01:55:46
Find out a way to make it. 01:55:48
Neutral. I think we should keep it, but. 01:55:50
Yeah, and I do lean towards that option too. 01:55:52
Before work session, but you know. 01:55:55
I definitely. 01:55:58
Am against option three. If there was another option it would be an option 4 and that would be where the city can maintain. 01:55:59
Control over the maintenance of the park. 01:56:05
But if there was a company that want to come in and release it and take a lease space, that would be with that too, yeah. 01:56:07
The the reason why we have these. 01:56:13
A lot of. 01:56:16
Just repairs that keep coming up was because when it was with the PSA, there was a lot of deferred maintenance that didn't get 01:56:17
taken care of. So a lot of the, you know, cost that we have are things that popped up because the deferred maintenance, the 01:56:22
maintenance of the part wasn't taken care of when the PSA had it taken control. We put a lot of money into it since then because 01:56:27
things that should have been done or taken care of. 01:56:31
Properly, we're not. So it's a little more costly now as we've caught those things up. 01:56:36
Yeah, I agree with Councilman and Graham on that because. 01:56:40
There was maintenance that should have been done that wasn't. 01:56:44
And. 01:56:47
So I think once we get this thing back. 01:56:48
To where we need to have a. 01:56:51
And have to have to's wants and wishes. 01:56:53
Happiness or what have to be done to keep it going? 01:56:56
Lots of things that we. 01:56:59
Can possibly do down the road. 01:57:01
And wishes if I want to add stuff. 01:57:04
So yeah, I'm just not for what we're doing right now. 01:57:06
All those other options if somebody. 01:57:09
Accused me of Oh you want to get rid of the Aquatics under false I. 01:57:12
All those other options make the Aquatic Center better. 01:57:15
All those other options. 01:57:17
So the only thing that I'm not for is. 01:57:19
Exactly what we're doing and we've made more progress in 5 minutes just talking about it up here. 01:57:21
And I've heard since the eight months that I've been on council so. 01:57:25
I think it work. Session is definitely called for. 01:57:28
All right, there's no further discussion. 01:57:32
All those in favor of the motion to amend the budget. 01:57:36
Aye, aye. 01:57:40
Any opposed? 01:57:42
That's unanimous, man. 01:57:44
Yes, Sir. 01:57:45
Our next item for discussion is item K. 01:57:50
It is the resolution for 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district. 01:57:54
Major rezoning. Major subdivision. Conceptual preliminary application. 01:57:59
And civil plan reviews. 01:58:03
Good evening. 01:58:06
Thank you. I've asked our City engineer, Public Works Engineer Chris Amos, to come up and join me in this discussion. 01:58:07
So what's before you is a 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district, major rezoning, major subdivision. 01:58:15
Conceptual and preliminary plat applications. 01:58:24
And civil plan reviews. 01:58:27
I just want to kind of. 01:58:29
Give you a little. 01:58:30
Cliff notes on the development. 01:58:32
Process. 01:58:34
So every entitlement that land has. 01:58:35
For its development potential. 01:58:39
Is given through. 01:58:41
Zoning right? My office and I, we work with landholders and potential developers. 01:58:43
Years in advance of. 01:58:50
An actual project. 01:58:53
Going vertical. 01:58:55
Being built, being turned. 01:58:56
And that's usually at the stage of. 01:58:58
The zoning. 01:59:00
Probably for about. 01:59:04
And let me just start by saying that this moratorium is not a. 01:59:06
It's not a zoning ordinance. 01:59:10
It's not a future land use plan. It's not a. 01:59:13
The way that we. 01:59:18
Want to approach development in certain areas? 01:59:19
What it is, is a capacity. 01:59:23
Issue a critical capacity issue. 01:59:25
And how sewage is conveyed. 01:59:27
To our treatment plans. 01:59:31
So there's been some confusion about this because we have. 01:59:33
Ample capacity in our plants. 01:59:36
What we're lacking and we need to take a hard look at the infrastructure for. 01:59:39
Is the conveyance. 01:59:44
Of sewerage from the site. 01:59:46
Where a project is built. 01:59:48
To the treatment. 01:59:50
So Chris and I have been collaborating. 01:59:52
Quite a bit and on this and about a month ago. 01:59:56
We started to look at certain projects. 02:00:01
That had already in these critical areas. 02:00:04
Gone down the pipeline of land use. 02:00:07
To a point where. 02:00:10
The zoning was there. 02:00:11
The civil plan set was approved. 02:00:13
Building permits were approved, land had been turned, utilities were going in and they were getting ready to go vertical. 02:00:16
And those projects. 02:00:23
We have a concern for. 02:00:25
In areas. 02:00:27
So this request is a is a request to pause. 02:00:28
It's a request to. 02:00:32
Take a hard look. 02:00:35
With our. 02:00:37
Engineering Partners. 02:00:38
And the good guidance that's in the utility master plan? 02:00:39
To look at the areas look at. 02:00:43
Citywide. 02:00:45
Look at where we have some. 02:00:47
Capacity issues. 02:00:50
And hopefully over the course of 90 days. 02:00:52
Be shorter. Come up with a stepwise plan. 02:00:56
And with that, I think I'll. 02:00:59
We would Chris to do more technical stuff. 02:01:01
So as as Jamie, Jamie and I have been looking at these developments. 02:01:05
Withstand your pine, your pine. Go ahead. 02:01:09
There's a lot going on. 02:01:12
We're in areas where we have some concern about sewer capacity downstream, she said. We have plenty of capacity the treatment 02:01:14
plant. 02:01:17
Both treatment plants have capacity now, one of them Scrubby Bluff. 02:01:21
Is about to go back online. We recently got a waste load allocation to double the capacity of scrubbing. 02:01:25
England Times and Miller is currently working on the next steps to get that done. 02:01:33
We have Volker working with us to try to analyze all of these basins. 02:01:38
And try to figure out what the best solutions are. We have a really good master plan that was done by Freeze Nichols that 02:01:43
identifies lots of projects, some of which are rather expensive. 02:01:47
That we need to implement to be able to maintain capacity. 02:01:53
One basin in particular. 02:01:57
Is where a lot of the development that is in the area around the hospital and Walmart. 02:02:00
Is all going to a pump station? 02:02:05
Near the dark entry Creek, which is. 02:02:08
Very stressed right now. Very, very stressed right now. 02:02:11
And we're looking at how about several different options for how we can? 02:02:15
One of them been sort of baby steps. 02:02:20
Add more capacity to that pump station and the system downstream of that. 02:02:22
While we workout these. 02:02:27
Bigger picture. 02:02:28
Items issues that are upstream of that. Some of that involves the exit 1. 02:02:30
Project we are now at one time. 02:02:36
Quite a bit of the wastewater from exit 1 was going to come all the way down to sugar. 02:02:39
It now appears that we're going to be able to do all of that in Scrubby Bluff instead. 02:02:44
And that opens up a lot of other opportunities. 02:02:48
For us to solve these sewer problems. 02:02:51
And we really didn't get that word from ETM until last Friday. 02:02:53
So we're. 02:02:57
Working hard to try to solve these problems, but we're concerned that if we don't. 02:02:58
Towels for a little while till we figure out the solutions, then we're going to have some. 02:03:02
Very much larger problems so. 02:03:06
Upon us pretty quickly. 02:03:09
Thank you. 02:03:11
I don't know so. 02:03:12
The pulse. 02:03:14
So if I have a lot and I want to develop it just my own personal home, I can still do that. 02:03:16
Yeah, I'll let Jamie address that because she wrote the. 02:03:22
Yeah, Thank you. So I think when we talk about major subdivisions, this is 6 or more lots. So if you own a lot in Osprey Cove or 02:03:25
Cumberland Harbor and downtown and you want to build your single family residence. 02:03:31
This would not apply. 02:03:38
So I, I don't see where like commercial businesses are stated, are we still allowing open for business for commercial? 02:03:41
Space. 02:03:48
I think this is the part where it gets a little bit the analysis is needed. 02:03:51
The if you're working in a commercial area, umm. 02:03:58
That has already been developed and you're just doing a redevelopment. This wouldn't apply. 02:04:03
If you're looking to add. 02:04:08
New Flushing. 02:04:10
I have a better word for it then we'd have to. 02:04:14
Chris would analyze that. 02:04:17
And that we're going to have to look at that on a case by case basis. It depends on which basin it's in. 02:04:18
And and depends on how much waste load it's going to require to be able to handle the project. 02:04:23
We currently have two other large pump stations that Public Works has been working on for a very long time, Pump station 13 which 02:04:29
is on Douglas Drive. 02:04:33
Which we have the final plans ready to go to bid, I believe we are. 02:04:38
Right on the cusp of having the final. 02:04:42
Steps taken with the grant money that's going to pay for that so that can go out to bid, that's probably that's the biggest and 02:04:44
most important pump station in the city. 02:04:48
And pump station 15 which is in sugar. 02:04:52
We have plans for that as well. We're working with a local developer to acquire property from him. 02:04:56
To construct. 02:05:02
15 on right next to work currently sits. 02:05:03
And that one's close to going out, and that's going to solve 2 of the biggest bottlenecks, leaving the third one. 02:05:06
Which is this everything going to 42? 02:05:12
Which the whole scrubby bluff The resolution of the scrubby bluff plant issues is made a little bit easier to fix. 02:05:15
Could we possibly open? 02:05:23
You know to actually approve permits, you know, with stipulations that. 02:05:25
There's not a water sewer agreement. 02:05:30
That. 02:05:32
They just won't be able to get a CEO and. 02:05:34
That wouldn't be awarded until you know the solutions are in place. 02:05:36
And we've had a lot of discussion about developers agreements, including with a couple of developers in the last week. 02:05:41
And about how we can implement that. And some of it is going to depend on. 02:05:47
We need to meet with the attorney. 02:05:52
And see how we can structure. 02:05:53
These things and how much money is that developers agreement going to generate versus what the improvement costs are going to be? 02:05:56
One of the projects if we pull the. 02:06:03
The 42 and the downstream pump station from that if we had to implement the. 02:06:06
The master plan fix on that, it's 12 and a half million dollars. 02:06:10
And that's going to be. 02:06:14
Probably a little difficult to. 02:06:15
Raise all of that from developers fees, which is why we're trying to look at other options that will. 02:06:17
That will fix that problem at a lower cost. 02:06:22
But I can't answer that question today. 02:06:26
Out of a scan. 02:06:28
If it's not a total hindrance, I'd like to have a work session before the next meeting and then. 02:06:30
Vote on this the next meeting so you can't have those answers. 02:06:35
The only thing that I would like to say about that is that my office entertains discussions with developers on a daily basis. 02:06:41
Several developers a day. 02:06:48
It is very. 02:06:50
I don't think a good professional practice for me to be. 02:06:51
Engaging with the development community on major rezonings or major subdivisions when I know. 02:06:55
That perhaps? 02:07:02
There will not be. 02:07:03
Sufficient capacity for that development. 02:07:04
And so that's why I've. 02:07:07
Hit the pause. 02:07:09
Because I know it's a difficult conversation to have. 02:07:11
Now, when you're beginning down the land use pipeline. 02:07:14
But what's worse is when you're looking to actually connect to the sewer. 02:07:18
You've done your utilities and you're ready to go. 02:07:23
And we tell you, sorry, no. 02:07:26
So I. 02:07:28
Trying to get. 02:07:29
A year or more in advance of this. 02:07:30
With a temporary pause. 02:07:33
I guess one of the things that you know. 02:07:35
Sitting here thinking about the situation, you know, we, we come up with a plan, you know, we're able to. 02:07:38
You know, really look at the situation, see where the bottlenecks are. 02:07:44
And and put forward some possible solutions. 02:07:48
The implementation of those solutions. 02:07:52
It is going to be timely. I mean, it's going to take months, you know? 02:07:55
Before those things can be engineered. 02:08:00
Go out the bid and actually be constructed and brought online. I don't have the exact time frame obviously but I mean I'm 02:08:03
guessing. 02:08:06
We're looking at probably minimum. 02:08:10
6 to 9 months for. 02:08:12
You know, even a fairly minor. 02:08:14
Project. 02:08:17
You know that that would. 02:08:19
Make a significant impact in improving the situation. 02:08:20
That I'm kind of here and here and and and I guess that's. 02:08:25
That's the disconcerting part that, you know, those of us who are hearing from, you know. 02:08:29
The developers and their concerns and and. 02:08:34
But. 02:08:38
As Miss Stein has said, you know. 02:08:39
People are going to be a whole lot more upset. 02:08:43
You know when they start flushing their toilets and, and it's backing up in their house, brand new houses because there's nowhere 02:08:45
for it to go. 02:08:48
And you know it. 02:08:53
It is a stark reality of our current situation with infrastructure in in Saint Mary's and. 02:08:55
The improvements. 02:09:01
That we need. 02:09:03
To find solutions for. 02:09:04
And I don't think that the infrastructure doesn't have to be operational for us to be able to tell some of these developers they 02:09:05
can go. We just have to have a plan in place so we know how long it's going to take to get there. 02:09:10
Yeah, and trying to tell them yes now. 02:09:15
And we don't really know how long it's going to take to get sewer capacity online for their project is. 02:09:18
Is not a good situation for us to be right. So we feel like that within this 90 day moratorium. 02:09:24
We can have that. 02:09:29
Plan kind of in place by the end of that. 02:09:31
Kind of know what? 02:09:34
Those solutions and those time frames might be. 02:09:35
And cost, I mean cost. 02:09:38
Yes, OK. 02:09:40
And cost. I think This is why a capital improvement plan is so important. I know we have one come due November, but we need one. 02:09:41
Every year for exactly this type of thing. 02:09:48
And as I mean, I. 02:09:51
Trust Jamie completely Mr. Amos, our public works department, I think y'all are brilliant in what you do. 02:09:52
And I'm constantly in awe of the decisions you make and your vision, so I support you. 02:09:57
Wholeheartedly, but I also. 02:10:01
I have a bleeding heart for businesses. I mean, I ran for all citizens of Saint Mary's. 02:10:04
But a heart in particular for developers and people that are trying to do business in Saint Mary's to make it prime. 02:10:08
And you know, I know maybe some of our developers even in this room and property owners have spoke to some of council, but maybe. 02:10:14
I don't know if you want to, you don't have to, but maybe it'd be good for the council to hear from you if you have any concerns. 02:10:21
As we you know, we've heard from them, we know what needs to be done. 02:10:27
Is anybody in the room want to take the mic and. 02:10:30
And address something. Go ahead. 02:10:33
I think, I think it's only fair. 02:10:35
If you just give your name and address. 02:10:37
Hi, my name is Walter Johnson. I'm with Jocelyn Holmes Construction Company. 02:10:40
We just had a moratorium a couple. 02:10:44
Months ago, I guess it was for something different. 02:10:47
Now there's another moratorium. 02:10:49
What I'm trying to propose is I'm building a commercial building in Satilla Business Park. 02:10:51
It's an office suite. 02:10:56
No one spending the night. 02:10:58
You're not having three meals a day. 02:11:00
There are no showers. 02:11:01
I understand there's a problem. 02:11:03
It makes complete sense. 02:11:05
I do not understand how 6 houses or six house neighborhood is OK. 02:11:07
For less than 6000. 02:11:12
I don't understand how multiple houses and. 02:11:14
Residential houses is OK. 02:11:17
But one small. 02:11:19
Commercial. 02:11:20
Building the language in this. 02:11:21
Doesn't. 02:11:24
I don't I don't meet the requirements. 02:11:25
According to this, it would be approved. 02:11:27
My permit was submitted prior to this. 02:11:30
Chris called me last Friday. 02:11:34
And said, hey, I think I can. You know, I'm working on this. It's a delicate process. 02:11:37
Texting today, no response. 02:11:41
You know I don't. 02:11:43
I didn't think it was going to be a big deal. 02:11:45
Look from listening tonight. 02:11:47
I feel like it's a big deal and it shouldn't be. 02:11:48
The last reality developed. 02:11:52
I'm not putting in infrastructure. 02:11:54
They've been there. 02:11:55
It's the Tele business park it's been dormant for. 02:11:56
Shoot, I don't know however long it's been built. 02:12:00
Probably 15 years. 02:12:04
I bought these things two years ago. 02:12:06
Finally decided to build something. 02:12:11
Submit my permit before all of this talk. 02:12:13
No one has called me except for Chris. 02:12:16
Only because I think I called him first did I call you first, I think. 02:12:18
So no one even called. 02:12:22
So basically, my permit was going to die on the vine. 02:12:24
This was going to get passed and then when I called and checked on my permit I feel confident it would have been. 02:12:27
Sorry, the Council just passed. 02:12:32
Moratorium last night. 02:12:34
That's not fair. 02:12:36
You know, I met all the other requirements. 02:12:38
There was no moratorium. 02:12:40
My plans are submitted. 02:12:41
It's just. 02:12:43
Literally. 02:12:44
A9 office building. 02:12:45
I don't know, it just it doesn't make sense to me. 02:12:49
On this project. 02:12:51
Thank you for your time. 02:12:53
Thank you, Jeff, can I address any of that? You can't. Yes, Sir. 02:12:54
Absolutely. So there there are two commercial developments that are in this really problematic basin. 02:12:57
His is 1. We have both of those plans. 02:13:03
In the review process right now, I've been in contact with the engineers for the larger one. 02:13:06
I've been doing the analysis on his myself. 02:13:11
I think that I'm going to be able to let his go through. 02:13:15
But all of that wastewater? 02:13:19
It includes all of the hospital, all of Walmart. 02:13:22
All of Shadow Log, all of Brant Creek Apartments. 02:13:25
The 100 and 4844 units of. 02:13:29
Of Seacoast departments is under construction. 02:13:33
The paddocks phase one, which is already approved. 02:13:35
And it's going to a pump station which is running 20 hours a day. 02:13:39
And is prompting less than the pump station that's from from chat along that's pumping into it. 02:13:43
So it's a serious concern. It's it's not a minor. 02:13:48
Little a minor little issue. It's a serious concern. 02:13:51
And we're working very hard to try to resolve that. 02:13:55
The he texted me today I was meeting with Bill. 02:13:58
Power for Volcker going over all of this stuff. When he texted me, I just had not had a chance to get back to it yet. 02:14:02
But I think I'm going to be able to let that one go. I don't. I'm not sure I can let the other one go. It's much, much larger. 02:14:08
And my concern is we. 02:14:14
We know we have a problem. 02:14:17
We allow development to occur in the basin with the problem. 02:14:18
We get an overflow into. 02:14:22
Dark entry Creek. 02:14:23
And EPD is looking at the fact that we allowed development to continue in a basin. 02:14:25
That we know new did not have capacity to handle development. 02:14:30
So thank you. 02:14:33
Thank you. Thank you. 02:14:36
Good afternoon, Danny Wheeler. 02:14:42
I've got one of the. 02:14:45
Address please. 02:14:46
132 Bryce Ryan, Kingsland, GA. 02:14:49
I don't know one of the, probably one of the. 02:14:51
Most problematic. 02:14:54
Parcel there is. 02:14:55
The developers have this in a contract now for. 02:14:58
Eight months. 02:15:01
This is just come, of course. 02:15:04
Come up. 02:15:07
As an issue. 02:15:08
We know it's problematic. 02:15:10
The only thing I'm asking. 02:15:13
For consideration is. 02:15:16
To come in. 02:15:18
And allow some of these things, some of the process to workout, some of the planning issues, some of the preliminary plat zoning 02:15:21
issues. 02:15:24
That's going to be a part of the process anyway. 02:15:28
With. 02:15:31
Some garbage. 02:15:33
But the developer knows that. 02:15:34
There is no stormwater. 02:15:36
Conveyancer using capacity because again, that's not the issue, it's the conveyance of the sewage. 02:15:38
Clinton, the developer, knew this is an issue and letting them continue on with. 02:15:44
To a certain point. 02:15:49
A part of their project. 02:15:51
The county is doing this. 02:15:54
With Bridgepoint. 02:15:56
In their own private water and sewer. 02:15:58
They're issuing permits. 02:16:01
But with the understanding they're not going to sign off on CEO until. 02:16:04
They have. 02:16:08
Proper documentation. 02:16:11
For being able to tap into or to tap into water. 02:16:13
Consumer umm. 02:16:17
That's the only thing that I'm. 02:16:18
Probably looking for is just the way the discussion. 02:16:22
And the process continue forward because it shaves time on their end. 02:16:25
We're only talking about a nine month. 02:16:29
Solution to fix the problem. 02:16:32
To start a development. 02:16:35
Project, it's going to take every bit of 12 months, every bit. 02:16:37
And of course, there's still going to be. 02:16:41
Communication between. 02:16:44
Developer and. 02:16:46
The city as well so. 02:16:47
We're all still going to be in communication process. 02:16:48
Just allowing the. 02:16:51
Rezoning. 02:16:54
Preliminary class to continue forward. 02:16:55
That's it. I think that's a fair *** Miss Jamie, can you speak to some of that? Why? Just asking for some preliminary stuff 02:16:58
before. 02:17:02
You know, I think there was a memo that I wrote about this to council. 02:17:08
And one of the things I want to be clear about is I am being very forthright. 02:17:13
With the development community about this, exactly what Mr. Wheeler said. 02:17:17
I'm letting people know about that. 02:17:21
And it's a line in the sand. 02:17:24
So from one perspective. 02:17:25
Yes, we could allow it to continue and move forward and entitle land. 02:17:27
Perhaps without the infrastructure to support that development. 02:17:33
But if you're on the side of negotiating a contract and you hear news? 02:17:36
From the development director. 02:17:41
That that. 02:17:43
That conveyance may not be there for you when you're ready to go. 02:17:44
They thanked me for that information. So these are these, this is a very difficult, it's very complex. 02:17:49
I understand the concern. 02:17:55
But you know, I think that this is. 02:17:58
A moment we. 02:18:01
Where there are several different players in these. 02:18:02
Contracts and in development. 02:18:07
And. 02:18:09
It's difficult, if not impossible, for my office to understand. 02:18:10
All those different complexities. 02:18:14
So the approach has been give the information. 02:18:16
And when you give the information. 02:18:19
There's many different decisions. Some developers have decided, you know what? 02:18:21
We've invested so much in this project already. 02:18:25
We're going to takedown the land for $1,000,000. 02:18:28
And proceed. 02:18:30
Others tell me. 02:18:31
No, that that's enough. That's a line in the sand. We can't move forward. 02:18:33
So you know, there is an uneasy fix there we're trying to be. 02:18:37
Understanding and accommodating, but I think these conversations. 02:18:43
Need to happen very early on. 02:18:47
The second point I want to make is that in any rezoning or any subdivision. 02:18:48
In the criteria that the Planning Commission is reviewing. 02:18:53
Is this idea of? 02:18:56
Infrastructure and capacity. 02:18:58
And if the development. 02:19:01
Would cause fiscal instability. 02:19:02
For the city. 02:19:05
So those are decisions that the Planning Commission. 02:19:06
Is reviewing and that's long before. 02:19:09
Something gets the civil plan said and and goes vertical. 02:19:12
Thank you. 02:19:17
So if we approve the moratorium. 02:19:19
Today. 02:19:22
We could if we realize. 02:19:24
We could. 02:19:27
Amended. 02:19:28
Midstream if we realize we've created a problem that we don't need or wasn't necessary. 02:19:29
So we can have a work session and we absolutely have every ability to lift the moratorium. 02:19:34
Right now, this is really a. 02:19:40
We need some more information. 02:19:42
You know. 02:19:44
Mr. Blackaby, if, if we. 02:19:48
Like I said, put the moratorium in place and then, as Mr. Amos said. 02:19:51
They determine. 02:19:54
Through this initial valuation that. 02:19:55
Mr. Johnson's project for say was, you know, smaller. 02:19:58
You know. 02:20:02
Could could go through. 02:20:03
Are we OK to allow something like that to go through while the moratorium is on or is that? 02:20:07
I would be uneasy about selectively. 02:20:12
Applying. 02:20:15
If it's. 02:20:17
If it's adopted, it's adopted. I would say it needs to be applied. 02:20:17
But does does the moratorium actually cover? 02:20:24
This project. 02:20:26
Not. Not technically, no. 02:20:28
So. 02:20:30
So I think there's, I think, I think there's a Gray area there either. 02:20:31
Hurry and go start moving dirt. Wow. 02:20:38
I'm sorry, I say. Yes, we're talking. That's right. 02:20:41
OK. Any other discussion? 02:20:47
That's hard. Anything to add? 02:20:51
All right, Thank you all so much. Like I said, I noticed a difficult situation that. 02:20:53
No easy solutions as. 02:21:00
As I've been known to say, nothing but time and money fix all these problems. Amen. 02:21:02
We don't have enough both but. 02:21:07
We'll, we'll, we'll continue to work on it. 02:21:09
So any other discussion? If not, we'll go ahead and. 02:21:13
So we have the motion to. 02:21:18
I said, did we get a motion yet? OK. 02:21:22
So can we have a motion? 02:21:26
On on this issue. 02:21:29
I make a motion that. 02:21:32
Prove the 90 day moratorium. 02:21:34
2nd. 02:21:38
All right, any other discussion? 02:21:41
All those in favor. 02:21:44
All right, any opposed? 02:21:45
That passes unanimous, Amanda. 02:21:49
Yes, Sir. 02:21:50
OK, item I. 02:21:55
Right away encroachment license agreement between City of Saint Mary's and crack and coffee and kitchen. 02:21:57
Company. 02:22:02
Sees creative uses right way pilot program. 02:22:03
Miss King, I mean. 02:22:06
Thank you. 02:22:11
Yeah, I, I, I heard everything that was said this evening. I understand. 02:22:14
Some of our concerns if I can. 02:22:18
Reflect back on when this process started, so in. 02:22:21
Forgive me here I have some notes. 02:22:30
We began discussions with the HPC in December of 2024. 02:22:33
On this and I think that if I. 02:22:38
Recall. 02:22:40
It was, uh. 02:22:41
In the aftermath of the Osborne median. 02:22:43
Being done. 02:22:46
We don't typically put. 02:22:48
Actually, we don't. 02:22:51
Put right of way projects before the HPC. 02:22:52
The Osborne median is an example. 02:22:56
The new beautiful wrapping of the. 02:23:00
Oak trees with lights. These are what I would call right of way improvements. 02:23:03
But because of some of the. 02:23:08
Um, you know. 02:23:11
Recognition that these this these are. 02:23:15
Elements in the historic district and that they should go before. 02:23:18
The Historic Preservation Commission. 02:23:22
For information for. 02:23:25
Feedback. 02:23:27
Not an official certificate of appropriateness, no. 02:23:29
We didn't do that for this particular project, but we did discuss it. 02:23:32
Then, in February of 2025, there was a right of. 02:23:38
Creative uses of the right of way work session. 02:23:42
That Miss Candace Pulliam and I gave. 02:23:45
To you all in that there was a. 02:23:48
Memo, which was done. 02:23:51
Collaboratively with HPC. 02:23:54
That talked about this pilot program I have. 02:23:57
Copies of that here. 02:24:00
It gave a defining boundary. 02:24:02
You know, umm. 02:24:04
Osborne St. 02:24:05
South of Dillingham. 02:24:06
If there is insufficient sidewalk or outdoor space to engage customers. 02:24:09
Challenges with accessibility. 02:24:14
And that the submission must be semi permanent. 02:24:16
So this was kind of. 02:24:19
You know, uh. 02:24:21
Discussed. I'll say that with. 02:24:22
Many different entities. 02:24:24
And then the most recent meeting we had was with the Development Authority of Saint Mary's. 02:24:26
In which we sat with the applicant. 02:24:31
Discuss some of the more design oriented criteria. 02:24:35
Recognizing that there are a lot of parties. 02:24:39
Involved in this design. 02:24:43
The DDA. 02:24:45
DASM Main St. 02:24:47
HPC the applicant. 02:24:48
Everyday residents of Saint Mary's. 02:24:51
You know, my guidance to the applicant was that. 02:24:54
The The Right of Way Encroachment license, which is before you this evening. 02:24:58
Be sought and if that was given the green light. 02:25:03
Then we could begin the design process. 02:25:06
And I know that DASM, the development authority of Saint Mary's. 02:25:10
Wants to support that with a grant. 02:25:14
So that was the thinking, that was the approach. 02:25:16
More than happy to hit the pause button, but just also want to remind you this has been. 02:25:20
A year in discussion. 02:25:24
One of the things that. 02:25:26
You know, as part of the way, the way I understood the process like you said, was that. 02:25:29
And and I have some concerns. I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't know if 600 lbs of water is going to stop a vehicle. 02:25:34
You know, umm. 02:25:40
I do realize that this particular location. 02:25:42
Is relatively short. 02:25:47
From an acceleration standpoint, you know. 02:25:49
Since they're. 02:25:52
You know they can start at the waterfront, but. 02:25:53
They can start the waterfront move and you know, coming off of Saint Mary St. So they could certainly get up to 25 or 35 miles an 02:25:56
hour without much trouble before they reach this area. 02:26:01
And. 02:26:07
You know I. 02:26:09
I'd like to hear eventually when we get into the actual implementation of this. 02:26:10
Um, you know something about? 02:26:15
Steel bollards or something? 02:26:18
You know, that could be decorated, you know. 02:26:20
What are you saying right? 02:26:24
Bobby's better. Shaking his head no, still bothered. 02:26:25
You know, I don't know if there's a way to. 02:26:29
Semi semi permanence down in there or whatever, you know. 02:26:31
But you know, having you know, then you could you could put a decorative. 02:26:36
Encasing on the outside of that you could. 02:26:41
You know, frame it up with someone by eights and some frim and. 02:26:43
It looks like a decorative painted post or something with that metal superstructure underneath. 02:26:47
You know, those are design elements, but those are also things that I want to see. 02:26:53
To make sure that we feel like we have a very safe environment for the folks that are sitting there. 02:26:58
As as. 02:27:03
As that process and that design process goes forward. 02:27:04
But you know, I personally am in favor of the encroachment license to allow that process. 02:27:07
To begin, you know, and then everyone will have an opportunity to. 02:27:12
You know, to talk about that. 02:27:16
But that's. 02:27:18
Well, I don't want to hit pause on it. As Miss Stein pointed out, it's been a year. 02:27:19
But I think Miss Julia had some great points and I wrote a bunch of them down and to use her. 02:27:24
Her words? I think everybody wants this, she said. You know, we have a lot to gain. 02:27:29
From this, and this is a great pilot, you know it is a pilot. 02:27:33
And you know, Krankens doing great. I'd love to see them continue to do great. I'm glad we chose this for the pilot. 02:27:36
But just Simply put. 02:27:44
Why can't we just lower the speed down to 15 miles an hour, you know, and just really just just lower it down to 15 miles an hour? 02:27:45
Let's just make it safe. That seems to be. 02:27:50
The problem? We're still waiting Mr. Blacker be on a verdict, I think. Was it October for the? 02:27:55
The Milton case. 02:28:00
That that case is in the Georgia Supreme Court. Briefs have been submitted and city actually I signed off on one of the briefs in 02:28:01
support of the City of Milton case. 02:28:05
It's not been decided yet. OK. So yeah, it'll be, it'll be spring before we have a determination from the court. I assume so, but 02:28:10
Supreme Court. 02:28:14
Take as much time, but just to address, I mean just to we we want it, We think it's it's it's exactly what we want. We are a 02:28:19
walkable city. Slowing the speed down to 50 miles an hour anyways just makes it even easier for right away pedestrians and it to 02:28:24
be a. 02:28:29
Biking, walking, slow moving downtown, which I think is what everybody wants. 02:28:34
So I would love to see this just go forward, lower the speed to 15 miles an hour. That would be the perfect. 02:28:39
Case scenario. 02:28:43
Well, can you give me a landmark on you said the parklets are from? 02:28:44
Dillingham. 02:28:49
Toward the waterfront. 02:28:50
Where is that exactly? 02:28:52
So Dillingham is right here, right? Yep. 02:28:54
And then just to. 02:28:57
The the end of Osborne. 02:28:59
Yeah, OK. Has there been any other interest than any other businesses thus far? 02:29:02
Yes. How far do those extend on Osborne? 02:29:07
Brackish SO. 02:29:10
If it is a pilot program, kind of like. 02:29:15
The Marina started. 02:29:17
You know that we built. 02:29:18
Small Marina. And then there's a, you know, if it's a successful phase two, phase three maybe in the works if that's down the 02:29:19
street. 02:29:22
So. 02:29:26
To take up the curve if only thus far. 02:29:28
I would suggest possibly us if it is a pilot program if we do move forward reducing. 02:29:30
The area down to East Bryant St. to just incorporate those two blacks and then. 02:29:35
After the pilot program, if we figure it out, it's just on the end. It's a little safer down there than up and down. 02:29:40
I was born this far down. 02:29:45
Then possibly in the future expanding that zone but start it smaller and expand it successfully. Want to do it, I agree. 02:29:47
That's a good idea. 02:29:52
And stable alley is that. Are there reasons why we wouldn't want to use? 02:29:54
That because it's not on the main thoroughfare. 02:30:00
Or are we trying to do a pilot on Osborne? I think one thing is it it is an alley. And so it is significantly. 02:30:04
Smaller there in the right away and. 02:30:11
That road is potentially going to be an egress or ingress, probably egress for the hotel eventually. 02:30:13
Which is one of the reasons I early on mentioned we need to make sure we clip this corner. 02:30:21
Here to allow people to. 02:30:26
Turn off of that, you know, out of that alley, so. 02:30:28
You know, I think that would. 02:30:31
That could potentially, you know, with the hotel development down. 02:30:33
You know would would make that a. 02:30:35
A poor choice because you keep taking up. 02:30:38
Half of that space. 02:30:40
Or more in that roadway. 02:30:41
Yeah, and with it only being a narrow alley to start with, it's only. 02:30:43
20 something feet? 25 feet maybe or. 02:30:48
Hallie. 02:30:52
You know, Bobby, 3636 feet. 02:30:54
OK. Yeah. I mean, I think when these conversations originally started, so. 02:30:57
I think the day that the Kraken open. 02:31:03
I got a phone call. 02:31:06
Asking. 02:31:07
How we can? 02:31:08
Stop parked cars. 02:31:10
From. 02:31:13
Rolling their tires. 02:31:14
All the way up to the sidewalk there and basically being on the sidewalk right by the front door. 02:31:15
That was the first conversation. 02:31:22
This and we thought well. 02:31:24
Maybe let's try to do something creative. 02:31:25
Second topic was. 02:31:29
The crowd. 02:31:32
Gonna head to Cumberland Island. 02:31:34
Could be down there by the water and. 02:31:36
Look up Osborne and see something that. 02:31:38
Sparkles. 02:31:41
And then they head up there to patronize the businesses. Those were really that. Those were the 2. 02:31:42
Ideas. And that's. 02:31:49
And part of me saying reducing his parking altogether. We have events, festivals, parking is limited now. We're taking up spaces. 02:31:51
And I know we're making an ACA space for cracking, but. 02:31:56
You know the the reduced area may be a good idea. 02:32:02
Again, if we move forward. 02:32:05
If we do approve. 02:32:07
The permit tonight. 02:32:08
The encroachment license, the encroachment license, we approve that. 02:32:09
What would be their timeline? 02:32:15
Do you have an idea of what that looks like to be in approving a design and approving? 02:32:17
The structure itself. 02:32:21
Yeah, I. 02:32:24
The Development Authority of Saint Mary's would like to have a. 02:32:27
Kind of a grant program to support this. So I think that that design would have to be done with that other entity. 02:32:31
The applicant is. 02:32:39
Very close with many of the other more. 02:32:41
Legal. 02:32:44
Documents associated with the cafe permits. It's really just that. 02:32:45
Opportunity for collaborative design. 02:32:49
I know that the weather right now is perfect. I know they really want to get started, so I would imagine it's a month. 02:32:52
Floor 2 So it does say that the city. 02:32:58
And change the encroachment area. 02:33:03
At will. 02:33:08
That would mean the design and everything, the safety features, all of that would come back to us in a separate. 02:33:11
That was not the original plan, but we could. 02:33:19
We could do that if if the area changes or if you want to change. 02:33:24
The proposed area. 02:33:29
And I do believe. 02:33:30
I mentioned this to you earlier today, but. 02:33:31
You probably had a chance to look into it, but other cities that have these areas. 02:33:34
Do they have a recommended speed limit or you know, did you have a chance to? 02:33:37
Look at that or. 02:33:42
Yeah. 02:33:43
I didn't think so. I just thought, you know. 02:33:46
I know in the area in Old Town Alexandria where they have. 02:33:49
Just every every store pretty much has one of these. 02:33:51
That road is not open to traffic. Yeah, you know. 02:33:55
So and that might be a future consideration. 02:33:58
That's a possibility. Turn off, turn off Osborne if this becomes a big thing. But. 02:34:03
I don't know that's. 02:34:06
Those are all the issues. 02:34:08
You know that we. 02:34:10
Yeah, and it is a pilot. 02:34:11
But could we have the cafe applications completed with the safety features etcetera? 02:34:14
Come back. 02:34:22
To us. 02:34:23
To take a look at. 02:34:24
I think, you know, we need to really look at our liability issues and also. 02:34:29
Make sure the design. 02:34:35
Features are in keeping with. 02:34:37
What we want? 02:34:39
I agree. I mean, I love the idea. 02:34:41
I think it's it would be great for us. 02:34:43
It's not a typical process in the city's cafe permit ordinance, but I think if you were to. 02:34:49
Requested. I don't see any problem. 02:34:56
I think like I said, maybe maybe since just just for this first one and and. 02:34:59
You know, like I said, because it is in the pilot nature, but. 02:35:03
You know, as we move down the road, I don't think we necessarily want to be stepping on the toes and slowing progress, but I could 02:35:06
see for this first one, you know, maybe taking that additional step so. 02:35:11
And could we? 02:35:17
Modify anything in order to make that happen. 02:35:19
So could we task? 02:35:22
City with checking on speed limit. 02:35:25
For the area that we are going to make the pilot area in. 02:35:29
Do we want to? 02:35:32
Make that area smaller. I think that's a good idea too. Yeah, I do believe so, because at least at the end of the road it is a 02:35:36
safer area because it's at the end. 02:35:40
Especially. 02:35:47
From the waterfront towards Kraken. 02:35:48
But yeah. 02:35:51
I definitely want us to visit. 02:35:52
Speed concerns and. 02:35:55
Safety and liability. I mean, we had this thing on hold. 02:35:56
And I guess I'd. 02:35:59
Almost for a period of time forgotten about the Milton case and it has yet to be resolved. We want to make sure that. 02:36:01
We are not at liability. 02:36:06
Yeah, that happened in 2016, by the way. 02:36:07
Yeah, yeah. 02:36:10
So OK. 02:36:13
Are we ready to vote? 02:36:14
Yes, all those in favor of the right away. 02:36:15
Approachment license agreement. 02:36:20
Approval. Uh. 02:36:22
No motion. I make a motion. 02:36:23
We proceed forward and approve this. 02:36:28
2nd. 02:36:31
And can we? 02:36:32
Add to that that the. 02:36:34
This first cafe permit. 02:36:36
Comes back to Council. 02:36:40
The city, they're turning and they said that we didn't need to put that in this. 02:36:44
This is the past. 02:36:47
OK. All right. 02:36:50
And it's coming back here, Yeah, before anything else happens. 02:36:51
Yeah, alright. Need a second? Alright. 02:36:54
Any other discussion? 02:36:57
All those in favor. 02:37:00
Aye, any opposed? 02:37:02
Any abstentions? 02:37:06
OK. I didn't see Mr. Jones move down there, but I'm going to say he approved so. 02:37:07
I read that somewhere. 02:37:14
Alright, let's see that. 02:37:16
Sir. Oh. 02:37:21
I think our. 02:37:24
Young lady with the department. 02:37:25
Of America. 02:37:27
Revolution is here. 02:37:29
If you so we read your proclamation. 02:37:31
Earlier. 02:37:34
Is there any more waters down there? 02:37:39
Is there another water over there? 02:37:42
That one, unopened. Perfect. 02:37:44
It's warm. Yeah, it's wet. That's right. 02:37:47
No, we have. 02:37:54
All right. Thank you very much. Quick, I promise. Thank you. One minute. 02:37:59
Right. 02:38:11
Thank you so much. 02:38:18
In reality, my mother wrote most of it. 02:38:20
Yes, Sir. 02:38:31
Alrighty. 02:38:34
We have item. 02:38:36
PP What happened? 02:38:38
Hey, my bathroom. Right. You you stay here long enough, I guess you got to go. Well, we have a quorum still. What? 02:38:41
See these anonymous P Yeah, P is is appropriate. 02:38:48
Fourth quarter town hall and development progress update. 02:38:53
This was just for clarity. You had a 5:00 PM and a six PM. What is is it two different times for two different things? 02:38:57
Yes, Sir, you have the development. 02:39:04
Progress update at 5:00 and then the fourth quarter is at 6. 02:39:06
OK, gotcha. October 2nd. Thank you. 02:39:10
Is it? That's it. 02:39:13
All right. So is everybody else OK with that? We'll get a motion to approve those? 02:39:14
They it's already set. 02:39:18
This is just in case you all need to it's. It's automatically set as this. 02:39:20
All right, so we don't need to vote. 02:39:24
OK. 02:39:26
And our last item was item R of Mr. Nascimentos. 02:39:28
Agenda item 2. 02:39:34
Use former military as. 02:39:36
Possible volunteers to supplement security in the schools. 02:39:39
Obviously is something that will would. 02:39:44
Eventually have to go before the school board for their approval on their property, but. 02:39:46
Certainly. 02:39:52
Open up the discussion, what you had in mind there I'll be, I'll be quick because I know we've been here a long time. One of the 02:39:53
things probably second to the roundabout on Winding and Colerain is my. 02:39:58
My phone and e-mail box being flooded with. 02:40:04
You know there's. 02:40:07
An obvious raise in temperature in the country, I think in the last two weeks we had. 02:40:09
3 instances in a middle. 02:40:13
In a elementary and in the high school. 02:40:15
With school threats, of course, you had the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 02:40:18
And, umm. 02:40:21
Parents in particular. 02:40:23
Understandably, are Ultra concerned about the safety of their young people in schools. 02:40:25
And I've had tons of people that message on a weekly basis. What are we doing about that? And of course, the school board, this is 02:40:30
their property, would have the big say. 02:40:35
But what I would like to propose is there are so many people that are former. 02:40:39
Military veterans, we have both active and former law enforcement that would love to volunteer their time. 02:40:44
To patrol our schools into, to Mr. Larry White's point, that is something that would need to be discussed. What would they be able 02:40:52
to do? 02:40:56
That would be a question for Mr. Galloway. He left. 02:41:00
Early and he maybe he'd be able to speak to it. 02:41:03
But I would like people even listening to look up Jefferson City School District in Georgia. 02:41:06
They have implemented this and had great success. I believe they started it in 2022. Also looking at best securing America. 02:41:11
As another thing to look up if you wanted to go to. 02:41:19
Private route which I believe we have enough volunteers we wouldn't even need to. 02:41:21
Go with an outside organization. 02:41:25
But if I could task anything, I would love to task the the staff to just go to the school board about that and for the people that 02:41:27
are either in this room. 02:41:31
That think that might be a good idea? Well, for the people listening at home. 02:41:35
I would challenge you to e-mail your school board and to start bringing this before them the. 02:41:38
They would like to see. I think it's Peace of Mind for the parents. 02:41:43
As a parent of three. 02:41:45
Two teenagers and an 8 year old. I know this would make me feel better. 02:41:48
But I think it's something that people want to do, something people want to help. This wouldn't be a burden on the school nor on 02:41:52
the city and and this is something that would that would both make it safer and I'd much rather see. 02:41:58
Somebody that loves our country and loves our kids with a. 02:42:05
Bright colored vests patrolling our school rather than a big huge fence wrapped around. 02:42:08
You know, a playground like where Alcatraz, I think that's not a look that we want in Saint Mary's. 02:42:13
And I would much rather see this go into. 02:42:18
Fruition, but that that's all I got. 02:42:21
If you guys want to add anything to it, yeah. 02:42:22
Yeah, OK. 02:42:27
You know, I just wanted to point out that Saint Mary's. 02:42:29
Was very proactive after Chief Galloway came on board here. You know, we were short. 02:42:31
Staffed and he's done a great job of filling out our police force. 02:42:36
And at that time. 02:42:40
You know the county. 02:42:43
The sheriff at the time had, you know. 02:42:44
Made a promise to put a, you know, officer a school. 02:42:47
Resource officer at every school. Well, they weren't staffed well enough and it wasn't being taken care of where they were. 02:42:50
Kind of sharing schools and making a rotation and especially the elementary schools, you know, they didn't have a whole lot of. 02:42:55
A force present. 02:43:02
And she valued took it personal, wanted to make sure that Saint Mary's was covered. So Saint Mary's is actually proactive and does 02:43:04
have a school resource officer at every school in Saint Mary's. 02:43:09
So that being said, you know before it goes to the school board. 02:43:14
I think that we should actually. 02:43:19
Discuss it with, you know, our school Resource Officer program. 02:43:20
And see if they, you know, have a. 02:43:23
You know, and A and need, but B you know, want to put together a program where they do work with volunteer citizens to help patrol 02:43:25
the schools. I, I kind of like it reminds me of Beverly Hills cop. You know, we can call it cop citizens on patrol. So anyways. 02:43:33
Sorry. 02:43:42
80s movies. But anyways, I think that we should start with our law enforcement and, you know, see if there's a need and they want 02:43:43
to help incorporate that program with the volunteers and then they can help present it to the school board is something we want to 02:43:47
proceed with. 02:43:50
One thing I will. 02:43:54
Share with. 02:43:56
Everybody. 02:43:57
That what the school system. 02:43:58
I have a press box. 02:44:01
Crew at the football games. 02:44:02
And I have to submit my list. 02:44:03
Volunteers. 02:44:06
For approval from the school system. 02:44:08
An RPM to work. 02:44:11
After school. 02:44:13
So that would be not just that the high school would be every school system, so. 02:44:15
And it's just a. 02:44:21
They're just betting out and making sure everybody's good to go. 02:44:23
And. 02:44:26
It's my understanding from what I've read online. 02:44:27
I hadn't talked to Doctor Green about this or anything. 02:44:31
But it's my understanding that they're going to have in middle school and high school. 02:44:34
They're actually going to have. 02:44:39
The devices at all the doors that's going to. 02:44:40
Beep or whatever if somebody would come in there with with any type of metal or whatever. 02:44:43
So I think that's a good thing. So Jeremy, my question for you would be. 02:44:48
Are you talking about those people being within the school all day long? 02:44:51
Or you're talking about those people being. 02:44:56
On board school and after school only. 02:44:58
Or just patrolling the area about you. But it's someone. It's a deterrent. We have a watchdog program at our church. 02:45:01
Or periodically people are both walking the halls and they're walking outside. 02:45:08
And. 02:45:13
It's a deterrent that just someone sees them, they're actively patrolling. 02:45:14
From anything happened and you don't have to have someone there all six hours. Maybe someone wants to take 3 and another. That's 02:45:18
two people a day. 02:45:21
That's if you did 3 and 3. 02:45:25
You know, from the start of school to the end of school, it's not like it would take a bunch of time, but it would be a deterrent 02:45:26
from anybody trying to do something. 02:45:30
And usually that's enough. 02:45:34
Well, you know Doctor Green at the high school, which is our Superintendent. 02:45:36
She is totally awesome. 02:45:41
And she does a great job in dumb. 02:45:42
Keeping our kids safe is the number one most important thing. From her. From her. 02:45:45
I'm sure in the number 22 thing is probably. 02:45:49
Dang, I'm not gonna say that. Education and then Wildcats. 02:45:53
So I'll just put it like that. 02:45:56
But yeah, thank you. 02:45:58
No, OK. 02:45:59
Thank you and and like I said, I know, I know. 02:46:03
Jeremy said that you mentioned it, the chief got away before he had to go and and. 02:46:05
He showed some. 02:46:09
Positive. Yeah, you know. 02:46:11
Thoughts about it and so? 02:46:12
Definitely we can. 02:46:14
Continue those conversations with him and. 02:46:15
Look at some of the programs these other places have and then unless they maybe take that to the school board. 02:46:18
And I see. 02:46:24
See what we can get out of. 02:46:25
OK. Thank you. 02:46:27
Madam Clerk, I think we're ready for the announcement of our calendar. 02:46:30
Yes, Sir. 02:46:35
On Friday, September the 19th at 9:00 AM here in Council Chambers, we have St. Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignments. 02:46:43
That first one will be trials. 02:46:49
Also which will be added today after this meeting is at 10:00 AM meeting. 02:46:51
On Friday, September the 19th from the Development Authority Saint Mary's, they will have a work session regarding the DASM Works 02:46:56
website and that will be held at the Ward Hernandez Building. 02:47:01
Again, that would be Friday, September the 19th at 9:00 AM. 02:47:06
Followed by the 11:00. 02:47:09
Saint Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignments here in council chambers. 02:47:11
On Tuesday, September the 23rd. 02:47:15
At 2:00 PM, we'll have a request for proposal construction. 02:47:17
Of the two recreational tennis courts hearing council chambers. 02:47:21
Also on Tuesday, September the 23rd. 02:47:24
At 3:30 PM in the Ward Handedness building, we'll have the Saint Mary's Convention and Visitors Bureau. 02:47:27
Authority meeting. 02:47:31
Followed by the 5:30 PM Historic Preservation Commission meeting here in Council Chambers. 02:47:33
On Wednesday, October the 1st at 5:00 PM in the Main Street office is Development Authority. 02:47:39
Of Saint Mary's meeting. 02:47:43
On Thursday. 02:47:45
October the 2nd. 02:47:46
At 2:00 PM in the Planning and Building conference room is the Tree Board meeting. 02:47:48
And on Friday, September the 3rd. 02:47:52
At 9:00 AM here in Council chambers will have Saint Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignment and on Monday, October the 6th at 6:00 02:47:55
PM. 02:47:58
The City Council meeting here in chambers, Sir. All right. Thank you, Madam. 02:48:02
All right, council member comment. 02:48:07
Anybody have anything they want to add after this 3 1/2 hours? 02:48:11
I passed my bedtime or that Georgia game the other night. 02:48:16
Never had a doubt. 02:48:21
Hell. 02:48:23
I do want to say that we did have a lot of good citizen comments tonight. 02:48:25
And on Nick Harris, his situation at farm to family. 02:48:29
I mean, I can see where that's a real situation. 02:48:34
I know that when. 02:48:37
Chris at Magic Market. 02:48:39
You know, a couple years ago. 02:48:42
You know, he actually had to have a request to to. 02:48:44
You know, for, uh. 02:48:47
Open houses like his parking lot would get flooded. 02:48:48
During big functions right here across the street and he had no parking for his customers and that was a big issue for him. 02:48:51
I know that some people criticized him for even saying anything about the school, but that's, you know, that's his private 02:48:57
property, his business. And a lot of citizens stood up for Chris and and he's a good person to the community. And, you know, he he 02:49:03
shouldn't lose money because there's a function at the school. The parking should be where it's supposed to be. 02:49:08
Now, in Mr. Harris's case, under that is city parking on the street in front of his business. 02:49:14
So he's not 100% entitled to it. 02:49:20
But. 02:49:22
I have noticed that there are signs to use crosswalks there. 02:49:23
We may have to actually enforce that because it is a safety concern. There are children that don't across the road. I drive that 02:49:28
every morning on the way to work. 02:49:32
And I have dodged a child or two that just starts running out across that median. It is a dangerous spot. 02:49:36
We do have student resource officers there or school resource officers there. 02:49:41
You know, I think that we should help Mr. Harris and maybe, you know. 02:49:46
Give some warnings at first, but just try to deter parents from walking across that medium before and after school so they're not 02:49:50
encouraged to park. 02:49:53
In front of his business. I'm sure that's a big time for him and if. 02:49:57
He says he's losing money. I don't disagree with. I'm sure that he is and it could be. 02:50:01
You know, solved if he did have some parking spaces and. 02:50:04
In front of his business. So I think it's something we should take a look at. 02:50:08
You know what? That's it. Go dogs. 02:50:11
What what was the reason we couldn't have like the Is it just because the city? 02:50:15
Parking for everybody that we couldn't have a timer. 02:50:18
Where it, you know, like he mentioned, you know, 15 minutes or. 02:50:21
Yeah, and that's not. 02:50:26
OK. Because I mean, I thought that was actually the best idea for that. 02:50:29
OK. Anyone else? 02:50:35
All right for reporter the mayor. 02:50:38
I will echo the go dogs. 02:50:40
You, you know. You are some things by heart, you know. 02:50:44
Even even if there are those that aren't. 02:50:48
But I appreciate everybody. 02:50:51
All the comments you know. 02:50:54
Sometimes. 02:50:57
People don't think that we're listening, you know they're. 02:50:59
There are a lot of things going on obviously and and we do hear you. 02:51:02
And we are. 02:51:06
Trying to. 02:51:07
Address a myriad of problems and and issues. 02:51:09
And. 02:51:12
You know, just as. 02:51:14
This the issue with the moratorium today. You know there are some major problems, you know that that. 02:51:15
Require a lot of time as well. It doesn't mean. 02:51:22
We're not listening. 02:51:24
To the individual problems. 02:51:25
You know and. 02:51:29
And as Mr. Daniels. 02:51:30
Spoke about, you know, some of the ongoing issues at some of our housing. 02:51:32
Properties you know. 02:51:37
People are being impacted. 02:51:39
Cities trying to dig in and. 02:51:41
Address some of these things. I appreciate the time and the effort that staff. 02:51:43
Are putting into that and. 02:51:47
I know it's not easy. They're tough decisions and. 02:51:49
We we are working on them and we always appreciate you reminding us. 02:51:53
But but progress is slow and we are, but we are making progress so and I thank you for that, so. 02:52:00
With that, I'll entertain a motion for adjournment. 02:52:07
Remove. 02:52:10
Second by Mr. All those in favor. 02:52:15
Aye, that's unanimous now. 02:52:17
Hey, Cortana. 02:52:20
3 1/2 hours, what you got? 02:52:23
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Or say, for blushing us. 00:00:32
In such a beautiful way. 00:00:35
And on a daily basis. 00:00:37
For the opportunity we have the Council. 00:00:39
Have to do IT work alongside our staff. 00:00:41
For betterment of our. 00:00:44
And for the citizens of Saint Mary's. 00:00:46
Who we serve. 00:00:48
I want to be with our men and women. 00:00:51
Of the Armed Services who serve and protect our country. 00:00:53
Both home and abroad. 00:00:56
Lord, we truly thank you for the employees of the City of Saint Mary. 00:00:58
Keep them safe. 00:01:04
And guide them. 00:01:05
Our word we pray in Jesus name. 00:01:07
Amen. 00:01:10
Please join me in the pledge. 00:01:11
Of the United States of America. 00:01:13
To the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:18
One Nation, America. 00:01:21
And resolve with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:23
Madam Clerk, we have our roll call, please. 00:01:31
Yes, Sir. 00:01:33
Councilman Jones. 00:01:34
One I'm here. 00:01:36
Councilman Connor Post 2. 00:01:37
Present Councilman Ingram post 3 here. 00:01:39
Councilman Nascimento post 4 here. 00:01:42
Councilman Rassie Post 5. 00:01:45
President, Councilman King Post 6 here. 00:01:47
Mayor Lockhart. 00:01:51
I'm here, man. Sir, we have a quorum. Yes, ma'am. And for the record, a unanimous vote is 6. Yes, Sir. 00:01:52
Our first item is the approval of our minutes from our August 18th Council meeting. I'll entertain a motion. 00:01:59
Approved. So moved. 00:02:06
Second motion by Mr. Nashman, a second by Mr. Jones. Any discussion? 00:02:07
All those in favor. 00:02:11
Aye, any opposed? 00:02:12
That's unanimous, man. 00:02:15
Yes, Sir. 00:02:16
And in moving into our presentations, our first item is a recognition. 00:02:18
Recognition of our. 00:02:24
United States Coast Guard Member. 00:02:26
I have on here that Mister Lackner is going. 00:02:29
Do this, but I'm gonna read it, OK? 00:02:31
Alrighty. 00:02:36
September 15th, 2025. 00:02:38
ET 1 Austin Fairchild, United States Coast Guard. 00:02:41
The city of Saint Mary's in conjunction with the Saint Mary's Fire Department. 00:02:45
Believe strongly in recognizing outstanding service and dedication within our community. 00:02:49
It is in this spirit that we take great pride in formally acknowledging your courageous actions on August 8th. 00:02:54
2025. 00:03:00
At approximately 11:20 AM, a fire was reported at 1:48 Ashwood Circle in Saint Mary's. 00:03:02
Upon arrival, fire crews encountered heavy fire and smoke conditions. 00:03:08
Coming from the back right portion of the residence. 00:03:11
Without hesitation, you entered the home and successfully assisted. 00:03:14
An 80 year old woman and her dog to safety. 00:03:18
Your rapid assessment of the emergency and decisive actions was instrumental. 00:03:21
And saving a life that day. 00:03:25
The professionalism, bravery and commitment you demonstrated. 00:03:28
Reflect the highest standards of the United States Coast Guard and the values we strive to uphold as public servants. 00:03:31
On behalf of the City of Saint Mary's and the Saint Mary's Fire Department. 00:03:37
Please accept our sincere appreciation for your heroism. 00:03:41
And service. 00:03:44
Your actions serve as an example to all and remind us of the vital role all first responders play in protecting. 00:03:46
The lives of our citizens. 00:03:52
With gratitude and respect. 00:03:54
I'll come up here with. 00:04:11
Thank you very much. 00:04:22
Right back down there. Just a second. 00:04:41
Thank you. 00:04:55
Thank you. 00:04:57
Thank you. 00:04:58
All right, our next item is our presentation. 00:05:05
Update on our Exit 1 project from my representatives at Volker. 00:05:08
Mr. Battle. 00:05:12
So good evening council members and. 00:05:26
Turn the mic. 00:05:32
Front button. 00:05:34
On the front. 00:05:36
There you go. Got it. Thank you. 00:05:38
OK, that's better. 00:05:40
So good evening council members and. 00:05:41
Fair Lockhart appreciate the opportunity to come. 00:05:43
A few introductions. Again, Bill Powell, the operation manager, and. 00:05:46
I managed the Jacksonville office for. 00:05:50
Poker got a couple of our executive. 00:05:52
Members here today I just like to introduce. 00:05:55
Mike Warren Key is our chief. 00:05:57
Engineer for the Southeast region and the vice president. 00:05:59
And then stand. 00:06:02
Winter is the Vice President of our Program Management Services and then Jimmy Screen. 00:06:04
Is the president of our Program Management Services. 00:06:09
So proud to be here. 00:06:13
Appreciate it. 00:06:14
OK, so our task orders umm. 00:06:19
2 are complete, so we're. 00:06:21
We're down to three general task orders. 00:06:24
OK, we're still we. 00:06:26
We have these three task orders open. 00:06:28
The General program management services. 00:06:30
The hydraulic modeling. 00:06:33
Plan Review. 00:06:35
And then the balance of those that are in blue. 00:06:37
Are the exit 1? 00:06:39
Projects. 00:06:41
That we're currently working on. 00:06:42
I'll run through the task orders quickly and then we'll get to the infrastructure projects task order one. 00:06:47
We have a few tasks that we're currently working on. We're finishing up the G. 00:06:53
The Gmail emergency genset RFP. 00:06:57
The lead service line. The field investigation. 00:07:00
To identify lead service lines. 00:07:04
Or rule them out. 00:07:07
And then that last one I'll. 00:07:08
To review some of the Freezing Nickels master plan. 00:07:11
Priority projects for sanitary sewer projects and that'll come up a little later. 00:07:14
When we're talking about the sewer. 00:07:19
Concerns with the city so. 00:07:20
We're working on those with. 00:07:22
Chris and Bobby. 00:07:24
The hydraulic modeling. 00:07:28
Again, this one's going to come in handy again when we're talking on the. 00:07:30
The sewer and what lift stations need to be improved and we still have budget in there. 00:07:33
To help the city identify. 00:07:38
The remedies for some of those lift stations that are concerning. 00:07:40
Public works. 00:07:44
So that one remains open as well. 00:07:46
The task order number 3. 00:07:49
The plan review. 00:07:51
That one's kind of winded down another city. 00:07:53
You added the city engineer? 00:07:55
The assistant public works director and then a planner that are helping with that plan review now so our. 00:07:58
Our service is kind of trimmed down, but we left it open in case Jamie or her team need us in the future. 00:08:03
And then the City Hall, the sewer, that one's complete. 00:08:11
And then the Colerain. 00:08:20
Traffic study. That one's complete. 00:08:22
And then we get to the the task orders. 00:08:26
For the Exit 1 projects. 00:08:29
So task order 5 is the water treatment plant. 00:08:33
The three that are highlighted in yellow are under construction. 00:08:37
Yeah. 00:08:41
And I just want to pause here. 00:08:44
Had a few things about. 00:08:46
Volcker that. 00:08:48
Some of you may may not know about, but we certainly appreciate the opportunity to be program managers and. 00:08:49
Take that responsibility. 00:08:55
Seriously, we're here to serve. 00:08:58
The community. 00:09:00
And we have one of our key. 00:09:02
Values is to. 00:09:05
Serve where we. 00:09:06
Have projects so just so you know we are sponsoring the. 00:09:08
Seafood Festival coming up, one of the sponsors and. 00:09:12
Our team from Jacksonville is going to volunteer there, so. 00:09:15
You take that serious and our. 00:09:18
Our corporate folks expect us to serve where we have projects, so appreciate that. 00:09:20
Our goal that I. 00:09:25
Always try to. 00:09:27
Explain is that we. 00:09:30
We're here to make sure that projects are safe. 00:09:31
Compliant, good quality and good value for the city. 00:09:34
We fully support the city. 00:09:38
And represent them in every task that we do. 00:09:40
The TAD I think. 00:09:44
A few you're going to recognize this term I've. 00:09:46
In the past I've either said we're hurting cats. 00:09:49
Or, uh. 00:09:51
We're trying to get everybody to play in the sandbox together. 00:09:52
Because, uh. 00:09:55
We have two developers. 00:09:56
3 consultants. 00:09:58
The city. Public works The city. 00:09:59
Community Development. 00:10:02
There's a couple of developers and then we have a couple power companies, so. 00:10:04
A lot of coordination. 00:10:08
To keep everybody. 00:10:09
Going in the same direction. 00:10:11
But so far so good. 00:10:13
We've negotiated about. 00:10:15
$170,000 in savings. 00:10:17
For the city. 00:10:20
In either direct fee negotiations with. 00:10:21
The consultants. 00:10:24
That we've hired. You've hired. 00:10:25
How or scope of work reductions where either? 00:10:27
They're they're doing something that we. 00:10:32
We should be doing so. We'll pull that out of your scope to save that money. 00:10:35
And then again, fully support Bobby and his team for whatever they need. 00:10:39
And lookout for their best interests at every meeting we attend. 00:10:43
Well, every decision we make. 00:10:46
And again, Jamie's group. 00:10:48
Excellent to work with him. 00:10:51
She's certainly looking out for what's best in the. 00:10:53
Development for the city and we fully support her and her team for that. 00:10:56
The water treatment plant, A few updates for that. 00:11:02
Reynolds constructions were. 00:11:05
Reynolds Construction was awarded the contract. I think owner about. 00:11:07
819 So we have construction underway. 00:11:11
OK. When you're driving by there, you'll see clearing. 00:11:15
Rubbing, erosion and sedimentation control. 00:11:18
Items going up. 00:11:21
We started the periodic construction. 00:11:23
Progress meetings that we run. 00:11:26
For the city, and those are bi weekly now, but as construction ramps up over the next month or so, those will turn out to be 00:11:28
weekly, weekly construction meetings. 00:11:32
We report out to the city. 00:11:39
Monthly on. 00:11:41
The progress that's being made in a written form in. 00:11:43
It'll be good now that we can start adding some construction photos. 00:11:46
These are the water transplant financials. This is just from our. 00:11:55
Program Management Services E Builder. 00:11:58
It's a program. 00:12:01
Management software that we use to track all the finances for the projects. 00:12:03
Our services, our fees. 00:12:10
ETM Consultants fees. 00:12:12
The contractor. 00:12:15
And their cost? 00:12:16
And that's how we track that. 00:12:18
Simple pie chart here but we have detailed. 00:12:20
How project reports that we can print out and and share? 00:12:23
As needed. 00:12:28
Task order number six is the Saint Mary's intersection improvements. 00:12:31
So that one. 00:12:35
We hope. 00:12:36
Sometime next week to be out. 00:12:37
Advertising that one forbid. 00:12:39
OK, so we've got the. 00:12:41
Design documents ready to go. 00:12:43
Some minor. 00:12:45
Comments that we had for the. 00:12:47
ETM consultant to finish, but that one should be out to advertise next week. 00:12:48
If everything goes well. 00:12:53
Again, just the financials for that you can. 00:12:56
Can't see that. I'm not going to go that unless you have questions about it later. 00:12:58
Esplanade Blvd. That's the. 00:13:03
Main entrance to the Taylor Morrison. 00:13:05
Subdivision so that one is under construction again. 00:13:09
Clearing rubbings taking place on the erosion control. 00:13:12
And sedimentation is in place. 00:13:15
And again, we expect that construction to pick up quickly like the other roadway because. 00:13:17
We've accelerated. 00:13:22
The schedules and. 00:13:24
Expecting them to stick to those schedules so. 00:13:26
A lot of work will be. 00:13:28
Happening over the next few months. 00:13:29
Finally, we have a construction photo to show you. 00:13:34
And we'll in the reports in the future, we'll certainly. 00:13:37
Provide some interesting ones as we go to the. 00:13:40
Water, tree and plant expansion. 00:13:43
I mean construction. 00:13:45
The lift station and the roadways as things get along, so. 00:13:47
We'll be able to share those. 00:13:50
And we'll also put those photographs in. 00:13:52
The reports that we share with Bobby. 00:13:54
On a monthly basis. 00:13:56
Fire Station Rd. 00:14:04
That is being built. 00:14:06
In conjunction with and went out to bid and is being built in conjunction. 00:14:08
With. 00:14:11
The water treatment plant. 00:14:12
And one of the lift stations. 00:14:14
There's three required. 00:14:16
For exit 1, so one of the lift stations. 00:14:17
The combined that lift station. 00:14:20
The Fire Station Rd. 00:14:22
Which is still. 00:14:24
Waters Rd. 00:14:26
And the water plant all together in order to bid it. 00:14:28
And get it under construction. 00:14:32
Quickly. 00:14:34
Grand Lake. 00:14:38
Originally was labeled. 00:14:40
Haddock Rd. North. 00:14:42
Is the entrance on the north side of Saint Mary's Road. 00:14:44
To the Taylor Morrison and Radiant. 00:14:48
Property. 00:14:51
So that one. 00:14:52
We're at 90% design. 00:14:53
And expect by December to have the bid documents out and ready to advertise for that project. 00:14:56
And then Task Order 10 is the Saint Mary. 00:15:08
Beautification project. 00:15:12
So we've gone back and forth. 00:15:14
Between a couple. 00:15:16
Consultants ETM and Land Design to try to get the best value for the city. 00:15:17
So we've negotiated. 00:15:24
A few times with each. 00:15:25
And we're ready to. 00:15:27
Sit down with the city and make a final recommendation so that should. 00:15:28
Come before Council. 00:15:33
At some point in the near future. 00:15:35
For review and approval. 00:15:37
And that project will include. 00:15:40
At the beginning, will include. 00:15:42
The design and permitting. 00:15:45
And then we'll move on to construction. 00:15:47
After that. 00:15:49
And the last one of the sanitary sewer lift station, so I can say. 00:15:54
78 Lift station 78 is being built with the water plant because it's up there in the water plant property. 00:15:58
So it made sense to do that. 00:16:05
79. 00:16:07
Is the one that's going to serve. 00:16:09
Esplanade Blvd. 00:16:12
And that one is going to be. 00:16:14
A separate project. 00:16:15
And then 70, I mean night. 00:16:17
#80 is going to be built in conjunction. 00:16:20
With Grand Lake Drive. 00:16:23
Because it's. 00:16:25
Along that corridor. 00:16:26
And not nestled in a. 00:16:28
Stormwater management areas. So we're going to. 00:16:29
Bid that one out. 00:16:32
The lift station, we've kind of paused that for the last couple weeks, the design. 00:16:34
We've reached a 90% design level What we've paused it. 00:16:38
So that EPM, the city and Volker could look at. 00:16:42
That scrubby bluff. 00:16:45
Treatment plant and. 00:16:46
See if it can handle more of the flows from extra 1. 00:16:49
Because if it could handle more of the flows and it's a good value for the city. 00:16:52
We could eliminate. 00:16:57
Some long. 00:16:58
Force main runs which is very costly. 00:16:59
And also alleviate some of the. 00:17:02
Pain points that Chris is looking at and some other risk in the existing system so. 00:17:05
That one's kind of on hold just for a couple weeks and in order to determine. 00:17:10
The best direction for the city? 00:17:13
For the lift station. 00:17:15
And I thought I had a slide there that said thank you and we'll take some questions. 00:17:28
In your packets up there. 00:17:32
In your packets up there some of the reports that we can print out. 00:17:34
On a monthly basis for the financials. 00:17:38
For the project. 00:17:41
We can do it. 00:17:43
Per project we can do the group of projects as you can see. 00:17:44
The cash flow. 00:17:47
And certainly our program. 00:17:50
Tool spits out a number of details. If folks are interested, we could certainly do a workshop or. 00:17:52
Show that on an individual basis or a couple people if you're interested in seeing how we track the finances for that. 00:17:59
Because this is a detailed. 00:18:06
Software that we use. 00:18:07
One question, Bill on the. 00:18:11
Access Rd. 00:18:13
For the water treatment and the fire station. 00:18:15
I don't know if this is exactly the same place that years ago rate. 00:18:20
Rainier, Radiant had proposed. 00:18:24
A fire station with a. 00:18:28
Potential commercial development. 00:18:31
You know, distribution centers, whatever an industrial area. 00:18:34
There on the Northside. 00:18:37
And in those initial drawings as I recall. 00:18:39
Call there was a. 00:18:42
Going to be a requirement for a bridge to go over some waterways and I don't know. 00:18:44
If that's been mitigated in some fashion, is the roads in the same place we're able to get away from the cost of that bridge? 00:18:49
Yeah, absolutely. Away from the bridge for sure. We mitigated the wetlands. So we are impacting the wetlands going through. 00:18:55
But we've mitigated that. 00:19:00
In the project. 00:19:02
And the city has had to pay for mitigation. 00:19:03
Bank to cover that mitigation. 00:19:06
But it's been covered, and it still is. 00:19:09
The plan north of the water plant. 00:19:11
To do some type of industrial. 00:19:14
Project Warehouse or something like that, but that's in Radiance court to still evaluate. 00:19:17
Exactly what they want to do up there. 00:19:22
As well as the commercial. 00:19:24
Yeah. 00:19:26
Yeah, the commercial pods along Saint Mary's. 00:19:27
Are still in Radiance Court. 00:19:30
OK. Thank you. 00:19:33
Yep. Anyone else have any other questions? 00:19:34
No, good job. Thank you very much. Appreciate you all being here tonight and then thank you for your support and of the. 00:19:36
Of the best. 00:19:43
We're excited. 00:19:45
We will for sure. Thank you. 00:19:48
I need help with. 00:19:53
We somebody cut fish too, so. 00:19:55
All right. Thank you all so much. 00:19:58
All right, next on our agenda tonight is a proclamation that I'll read for US Constitution Week. 00:20:00
And I believe we have a representative here. 00:20:06
Yes. 00:20:10
Hello. 00:20:13
OK, I'll read it anyway. 00:20:16
All right Proclamation for the United States of America, Constitution Week. 00:20:21
WHEREAS, September 17th, 2025 marks the 238th anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America. 00:20:25
By the Constitutional Convention. 00:20:33
And whereas Constitution week. 00:20:35
Is an American observance to commemorate the adoption. 00:20:37
And whereas it is fitting and proper to afford official recognition. 00:20:41
To this magnificent document. 00:20:45
It's memorable anniversary and patriotic celebrations. 00:20:47
Which commemorate the occasion. 00:20:50
It is important to reflect on the privilege of being an American, with all the rights and responsibilities which that privilege 00:20:53
involves. 00:20:56
And whereas public law, 9/15. 00:20:59
Guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year by the President of the United States of America. 00:21:02
Designating September 17th. 00:21:08
Through the 23rd as Constitution week. 00:21:10
And whereas Constitutional Week reminds all Americans to focus on this very important document. 00:21:13
By reviewing the Constitution. 00:21:19
Remembering the spirit which embodies it and educating our children. 00:21:21
On the importance of the Constitution. 00:21:25
So they may be good stewards of our tomorrow. 00:21:27
Now, therefore, I Gregory Lockhart, mayor of city of Saint Mary to. 00:21:30
About Proclaim September 17th through 23rd 25 as Constitution Week. 00:21:33
Thank you SO. 00:21:39
We'll get this to. 00:21:41
The representatives, but just so you know that we have some activities that will be going on. 00:21:43
That week. 00:21:48
That Miss Walker Reed is set up for us. 00:21:49
There'll be a table outside the doors there with some pocket Constitution copies. 00:21:52
There'll be some. 00:21:58
Coloring pages and things for crayons for the kids and stuff. There'll be some videos that you can come in. 00:21:59
Set up to watch on, you know how the Constitution came to be and some of those. 00:22:06
Kinds of things, so. 00:22:11
If you have an interest or would like to bring your children down, we'd certainly encourage you to do so. 00:22:13
Thank you very much. 00:22:18
Next item is the. 00:22:23
Board appointment announcement for the Tax Allocation district #3 we have one seat still. 00:22:25
And a board appointment. 00:22:31
Took under. 00:22:32
Because of term expiration of the Camden County Board of Education. 00:22:34
Sex Educ. 00:22:37
Instructional Review Committee, if you have any interest in serving on either one of those capacities. 00:22:39
Please see Miss Walker read. 00:22:44
All right. We have the report of our authority, so we have our finance. 00:22:46
Assistant Finance Director is going to be making our presentation looks like. 00:22:51
Yes, Sir. 00:22:54
Good evening Mayor and Council. In your packets you will find the financial report for the city's revenue and expenditures. 00:22:56
Through July 2025. 00:23:01
Which is the first month of the fiscal year 20, FY20 26. 00:23:04
Are there any questions? 00:23:08
All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:23:10
With that, we have our city manager. 00:23:18
Good evening Mayor and council and citizens. 00:23:25
Demolition of Old City Pool. 00:23:31
As everybody might be aware, Anderson Environmental. 00:23:33
Has been contracted to perform the. 00:23:36
The lead and asbestos removal of the swimming pool. 00:23:39
And accessory structures. 00:23:44
Contract deadlines for September the 28th, 2025. 00:23:46
Once this is completed, public works can begin the demolition process. 00:23:50
Right away, Mowing city. 00:23:55
The route for city cruises down to 14 days after. 00:23:57
Contracting additional Rd. sections and Waterfront Park. 00:24:01
The bowling crew is currently working in the. 00:24:04
N Dandy St. Spence St. Area. 00:24:07
And we'll head down, shadow on. 00:24:10
Area next. 00:24:12
The contractors Coastal Greenery and Addies. 00:24:14
Lawn care or walk in their perspective roadway sections. 00:24:17
Sidewalk and curb edging has been a topic of concern for residents due to the weed killers being used instead of mechanical 00:24:20
edging. 00:24:24
Contractors have may been made aware not to use the weed killer for hedging, but only. 00:24:28
For cracks and joint weed control. 00:24:33
Contractors have also been asked to provide a course for completing edging performed twice a month. 00:24:36
And we are waiting on those estimates. 00:24:41
Landscape Innovations has been contracted to remove and replace the stone paver walkways. 00:24:44
In the first row, median. 00:24:50
The one with the cannon. 00:24:53
At Saint Mary St. and Osborne. 00:24:54
Work is expected to begin around the middle of September and completely within one week. 00:24:57
Our ditch crews as of 9/15. 00:25:03
This crews are 70% complete with. 00:25:06
With the outfall ditches. 00:25:08
And just completed the ditches in the small St. 00:25:11
Area. 00:25:14
And Marsh Cove. 00:25:15
Area. 00:25:16
This crew number 2 is currently repairing a leaking storm drain inlet. 00:25:17
On stable alley and is cleaning ditches throughout the city. 00:25:23
That are in urgent need of cleaning. 00:25:26
Y'all play strange Project Public works staff have met with the three property owners and have received verbal commitments. 00:25:30
To provide easements to the city. 00:25:37
They use my documents have been developed by the city attorney. 00:25:39
The Public Works department is working to get the easement document signed by the property owners. 00:25:42
Once these must have been signed and recorded, the city can move and establish. 00:25:47
The necessary swell to mitigate the backyard drainage issues at that location. 00:25:52
Palmetto St. Drainage bill. 00:25:58
Is time tightening the property owner that is adjacent to amelt reach? 00:26:01
This is the partial that. 00:26:06
The temporary ditch. 00:26:08
Was constructed onto. 00:26:10
Mr. Amos. 00:26:12
Chris Amos sent the blow sketch showing. 00:26:14
Where the easement is needed, Bill? 00:26:17
Gross will forward this partial. 00:26:19
To the partial owner and let us know if he's agreeable with granting the easement. 00:26:21
We have received word from Mr. Gross that the property owner that he dealt with. 00:26:25
Is getting the proper. 00:26:30
Our proposed range easement. 00:26:31
Hold on, let me back up. 00:26:34
We have received word from Mr. Gross that the property owner that he dealt with is agreeing to the proposed range easement across 00:26:36
the property. 00:26:40
The Public Works is currently working to secure Surveyor. 00:26:44
For the survey and legal description, they did submit to the city attorney draft the easement. 00:26:48
Agreement for the property owner to sign. 00:26:54
Tollway Rd. Winding Rd. Roundabout. 00:26:59
The City of Kingsland and the City of Saint Mary's have teamed up on this project, including design, permit and construction. 00:27:03
The City of Kingsland will take the lead on the project, with the City of Saint Mary's having collaborative input throughout the 00:27:09
whole process. 00:27:13
With expenses being split 5050 between the two cities. 00:27:16
The request for qualifications and seal. 00:27:21
The proposals for design services have been put out by the City of Kingsland. 00:27:24
And they are set to be open on October 9th. 00:27:28
2025 at 2:00 PM. 00:27:31
The Limbic projects. 00:27:33
FY22. 00:27:37
FY23 24. 00:27:38
And the supplemental 24 are currently in progress. 00:27:41
However, there are punch list items. 00:27:45
And corrections. 00:27:47
To some of these St. locations. 00:27:51
Hormone. 00:27:52
Most of them have been strike. They're going through the process now of. 00:27:56
Double checking the punch list. 00:28:00
And ensuring that those projects are completed so. 00:28:02
And I think there's an inspection sometime this week. 00:28:06
All knows to finalize them. 00:28:09
Next you'll see in your packet council that's the grant status. 00:28:18
And we'd be here all night if I named everyone of them where we're at with the status. But. 00:28:22
Everything is right there for you to see. 00:28:26
Including the department. 00:28:28
And the funding? 00:28:30
And what agencies? 00:28:31
We are looking from. 00:28:32
Funding for Come on in the House. 00:28:34
How are you? 00:28:37
And mayor and council. 00:28:41
That completes my. 00:28:42
Report from Sydney. 00:28:44
Thank you. 00:28:46
Thank you. Miss Horton there. Any questions? 00:28:47
I do have a question about your place. 00:28:50
Yes, ma'am. 00:28:53
We drafted our attorney, I guess is drafted the. 00:28:54
Easements. 00:28:59
Are we having trouble reaching? 00:29:01
The families. 00:29:04
I don't believe so. 00:29:06
No, because we've we've been working on it for a while. 00:29:08
I'm just wondering when we're going to be able to get those signed and get it hopefully very soon. 00:29:12
Hopefully very soon. 00:29:18
All right. And as soon as we do, we're moving. 00:29:20
OK. All right. Thank you, Robbie. 00:29:24
Thank you, Sir. Thank you. 00:29:27
OK, this is. 00:29:32
Section where we'll uh. 00:29:34
Set our consent agenda, but I believe I. 00:29:37
To entertain a motion for Mr. Nascimento, yes, I'd like to add. 00:29:41
I I guess it would be R We're going to put it to the end. 00:29:45
On utilizing volunteers and retired military. 00:29:49
Both active or former law enforcement to patrol our schools to keep our schools safe. 00:29:53
So I just like to add that as a agenda item R for a discussion item. 00:29:58
AT. 00:30:04
Actually with three pass. 00:30:06
Thank you. I'll be after case. That's all we have. 00:30:10
As well. 00:30:14
You are. 00:30:15
We are. 00:30:17
Yeah, so we. 00:30:18
Team. 00:30:20
Whatever the next floor, the alphabet is that one. 00:30:23
Yeah, it's hard. 00:30:27
Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't have an S. 00:30:29
I have a cue. 00:30:31
We haven't. We have a different packet unless we added an item today and I don't have an updated package. 00:30:33
You always take the the second one on Friday, so you should. 00:30:40
You have. You should have. 00:30:45
Hello. Yeah, it's agenda item so far. 00:30:52
Yeah, understood. 00:30:56
Just the next letter. 00:30:58
All right, we're all going to go back to elementary school and work on the alphabet and learn that song again. 00:31:00
OK, so now we're going to set the motion. 00:31:07
Yes. So obviously I have a motion to add that to the agenda. 00:31:12
Their second I'll say of it. 00:31:15
Any discussion? 00:31:17
All those in favor. 00:31:19
Aye, any post. 00:31:20
All right, that's unanimous, Madam. We'll add nothing. 00:31:22
R OK. 00:31:25
Set the consent agenda. Now we have a item AO business. 00:31:28
Mission Trace covert replacement change order number one for AL Contracting. 00:31:33
Discuss. Discuss. 00:31:37
Under new business, we have item a resolution and quick claim deed for transfer of ownership regarding Saint Mary's Civic Park in 00:31:42
Lake Saint Mary's. 00:31:45
From the Cannon County Public Service Authority. 00:31:49
Accept can accept. 00:31:56
Item B Intergovernmental agreement for Parks and Recreation operations and programming, but. 00:32:00
Between Camden County, Camden County Public Service Authority, City of Kingsland, City of Woodbine, City of Saint Mary's. 00:32:05
Saint Mary's Civic St. Mary's. 00:32:11
Wrexham, Wreckfield and an otter's pond. 00:32:13
Discuss. 00:32:16
Item C Intergovernmental agreement. 00:32:21
Regarding Saint Mary's Submarine Museum marketing. 00:32:23
Between Camden County joint. 00:32:26
Development authority and City of Saint Mary's. 00:32:28
Consent. 00:32:31
Concern. 00:32:34
Consent. Consent. OK, I'm sorry. 00:32:35
Trying to make sure no no no discusses are mixed in there. 00:32:38
All right, consent. 00:32:42
Item T. 00:32:44
Additional personnel positions in police and public works departments. 00:32:45
Cancel. 00:32:48
Item E. 00:32:53
Budget ordinance amendment. 00:32:54
Fiscal year 2026 general fund equity Aquatic Center repairs. 00:32:55
Discuss. 00:32:59
Let's discuss item F Rezoning request for tax parcel S 3309006 from R1 single family residential with C1 commercial. 00:33:02
Church St. Cottages, 106 Church St. for Mr. Craig Root. 00:33:11
10%. 00:33:15
Item G Special use permit for parking lot on tax parcel. 00:33:20
S 3309006106 Church St. from Mr. Gregory. 00:33:24
Consent. 00:33:28
Item H Rezoning Request for Saint Mary's Commerce Park, Parcel 12B from I. 00:33:32
L Light industrial district. The C2. 00:33:38
Highway, commercial and community district. 00:33:40
Consent, Yeah. 00:33:43
Item I. 00:33:46
Zoning map amendment request for Saint Mary's Commerce and Industrial Park Development District overlay. 00:33:47
Commerce Park Industrial park site 2 and portion. 00:33:52
Of industrial park N site. 00:33:55
Consensus. 00:33:57
Item J. 00:34:00
Zoning. 00:34:01
Ordinance amendment to establish the Saint Mary's Commerce and the Industrial Park Development District. 00:34:02
Item K Resolution for 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district major rezoning. 00:34:12
Major subdivision, conceptual and preliminary plat applications and civil plan reviews. Discuss. 00:34:18
Item mail right of way encroachment license agreement between city of Saint Mary's and crack and coffee and kitchen company cities 00:34:29
creative uses of ripe. 00:34:33
Of way pilot program. 00:34:37
Discuss. 00:34:38
I don't mean I'm a professional services deductive amendment #1. 00:34:42
To current England hymns. 00:34:46
Miller task order one designed for tattoo water treatment plant. 00:34:48
Item N Professional services Deductive amendments #1 to current England teams and Miller task order number 3. 00:34:56
Fire Station Access Rd. Still Waters Rd. 00:35:03
And Phase 1A entry Rd. Esplanade Blvd. 00:35:06
Consent. 00:35:08
Item O. 00:35:13
Memorandum of agreement. Mutual aid. Firefighting assistance between Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay and City of Saint Mary's 00:35:15
concern. 00:35:18
Item P Fourth quarter town hall and development progress update. 00:35:25
Did you want to give clarification on that? 00:35:32
You know, we could discuss. That's fine. 00:35:36
Item Q Financial. 00:35:41
Consulting services for Financial Policy. Internal control of accounting system. 00:35:43
ERP and internal management reporting. 00:35:47
Malden and Jenkins. 00:35:50
Consent. 00:35:52
And item R using former military and volunteer as volunteers. 00:35:56
For the schools. 00:36:01
Discuss. Discuss. 00:36:02
All right, so to review that agenda. 00:36:06
I have. 00:36:09
Items for discussion. AO Business. 00:36:10
On Mission Trace covert replacements. 00:36:13
Under new business. 00:36:16
The intergovernmental agreement for. 00:36:17
Parks and Recreation operations and programming between. 00:36:19
The municipalities in the county. 00:36:22
The budget ordinance amendment. 00:36:26
For fiscal year 20. 00:36:28
26 General fund equity for the Aquatic Center repairs. 00:36:30
The resolution for the 90 day moratorium on new plan development. Item K. 00:36:36
Item L. 00:36:42
The right of way encroachment license. 00:36:43
Agreement between the city and Kraken. 00:36:45
And Item P the fourth quarter Town Hall development progress update. 00:36:49
Item R. 00:36:54
The uh. 00:36:56
Former military volunteer for the school system. 00:36:57
Discuss. So those are the. 00:36:59
Items for discussion. The rest are under consent. 00:37:02
And at this point, we will grant audience to the public, so. 00:37:04
You'd like to speak on any of these agenda items or? 00:37:09
Frankly, anything else concerning the city, please come to the podium. 00:37:12
And give us your name and your address please. 00:37:16
And good evening, Julia McCullough, 603 N St. Saint Mary's. 00:37:19
Georgia. I am a member of the Saint Mary's Historic Preservation Commission. 00:37:24
A member statue, Boyce is here as well. 00:37:29
Marvin Melvin Taylor, who is our chair, He is out of town tonight and he gave me permission to speak on behalf of the Commission. 00:37:34
I'm here specifically to speak about the encroachment license of crack and coffee. 00:37:42
I see on the City Council agenda. 00:37:47
There's a recommendation for approval of the license. I just wanted to go through a couple of the things that were on there. First 00:37:50
of all, I want to say that the idea of that is amazing. 00:37:54
I think that the city has a lot to gain by having. 00:37:59
Parklets or outside cafes, I think we there's some. 00:38:02
Some speed issues and it's not being thought out thoroughly. 00:38:07
And quickly. And I think there's some problems with safety. So umm. 00:38:10
I encourage each of you to look in your packet and there's three main areas of concern. 00:38:15
The first one. 00:38:19
A second paragraph under the history and analysis while the program was presented to the HBC on multiple. 00:38:20
Times, it was in no way ever vetted by the HPC. We've actually it's kind of been circumnavigated around us. 00:38:28
And umm, uh. 00:38:36
There were some huge concerns raised on several occasions by at least four HPC members when the city planning office spoke with us 00:38:38
regarding the right of way encroachment. And at that time it was for cracking and brackish beer. That's that was the original 00:38:42
piece. 00:38:47
And even though this is being given to us as a pilot program and it's happening inside of the historic district and we'll add 00:38:53
specific and significant design elements to the district, we were never given an application of certificate of appropriateness. 00:39:00
In the matter. So there was never a motion made for approval or denying. I just want you all to understand that piece. 00:39:08
In fact, we were told that they were not. 00:39:14
Actually seeking our approval that they were simply asking for our blessing and that was a little disturbing considering some of 00:39:17
the issues that we even have tonight about the slate walkway. 00:39:22
In the park being removed because we were not a part of that as well. So I just don't want things like that to happen without the 00:39:27
HPC being involved. 00:39:31
#2 the sidewalk cafe permit. 00:39:36
Clearly requires. 00:39:39
And number six in the packets that you have. 00:39:41
Three specific pieces to the layout plan. The first one was completed. That's the one where they show where the. 00:39:43
The I guess the tables are that there's black blocks. I assume that that's. 00:39:50
Tables. It really wasn't labeled well. 00:39:54
And however, the bulleted points two and three have not been included in the application. 00:39:56
In fact, although they are a requirement. 00:40:01
Of a completed application, the community development. 00:40:04
Department stated. 00:40:08
In the recommendations to the council, the specific and it says quote the specifications have not been completed for either item 00:40:09
and recommends the council approve the encroachment license. 00:40:15
And then collaborative efforts for design and specifications would be worked on at a later date. And it seems to me that we're 00:40:21
putting. 00:40:25
The cart before the horse. I think when we're doing a pilot program like this, we need to move slowly. 00:40:28
And all of those items need to be in place so everybody has an idea of what it should look like. 00:40:34
Before it's voted on. 00:40:39
Let's just slow down and make sure the application and the requirements have been satisfied before approving the agreement. 00:40:41
As a sidebar. 00:40:47
Proposed project is within the historic district. The HPC has been left out of the final design and you can see that in your 00:40:48
packets directly above the city managers. 00:40:54
On signature, you'll see that all of the. 00:40:59
Organizations that were originally. 00:41:01
Supposedly vetted for this. 00:41:04
The HPC has been left out of any kind of design ideas and we'd like to be included in that. 00:41:06
More specific, the site layout plan requirement for the Sidewalk Cafe permit. It's supposed to include photographs, drawings, 00:41:13
manufacturer brochures describing the appearance and materials and the dimensions of everything that are proposed furnishings. 00:41:19
Again, this requirement of the completed application and it's been recommended by the council, approve the application as is and 00:41:26
then collaboratively work on those later. And again, I think we're putting some things. 00:41:32
In the wrong order. 00:41:39
#3 The final area concern, and possibly the most important, is insurance and safety. 00:41:41
The Application requirement #5 The application requires a minimum of $500,000 general liability insurance. 00:41:47
And that the city be named as the code insured. 00:41:53
The applicant generously purchased a million dollar life insurance policy. We kind of got to ask ourselves why is. 00:41:56
Your safety and issue on Osborne St. 00:42:03
We've been having, I think we've already had conversations with the Milton case last year and. 00:42:06
I think Council has some conversations with that at one of those meetings. 00:42:10
Mayor Lockhart and council members. 00:42:15
56. 00:42:17
Feet 56 feet. 00:42:18
And thank you for some of y'all looking up at that. 00:42:22
That's how long it would take a car. 00:42:24
Traveling 25 miles an hour on Osborne St. to stop. 00:42:26
25. 00:42:30
MPH 56 feet, the Historic Preservation Commission has suggested. 00:42:31
That the right of way encroachment actually be turned on the corner of Stable Alley Rd. where there's two parallel. 00:42:37
Parking spots. 00:42:43
That. 00:42:45
These two spaces along with the sidewalk would result in the same seating area, but would keep the city seating area off of 00:42:46
Osborne St. as we all know. 00:42:51
It's had its fair share of high speed incidents and accidents. 00:42:56
The license agreement should be tabled tonight. 00:43:00
Because the application is incomplete. 00:43:03
Because the HPC has been left off of the collaborative efforts in the design specifications. 00:43:05
And because there could be safer alternatives to. 00:43:11
To achieve the same exact outcome. 00:43:13
Thank you. 00:43:16
For your thoughts on that. 00:43:17
Thank you. 00:43:19
Roger Shaw, 30 Maramont Court, St. Marys, GA. 00:43:27
I have a few things here I want to. 00:43:30
Discuss. I don't know if I need to borrow. 00:43:32
Mr. Burch, Mr. Bert's egg timer. 00:43:34
Or I'll rely on the mayor to give me the high sign when I start running out of time. 00:43:37
Anyway, I know I'm beating a dead horse talking about that traffic roundabout. 00:43:42
If I have a daughter, that's on the zoning committee. 00:43:46
And Kingsland. 00:43:48
And when they improved? 00:43:49
State Route 40. 00:43:51
Let me state route 40. 00:43:54
Out to five corners. 00:43:57
They want to put a roundabout in there. 00:43:59
The city voted it down. 00:44:02
And So what do they have traffic lights in there? 00:44:04
OK, I I lived in New York City in the late 60s and early 70s for 2 1/2 years and I was stationary on Governors Island. 00:44:06
I don't know if anybody's been in there, been around Columbus Circle. 00:44:13
OK, Columbus Circle was always a gigantic headache. 00:44:17
It was crazy. 00:44:20
Go to Google Earth today. 00:44:21
And look at the earth view. 00:44:23
Traffic cameras all around that. 00:44:25
I mean. 00:44:26
Traffic lights all around that. 00:44:27
That area. 00:44:29
The other thing is. 00:44:31
You know, it's got the situation here if Saint Mary's can't get things done with the state. 00:44:32
And we have two Republican. 00:44:37
Representatives of this area. 00:44:39
And can't get anything done. 00:44:41
Maybe it's time to get other people in there. 00:44:43
Because, as the Chinese say, it's not whether the cat is black or white, it's whether it catches the mouse. 00:44:46
You know, obviously not catching the mouse. 00:44:51
The other thing was the Jacobi project. 00:44:54
That they were trying to get that thing and it got. 00:44:56
Held up, uh. 00:44:58
Because they could not get an archaeological permit. 00:44:59
To excavate, To trash. 00:45:02
And Mr. Jones said. 00:45:05
Was existing there. 00:45:06
And that went on and on and on. 00:45:08
And Mr. Horton had gone to the state and they said if you come back to us one more time, you can just forget about. 00:45:10
So this thing continued on. They're paying off the bond. 00:45:15
The backer said this is ridiculous and left. 00:45:19
Jacoby went. 00:45:21
Bankrupt on that. 00:45:23
So. 00:45:24
That was a TAD. 00:45:26
One of our. 00:45:28
Tax allocation districts. 00:45:28
And what happens is Monisha, who's paying that all? 00:45:31
So that the city of Saint Mary's and the. 00:45:33
Joint development agency. 00:45:36
When the city state marriage, that means us. 00:45:38
County, US. 00:45:40
Are paying that off. 00:45:42
OK, next thing. 00:45:43
Is talking about this new City Hall? 00:45:46
Where we talked, all you council members have talked about we're building more and more and. 00:45:49
Saint Mary's is building and all this stuff is going on. 00:45:53
So what do you folks do? 00:45:56
To cut the budget down on new City Hall. 00:45:59
You reduce the size of planning. 00:46:02
Now I only have a bachelor's degree, so I'm not. 00:46:05
One of the academic intelligentsia. 00:46:08
But that seems. 00:46:11
Pretty counterproductive to me. 00:46:12
So you go down the road, now what are you going to have to do? 00:46:13
You're gonna have to figure out how to expand that planning department after you've cut it down. 00:46:16
Every time. 00:46:20
I have been on a job. I did this for 37 years. 00:46:22
When we had the project set up and people said, oh Jesus, so much, let's cut here, let's cut here, let's cut here, let's cut 00:46:25
there. 00:46:28
We started cutting it as we got into the job, started things tearing apart. Things start coming together and they start looking at 00:46:32
this and start going, yeah, yeah, maybe we put should have put. 00:46:36
In all those sliding glass doors for where this big deck is going to go in there down the road. 00:46:40
Well, as soon as they start doing this. 00:46:46
Then what happens? 00:46:48
Your whole project falls apart. 00:46:50
Your critical timelines fall apart. 00:46:53
Your subcontractors. 00:46:55
Times fall apart. 00:46:57
You have to order material that sometimes they have to be custom. 00:46:59
Take four or five weeks to get. 00:47:03
So guess what? 00:47:04
When they come back and doing this. 00:47:05
This costs about 20% more and also. 00:47:07
It increases the completion time. In California you have to have a completion date. 00:47:10
So I put down on my change orders complete state, completion state, completion date, complete state. 00:47:14
I had one guy come up to me and said you were supposed to be out of here March 4th. 00:47:18
And it's March 7th. What's going on? 00:47:21
So I open the contract up, went through there. 00:47:24
Well, here's here's the change orders. 00:47:26
So I looked at changes and said here's days, here's days, here's days, here's date. 00:47:31
I picked up my bag, start walking out there, he says. Where are you going? 00:47:35
I said I'm going Salem. We got more 15 days ahead of schedule. 00:47:38
He never had a problem with him again. 00:47:42
OK, so anyway I don't understand this. 00:47:44
Next thing, change orders. We just kind of got into the change order thing. 00:47:47
That here you were on this culvert situation. 00:47:51
Well, the guy wants to put in a change order and you say absolutely not. 00:47:54
Now Councilman Connors had asked the gentleman from the city. 00:47:58
Up here. 00:48:03
How would you know? 00:48:04
What that culvert had to be? 00:48:06
And he said you had to tear up the street. 00:48:08
Now if I had a job. 00:48:10
That I had to do forensic deconstruction. 00:48:12
To figure out what's in there. 00:48:15
To do my due diligence. 00:48:17
You're paying for it. 00:48:20
OK. And if I got into a job? 00:48:21
And because. 00:48:24
The customer. 00:48:26
And his architect? 00:48:27
For whomever they had the designer. 00:48:29
Said OK, we want to run this 10 inch ducting for this huge fan that's going outside in this kitchen. 00:48:32
And I say, well, did you got to check everything up in the ceiling to make sure it goes? They said, well, there's a. 00:48:37
A Bay that goes all the way over there. 00:48:42
OK, great. 00:48:44
We put it in, bid it this way and I said. 00:48:45
Depends on what we find when you open it up. 00:48:47
We open it up. They had remodeled the bathroom upstairs, put a big header across there, but. 00:48:49
OK, big problem. 00:48:53
I'd be damned if they said. 00:48:55
And they said we're not paying for a change order. 00:48:57
On a pack of my bags. 00:49:00
I would have filed A lien against their property and filed suit. 00:49:02
Right away, right now, I wouldn't hesitate one instant. 00:49:05
So I don't know but. 00:49:08
The contracting. 00:49:09
Community is very small. 00:49:11
And you folks do that stuff, you're going to get a red flag next to your. 00:49:14
Name and when? 00:49:17
You get put out bids. 00:49:20
They're going to look at that. 00:49:21
Forget it's not worth it. 00:49:23
And if you do get somebody to submit a bid? 00:49:24
It is going to be 75 to 100% higher. 00:49:28
To cover this stuff. 00:49:32
Now go back a little bit when they had the. 00:49:34
Building the kitchen for. 00:49:36
Make sure my time. 00:49:38
OK, fine. OK, OK, thank. 00:49:39
Thank you. You're supposed to. You're supposed to. 00:49:42
You're supposed to. You were on a roll. I was trying to let you finish up, but. 00:49:44
Ken Jelly 102 Salt grass Trace here in Saint Mary's. 00:49:52
I wanted to talk just a little bit about. 00:49:56
The pilot program for. 00:49:58
Sidewalk dining. 00:50:01
And certainly I appreciate all the comments from the HPC representative. 00:50:02
There this is a pilot program. 00:50:09
And uh. 00:50:12
With any new program, there's going to become. 00:50:13
All kinds of surprises and questions and. 00:50:18
What ifs and. 00:50:22
And that's to be expected. 00:50:23
And and that's good that that is done because the last thing anybody wants is a pilot program that's going to fail. 00:50:25
So we want it to be successful, of course. 00:50:32
So I'm going to go back a little bit. 00:50:35
To tell you about a story. 00:50:38
In 1949, when I was old enough for my mother to take me downtown. 00:50:43
In Nashua, NH. 00:50:48
And what an experience that was walking down the sidewalk in this big city and looking around and. 00:50:50
And my mother said we're going to stop at Martha's Sweet Shop or Martha's Sweet Shop was a very small business. 00:50:57
Family owned and they made their own ice cream. 00:51:03
And then you could buy. 00:51:06
Very exotic nuts there. They would import Brazil nuts and pistachios and so on and so forth. 00:51:08
The ice cream was delicious, but what I really remember about that is there were three tables outside of Martha's sweet shop. 00:51:16
Where people were sitting. 00:51:23
And enjoying their ice cream on that hot day. 00:51:24
And uh. 00:51:27
The next time I went to Martha's sweet shop, they had some umbrellas. There was sort of shade, the folks and. 00:51:28
And then maybe couple of years later they they had an awning and that more tables. 00:51:33
And then the next thing I know, the sidewalk got widened. 00:51:39
And now there's a whole bunch of tables and. 00:51:42
Pedestrians coming back and forth were just walking by saying hello, hello, how are you? 00:51:46
And uh. 00:51:51
Before you know it. 00:51:52
You had a reservation list that you had to sign up on. 00:51:53
In order to be able to get a seat. 00:51:57
At Martha's Sweet Shop. 00:52:00
For that sidewalk dining. 00:52:01
Eventually. 00:52:03
Grew. You could buy sandwiches and so on and so forth. 00:52:04
But. 00:52:08
That all said. 00:52:09
To get to that point required. 00:52:11
Close looks at a lot of different factors. 00:52:14
And in some adjustments as things move forward. So I think it's a wonderful pilot program. I think it's. 00:52:17
A great initiative on on everyone's part that's involved. 00:52:25
And I really, really look forward to seeing something like that come to fruition. 00:52:28
As a pilot program and if works out real well. 00:52:34
I've I've seen it in a lot of other large cities. 00:52:37
Of course, it was on a much larger scale as well. 00:52:40
Safety is an issue, absolutely. 00:52:43
Removable bollards that you stick in the ground, maybe that big around. 00:52:46
And things like that. So I think it's a very doable plan. 00:52:52
And everybody that's involved in it and trying to move it forward, I applaud them. 00:52:56
Thank you very much. 00:53:00
November 1949. 00:53:04
Good evening, Nick Harris, 102 Hamlet Circle. 00:53:10
I think I've exhausted myself. 00:53:13
Through different agencies within the city. So now I'm coming to ask you all for help. 00:53:16
In a collective solution because any problem? 00:53:21
Definitely has a solution, but. 00:53:24
As I've gone through the different departments. 00:53:26
Everybody's. 00:53:29
You know, compartmentalize and they have a different opinion. 00:53:31
And my wife and I own farm to family. 00:53:35
And we've been doing well but the last month. 00:53:37
Since school started. 00:53:42
I'm looking at our numbers and they're dwindling significantly and it's about. 00:53:43
Parking and I've been to Bill Gross. 00:53:48
Who we own. 00:53:52
I've been to the Police Department for. 00:53:53
And talk to them. 00:53:55
I've personally been over across the street. The cost? 00:53:56
To talk to the principal. 00:53:59
I've talked to Candace and her crew. 00:54:01
And I've spoken to the city planner. 00:54:03
And I've even addressed it. 00:54:06
With Councilwoman. 00:54:07
King and we haven't come up with a solution. 00:54:09
But there's always. 00:54:12
We're losing business. 00:54:13
Because families are too freaking lazy. 00:54:15
To use the back parking lot of that school every day. 00:54:18
You go camp out there tomorrow. 00:54:22
That parking lot is empty. 00:54:24
However, everybody wants to park. 00:54:26
In the three or four spots in front of our store. 00:54:30
So when we have a lot of. 00:54:33
Senior citizens or people with disabilities. 00:54:35
So when they walk by. 00:54:38
In those four. 00:54:40
Parking spots are taken up. 00:54:41
They keep going. 00:54:43
We're losing money. 00:54:44
Because of what the principle? 00:54:46
Won't do. 00:54:49
The solution is we either put some decorative things and I know. 00:54:50
The state has a jaywalking. 00:54:54
Law, but I'm not sure. 00:54:57
We do, and the state requires everybody to use a crosswalk. 00:54:59
Which would mean everybody's got a walk. 00:55:04
A significant amount. 00:55:06
To get to the school door. 00:55:07
Somebody in Councilwoman? 00:55:09
King can justify this because I think it happened to her if you watch those families. 00:55:12
Mom is getting a. 00:55:18
Teeny little one out of the car seat. 00:55:19
And the other kids have already. 00:55:22
Come out of the car, she doesn't have control and they darted out. 00:55:24
Into the street. 00:55:27
She almost hit. 00:55:29
One of those kids. 00:55:30
Why are we gonna wait? 00:55:31
To do something. 00:55:33
After somebody's injured. 00:55:34
Or they're not paying attention. 00:55:36
In the door. 00:55:38
Opens and the kids getting out of the car. 00:55:39
And they sideswipe the car. 00:55:41
A solution over several. 00:55:43
We either put something, we enforce A jaywalking thing where everybody. 00:55:45
He's got to go to the crosswalk, which is going to be hard to do. 00:55:50
Because right there we've got. 00:55:53
Two police people. 00:55:56
Monitoring the traffic. 00:55:59
To walk people across the street, but they're not paying any attention. 00:56:01
To the people darting out. 00:56:05
Across the street. 00:56:06
2 would be to put some kind of. 00:56:08
Flower beds or something in those four spaces. 00:56:10
Or it's not going to be convenient to dart across. 00:56:14
When talking to the chief people. 00:56:17
Coming in here tonight. 00:56:19
I'm asking the city. 00:56:21
We say we're a city of one. We say we want. 00:56:23
Small businesses right now, the way it's structured. 00:56:26
A new small business is losing money. 00:56:29
Because there's no parking. 00:56:32
With the grunters. 00:56:35
The parking on the. 00:56:36
When you go into their parking lot, that whole side. 00:56:38
Is designated for the people that are. 00:56:41
I'm renting their VR Vos. 00:56:43
The first two or three going in on the right. 00:56:45
Or handicap accessible so it leaves you maybe? 00:56:48
Four in the parking lot and then the rest. 00:56:51
Have to go. 00:56:55
Behind in the alley there. 00:56:56
How about the city? 00:57:00
Give farm to family. 00:57:02
3 or 4 spaces right in front of our store. 00:57:04
And they put a time limit sign there. 00:57:08
Between, you know, you got 20 minutes. 00:57:10
For 30 minutes. 00:57:13
The park between these two signs because. 00:57:14
People aren't coming in to farm the family to camp out. 00:57:17
They're coming in. 00:57:20
To get their stuff. 00:57:21
And they're moving out. 00:57:23
Max is probably 15, maybe 20. 00:57:24
So between 4:00. 00:57:27
Parking. 00:57:29
Maybe parking limit signs 30 minutes only. 00:57:30
Between these two signs. 00:57:34
And we start enforcing that, but we can't. 00:57:36
Continue just to say well. 00:57:39
That's just the way it is, especially. 00:57:41
When we've got a parking lot at that school. 00:57:44
It's Plumb but empty. 00:57:47
Because people are just too freaking lazy. 00:57:49
Because I'm thinking if you got to go from the parking lot. 00:57:52
It's, you know, not a big trek. 00:57:55
But you're trekking in it, and even teachers, they come. 00:57:58
During the day in this past week. 00:58:01
This is no joke. 00:58:04
From the time that bell rang. 00:58:05
To the time that bill ended. 00:58:08
Teachers took. 00:58:10
Every parking spot. 00:58:11
On that whole block. 00:58:13
It's just not fair. 00:58:15
We can't do it. I think there's every other business. 00:58:16
In the city. 00:58:19
Has ample parking right in front of their store. 00:58:20
We shouldn't be. 00:58:24
The only sole entity and we are losing. 00:58:26
Money. 00:58:29
Because of the lack of parking. 00:58:30
When there's a valuable parking. 00:58:33
For the people. 00:58:35
That are taking it. So we need a solution from the city and. 00:58:37
Since I've brought it to everybody's attention. 00:58:41
Until we get it fixed, I'm just going to be that. 00:58:43
Voice of soreness. 00:58:46
Until we come to some things because we cannot afford. 00:58:48
To keep losing. 00:58:51
30 to 40%. 00:58:53
Profit to keep our doors open. 00:58:55
In Everybody's wanting us to be here. 00:58:58
Thank you. 00:59:01
Thank you. 00:59:02
Councilman. Mayor. 00:59:19
Shirley Sessions on 14 Boston Court I got. 00:59:21
A few things I want to mention. 00:59:25
I see the trailing still up there by the railroad track. I don't think y'all ever looked in that on that. 00:59:27
You know that. 00:59:32
Paint trail out there. I told you how to look for it. 00:59:33
Also, I wanted to actually, with Saint Mary's, got so much going on, so much of building the housing and all the things, which is 00:59:37
wonderful. 00:59:41
But had anybody thought about the impact of this going to have on the schools with the new? 00:59:46
Homes and residents coming into Saint Mary's. I just wanted to. 00:59:51
To ask about that. 00:59:55
And also. 00:59:57
Impact on the Police Department to more areas to cover. 01:00:00
And I want to thank. 01:00:03
Chief. The chief Galloway. 01:00:04
For keeping me from going to jail the other day. 01:00:07
We got some kids, that is. 01:00:11
Terrorizing the area and. 01:00:14
Smart Miles, I'm old school. 01:00:18
And I tell y'all. 01:00:22
I had to call him. 01:00:24
And I didn't mean to interrupt his hunting trip, but. 01:00:25
To keep me from going to jail. He did help me out because I was going out there to grab those kids and I want to thank him for 01:00:28
helping helping me on that. This is a serious matter. Y'all just don't every day we go through something. 01:00:34
And also. 01:00:41
I want to ask you all. 01:00:42
The bicycles that. 01:00:46
On the road. 01:00:49
Do the bicycle supposed to be going along with the traffic? 01:00:51
Or do they call to be? 01:00:54
Facing the traffic because I almost hit somebody that was coming, I had to look. 01:00:55
Because they was coming at me and I'm so used to traffic. 01:00:59
And bicycles doing the same. 01:01:03
Direction. 01:01:05
Is that a law here that you have to go the same direction and put some lights on your bikes? 01:01:07
Going the same direction it has. It scared me the other night when I almost hit this guy. 01:01:13
I almost hit him because he was coming after me instead of flooring with me. 01:01:19
So I think that you need to really look into that before someone gets, you know. 01:01:22
Knocked over in a ditch on these bicycles and they don't have lights on them. 01:01:27
Anything, uh. 01:01:32
Like that? 01:01:33
And another thing. 01:01:35
Starwalks. Do y'all have any intention of putting sidewalk? 01:01:36
Down Chlorine Road and down Kings Bay Rd. Go through Walmart. 01:01:40
All of that because another thing I guy was walking. 01:01:46
And you couldn't even hollow see it. You couldn't see really until you was on him. And he will flock it right there on the edge of 01:01:50
the road. 01:01:53
Right down the edge and I wanted to know are y'all considering in the sidewalks that will help? 01:01:57
Predestined people walking. There's a store. 01:02:03
In those area, please look in that. 01:02:06
Look at that. 01:02:09
And, umm. 01:02:10
See about correcting that for me please. 01:02:12
And also the outside restaurants and. 01:02:14
I like them. I tell you. I live in Spain and that's all you had outside you go to. 01:02:18
And and everything was outside restaurants outside. So those are pretty, that's a pretty good idea. 01:02:22
If you all. 01:02:27
Do it right. 01:02:30
So it's a good idea. I like that. 01:02:32
And I think. 01:02:34
That's about it. 01:02:37
Yeah, that's it. Thank you. 01:02:40
The city manager and I had a conversation about it this morning, Sir, so. 01:02:47
Michael Wilson, 203 E Hall St. Saint Mary's. 01:02:51
My concerns are. 01:02:56
The distance from. 01:02:58
The railroad tracks. 01:03:00
The east side of Osborne. 01:03:02
That's where the water flow. 01:03:04
And I challenge you. 01:03:06
To take a ride. 01:03:08
And see how many ditches. 01:03:10
Are working the last time I complained about it. 01:03:11
They send me to the roads department. 01:03:15
And I got the idea told me. 01:03:17
They don't do that kind of work. They haven't done that kind of work. 01:03:19
Buddy Barnes died. 01:03:23
OK, for example. 01:03:25
The other day you had the guy at the bushel. 01:03:27
Cleaning out the boat ramp where you can see. 01:03:30
That was beautiful. 01:03:33
Because we got kids that ride bikes there. 01:03:34
And it's hard to see. 01:03:37
But I asked a guy. 01:03:38
It's a ditch. 01:03:40
That's put on the corner. 01:03:42
Of 1000 N St. 01:03:44
That belongs to my mom. 01:03:46
And she was complaining about the ditch. 01:03:48
But at that time, I was working in just about living in Jacksonville. 01:03:51
And when I looked at the disc the other day, I went to the city Wilko. 01:03:55
And he told me, he said, Mr. I guarantee you I look at it. 01:04:00
But we didn't dig that ***** he said the city gave. 01:04:03
The contractor that build those. 01:04:07
Duplex homes. 01:04:09
Their permission to put the ditch there. 01:04:11
Now, I grew up as a kid. 01:04:14
I'm 71 years old and I never seen the ditch there. 01:04:15
And I know people raised candy about it. 01:04:19
But nothing was done. 01:04:21
So when he told me, he said, I promise you. 01:04:23
That I'm gonna. 01:04:25
I'm gonna take this bushel. 01:04:26
And I'll clear that ditch for you. 01:04:28
No sooner than I got in the house. 01:04:31
He was gone. 01:04:33
So I'm challenging. 01:04:34
That the last time a hurricane came up the East Coast. 01:04:36
It was 6 men in my neighborhood. 01:04:41
That went along with the shovels doing the. 01:04:43
13 and dugout *******. 01:04:45
That ain't going to work no more. 01:04:48
Three of those men are already gone. 01:04:51
And if you think I'm joking, just take a ride. Get in your golf carts, ride. 01:04:54
And check and see how many of those. 01:04:58
Would work if we got into everything. 01:05:01
Today. Thank you. 01:05:03
Good evening. Sean Myers, 817 Riverview Dr. West also. 01:05:12
Like Mr. Ken Jelly, I want to lend my support also for the. 01:05:17
Hacking and the stations that were setting up there. 01:05:22
For patrons and restaurants. 01:05:26
I think that's a very good idea. 01:05:28
We've worked hard on. I also work with the development authority. 01:05:30
And we worked hard with putting together. 01:05:34
The grant program to support that. 01:05:37
So I am in full support of that, but I also acknowledge what was stated here on today and again. 01:05:39
I don't know exactly. 01:05:45
I'm assuming she got up here in the exactness of that. So one things I would say is this. 01:05:46
At work, we say work at the speed of compliance. 01:05:51
She brought up a lot of things here. They are in full support of cracking. 01:05:54
But also, say, work at the speed of compliance. 01:05:59
So again, I can't tell you what that means. 01:06:02
But obviously she put out some information here today. 01:06:05
So just ask that you simply evaluate that. 01:06:07
And also the gentleman was speaking early about the. 01:06:10
Situation, he was talking about that and I think I talked with. 01:06:13
Councilman Jones about this. 01:06:17
Before as well. 01:06:20
That particular situation I was explaining a couple of weeks ago again. 01:06:21
My background is civil engineering. 01:06:24
Wrote a lot of contracts, scope of works and stuff like that. 01:06:27
And when we have typically give someone a drawing. 01:06:30
And they are to go and. 01:06:34
Do whatever work that is. 01:06:38
One of the things that we always put in there. 01:06:40
If we give you a drawing, we. 01:06:42
We are responsible for it. 01:06:44
But we would put a note in that it says. 01:06:46
The contractor is responsible for field verification. 01:06:48
All dimensions. 01:06:52
When you do that. 01:06:53
That eliminates a change order. 01:06:55
Because. 01:06:57
If the contract he has an option, at that point he or she has an option. 01:06:58
They can either accept. 01:07:02
The drawings as you provided them. 01:07:04
And if they do, and if they go off and bid everything based upon that? 01:07:07
Then they also accept the risk and if they find something. 01:07:11
Guess what they can't do? They can't come back to the city. 01:07:14
Because they are responsible for field verification. 01:07:17
So that's one way. 01:07:20
Again, I didn't. 01:07:22
Obviously I didn't see the drawings of scope work or anything. 01:07:23
That's one of the things that we used to do when it comes to working with. 01:07:26
Existing structures. 01:07:29
A simple note like the contractors responsible for. 01:07:30
Field verification of drawings. 01:07:33
It'll save your life. 01:07:35
In the end, so. 01:07:37
Thank you. Thank you. 01:07:38
My name is Chloe Claflin and I'm here to represent Cracking Coffee and Kitchen Company at 122 Osborne St. 01:07:49
I know there's been some discussion and Julie? 01:07:56
Brought up some different things. 01:07:58
Tonight is just for the approval of the approach. 01:08:01
To move on with the process of actually. 01:08:05
And all of that comes back to the cafe per minute. 01:08:09
So we can't move forward. 01:08:12
We the the steps that Jamies taking is just to do the approachment to say, hey, it's OK. 01:08:14
And then we come back and then we bring our design to the DA. 01:08:19
SM The DDA, the Historical Society. 01:08:23
To address the insurance. 01:08:27
That's just our standard insurance. 01:08:29
There was nothing. 01:08:31
Extra added. 01:08:32
That was just our standard insurance that we did. We added the Saint Mary's. 01:08:34
City of Saint Mary's as we were asked. 01:08:38
We're just following. 01:08:41
What Jamie wants us to do. 01:08:43
We, we, we're, we're just trying to be in compliance. 01:08:48
And we don't want to upset anybody and we don't want to do any of that. 01:08:51
So that's one reason this process, I think we started this back in January. 01:08:54
And she just. 01:08:58
Sees it as getting to the part of the approachment so that we can move to the cafe. 01:09:00
Which comes to the. 01:09:05
The design. 01:09:06
We do have some designs out there where we're not interrupting the streets. 01:09:07
We use planter boxes with fences that come apart. 01:09:11
The planner boxes are weighed down with water. 01:09:15
So that we could remove them during the hurricane season. 01:09:17
So we put. 01:09:20
They wanted him at 3 foot. 01:09:22
So a two by two square foot box. 01:09:24
Holds 8 cubic feet of water. 01:09:27
Which equals 60 gallons of water, which equals £600. 01:09:30
So each one of the flower boxes that are on the six foot spans to make the 26. 01:09:34
To make the 12:00. 01:09:40
Each one of those will weigh 600 lbs. 01:09:42
So if somebody was to actually hit. 01:09:44
The planner box. 01:09:47
It's not going to move. 01:09:48
But when we go to remove them for the hurricane. 01:09:49
We can drain the water out of the bottom. 01:09:52
Or outlook than £600. We're loading them on a trailer. 01:09:54
And we could take them apart. There is no obstruction to the street. 01:09:56
There's nothing that we're doing to damage the street. 01:10:00
Any of those things there? 01:10:02
We're not trying to leave anybody out. 01:10:04
Of the design. 01:10:05
We've come up with. 01:10:07
Mr. Jelly and that board. 01:10:09
On trying to design, that's kind of how we got the diagram that you guys seen earlier today. 01:10:12
With the 20 feet, that was their design. 01:10:16
We're just doing what everybody. 01:10:19
Is asking us to do so. 01:10:21
I think it'd be great. 01:10:23
For the city. 01:10:25
Pray for us, but I think it brings. 01:10:27
More people downtown. 01:10:29
And something to enjoy so. 01:10:31
There's any other questions later? 01:10:33
Let me know but. 01:10:34
Not to upset anybody, but we're. 01:10:36
That's the that's the step game he wanted to go was with. 01:10:38
Getting the approachment. 01:10:41
Approved. 01:10:42
And then we go to the cafe permit. 01:10:43
Which is the design. 01:10:45
So even after tonight, if we get the approachment approved, we can't move forward. 01:10:47
Until the cafe permit comes in front of cancel. 01:10:51
Thank you. 01:10:54
Thank you. 01:10:55
Bird seals, 816 Riverview Dr. 01:11:03
On the Scrubby Bluff Rd. 01:11:12
Went from 17 heading back. 01:11:16
Towards Saint Mary's. 01:11:18
Would be nice. We put a. 01:11:20
A sign to see you. 01:11:22
Welcome to Saint Mary's. 01:11:24
You know, just like when you leave an order Scrubbing bluff on simmering now. 01:11:26
You see? 01:11:30
Welcome to Kingsland. 01:11:32
We need to probably put one over there. 01:11:34
To ensure that that you are in Saint Mary's before you get to the pilot. 01:11:36
Shop audio because we just nowhere we can. 01:11:40
Very, you know, so I think we need to look at. 01:11:43
There was some activity on Friday. Man, I didn't even know where. 01:11:51
That a Tribune. 01:11:54
And it was a good. 01:11:56
Good activity, very well enough. 01:11:57
Trucks, you know, And as a matter of fact, there's one. 01:12:00
I normally frequent is the guy. 01:12:03
Lobster. 01:12:07
And he was there. 01:12:08
You know, I didn't know there was anything happening back. 01:12:09
Back then. 01:12:11
So look went back and look at the tribunal to see if there's anything that advertised. I didn't see anything, so maybe I missed 01:12:12
something. 01:12:15
I want to throw it out there. 01:12:19
One of the things that. 01:12:22
Uh, Moon? 01:12:24
The Moors over there on Saint Mary's Road. 01:12:27
You know these guys. 01:12:30
I think I got one. One more, one more. 01:12:32
And he goes up. 01:12:35
And down, up and down. 01:12:36
Maybe I'm missing something here? 01:12:39
Couple guys come and join them later on. 01:12:41
Because I'm not there watching him. 01:12:43
But it seems as though. 01:12:45
I frequent that road because I go onto the video down. 01:12:47
Jacksonville. 01:12:50
I'm looking at, I said what what's happening here is. 01:12:51
I didn't mowing a little bit. One, one man, one more, one more at a time. 01:12:55
You need more than one more. 01:12:59
Time he rolling down that street and that's all. 01:13:00
When we come into Saint Mary's, that's a place that we need to see looking good. 01:13:03
Some of the stuff was covered. 01:13:12
I want to move on to. 01:13:14
Abstentions. 01:13:20
You know I have a problem with. 01:13:22
I know you know when you guys I'm staying. 01:13:25
You know, no questions asked. You know, I mean, I guess you're free to go back. 01:13:29
There's nothing in the book said that you can't abstain. 01:13:33
But I got a problem with that. 01:13:36
You know what I mean? You know I'm staying as declined to vote. 01:13:38
Either for or against the proposal. 01:13:42
Or motion. 01:13:44
You know either you are undecided. Disagree. 01:13:47
With or all options or want to remain neutral? 01:13:50
Is this thing neutral? 01:13:54
I have a problem with that. 01:13:57
You know and. 01:13:59
I like her, Mr. Ingram. 01:14:01
Congressman Ingram. 01:14:04
You know when you guys had a vote? 01:14:05
In reference to do I think with Chevrolet and you know the. 01:14:07
Pushes under cars. 01:14:11
And he abstained. 01:14:12
I fully understood that. 01:14:13
You know he mentioned that. 01:14:15
You see, because he works for the companies. 01:14:17
That's a good. 01:14:20
Way of looking at things. 01:14:22
But folks who just abstaining. 01:14:24
And he gave me a reason. 01:14:26
You know, I mean not, you know, I think. 01:14:28
If you guys you get the same package. 01:14:30
Like everybody else. 01:14:33
You know, if you're too short. 01:14:34
Call on another council member. Hey man, we got. 01:14:36
Tell me about this. Tell me about that. 01:14:39
I'm just kind of letting you guys find a way to get out. 01:14:40
You know, I mean so. 01:14:44
We understand. 01:14:45
I'm like, uh. 01:14:47
This don't make no sense. 01:14:49
You should have said you need to let me know why you abstain it. 01:14:51
Ask God for all you. 01:14:55
All six. And if you're all going to feed it, you don't have to. 01:14:57
Make an explanation. 01:15:00
I think about that. 01:15:03
You know, so let's keep that in mind. 01:15:04
Conflict of interest. I know the big thing. Conflict of interest. 01:15:06
If you have a conflict of interest. 01:15:09
Your support? I would yes, I would stay. 01:15:11
Don't vote. 01:15:14
You know, that's all I gotta say. Thank you. 01:15:15
Thank you, Mr. 01:15:19
Larry White, 102 Sylvia's Court. 01:15:32
I'll make this short. 01:15:34
I just want to talk about. 01:15:37
Are using retired personnel, military personnel. 01:15:39
To patrol the schools. 01:15:43
In Saint Mary's. 01:15:45
When you discuss this, I would like you to explain. 01:15:47
What these people are supposed to do? 01:15:51
And then they just walk around the schools. 01:15:53
Do they have any authority? 01:15:55
Are they part of the Police Department? 01:15:57
Just explain that please. 01:15:59
Because I like to know take. 01:16:01
That's a record. 01:16:06
There. 01:16:07
Yeah, I just got three things tonight. First, last meeting, I was really taken aback by the fact that council disapproved the 01:16:12
change order. 01:16:15
Out there at Mission Trace. 01:16:20
My background, I spent 10 years chief of contracting for the National Park Service, overseeing contracts in seven states, the 01:16:23
Caribbean 65 financial park, spending millions of dollars a year and doing lots of change orders. 01:16:28
And like he said. 01:16:35
If you try the no change order policy. 01:16:38
Then you're going to get. 01:16:41
No bids. 01:16:42
Or inflated bids. 01:16:43
On your contracts. 01:16:45
And like. 01:16:46
What John said was like. 01:16:48
You put that statement in there that you've got to go out there and verify all the stuff. 01:16:50
But some things you can't verify. 01:16:54
Like opening up that building and finding that stuff. So you're still going to have change. 01:16:56
And I don't think that was a real good example to. 01:17:01
Put a stake in the ground. No change orders because that one's necessary. 01:17:03
And you should have approved that. 01:17:08
But it you know so. 01:17:10
What worries me is. 01:17:14
A position where we're not going to. 01:17:16
Or won't change order, so we don't get change orders. Then what you got is what he said. 01:17:17
Inflated bids, No bid. 01:17:22
Change orders is the way of life and it's a way of getting the best product. 01:17:24
For the taxpayers. 01:17:27
So you need to do. 01:17:28
The change orders. 01:17:30
Second, I was researching Splash because I'm worried about where those millions of dollars that the county got. 01:17:31
Is going and I love that splash 8-7 years ago. 01:17:37
And then there, so we were going to build restrooms at New Street boat ramp. 01:17:41
We're still going to do that. 01:17:45
Spy state. 01:17:48
What are we going to do? 01:17:51
With that money? 01:17:53
Because when splash, you're supposed to say what you're going to do up front and then do what you said and then publicize what you 01:17:55
did. 01:17:58
But anyway, it said that right there in 8. 01:18:02
So the second thing is we got a $350,000 grant. 01:18:06
From the state. 01:18:11
And called tag 2 trees across Georgia and then that. 01:18:14
Is money to hire a certified office for the city? 01:18:17
Only the money disappears after two years and we're on the hook for $100,000 salary. A new vehicle in an office for a person 01:18:20
riding around. 01:18:24
That we can get done on an as needed basis through a contract with an arborist. So do not hire. 01:18:28
Arborist and pay him with city money. 01:18:33
Please. 01:18:36
Hello Mayor. Hello, Council. My name is Bill Lawrence. I live in 325 Osprey Circle in Saint Mary's. 01:18:44
And I'm standing tonight because I want to support. 01:18:49
A very important issue that was brought up tonight, farm to family. 01:18:53
Truly does have an issue. 01:18:57
And I don't want to. 01:18:59
Just be one voice. Certainly, Nick. 01:19:01
Big voice, but I'd like to add to it. 01:19:05
And say that if we're going to support our. 01:19:07
Businesses here in, in, in town and we definitely have to look at how people are going to access these businesses and and that's 01:19:09
one area that I noticed that it's a safety hazard. 01:19:15
I've had to stop for people. We go, we. 01:19:21
Go by there every day in the morning. 01:19:24
And we have to stop for those kids, which is awesome. We do. 01:19:25
We all do. We all know it, we all see it. But I don't think it needs to be that way. 01:19:28
So I would like to. 01:19:32
Just put another word in to support former family and Kim. 01:19:34
And Nick, so thank you. 01:19:38
Anyone else? 01:19:51
You know, coming up again. Are you leaving? 01:19:58
All right. 01:20:02
All right, we'll. 01:20:04
Our audience to public session. 01:20:06
OK. 01:20:14
Real. I already know I'll make it. 01:20:15
Franziel, Daniel. 74 Rd. away. Saint Mary. 01:20:19
I like to go ahead and thank. 01:20:23
All the. 01:20:25
Efforts that you guys have been going to help out coming in Oaks in the Pines. 01:20:26
On behalf of the citizens of those residents. 01:20:31
Thank y'all. 01:20:35
Because, umm, uh. 01:20:36
Well, we understand. We understand is that there's a housing crisis right now. 01:20:37
And understanding that we fix our housing crisis, you also increase or should say decrease the crime in our area. 01:20:40
Which can increase property value. So there's a lot of there's a lot of things that. 01:20:47
That we that we can take, that we take for granted when it comes to fixing these situations. 01:20:51
And I would like to also. 01:20:56
Hopefully invite you guys to stay out in those communities because if you the more you stay out there, the less those things. 01:20:58
Develop, the less those problems fester. 01:21:04
So that's why I was out here today because there's a lot of things that I wanted to get out my chest and. 01:21:07
And I'm thanking y'all for everything that you guys have been doing out there, and I hope you continue to stay out in those areas. 01:21:13
And maintain communication with them because now they see that they can't communicate with their leadership. 01:21:19
And before it was a closed door, so we've also. 01:21:24
Be breach those those barriers and now. 01:21:27
All we need is for those efforts to continue on. 01:21:30
Thank you, that's all I got. 01:21:33
Thank you. Thank you. 01:21:34
OK, we'll close. They are. 01:21:38
Audience public session. 01:21:43
And. 01:21:44
We'll now go to the approval of our consent agenda. 01:21:46
Just to reiterate. 01:21:51
One time quickly the things on the items on our consent agenda. 01:21:53
Are item. 01:21:56
New business. 01:22:00
Item C. 01:22:01
GF. 01:22:03
GH. 01:22:08
IJ. 01:22:11
M. 01:22:14
And Q. 01:22:20
I'll entertain a motion. 01:22:22
So moved second. 01:22:25
Question by Mr. Rassie and second by Miss Keene. 01:22:27
Any other discussion? 01:22:30
All those in favor. 01:22:32
Aye in your post. 01:22:33
That's unanimous, man. 01:22:36
Yes, Sir. 01:22:37
And now entertain a motion for the approval of the agenda. 01:22:38
Mr. Anger, I'm a second by. 01:22:44
Mr. Jones. 01:22:46
Any discussion? 01:22:48
All those in favor. 01:22:49
Aye, any opposed? 01:22:50
That's unanimous matter. 01:22:53
Yes, Sir. 01:22:54
OK, so first item. 01:22:56
Under old business is the mission Trace Covert. 01:23:00
Placement. 01:23:03
Change order number one. 01:23:04
From route contracting. 01:23:06
And I actually asked, you know. 01:23:07
This to be put back on the agenda. I had gone out after our meeting. 01:23:11
With Mr. Maher. 01:23:16
And some of his crew to look at that situation out there. 01:23:18
And understand exactly. 01:23:22
What the specifics of the situation were? 01:23:24
And there is a. 01:23:28
Culvert that leads into. 01:23:31
Drainage box. 01:23:33
Above which is a. 01:23:35
Street drain. 01:23:36
A curb drain that drops into the top of that box. 01:23:38
But from there, on the backside across crossing the road is a. 01:23:41
Diagonal pipe in the ground. 01:23:44
And so it is well in It's behind the culvert, it's behind the box. 01:23:47
And would be very difficult to. 01:23:52
Kind of ascertain exactly what was there. 01:23:54
And. 01:23:58
One of the things I discovered, I guess through the process was that. 01:24:01
You know what was bid? 01:24:05
What was specified was a 15 inch culvert, that's what. 01:24:07
The contractor. 01:24:10
Is legally bound to put it back in there because that was what he bid on. 01:24:11
But what was in the ground was actually an 18 inch. 01:24:16
Metal Cold. OK. 01:24:19
So the area has been being drained by an 18 inch culvert. 01:24:21
But we're switching up from the old metal pipe. 01:24:25
Was there? 01:24:28
To a concrete pipe which is thicker. 01:24:29
That additional thickness. 01:24:31
Would cause issues with the road height and create a bump through there. 01:24:33
And so. 01:24:38
There was the need for an elliptical drain. 01:24:39
Which gives the same order through without being quite as tall. 01:24:42
To to fix this issue. 01:24:46
So the other thing that I found out in the, you know, going back and refreshing my memory, I looked back at our council action in 01:24:49
early May when we approved the contract. 01:24:52
This particular bidder bid it. 01:24:57
Believe was $80,800. 01:24:59
Our second bid was at $147,000 in some change. 01:25:02
And a third bid was over $200,000. 01:25:06
So the contractor really gave us a. 01:25:09
A very fair bid. 01:25:12
And asked for $9900. 01:25:14
Change to put in. 01:25:18
What should have been there that was not specified? 01:25:19
On the city bid. 01:25:22
And in fact, it's called for in the city master plan. 01:25:23
Natural water sewer plant there. 01:25:26
You know. 01:25:30
For those reasons, and the fact that, you know, we don't want to create an upstream flooding problem. 01:25:32
By not having the correct capacity through that line. 01:25:37
I felt it was imperative that we bring that back and we and we. 01:25:40
If we talk about that again. 01:25:44
And you know. 01:25:46
Some of the things that Mister Brummelo alluded to and and others, you know that. 01:25:48
It's a concern of mine is that you have a bidder, this particular bidder route contracting. 01:25:52
Was, I believe our soul bitter after it went out? Forbid. 01:25:59
Two or three times. 01:26:03
On the road construction for. 01:26:05
The Commerce Park at airport. 01:26:08
And they were the only, only person that put in a bid after that went out multiple times trying to get bidders. 01:26:11
And I hate to see a. 01:26:18
A contractor. Any contractor. 01:26:20
Decide they don't want to work with the city of Saint Mary's, especially a good contractor that appears to give us. 01:26:22
Fair pricing. 01:26:28
On their jobs. 01:26:29
And, you know, scare them away because we're not going to be reasonable and evaluate. 01:26:31
Each situation. 01:26:36
I think we all want transparency. 01:26:38
We all want the public to know why changes are being made and why expenses need to be done. 01:26:40
I think it's incumbent upon us and our staff to put the very best. 01:26:45
Bid specifications out there. 01:26:49
In the 1st place to try to avoid. 01:26:51
You know any change orders that could be? 01:26:55
Pre known, you know by the quality of our bid. 01:26:57
But I've done enough renovations to know that when you open up walls and you open up things. 01:27:02
That you can't necessarily see what's behind there all the time. 01:27:07
And you make another trip or two to Lowe's. 01:27:10
You know. 01:27:14
And. 01:27:15
That's that's kind of what has happened here with this situation. And you know, I too am concerned about inflated bids. 01:27:16
From our inflexibility to consider reasonable changes. 01:27:23
That that might come up. 01:27:27
I don't want to see prices being inflated overtime. 01:27:28
Where people bid. 01:27:32
You know, knowing that they're not going to get an opportunity to to put in a reasonable. 01:27:33
Unanticipated. 01:27:39
You know, change or whatever. So. 01:27:42
That is why I asked this to be reconsidered by the Council. 01:27:44
I have a question about the. 01:27:50
Master Plan. 01:27:53
What type of pipe was shown on the master plane drawings? 01:27:55
18 inch. 01:27:59
What I was told. 01:27:59
18 inch elliptical. 01:28:00
Just 18 inch volume. 01:28:02
OK, because. 01:28:05
There's no way that they could have done a visual inspection. 01:28:07
Field inspection. 01:28:10
Pipe and as built drawing that we sent out. 01:28:13
Showed a 15 inch pipe. 01:28:18
Correct, but they were able to look at the master plan drawing. 01:28:20
Especially since I couldn't do a visual inspection. 01:28:26
In the field. 01:28:31
They who? The contractor. 01:28:32
And should they? 01:28:35
If they had done that they would have seen the 18 inch pipe. 01:28:37
Right. 01:28:41
And all of that is available to them. 01:28:42
And is that correct? 01:28:45
Mr. Marr. 01:28:48
Does master plan drawings for drainage? 01:28:51
Are available for a contractor to go and take a look at them. 01:28:55
Yeah, all city documents or. 01:28:59
For the most part or a subject to open records so everything is available. 01:29:02
That is not part of their typical. 01:29:07
Bid process though. 01:29:10
Right, if you go out there and you can't do a visual inspection. 01:29:11
Then you could go look at the drawings. 01:29:17
Yes. And this particular case we had a survey. 01:29:20
From a licensed surveyor that called for. 01:29:23
A 15 inch pipe on his survey. 01:29:26
It was there that was on as build, that was on the survey. 01:29:29
The field survey from the license surveyor. 01:29:33
The wood out and shot everything. 01:29:37
So they contractors. 01:29:41
We're taking that surveyors. 01:29:43
Yeah, I mean. 01:29:45
I agree with a lot of what? 01:29:47
Mayor Lockhart. 01:29:49
Said, and I'm certainly not naive about. 01:29:50
Um, wanting to. 01:29:54
Maintain vendor relations, but I think. 01:29:57
The the reason that we voted this way the first time and I come from a background where. 01:30:00
We had. 01:30:06
A lot of purchasing. 01:30:08
For sawmills, lots of engineering drawings. 01:30:09
You know there were times when you know the as built drawings were not the same as what was there then. 01:30:13
And we did have change orders. 01:30:20
But I think the thing that we're trying to. 01:30:22
Work hard to do is to. 01:30:26
Make sure that when somebody bids on something for the city, they're informed about that. 01:30:29
As best as they can be. 01:30:35
And then we certainly I will acquiesce. 01:30:39
That this may not have. 01:30:41
This particular. 01:30:43
Request for a change order. 01:30:45
May not have been. 01:30:47
The one that we needed to use to make an example of this, but. 01:30:50
What we are trying to do is change the upstream behavior. 01:30:55
Of both any of our engineers at Public Works to check and double check their work. 01:30:59
Before they send out the as built drawings. 01:31:05
And even when that happens, there may be some errors. 01:31:07
But also make the contractor responsible for looking at. 01:31:11
All the information they can get. 01:31:15
About giving us a bid. 01:31:18
So, you know, I think that is a. 01:31:20
Worthy goal as well. And this is. 01:31:23
Not an issue that. 01:31:27
Is black and white. 01:31:29
For me. 01:31:32
And and I. 01:31:34
I agree with. 01:31:36
Everything that's been said thus far. 01:31:37
As a matter of fact, you know. 01:31:40
Sean and I talked about this. 01:31:43
The other day. 01:31:46
And I fully support the contractor. 01:31:47
He's doing a marvelous job. 01:31:52
And he? 01:31:54
Marvelous job. 01:31:55
For the city in the past. 01:31:56
My problem is that we have. 01:31:58
At least two or three engineers. 01:32:01
And the road department. 01:32:04
That know that the master plan specified. 01:32:06
A certain size pipe. 01:32:11
If they didn't catch it. 01:32:13
You know. 01:32:15
I don't expect a. 01:32:16
The bit the guy that bid on the property to detect it. 01:32:19
What I'm saying is. 01:32:22
We're paying too much money for people to. 01:32:24
Overlook. 01:32:27
Things like this and I'm a. 01:32:28
Bring back an example. 01:32:30
Brought this up before. 01:32:32
With the orange hole. 01:32:34
Change orders. 01:32:35
Breaking drainage. 01:32:38
You know you don't have to have. 01:32:40
Engineering degree. 01:32:43
You have to have a drainage and a. 01:32:44
Commercial kitchen like that? 01:32:46
And a mistake was made. 01:32:48
And the taxpayers pay for it. 01:32:51
So that's why I said. 01:32:53
I want to make sure. 01:32:56
That everybody's got. 01:32:58
All of the facts. 01:33:00
Before they. 01:33:02
Accept these bids or before they bid on. 01:33:04
On these projects because. 01:33:07
To me it seemed like. 01:33:10
There's an inside deal. 01:33:12
For people to. 01:33:14
And plate the the cost of a project. 01:33:18
Even after it's gone to bed. 01:33:21
And I don't want that to happen here. 01:33:23
It happened several years ago when I was on the county Commission. 01:33:25
And I don't think the city of Saint Mary's. 01:33:29
Need to fall for every change. 01:33:31
Now, uh. 01:33:33
You're right. 01:33:34
If there's a project that. 01:33:35
You can't. 01:33:37
See behind walls and. 01:33:38
Certain things come up. 01:33:40
I don't have a problem with that. 01:33:42
But you know, it's, it's getting to the point where. 01:33:45
Every. 01:33:48
Project that we have or every other project. 01:33:49
We have. 01:33:52
We have change orders. 01:33:53
And if it can't be? 01:33:56
These these problems can't be caught. 01:33:58
And our engineering department. 01:34:00
Then we're paying people for nothing. 01:34:02
The reason we voted? 01:34:06
No, there's three nose and two abstentions. 01:34:08
Was to change behavior and Miss Kane already pointed out. 01:34:11
Maybe this was a bad one to drive a stake in the ground. 01:34:14
I'll agree with that. 01:34:18
But you got to drive it somewhere. I was talking with Chad, he says there's been 4 change orders in 12 months. 01:34:19
So some that would look pretty pretty good. 01:34:24
I say that's for too many. 01:34:26
And that's not taking into account the last five years to get a proper and accurate. 01:34:28
Average now she's been here a little while. 01:34:32
But Mr. Jones has been here a lot longer and I know he's seen a whole bunch of change orders come across his desk, and that's why. 01:34:35
I understand his frustration with change orders. Nobody likes them in the home. 01:34:41
And the city certainly doesn't like them when you keep getting them. Now it's been pointed pointed out about inflated. 01:34:45
Bits, you call them inflated bids, I call them accurate bits. See, I don't believe we'll get no bids and I believe that the bids 01:34:51
we do get. 01:34:55
They're going to triple check their work before they put a bid in if they know the city of Saint Mary's does not. 01:34:59
Accept change orders. 01:35:04
So I think we do drive a stake in the ground. 01:35:06
And what kind of made me a little bit. 01:35:09
Upset is to even see this back on the agenda in the 1st place because. 01:35:11
It's the motion failed. 01:35:16
Are the the approval failed? 01:35:18
And now it's back on the agenda. 01:35:21
And I think for the same reason, if we're going to have the behavior, if we don't like something, we'll just put it back on the 01:35:22
agenda and we'll just revote on it. 01:35:26
When would that stop? We could just indefinitely just keep bringing it back up. 01:35:30
So for that reason I would actually make a motion. 01:35:35
That we remove this from the agenda item. 01:35:38
Is there a SEC? 01:35:43
I'll second that. 01:35:45
We have a motion Second, is there any other discussion? 01:35:48
All those in favor of removing. 01:35:53
The item from the agenda. 01:35:55
Aye, 3. 01:35:58
All those opposed. 01:36:01
And since I was going to ask for it to be on there in the 1st place, I'll vote to leave it on the agenda. 01:36:04
And I'd like to speak that just real quickly, Mr. Blackaby, maybe you could clarify for me. 01:36:10
Since the bid went out. 01:36:15
Specifying a 15 inch drain is the contractor. 01:36:18
Legally required to change it to what's there or can you put it in? 01:36:22
Could he legally put it in? 01:36:27
At 15. 01:36:29
Given the bid that he did. 01:36:31
Yeah, that's a good question. I'm gonna need to go back and look at the bid documents to. 01:36:32
Be absolutely certain of this, but I think you're. 01:36:36
Correct to ask that question because they're they're. 01:36:39
Not all change orders are the same, you know. 01:36:42
To give you an example, I. 01:36:44
Work with another city that was. 01:36:46
Dealing with that change orders. 01:36:48
Similar type project were. 01:36:50
Were some underground infrastructure being installed under a Rd. 01:36:51
The bid came in, City accepted it. 01:36:55
And then it turned out there was a lot of subtraining concrete that nobody knew about. 01:36:58
And so it made the job harder. 01:37:01
Didn't change the ultimate. 01:37:03
Specifications of what they had. 01:37:05
Do they have to still put the same? 01:37:07
Infrastructure in place, but it became more difficult than anybody anticipated. 01:37:08
That's one type of change order where you're still doing the same thing, it's just more difficult the other type of change order. 01:37:12
Is where you're changing the nature of what you're. 01:37:17
Doing so in this situation. 01:37:19
If bid documents specify that, you're only required. 01:37:23
And you're only contractually agreeing to install. 01:37:27
A infrastructure, one type in size. 01:37:29
And now you're being asked to change that and do something different. 01:37:33
Then I think you're correct that the contractor is just required to do a contract requires. 01:37:37
And as a contractor says, it's a 15 inch pipe desk installed. 01:37:43
And now we're saying, well, actually we needed it to be bigger than that. 01:37:46
If the continent, but again I've got to look at the bid doc. So if the bid documents in the contract says. 01:37:49
You also have to do it in compliance. 01:37:54
With these comprehensive plan documents. 01:37:56
Then perhaps that got incorporated as a requirement into what? 01:37:59
The contractors required to do, but it's going to take some pretty close analysis of what the bid documents and the contract 01:38:02
documents actually say. 01:38:05
OK, Thank you. And say and just to clarify. 01:38:09
Jeremy, the reason I had it put back on. 01:38:11
Was because of that capacity and my concern that the contractor could legally move forward. 01:38:14
With a 15 inch pipe that he bit on. 01:38:20
And knowing that. 01:38:23
If we had upstream flooding. 01:38:24
That we would now be liable. 01:38:27
For allowing that to occur, having known about it and it's been public. 01:38:29
You know, with public information, it was a meeting. 01:38:34
There was a vote. 01:38:36
You know that we could be liable for damage that's. 01:38:37
Created by having less. 01:38:39
Drainage there. 01:38:41
And that was my concern and that's why I asked to have it. 01:38:43
Because I, you know, when I went out and found out. 01:38:46
Exactly what happened and how? 01:38:48
That's why I put it back on, not not just because I had sore feelings or whatever, but. 01:38:51
Because I really felt that the city was opening itself up the liability by not putting in. 01:38:56
The correct size infrastructure. 01:39:01
And I know there were comments were made at last meeting. 01:39:03
That you know, they can just put it in, they can pay for it or whatever. 01:39:05
But I don't think they're required to do so because that's not what they bid on. 01:39:08
And so that's why I had it put back on, just to clarify that. 01:39:12
My my point was. 01:39:18
Not to say that. 01:39:21
They shouldn't put it in. 01:39:24
And and pay for it. 01:39:26
My position was. 01:39:28
Weather must whether mistake was made and I don't think it was made with the contractor. 01:39:30
The contractor bill what he. 01:39:36
Great. So I think it was made internally. 01:39:38
And that's why I say we're. 01:39:41
We're paying. 01:39:43
Engineers to make sure that. 01:39:46
Everything is neat and in order. 01:39:48
And if they don't find it? 01:39:51
I don't see how they can expect their contractors. 01:39:53
I wasn't here for the last meeting, so I did go back and watch the meeting and I saw a lot of points being made on the subject 01:39:58
and. 01:40:01
Miss King brought up that the contractor should look at the master plan before making a bid, and I think you said that's not 01:40:05
typical. Did any of the contractors that bid, to your knowledge, look at the master plan before bidding? 01:40:10
No, Sir, they did, you say. You know they didn't so. 01:40:15
They did go off of our plans and it just makes it like yes, there was an error made and it seemed that it was with our. 01:40:19
Our drawings that we had. 01:40:25
From the surveyor, but. 01:40:28
You know, definitely need to try to stay on top of that and. 01:40:29
Minimize issues moving forward. 01:40:32
But there was a whole topic of conversation we're still having about Sains waters. 01:40:35
And. 01:40:39
I agree we don't like spending money after the fact or getting blood dry and nickel and diamond here there. 01:40:40
But. 01:40:45
I don't see it as a pandemic or problem currently. 01:40:47
Yes, like Councilman Esimento stated. I, I said we've had four change orders. This is the fourth in the last over the last 12 01:40:51
months. 01:40:54
We've had 36, So what a job contractors. 01:40:57
We don't want them ever. I mean, I get it. 01:41:02
But. 01:41:04
On a case by case basis, we have to look at approval. 01:41:05
If they make sense like this one, this is like a glaring example of. 01:41:08
Yes. We don't want to run route contractor construction off like these guys. Put in a good honest bid and a good honest change 01:41:11
order. 01:41:14
Quest They actually took a deduction from their work when they made a change order. 01:41:18
Because of a tree that wasn't an issue if a. 01:41:22
Remember right from the last meeting. 01:41:25
But. 01:41:27
You know, when they did come in on their bid, they were significantly less like Mayor Lockhart stated in the next best contractor 01:41:27
thing was like 50. 01:41:31
Yeah, $66,930, right? Is that right? 01:41:37
That that was the difference in bid and the other contractors. Had they seen the same plans at 18 inches, they would have came 01:41:42
back with the change order requests themselves. 01:41:46
If we turned off around construction and they didn't want to complete the job and they decided to walk. 01:41:51
I feel like we could be a liability to them for, you know, putting out the plans forbid and changing in the middle of the game 01:41:56
like what we expected, more expensive parts. 01:42:00
And materials. 01:42:04
You know, if we had to get another contractor in the next closest contractor was significantly higher. So like you have to. 01:42:06
We consoled that way. 01:42:12
There's a lot of examples, and I'm not going to get into everything I've put together just because it's just hammered at home, but 01:42:15
it's the simple Google search, you know, the city stops approving change orders. 01:42:19
If a city stops approving change orders, a construction project can be significantly impacted, leading to payment disputes, 01:42:24
delays, potential lawsuits. 01:42:28
Project suspension. 01:42:31
Theexact.com depends on the contract terms reason for change orders in the city's justification for withholding approval. 01:42:32
I just didn't see justification recording approval of this one. 01:42:37
Based off that contractor. 01:42:40
You know, based off this situation individually. 01:42:41
We don't want to run these guys off. 01:42:44
Please, if they're watching like we want you to come back to Saint Mary's, we want to do good business and make good common sense 01:42:46
decisions moving forward. 01:42:49
And and again my problem is not with the contract. 01:42:52
My problem is not with the contract. 01:42:58
In this case, yes. I mean, they're all different. I get it. 01:43:00
OK. 01:43:07
There's any other discussion? 01:43:10
All right, so. 01:43:13
Take the vote on whether to approve the change order in the amount of $9900. 01:43:17
From the existing highway and streets play. 01:43:23
I can make a motion. 01:43:26
I'd like to make a motion to approve the. 01:43:28
Change order request. 01:43:30
2nd. 01:43:31
OK. Motion by Mr. Ingram, second by Mr. Conners. 01:43:32
Any other discussion? 01:43:36
All those in favor. 01:43:37
Any those opposed? 01:43:39
OK. We have three and three there and I vote. 01:43:44
Approve a change order. 01:43:48
OK. The next item for discussion. Thank you. 01:43:51
Is the intergovernmental agreement. 01:43:56
For Parks and Recreation, item B. 01:43:58
Programming between the Cam County. 01:44:01
The Camden County Public Service Authority, City of Kansas City, Woodland City, Saint Mary. 01:44:03
Didn't do this and the last one, I apologize, but let's go ahead and get a motion. 01:44:11
1st to. 01:44:15
Hello, motion by Mr. Rassie. 01:44:17
Is there a second? 01:44:20
Second. Second by Mr. Jones. 01:44:21
OK. Any discussion? 01:44:23
I guess the only concern I have. 01:44:27
I plan to vote to approve this is that. 01:44:30
You know, we left one very big item. 01:44:35
Open on this and that is what? 01:44:38
We're going to do. 01:44:41
You know, it says we are going to agree to negotiate regarding the SPLOST. 01:44:42
Money that was allocated to the county. 01:44:48
For the park maintenance. 01:44:50
And you know, we've had six months to work on this. 01:44:54
Contract and that is a. 01:44:59
That's a. 01:45:01
Big open item. 01:45:02
So for those of you that were there at the negotiations, could you discuss? 01:45:06
What appears to be the thinking? 01:45:14
On how that money. 01:45:16
Is going to be divided. 01:45:18
Yes ma'am, I guess one thing, if I'm not mistaken. I went back and looked at it. 01:45:21
Then after we. 01:45:25
Discussed it and. 01:45:26
And it says that they agreed to negotiate splice contributions for the purpose of capital improvements. 01:45:29
To PSA facilities, Recreational service expansions. 01:45:35
And enhancements. 01:45:39
So. 01:45:40
That it'd be moving forward. 01:45:41
Splashed funds. 01:45:44
For the purpose of improving. 01:45:45
PSA facilities, not our facilities. 01:45:48
Not the negotiation. 01:45:50
Well, for the the money specifically you're talking about, but. 01:45:53
But that's as far as what degree I said. 01:45:57
But so then it the. 01:45:59
Whole agreement may be silent. 01:46:01
On that issue. 01:46:04
Is that what you're saying? 01:46:05
Yes. 01:46:07
As far as? 01:46:08
You know what the? 01:46:10
Current splice situation is. 01:46:12
For money that's already been. 01:46:15
Allocated Allocated for maintenance of the parks. 01:46:17
Right. And you know, we're agreeing to take over the maintenance on the park. So I just want to know. 01:46:21
Agreement of silent on that. That seems to be a big. 01:46:29
We've had conversation and we're still in the process of negotiation on that. We have seen what. 01:46:34
The fee that we normally pay has been reduced. 01:46:40
Roughly 180,000 I believe is what it. 01:46:45
Has roughly been reduced. 01:46:48
PSA approved their budget. 01:46:52
With that reduction. 01:46:55
You following with me there? 01:46:57
You kind of got that look. 01:46:59
The other part, getting into the splash side of it. 01:47:01
There is money that is allocated. 01:47:04
For rehab of parks. 01:47:07
That money is. 01:47:11
Was identified for four separate parks. 01:47:13
And the conversation is splitting that for those. 01:47:17
Those four parks, which is. 01:47:21
Our park here as well. 01:47:24
There's also a little bit of chunk of money for some equipment. 01:47:27
So that's that's. 01:47:30
Where we're at right now with the negotiations on the On the Spot park. 01:47:33
That's the thinking. Is there a reason why we decided to leave the agreement silent? 01:47:38
On that then. 01:47:44
That. 01:47:46
We were trying to get this done in in the time it was allocated. 01:47:50
With the understanding that we would. 01:47:55
Have that discussion in regards to the financials. 01:47:57
Yeah, I mean, like I said, the. 01:48:01
The discussion. 01:48:03
You know. 01:48:05
It has to happen, needs to happen because the vehicle and the mechanism for which those. 01:48:06
Funds were going to be expended. 01:48:10
Is being now altered after the fact of the splice boat. You know so. 01:48:12
You know, and like I said, I mean, there are certainly different ways. 01:48:18
That that could be looked at, you know, it could be a per capita split, it could be a. 01:48:23
2520520520 5% split between the four parks. 01:48:28
You know, there's, you know. 01:48:32
We certainly don't feel. 01:48:34
That that is an equitable split necessarily. 01:48:36
Based on. 01:48:40
Usage of the facilities and population, those kinds of things and so. 01:48:41
You know these are. 01:48:47
Obviously contentious issues among the other. 01:48:48
You know, other municipalities and things and. 01:48:51
You know it's going to be a little while before that money is collected and the money is available to be spent. 01:48:54
As fast collections go. 01:49:00
So, you know, there was more significant time, you know, available to us to negotiate those things and. 01:49:02
Trying to get to a favorable position but. 01:49:08
You know, I think for that reason. 01:49:11
As Robbie said, we were trying to get this deal done under the deadline of the extension and you know. 01:49:12
Everyone knows that. 01:49:19
That those those are. 01:49:20
Those FLOSS discussions are going to happen and have to happen so. 01:49:22
So I don't know if you disagree with that at all, Mr. Blackerby, I mean. 01:49:27
With the read you read through this document. 01:49:31
I mean I've I've got concerns about the document. 01:49:34
Yeah, I think. 01:49:39
There are a lot of things to be clear that could be clarified. 01:49:40
I don't think the PSA attorney has fully reviewed it. 01:49:44
I don't think he had concerns as well. 01:49:47
So our attorney has concerns about the document. We've got a big. 01:49:51
Issue that hasn't been a. 01:49:58
Been addressed what are possible ways that we can? 01:50:00
Solve that before agreeing. 01:50:04
To it. 01:50:08
When you go back to him and I said, yeah, I mean, we go back to him with specific concerns and, you know, we may end up with a 01:50:10
special call meeting. You have to try to get this. I think it's the end of the month tonight. 01:50:15
I don't think so. 01:50:20
Things end of the month before you know the initial extension, so either. 01:50:21
All the municipalities and counties have had to get together to. 01:50:25
Do an additional extension or. 01:50:28
Or and I know the county I think has already passed this document and they're. 01:50:31
And they're meeting or whatever, but. 01:50:35
They may. 01:50:36
You know, if we if we don't approve it. 01:50:38
Then obviously they would be. 01:50:40
You know, having to look at it again so we could force that issue, I guess. 01:50:42
OK. 01:50:47
So, uh. 01:50:50
Is there any other discussion? 01:50:52
Take a vote. 01:50:55
So we have a motion and discussion. 01:50:58
Motion. 01:51:00
Would be, I guess, to approve. 01:51:02
The way it is, wait. 01:51:04
We had a motion. 01:51:07
Councilman Rassie to approve the second by Councilman Jones, right? 01:51:08
That's correct. 01:51:12
So we're gonna bed on that. 01:51:12
So, right, we'll be voting on that. 01:51:14
Will be voting to approve so. 01:51:17
All those. 01:51:20
Yeah, Scott, I mean. 01:51:21
If we do approve, is there? 01:51:23
I mean. 01:51:26
Can we fix? 01:51:28
After the fact of anyway. 01:51:31
I think. I think. 01:51:33
Probably the correct thing to do maybe is is to. 01:51:35
Vote to disapprove. 01:51:39
Make those changes. 01:51:41
You know during the past black we get back with the PSA attorney and and in short order and try to get to. 01:51:42
A revised document back that we're happy with and then, you know they'll have to just. 01:51:49
Bring that back to themselves. 01:51:54
You may resend. You want me to resend it? 01:51:56
If I remember. 01:51:59
If I resent it or we're going to vote on it. 01:52:00
Percent of withdrawal. 01:52:03
Motion. 01:52:07
If you want, yeah. 01:52:09
I don't know. Even though you wait emotion, you can still not know. 01:52:12
Yeah, we can. Just don't know. 01:52:16
Yeah, just about. No, you could still, you could make a motion vote it. 01:52:18
Against it? Yeah. What? What's your preference? 01:52:21
I'm just going to take photo you. 01:52:24
I'm going to withdraw my motion. 01:52:26
OK. All right. 01:52:28
And I always. 01:52:30
OK. 01:52:32
So without a motion is. 01:52:35
This matter dies at this point, so we'll. 01:52:38
Try to get together and. 01:52:40
Get those changes back to the county. 01:52:42
And. 01:52:45
See if we can get some movement on those issues. 01:52:46
All right. Thank you. 01:52:49
Yes, yeah. 01:52:52
I don't know. 01:52:54
OK. Next item for discussion is item E budget ordinance amendment. 01:52:57
Yes, ma'am. 01:53:03
Just table in this item. Yes, Yes ma'am. 01:53:05
Budget Ordinance. Amendment 2026. General Fund Equity Aquatic Center. 01:53:12
Repairs. So go ahead and. 01:53:16
Ask for a motion. 01:53:18
To move second. 01:53:20
Mr. Rasi. 01:53:24
Yes, please. 01:53:25
Grassy and Mr. Connor. 01:53:28
All right. Any discussion? 01:53:30
Yeah, I know this money is there to be released. I plan on voting yes for it as well, but I would like to task management. 01:53:31
To come up with a work session. 01:53:39
About what we want to do with the Aquatic Center. 01:53:41
And what I mean by that? 01:53:43
Is I I put it in the bracket of three options option #1. 01:53:45
Do exactly what we're doing with exactly. 01:53:50
How we're doing it and make repairs as needed. 01:53:53
Option 2, expand it. There's been plans we've talked to. 01:53:57
Staff and they've even have conceptual drawings of some ideas that would grow the Aquatic Center and maybe possibly charge the fee 01:54:01
we need to charge to one day bring it net revenue neutral. 01:54:06
And then option 3 is to maybe sell to a private company that can maybe do a lot more things that. 01:54:12
Maybe we couldn't do or don't have the budget to do. 01:54:18
I'm good with option 2 and 3. 01:54:20
But this thing of just 174 up, 300,000 up and we just keep piece mealing and we keep patching and we keep putting band aids. 01:54:23
That's the only one I'm not for and I don't feel that council has clear direction what they even want to do with the Aquatic 01:54:31
Center. So what I would love the task management to do is to just come up with a work session to decide, do we want to sell it? 01:54:37
Do we want to expand it or is everyone good and maybe I'm the only one? 01:54:44
That is good, but just. 01:54:47
Keep putting band aids on it because I think that puts a lot of. 01:54:49
Strain on staff and this is going to be a constant issue that comes up. 01:54:54
And now is the time to do it. Now is the offseason. I do not want to wait till next year and be like, oh, we got a whole bunch of 01:54:58
stuff to do. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars and now we're fighting. 01:55:02
We should sell it. We should take it off our plate. So I just think we need a work session on what we want to do with the Aquatic 01:55:06
Center. 01:55:09
I agree with that and and. 01:55:13
Could we, as part of the work session, have a list of known repairs? 01:55:15
That need to be made with the approximate cost. 01:55:21
All repairs, yes. Yeah, there is a I. 01:55:26
I I agree and I'm going to vote for it. 01:55:30
But I agree with you, we need to. 01:55:35
Look in the future. 01:55:38
And with even having a work session. 01:55:40
I look at option two. We need to. 01:55:44
Expanded and. 01:55:46
Find out a way to make it. 01:55:48
Neutral. I think we should keep it, but. 01:55:50
Yeah, and I do lean towards that option too. 01:55:52
Before work session, but you know. 01:55:55
I definitely. 01:55:58
Am against option three. If there was another option it would be an option 4 and that would be where the city can maintain. 01:55:59
Control over the maintenance of the park. 01:56:05
But if there was a company that want to come in and release it and take a lease space, that would be with that too, yeah. 01:56:07
The the reason why we have these. 01:56:13
A lot of. 01:56:16
Just repairs that keep coming up was because when it was with the PSA, there was a lot of deferred maintenance that didn't get 01:56:17
taken care of. So a lot of the, you know, cost that we have are things that popped up because the deferred maintenance, the 01:56:22
maintenance of the part wasn't taken care of when the PSA had it taken control. We put a lot of money into it since then because 01:56:27
things that should have been done or taken care of. 01:56:31
Properly, we're not. So it's a little more costly now as we've caught those things up. 01:56:36
Yeah, I agree with Councilman and Graham on that because. 01:56:40
There was maintenance that should have been done that wasn't. 01:56:44
And. 01:56:47
So I think once we get this thing back. 01:56:48
To where we need to have a. 01:56:51
And have to have to's wants and wishes. 01:56:53
Happiness or what have to be done to keep it going? 01:56:56
Lots of things that we. 01:56:59
Can possibly do down the road. 01:57:01
And wishes if I want to add stuff. 01:57:04
So yeah, I'm just not for what we're doing right now. 01:57:06
All those other options if somebody. 01:57:09
Accused me of Oh you want to get rid of the Aquatics under false I. 01:57:12
All those other options make the Aquatic Center better. 01:57:15
All those other options. 01:57:17
So the only thing that I'm not for is. 01:57:19
Exactly what we're doing and we've made more progress in 5 minutes just talking about it up here. 01:57:21
And I've heard since the eight months that I've been on council so. 01:57:25
I think it work. Session is definitely called for. 01:57:28
All right, there's no further discussion. 01:57:32
All those in favor of the motion to amend the budget. 01:57:36
Aye, aye. 01:57:40
Any opposed? 01:57:42
That's unanimous, man. 01:57:44
Yes, Sir. 01:57:45
Our next item for discussion is item K. 01:57:50
It is the resolution for 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district. 01:57:54
Major rezoning. Major subdivision. Conceptual preliminary application. 01:57:59
And civil plan reviews. 01:58:03
Good evening. 01:58:06
Thank you. I've asked our City engineer, Public Works Engineer Chris Amos, to come up and join me in this discussion. 01:58:07
So what's before you is a 90 day moratorium on any new planned development district, major rezoning, major subdivision. 01:58:15
Conceptual and preliminary plat applications. 01:58:24
And civil plan reviews. 01:58:27
I just want to kind of. 01:58:29
Give you a little. 01:58:30
Cliff notes on the development. 01:58:32
Process. 01:58:34
So every entitlement that land has. 01:58:35
For its development potential. 01:58:39
Is given through. 01:58:41
Zoning right? My office and I, we work with landholders and potential developers. 01:58:43
Years in advance of. 01:58:50
An actual project. 01:58:53
Going vertical. 01:58:55
Being built, being turned. 01:58:56
And that's usually at the stage of. 01:58:58
The zoning. 01:59:00
Probably for about. 01:59:04
And let me just start by saying that this moratorium is not a. 01:59:06
It's not a zoning ordinance. 01:59:10
It's not a future land use plan. It's not a. 01:59:13
The way that we. 01:59:18
Want to approach development in certain areas? 01:59:19
What it is, is a capacity. 01:59:23
Issue a critical capacity issue. 01:59:25
And how sewage is conveyed. 01:59:27
To our treatment plans. 01:59:31
So there's been some confusion about this because we have. 01:59:33
Ample capacity in our plants. 01:59:36
What we're lacking and we need to take a hard look at the infrastructure for. 01:59:39
Is the conveyance. 01:59:44
Of sewerage from the site. 01:59:46
Where a project is built. 01:59:48
To the treatment. 01:59:50
So Chris and I have been collaborating. 01:59:52
Quite a bit and on this and about a month ago. 01:59:56
We started to look at certain projects. 02:00:01
That had already in these critical areas. 02:00:04
Gone down the pipeline of land use. 02:00:07
To a point where. 02:00:10
The zoning was there. 02:00:11
The civil plan set was approved. 02:00:13
Building permits were approved, land had been turned, utilities were going in and they were getting ready to go vertical. 02:00:16
And those projects. 02:00:23
We have a concern for. 02:00:25
In areas. 02:00:27
So this request is a is a request to pause. 02:00:28
It's a request to. 02:00:32
Take a hard look. 02:00:35
With our. 02:00:37
Engineering Partners. 02:00:38
And the good guidance that's in the utility master plan? 02:00:39
To look at the areas look at. 02:00:43
Citywide. 02:00:45
Look at where we have some. 02:00:47
Capacity issues. 02:00:50
And hopefully over the course of 90 days. 02:00:52
Be shorter. Come up with a stepwise plan. 02:00:56
And with that, I think I'll. 02:00:59
We would Chris to do more technical stuff. 02:01:01
So as as Jamie, Jamie and I have been looking at these developments. 02:01:05
Withstand your pine, your pine. Go ahead. 02:01:09
There's a lot going on. 02:01:12
We're in areas where we have some concern about sewer capacity downstream, she said. We have plenty of capacity the treatment 02:01:14
plant. 02:01:17
Both treatment plants have capacity now, one of them Scrubby Bluff. 02:01:21
Is about to go back online. We recently got a waste load allocation to double the capacity of scrubbing. 02:01:25
England Times and Miller is currently working on the next steps to get that done. 02:01:33
We have Volker working with us to try to analyze all of these basins. 02:01:38
And try to figure out what the best solutions are. We have a really good master plan that was done by Freeze Nichols that 02:01:43
identifies lots of projects, some of which are rather expensive. 02:01:47
That we need to implement to be able to maintain capacity. 02:01:53
One basin in particular. 02:01:57
Is where a lot of the development that is in the area around the hospital and Walmart. 02:02:00
Is all going to a pump station? 02:02:05
Near the dark entry Creek, which is. 02:02:08
Very stressed right now. Very, very stressed right now. 02:02:11
And we're looking at how about several different options for how we can? 02:02:15
One of them been sort of baby steps. 02:02:20
Add more capacity to that pump station and the system downstream of that. 02:02:22
While we workout these. 02:02:27
Bigger picture. 02:02:28
Items issues that are upstream of that. Some of that involves the exit 1. 02:02:30
Project we are now at one time. 02:02:36
Quite a bit of the wastewater from exit 1 was going to come all the way down to sugar. 02:02:39
It now appears that we're going to be able to do all of that in Scrubby Bluff instead. 02:02:44
And that opens up a lot of other opportunities. 02:02:48
For us to solve these sewer problems. 02:02:51
And we really didn't get that word from ETM until last Friday. 02:02:53
So we're. 02:02:57
Working hard to try to solve these problems, but we're concerned that if we don't. 02:02:58
Towels for a little while till we figure out the solutions, then we're going to have some. 02:03:02
Very much larger problems so. 02:03:06
Upon us pretty quickly. 02:03:09
Thank you. 02:03:11
I don't know so. 02:03:12
The pulse. 02:03:14
So if I have a lot and I want to develop it just my own personal home, I can still do that. 02:03:16
Yeah, I'll let Jamie address that because she wrote the. 02:03:22
Yeah, Thank you. So I think when we talk about major subdivisions, this is 6 or more lots. So if you own a lot in Osprey Cove or 02:03:25
Cumberland Harbor and downtown and you want to build your single family residence. 02:03:31
This would not apply. 02:03:38
So I, I don't see where like commercial businesses are stated, are we still allowing open for business for commercial? 02:03:41
Space. 02:03:48
I think this is the part where it gets a little bit the analysis is needed. 02:03:51
The if you're working in a commercial area, umm. 02:03:58
That has already been developed and you're just doing a redevelopment. This wouldn't apply. 02:04:03
If you're looking to add. 02:04:08
New Flushing. 02:04:10
I have a better word for it then we'd have to. 02:04:14
Chris would analyze that. 02:04:17
And that we're going to have to look at that on a case by case basis. It depends on which basin it's in. 02:04:18
And and depends on how much waste load it's going to require to be able to handle the project. 02:04:23
We currently have two other large pump stations that Public Works has been working on for a very long time, Pump station 13 which 02:04:29
is on Douglas Drive. 02:04:33
Which we have the final plans ready to go to bid, I believe we are. 02:04:38
Right on the cusp of having the final. 02:04:42
Steps taken with the grant money that's going to pay for that so that can go out to bid, that's probably that's the biggest and 02:04:44
most important pump station in the city. 02:04:48
And pump station 15 which is in sugar. 02:04:52
We have plans for that as well. We're working with a local developer to acquire property from him. 02:04:56
To construct. 02:05:02
15 on right next to work currently sits. 02:05:03
And that one's close to going out, and that's going to solve 2 of the biggest bottlenecks, leaving the third one. 02:05:06
Which is this everything going to 42? 02:05:12
Which the whole scrubby bluff The resolution of the scrubby bluff plant issues is made a little bit easier to fix. 02:05:15
Could we possibly open? 02:05:23
You know to actually approve permits, you know, with stipulations that. 02:05:25
There's not a water sewer agreement. 02:05:30
That. 02:05:32
They just won't be able to get a CEO and. 02:05:34
That wouldn't be awarded until you know the solutions are in place. 02:05:36
And we've had a lot of discussion about developers agreements, including with a couple of developers in the last week. 02:05:41
And about how we can implement that. And some of it is going to depend on. 02:05:47
We need to meet with the attorney. 02:05:52
And see how we can structure. 02:05:53
These things and how much money is that developers agreement going to generate versus what the improvement costs are going to be? 02:05:56
One of the projects if we pull the. 02:06:03
The 42 and the downstream pump station from that if we had to implement the. 02:06:06
The master plan fix on that, it's 12 and a half million dollars. 02:06:10
And that's going to be. 02:06:14
Probably a little difficult to. 02:06:15
Raise all of that from developers fees, which is why we're trying to look at other options that will. 02:06:17
That will fix that problem at a lower cost. 02:06:22
But I can't answer that question today. 02:06:26
Out of a scan. 02:06:28
If it's not a total hindrance, I'd like to have a work session before the next meeting and then. 02:06:30
Vote on this the next meeting so you can't have those answers. 02:06:35
The only thing that I would like to say about that is that my office entertains discussions with developers on a daily basis. 02:06:41
Several developers a day. 02:06:48
It is very. 02:06:50
I don't think a good professional practice for me to be. 02:06:51
Engaging with the development community on major rezonings or major subdivisions when I know. 02:06:55
That perhaps? 02:07:02
There will not be. 02:07:03
Sufficient capacity for that development. 02:07:04
And so that's why I've. 02:07:07
Hit the pause. 02:07:09
Because I know it's a difficult conversation to have. 02:07:11
Now, when you're beginning down the land use pipeline. 02:07:14
But what's worse is when you're looking to actually connect to the sewer. 02:07:18
You've done your utilities and you're ready to go. 02:07:23
And we tell you, sorry, no. 02:07:26
So I. 02:07:28
Trying to get. 02:07:29
A year or more in advance of this. 02:07:30
With a temporary pause. 02:07:33
I guess one of the things that you know. 02:07:35
Sitting here thinking about the situation, you know, we, we come up with a plan, you know, we're able to. 02:07:38
You know, really look at the situation, see where the bottlenecks are. 02:07:44
And and put forward some possible solutions. 02:07:48
The implementation of those solutions. 02:07:52
It is going to be timely. I mean, it's going to take months, you know? 02:07:55
Before those things can be engineered. 02:08:00
Go out the bid and actually be constructed and brought online. I don't have the exact time frame obviously but I mean I'm 02:08:03
guessing. 02:08:06
We're looking at probably minimum. 02:08:10
6 to 9 months for. 02:08:12
You know, even a fairly minor. 02:08:14
Project. 02:08:17
You know that that would. 02:08:19
Make a significant impact in improving the situation. 02:08:20
That I'm kind of here and here and and and I guess that's. 02:08:25
That's the disconcerting part that, you know, those of us who are hearing from, you know. 02:08:29
The developers and their concerns and and. 02:08:34
But. 02:08:38
As Miss Stein has said, you know. 02:08:39
People are going to be a whole lot more upset. 02:08:43
You know when they start flushing their toilets and, and it's backing up in their house, brand new houses because there's nowhere 02:08:45
for it to go. 02:08:48
And you know it. 02:08:53
It is a stark reality of our current situation with infrastructure in in Saint Mary's and. 02:08:55
The improvements. 02:09:01
That we need. 02:09:03
To find solutions for. 02:09:04
And I don't think that the infrastructure doesn't have to be operational for us to be able to tell some of these developers they 02:09:05
can go. We just have to have a plan in place so we know how long it's going to take to get there. 02:09:10
Yeah, and trying to tell them yes now. 02:09:15
And we don't really know how long it's going to take to get sewer capacity online for their project is. 02:09:18
Is not a good situation for us to be right. So we feel like that within this 90 day moratorium. 02:09:24
We can have that. 02:09:29
Plan kind of in place by the end of that. 02:09:31
Kind of know what? 02:09:34
Those solutions and those time frames might be. 02:09:35
And cost, I mean cost. 02:09:38
Yes, OK. 02:09:40
And cost. I think This is why a capital improvement plan is so important. I know we have one come due November, but we need one. 02:09:41
Every year for exactly this type of thing. 02:09:48
And as I mean, I. 02:09:51
Trust Jamie completely Mr. Amos, our public works department, I think y'all are brilliant in what you do. 02:09:52
And I'm constantly in awe of the decisions you make and your vision, so I support you. 02:09:57
Wholeheartedly, but I also. 02:10:01
I have a bleeding heart for businesses. I mean, I ran for all citizens of Saint Mary's. 02:10:04
But a heart in particular for developers and people that are trying to do business in Saint Mary's to make it prime. 02:10:08
And you know, I know maybe some of our developers even in this room and property owners have spoke to some of council, but maybe. 02:10:14
I don't know if you want to, you don't have to, but maybe it'd be good for the council to hear from you if you have any concerns. 02:10:21
As we you know, we've heard from them, we know what needs to be done. 02:10:27
Is anybody in the room want to take the mic and. 02:10:30
And address something. Go ahead. 02:10:33
I think, I think it's only fair. 02:10:35
If you just give your name and address. 02:10:37
Hi, my name is Walter Johnson. I'm with Jocelyn Holmes Construction Company. 02:10:40
We just had a moratorium a couple. 02:10:44
Months ago, I guess it was for something different. 02:10:47
Now there's another moratorium. 02:10:49
What I'm trying to propose is I'm building a commercial building in Satilla Business Park. 02:10:51
It's an office suite. 02:10:56
No one spending the night. 02:10:58
You're not having three meals a day. 02:11:00
There are no showers. 02:11:01
I understand there's a problem. 02:11:03
It makes complete sense. 02:11:05
I do not understand how 6 houses or six house neighborhood is OK. 02:11:07
For less than 6000. 02:11:12
I don't understand how multiple houses and. 02:11:14
Residential houses is OK. 02:11:17
But one small. 02:11:19
Commercial. 02:11:20
Building the language in this. 02:11:21
Doesn't. 02:11:24
I don't I don't meet the requirements. 02:11:25
According to this, it would be approved. 02:11:27
My permit was submitted prior to this. 02:11:30
Chris called me last Friday. 02:11:34
And said, hey, I think I can. You know, I'm working on this. It's a delicate process. 02:11:37
Texting today, no response. 02:11:41
You know I don't. 02:11:43
I didn't think it was going to be a big deal. 02:11:45
Look from listening tonight. 02:11:47
I feel like it's a big deal and it shouldn't be. 02:11:48
The last reality developed. 02:11:52
I'm not putting in infrastructure. 02:11:54
They've been there. 02:11:55
It's the Tele business park it's been dormant for. 02:11:56
Shoot, I don't know however long it's been built. 02:12:00
Probably 15 years. 02:12:04
I bought these things two years ago. 02:12:06
Finally decided to build something. 02:12:11
Submit my permit before all of this talk. 02:12:13
No one has called me except for Chris. 02:12:16
Only because I think I called him first did I call you first, I think. 02:12:18
So no one even called. 02:12:22
So basically, my permit was going to die on the vine. 02:12:24
This was going to get passed and then when I called and checked on my permit I feel confident it would have been. 02:12:27
Sorry, the Council just passed. 02:12:32
Moratorium last night. 02:12:34
That's not fair. 02:12:36
You know, I met all the other requirements. 02:12:38
There was no moratorium. 02:12:40
My plans are submitted. 02:12:41
It's just. 02:12:43
Literally. 02:12:44
A9 office building. 02:12:45
I don't know, it just it doesn't make sense to me. 02:12:49
On this project. 02:12:51
Thank you for your time. 02:12:53
Thank you, Jeff, can I address any of that? You can't. Yes, Sir. 02:12:54
Absolutely. So there there are two commercial developments that are in this really problematic basin. 02:12:57
His is 1. We have both of those plans. 02:13:03
In the review process right now, I've been in contact with the engineers for the larger one. 02:13:06
I've been doing the analysis on his myself. 02:13:11
I think that I'm going to be able to let his go through. 02:13:15
But all of that wastewater? 02:13:19
It includes all of the hospital, all of Walmart. 02:13:22
All of Shadow Log, all of Brant Creek Apartments. 02:13:25
The 100 and 4844 units of. 02:13:29
Of Seacoast departments is under construction. 02:13:33
The paddocks phase one, which is already approved. 02:13:35
And it's going to a pump station which is running 20 hours a day. 02:13:39
And is prompting less than the pump station that's from from chat along that's pumping into it. 02:13:43
So it's a serious concern. It's it's not a minor. 02:13:48
Little a minor little issue. It's a serious concern. 02:13:51
And we're working very hard to try to resolve that. 02:13:55
The he texted me today I was meeting with Bill. 02:13:58
Power for Volcker going over all of this stuff. When he texted me, I just had not had a chance to get back to it yet. 02:14:02
But I think I'm going to be able to let that one go. I don't. I'm not sure I can let the other one go. It's much, much larger. 02:14:08
And my concern is we. 02:14:14
We know we have a problem. 02:14:17
We allow development to occur in the basin with the problem. 02:14:18
We get an overflow into. 02:14:22
Dark entry Creek. 02:14:23
And EPD is looking at the fact that we allowed development to continue in a basin. 02:14:25
That we know new did not have capacity to handle development. 02:14:30
So thank you. 02:14:33
Thank you. Thank you. 02:14:36
Good afternoon, Danny Wheeler. 02:14:42
I've got one of the. 02:14:45
Address please. 02:14:46
132 Bryce Ryan, Kingsland, GA. 02:14:49
I don't know one of the, probably one of the. 02:14:51
Most problematic. 02:14:54
Parcel there is. 02:14:55
The developers have this in a contract now for. 02:14:58
Eight months. 02:15:01
This is just come, of course. 02:15:04
Come up. 02:15:07
As an issue. 02:15:08
We know it's problematic. 02:15:10
The only thing I'm asking. 02:15:13
For consideration is. 02:15:16
To come in. 02:15:18
And allow some of these things, some of the process to workout, some of the planning issues, some of the preliminary plat zoning 02:15:21
issues. 02:15:24
That's going to be a part of the process anyway. 02:15:28
With. 02:15:31
Some garbage. 02:15:33
But the developer knows that. 02:15:34
There is no stormwater. 02:15:36
Conveyancer using capacity because again, that's not the issue, it's the conveyance of the sewage. 02:15:38
Clinton, the developer, knew this is an issue and letting them continue on with. 02:15:44
To a certain point. 02:15:49
A part of their project. 02:15:51
The county is doing this. 02:15:54
With Bridgepoint. 02:15:56
In their own private water and sewer. 02:15:58
They're issuing permits. 02:16:01
But with the understanding they're not going to sign off on CEO until. 02:16:04
They have. 02:16:08
Proper documentation. 02:16:11
For being able to tap into or to tap into water. 02:16:13
Consumer umm. 02:16:17
That's the only thing that I'm. 02:16:18
Probably looking for is just the way the discussion. 02:16:22
And the process continue forward because it shaves time on their end. 02:16:25
We're only talking about a nine month. 02:16:29
Solution to fix the problem. 02:16:32
To start a development. 02:16:35
Project, it's going to take every bit of 12 months, every bit. 02:16:37
And of course, there's still going to be. 02:16:41
Communication between. 02:16:44
Developer and. 02:16:46
The city as well so. 02:16:47
We're all still going to be in communication process. 02:16:48
Just allowing the. 02:16:51
Rezoning. 02:16:54
Preliminary class to continue forward. 02:16:55
That's it. I think that's a fair *** Miss Jamie, can you speak to some of that? Why? Just asking for some preliminary stuff 02:16:58
before. 02:17:02
You know, I think there was a memo that I wrote about this to council. 02:17:08
And one of the things I want to be clear about is I am being very forthright. 02:17:13
With the development community about this, exactly what Mr. Wheeler said. 02:17:17
I'm letting people know about that. 02:17:21
And it's a line in the sand. 02:17:24
So from one perspective. 02:17:25
Yes, we could allow it to continue and move forward and entitle land. 02:17:27
Perhaps without the infrastructure to support that development. 02:17:33
But if you're on the side of negotiating a contract and you hear news? 02:17:36
From the development director. 02:17:41
That that. 02:17:43
That conveyance may not be there for you when you're ready to go. 02:17:44
They thanked me for that information. So these are these, this is a very difficult, it's very complex. 02:17:49
I understand the concern. 02:17:55
But you know, I think that this is. 02:17:58
A moment we. 02:18:01
Where there are several different players in these. 02:18:02
Contracts and in development. 02:18:07
And. 02:18:09
It's difficult, if not impossible, for my office to understand. 02:18:10
All those different complexities. 02:18:14
So the approach has been give the information. 02:18:16
And when you give the information. 02:18:19
There's many different decisions. Some developers have decided, you know what? 02:18:21
We've invested so much in this project already. 02:18:25
We're going to takedown the land for $1,000,000. 02:18:28
And proceed. 02:18:30
Others tell me. 02:18:31
No, that that's enough. That's a line in the sand. We can't move forward. 02:18:33
So you know, there is an uneasy fix there we're trying to be. 02:18:37
Understanding and accommodating, but I think these conversations. 02:18:43
Need to happen very early on. 02:18:47
The second point I want to make is that in any rezoning or any subdivision. 02:18:48
In the criteria that the Planning Commission is reviewing. 02:18:53
Is this idea of? 02:18:56
Infrastructure and capacity. 02:18:58
And if the development. 02:19:01
Would cause fiscal instability. 02:19:02
For the city. 02:19:05
So those are decisions that the Planning Commission. 02:19:06
Is reviewing and that's long before. 02:19:09
Something gets the civil plan said and and goes vertical. 02:19:12
Thank you. 02:19:17
So if we approve the moratorium. 02:19:19
Today. 02:19:22
We could if we realize. 02:19:24
We could. 02:19:27
Amended. 02:19:28
Midstream if we realize we've created a problem that we don't need or wasn't necessary. 02:19:29
So we can have a work session and we absolutely have every ability to lift the moratorium. 02:19:34
Right now, this is really a. 02:19:40
We need some more information. 02:19:42
You know. 02:19:44
Mr. Blackaby, if, if we. 02:19:48
Like I said, put the moratorium in place and then, as Mr. Amos said. 02:19:51
They determine. 02:19:54
Through this initial valuation that. 02:19:55
Mr. Johnson's project for say was, you know, smaller. 02:19:58
You know. 02:20:02
Could could go through. 02:20:03
Are we OK to allow something like that to go through while the moratorium is on or is that? 02:20:07
I would be uneasy about selectively. 02:20:12
Applying. 02:20:15
If it's. 02:20:17
If it's adopted, it's adopted. I would say it needs to be applied. 02:20:17
But does does the moratorium actually cover? 02:20:24
This project. 02:20:26
Not. Not technically, no. 02:20:28
So. 02:20:30
So I think there's, I think, I think there's a Gray area there either. 02:20:31
Hurry and go start moving dirt. Wow. 02:20:38
I'm sorry, I say. Yes, we're talking. That's right. 02:20:41
OK. Any other discussion? 02:20:47
That's hard. Anything to add? 02:20:51
All right, Thank you all so much. Like I said, I noticed a difficult situation that. 02:20:53
No easy solutions as. 02:21:00
As I've been known to say, nothing but time and money fix all these problems. Amen. 02:21:02
We don't have enough both but. 02:21:07
We'll, we'll, we'll continue to work on it. 02:21:09
So any other discussion? If not, we'll go ahead and. 02:21:13
So we have the motion to. 02:21:18
I said, did we get a motion yet? OK. 02:21:22
So can we have a motion? 02:21:26
On on this issue. 02:21:29
I make a motion that. 02:21:32
Prove the 90 day moratorium. 02:21:34
2nd. 02:21:38
All right, any other discussion? 02:21:41
All those in favor. 02:21:44
All right, any opposed? 02:21:45
That passes unanimous, Amanda. 02:21:49
Yes, Sir. 02:21:50
OK, item I. 02:21:55
Right away encroachment license agreement between City of Saint Mary's and crack and coffee and kitchen. 02:21:57
Company. 02:22:02
Sees creative uses right way pilot program. 02:22:03
Miss King, I mean. 02:22:06
Thank you. 02:22:11
Yeah, I, I, I heard everything that was said this evening. I understand. 02:22:14
Some of our concerns if I can. 02:22:18
Reflect back on when this process started, so in. 02:22:21
Forgive me here I have some notes. 02:22:30
We began discussions with the HPC in December of 2024. 02:22:33
On this and I think that if I. 02:22:38
Recall. 02:22:40
It was, uh. 02:22:41
In the aftermath of the Osborne median. 02:22:43
Being done. 02:22:46
We don't typically put. 02:22:48
Actually, we don't. 02:22:51
Put right of way projects before the HPC. 02:22:52
The Osborne median is an example. 02:22:56
The new beautiful wrapping of the. 02:23:00
Oak trees with lights. These are what I would call right of way improvements. 02:23:03
But because of some of the. 02:23:08
Um, you know. 02:23:11
Recognition that these this these are. 02:23:15
Elements in the historic district and that they should go before. 02:23:18
The Historic Preservation Commission. 02:23:22
For information for. 02:23:25
Feedback. 02:23:27
Not an official certificate of appropriateness, no. 02:23:29
We didn't do that for this particular project, but we did discuss it. 02:23:32
Then, in February of 2025, there was a right of. 02:23:38
Creative uses of the right of way work session. 02:23:42
That Miss Candace Pulliam and I gave. 02:23:45
To you all in that there was a. 02:23:48
Memo, which was done. 02:23:51
Collaboratively with HPC. 02:23:54
That talked about this pilot program I have. 02:23:57
Copies of that here. 02:24:00
It gave a defining boundary. 02:24:02
You know, umm. 02:24:04
Osborne St. 02:24:05
South of Dillingham. 02:24:06
If there is insufficient sidewalk or outdoor space to engage customers. 02:24:09
Challenges with accessibility. 02:24:14
And that the submission must be semi permanent. 02:24:16
So this was kind of. 02:24:19
You know, uh. 02:24:21
Discussed. I'll say that with. 02:24:22
Many different entities. 02:24:24
And then the most recent meeting we had was with the Development Authority of Saint Mary's. 02:24:26
In which we sat with the applicant. 02:24:31
Discuss some of the more design oriented criteria. 02:24:35
Recognizing that there are a lot of parties. 02:24:39
Involved in this design. 02:24:43
The DDA. 02:24:45
DASM Main St. 02:24:47
HPC the applicant. 02:24:48
Everyday residents of Saint Mary's. 02:24:51
You know, my guidance to the applicant was that. 02:24:54
The The Right of Way Encroachment license, which is before you this evening. 02:24:58
Be sought and if that was given the green light. 02:25:03
Then we could begin the design process. 02:25:06
And I know that DASM, the development authority of Saint Mary's. 02:25:10
Wants to support that with a grant. 02:25:14
So that was the thinking, that was the approach. 02:25:16
More than happy to hit the pause button, but just also want to remind you this has been. 02:25:20
A year in discussion. 02:25:24
One of the things that. 02:25:26
You know, as part of the way, the way I understood the process like you said, was that. 02:25:29
And and I have some concerns. I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't know if 600 lbs of water is going to stop a vehicle. 02:25:34
You know, umm. 02:25:40
I do realize that this particular location. 02:25:42
Is relatively short. 02:25:47
From an acceleration standpoint, you know. 02:25:49
Since they're. 02:25:52
You know they can start at the waterfront, but. 02:25:53
They can start the waterfront move and you know, coming off of Saint Mary St. So they could certainly get up to 25 or 35 miles an 02:25:56
hour without much trouble before they reach this area. 02:26:01
And. 02:26:07
You know I. 02:26:09
I'd like to hear eventually when we get into the actual implementation of this. 02:26:10
Um, you know something about? 02:26:15
Steel bollards or something? 02:26:18
You know, that could be decorated, you know. 02:26:20
What are you saying right? 02:26:24
Bobby's better. Shaking his head no, still bothered. 02:26:25
You know, I don't know if there's a way to. 02:26:29
Semi semi permanence down in there or whatever, you know. 02:26:31
But you know, having you know, then you could you could put a decorative. 02:26:36
Encasing on the outside of that you could. 02:26:41
You know, frame it up with someone by eights and some frim and. 02:26:43
It looks like a decorative painted post or something with that metal superstructure underneath. 02:26:47
You know, those are design elements, but those are also things that I want to see. 02:26:53
To make sure that we feel like we have a very safe environment for the folks that are sitting there. 02:26:58
As as. 02:27:03
As that process and that design process goes forward. 02:27:04
But you know, I personally am in favor of the encroachment license to allow that process. 02:27:07
To begin, you know, and then everyone will have an opportunity to. 02:27:12
You know, to talk about that. 02:27:16
But that's. 02:27:18
Well, I don't want to hit pause on it. As Miss Stein pointed out, it's been a year. 02:27:19
But I think Miss Julia had some great points and I wrote a bunch of them down and to use her. 02:27:24
Her words? I think everybody wants this, she said. You know, we have a lot to gain. 02:27:29
From this, and this is a great pilot, you know it is a pilot. 02:27:33
And you know, Krankens doing great. I'd love to see them continue to do great. I'm glad we chose this for the pilot. 02:27:36
But just Simply put. 02:27:44
Why can't we just lower the speed down to 15 miles an hour, you know, and just really just just lower it down to 15 miles an hour? 02:27:45
Let's just make it safe. That seems to be. 02:27:50
The problem? We're still waiting Mr. Blacker be on a verdict, I think. Was it October for the? 02:27:55
The Milton case. 02:28:00
That that case is in the Georgia Supreme Court. Briefs have been submitted and city actually I signed off on one of the briefs in 02:28:01
support of the City of Milton case. 02:28:05
It's not been decided yet. OK. So yeah, it'll be, it'll be spring before we have a determination from the court. I assume so, but 02:28:10
Supreme Court. 02:28:14
Take as much time, but just to address, I mean just to we we want it, We think it's it's it's exactly what we want. We are a 02:28:19
walkable city. Slowing the speed down to 50 miles an hour anyways just makes it even easier for right away pedestrians and it to 02:28:24
be a. 02:28:29
Biking, walking, slow moving downtown, which I think is what everybody wants. 02:28:34
So I would love to see this just go forward, lower the speed to 15 miles an hour. That would be the perfect. 02:28:39
Case scenario. 02:28:43
Well, can you give me a landmark on you said the parklets are from? 02:28:44
Dillingham. 02:28:49
Toward the waterfront. 02:28:50
Where is that exactly? 02:28:52
So Dillingham is right here, right? Yep. 02:28:54
And then just to. 02:28:57
The the end of Osborne. 02:28:59
Yeah, OK. Has there been any other interest than any other businesses thus far? 02:29:02
Yes. How far do those extend on Osborne? 02:29:07
Brackish SO. 02:29:10
If it is a pilot program, kind of like. 02:29:15
The Marina started. 02:29:17
You know that we built. 02:29:18
Small Marina. And then there's a, you know, if it's a successful phase two, phase three maybe in the works if that's down the 02:29:19
street. 02:29:22
So. 02:29:26
To take up the curve if only thus far. 02:29:28
I would suggest possibly us if it is a pilot program if we do move forward reducing. 02:29:30
The area down to East Bryant St. to just incorporate those two blacks and then. 02:29:35
After the pilot program, if we figure it out, it's just on the end. It's a little safer down there than up and down. 02:29:40
I was born this far down. 02:29:45
Then possibly in the future expanding that zone but start it smaller and expand it successfully. Want to do it, I agree. 02:29:47
That's a good idea. 02:29:52
And stable alley is that. Are there reasons why we wouldn't want to use? 02:29:54
That because it's not on the main thoroughfare. 02:30:00
Or are we trying to do a pilot on Osborne? I think one thing is it it is an alley. And so it is significantly. 02:30:04
Smaller there in the right away and. 02:30:11
That road is potentially going to be an egress or ingress, probably egress for the hotel eventually. 02:30:13
Which is one of the reasons I early on mentioned we need to make sure we clip this corner. 02:30:21
Here to allow people to. 02:30:26
Turn off of that, you know, out of that alley, so. 02:30:28
You know, I think that would. 02:30:31
That could potentially, you know, with the hotel development down. 02:30:33
You know would would make that a. 02:30:35
A poor choice because you keep taking up. 02:30:38
Half of that space. 02:30:40
Or more in that roadway. 02:30:41
Yeah, and with it only being a narrow alley to start with, it's only. 02:30:43
20 something feet? 25 feet maybe or. 02:30:48
Hallie. 02:30:52
You know, Bobby, 3636 feet. 02:30:54
OK. Yeah. I mean, I think when these conversations originally started, so. 02:30:57
I think the day that the Kraken open. 02:31:03
I got a phone call. 02:31:06
Asking. 02:31:07
How we can? 02:31:08
Stop parked cars. 02:31:10
From. 02:31:13
Rolling their tires. 02:31:14
All the way up to the sidewalk there and basically being on the sidewalk right by the front door. 02:31:15
That was the first conversation. 02:31:22
This and we thought well. 02:31:24
Maybe let's try to do something creative. 02:31:25
Second topic was. 02:31:29
The crowd. 02:31:32
Gonna head to Cumberland Island. 02:31:34
Could be down there by the water and. 02:31:36
Look up Osborne and see something that. 02:31:38
Sparkles. 02:31:41
And then they head up there to patronize the businesses. Those were really that. Those were the 2. 02:31:42
Ideas. And that's. 02:31:49
And part of me saying reducing his parking altogether. We have events, festivals, parking is limited now. We're taking up spaces. 02:31:51
And I know we're making an ACA space for cracking, but. 02:31:56
You know the the reduced area may be a good idea. 02:32:02
Again, if we move forward. 02:32:05
If we do approve. 02:32:07
The permit tonight. 02:32:08
The encroachment license, the encroachment license, we approve that. 02:32:09
What would be their timeline? 02:32:15
Do you have an idea of what that looks like to be in approving a design and approving? 02:32:17
The structure itself. 02:32:21
Yeah, I. 02:32:24
The Development Authority of Saint Mary's would like to have a. 02:32:27
Kind of a grant program to support this. So I think that that design would have to be done with that other entity. 02:32:31
The applicant is. 02:32:39
Very close with many of the other more. 02:32:41
Legal. 02:32:44
Documents associated with the cafe permits. It's really just that. 02:32:45
Opportunity for collaborative design. 02:32:49
I know that the weather right now is perfect. I know they really want to get started, so I would imagine it's a month. 02:32:52
Floor 2 So it does say that the city. 02:32:58
And change the encroachment area. 02:33:03
At will. 02:33:08
That would mean the design and everything, the safety features, all of that would come back to us in a separate. 02:33:11
That was not the original plan, but we could. 02:33:19
We could do that if if the area changes or if you want to change. 02:33:24
The proposed area. 02:33:29
And I do believe. 02:33:30
I mentioned this to you earlier today, but. 02:33:31
You probably had a chance to look into it, but other cities that have these areas. 02:33:34
Do they have a recommended speed limit or you know, did you have a chance to? 02:33:37
Look at that or. 02:33:42
Yeah. 02:33:43
I didn't think so. I just thought, you know. 02:33:46
I know in the area in Old Town Alexandria where they have. 02:33:49
Just every every store pretty much has one of these. 02:33:51
That road is not open to traffic. Yeah, you know. 02:33:55
So and that might be a future consideration. 02:33:58
That's a possibility. Turn off, turn off Osborne if this becomes a big thing. But. 02:34:03
I don't know that's. 02:34:06
Those are all the issues. 02:34:08
You know that we. 02:34:10
Yeah, and it is a pilot. 02:34:11
But could we have the cafe applications completed with the safety features etcetera? 02:34:14
Come back. 02:34:22
To us. 02:34:23
To take a look at. 02:34:24
I think, you know, we need to really look at our liability issues and also. 02:34:29
Make sure the design. 02:34:35
Features are in keeping with. 02:34:37
What we want? 02:34:39
I agree. I mean, I love the idea. 02:34:41
I think it's it would be great for us. 02:34:43
It's not a typical process in the city's cafe permit ordinance, but I think if you were to. 02:34:49
Requested. I don't see any problem. 02:34:56
I think like I said, maybe maybe since just just for this first one and and. 02:34:59
You know, like I said, because it is in the pilot nature, but. 02:35:03
You know, as we move down the road, I don't think we necessarily want to be stepping on the toes and slowing progress, but I could 02:35:06
see for this first one, you know, maybe taking that additional step so. 02:35:11
And could we? 02:35:17
Modify anything in order to make that happen. 02:35:19
So could we task? 02:35:22
City with checking on speed limit. 02:35:25
For the area that we are going to make the pilot area in. 02:35:29
Do we want to? 02:35:32
Make that area smaller. I think that's a good idea too. Yeah, I do believe so, because at least at the end of the road it is a 02:35:36
safer area because it's at the end. 02:35:40
Especially. 02:35:47
From the waterfront towards Kraken. 02:35:48
But yeah. 02:35:51
I definitely want us to visit. 02:35:52
Speed concerns and. 02:35:55
Safety and liability. I mean, we had this thing on hold. 02:35:56
And I guess I'd. 02:35:59
Almost for a period of time forgotten about the Milton case and it has yet to be resolved. We want to make sure that. 02:36:01
We are not at liability. 02:36:06
Yeah, that happened in 2016, by the way. 02:36:07
Yeah, yeah. 02:36:10
So OK. 02:36:13
Are we ready to vote? 02:36:14
Yes, all those in favor of the right away. 02:36:15
Approachment license agreement. 02:36:20
Approval. Uh. 02:36:22
No motion. I make a motion. 02:36:23
We proceed forward and approve this. 02:36:28
2nd. 02:36:31
And can we? 02:36:32
Add to that that the. 02:36:34
This first cafe permit. 02:36:36
Comes back to Council. 02:36:40
The city, they're turning and they said that we didn't need to put that in this. 02:36:44
This is the past. 02:36:47
OK. All right. 02:36:50
And it's coming back here, Yeah, before anything else happens. 02:36:51
Yeah, alright. Need a second? Alright. 02:36:54
Any other discussion? 02:36:57
All those in favor. 02:37:00
Aye, any opposed? 02:37:02
Any abstentions? 02:37:06
OK. I didn't see Mr. Jones move down there, but I'm going to say he approved so. 02:37:07
I read that somewhere. 02:37:14
Alright, let's see that. 02:37:16
Sir. Oh. 02:37:21
I think our. 02:37:24
Young lady with the department. 02:37:25
Of America. 02:37:27
Revolution is here. 02:37:29
If you so we read your proclamation. 02:37:31
Earlier. 02:37:34
Is there any more waters down there? 02:37:39
Is there another water over there? 02:37:42
That one, unopened. Perfect. 02:37:44
It's warm. Yeah, it's wet. That's right. 02:37:47
No, we have. 02:37:54
All right. Thank you very much. Quick, I promise. Thank you. One minute. 02:37:59
Right. 02:38:11
Thank you so much. 02:38:18
In reality, my mother wrote most of it. 02:38:20
Yes, Sir. 02:38:31
Alrighty. 02:38:34
We have item. 02:38:36
PP What happened? 02:38:38
Hey, my bathroom. Right. You you stay here long enough, I guess you got to go. Well, we have a quorum still. What? 02:38:41
See these anonymous P Yeah, P is is appropriate. 02:38:48
Fourth quarter town hall and development progress update. 02:38:53
This was just for clarity. You had a 5:00 PM and a six PM. What is is it two different times for two different things? 02:38:57
Yes, Sir, you have the development. 02:39:04
Progress update at 5:00 and then the fourth quarter is at 6. 02:39:06
OK, gotcha. October 2nd. Thank you. 02:39:10
Is it? That's it. 02:39:13
All right. So is everybody else OK with that? We'll get a motion to approve those? 02:39:14
They it's already set. 02:39:18
This is just in case you all need to it's. It's automatically set as this. 02:39:20
All right, so we don't need to vote. 02:39:24
OK. 02:39:26
And our last item was item R of Mr. Nascimentos. 02:39:28
Agenda item 2. 02:39:34
Use former military as. 02:39:36
Possible volunteers to supplement security in the schools. 02:39:39
Obviously is something that will would. 02:39:44
Eventually have to go before the school board for their approval on their property, but. 02:39:46
Certainly. 02:39:52
Open up the discussion, what you had in mind there I'll be, I'll be quick because I know we've been here a long time. One of the 02:39:53
things probably second to the roundabout on Winding and Colerain is my. 02:39:58
My phone and e-mail box being flooded with. 02:40:04
You know there's. 02:40:07
An obvious raise in temperature in the country, I think in the last two weeks we had. 02:40:09
3 instances in a middle. 02:40:13
In a elementary and in the high school. 02:40:15
With school threats, of course, you had the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 02:40:18
And, umm. 02:40:21
Parents in particular. 02:40:23
Understandably, are Ultra concerned about the safety of their young people in schools. 02:40:25
And I've had tons of people that message on a weekly basis. What are we doing about that? And of course, the school board, this is 02:40:30
their property, would have the big say. 02:40:35
But what I would like to propose is there are so many people that are former. 02:40:39
Military veterans, we have both active and former law enforcement that would love to volunteer their time. 02:40:44
To patrol our schools into, to Mr. Larry White's point, that is something that would need to be discussed. What would they be able 02:40:52
to do? 02:40:56
That would be a question for Mr. Galloway. He left. 02:41:00
Early and he maybe he'd be able to speak to it. 02:41:03
But I would like people even listening to look up Jefferson City School District in Georgia. 02:41:06
They have implemented this and had great success. I believe they started it in 2022. Also looking at best securing America. 02:41:11
As another thing to look up if you wanted to go to. 02:41:19
Private route which I believe we have enough volunteers we wouldn't even need to. 02:41:21
Go with an outside organization. 02:41:25
But if I could task anything, I would love to task the the staff to just go to the school board about that and for the people that 02:41:27
are either in this room. 02:41:31
That think that might be a good idea? Well, for the people listening at home. 02:41:35
I would challenge you to e-mail your school board and to start bringing this before them the. 02:41:38
They would like to see. I think it's Peace of Mind for the parents. 02:41:43
As a parent of three. 02:41:45
Two teenagers and an 8 year old. I know this would make me feel better. 02:41:48
But I think it's something that people want to do, something people want to help. This wouldn't be a burden on the school nor on 02:41:52
the city and and this is something that would that would both make it safer and I'd much rather see. 02:41:58
Somebody that loves our country and loves our kids with a. 02:42:05
Bright colored vests patrolling our school rather than a big huge fence wrapped around. 02:42:08
You know, a playground like where Alcatraz, I think that's not a look that we want in Saint Mary's. 02:42:13
And I would much rather see this go into. 02:42:18
Fruition, but that that's all I got. 02:42:21
If you guys want to add anything to it, yeah. 02:42:22
Yeah, OK. 02:42:27
You know, I just wanted to point out that Saint Mary's. 02:42:29
Was very proactive after Chief Galloway came on board here. You know, we were short. 02:42:31
Staffed and he's done a great job of filling out our police force. 02:42:36
And at that time. 02:42:40
You know the county. 02:42:43
The sheriff at the time had, you know. 02:42:44
Made a promise to put a, you know, officer a school. 02:42:47
Resource officer at every school. Well, they weren't staffed well enough and it wasn't being taken care of where they were. 02:42:50
Kind of sharing schools and making a rotation and especially the elementary schools, you know, they didn't have a whole lot of. 02:42:55
A force present. 02:43:02
And she valued took it personal, wanted to make sure that Saint Mary's was covered. So Saint Mary's is actually proactive and does 02:43:04
have a school resource officer at every school in Saint Mary's. 02:43:09
So that being said, you know before it goes to the school board. 02:43:14
I think that we should actually. 02:43:19
Discuss it with, you know, our school Resource Officer program. 02:43:20
And see if they, you know, have a. 02:43:23
You know, and A and need, but B you know, want to put together a program where they do work with volunteer citizens to help patrol 02:43:25
the schools. I, I kind of like it reminds me of Beverly Hills cop. You know, we can call it cop citizens on patrol. So anyways. 02:43:33
Sorry. 02:43:42
80s movies. But anyways, I think that we should start with our law enforcement and, you know, see if there's a need and they want 02:43:43
to help incorporate that program with the volunteers and then they can help present it to the school board is something we want to 02:43:47
proceed with. 02:43:50
One thing I will. 02:43:54
Share with. 02:43:56
Everybody. 02:43:57
That what the school system. 02:43:58
I have a press box. 02:44:01
Crew at the football games. 02:44:02
And I have to submit my list. 02:44:03
Volunteers. 02:44:06
For approval from the school system. 02:44:08
An RPM to work. 02:44:11
After school. 02:44:13
So that would be not just that the high school would be every school system, so. 02:44:15
And it's just a. 02:44:21
They're just betting out and making sure everybody's good to go. 02:44:23
And. 02:44:26
It's my understanding from what I've read online. 02:44:27
I hadn't talked to Doctor Green about this or anything. 02:44:31
But it's my understanding that they're going to have in middle school and high school. 02:44:34
They're actually going to have. 02:44:39
The devices at all the doors that's going to. 02:44:40
Beep or whatever if somebody would come in there with with any type of metal or whatever. 02:44:43
So I think that's a good thing. So Jeremy, my question for you would be. 02:44:48
Are you talking about those people being within the school all day long? 02:44:51
Or you're talking about those people being. 02:44:56
On board school and after school only. 02:44:58
Or just patrolling the area about you. But it's someone. It's a deterrent. We have a watchdog program at our church. 02:45:01
Or periodically people are both walking the halls and they're walking outside. 02:45:08
And. 02:45:13
It's a deterrent that just someone sees them, they're actively patrolling. 02:45:14
From anything happened and you don't have to have someone there all six hours. Maybe someone wants to take 3 and another. That's 02:45:18
two people a day. 02:45:21
That's if you did 3 and 3. 02:45:25
You know, from the start of school to the end of school, it's not like it would take a bunch of time, but it would be a deterrent 02:45:26
from anybody trying to do something. 02:45:30
And usually that's enough. 02:45:34
Well, you know Doctor Green at the high school, which is our Superintendent. 02:45:36
She is totally awesome. 02:45:41
And she does a great job in dumb. 02:45:42
Keeping our kids safe is the number one most important thing. From her. From her. 02:45:45
I'm sure in the number 22 thing is probably. 02:45:49
Dang, I'm not gonna say that. Education and then Wildcats. 02:45:53
So I'll just put it like that. 02:45:56
But yeah, thank you. 02:45:58
No, OK. 02:45:59
Thank you and and like I said, I know, I know. 02:46:03
Jeremy said that you mentioned it, the chief got away before he had to go and and. 02:46:05
He showed some. 02:46:09
Positive. Yeah, you know. 02:46:11
Thoughts about it and so? 02:46:12
Definitely we can. 02:46:14
Continue those conversations with him and. 02:46:15
Look at some of the programs these other places have and then unless they maybe take that to the school board. 02:46:18
And I see. 02:46:24
See what we can get out of. 02:46:25
OK. Thank you. 02:46:27
Madam Clerk, I think we're ready for the announcement of our calendar. 02:46:30
Yes, Sir. 02:46:35
On Friday, September the 19th at 9:00 AM here in Council Chambers, we have St. Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignments. 02:46:43
That first one will be trials. 02:46:49
Also which will be added today after this meeting is at 10:00 AM meeting. 02:46:51
On Friday, September the 19th from the Development Authority Saint Mary's, they will have a work session regarding the DASM Works 02:46:56
website and that will be held at the Ward Hernandez Building. 02:47:01
Again, that would be Friday, September the 19th at 9:00 AM. 02:47:06
Followed by the 11:00. 02:47:09
Saint Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignments here in council chambers. 02:47:11
On Tuesday, September the 23rd. 02:47:15
At 2:00 PM, we'll have a request for proposal construction. 02:47:17
Of the two recreational tennis courts hearing council chambers. 02:47:21
Also on Tuesday, September the 23rd. 02:47:24
At 3:30 PM in the Ward Handedness building, we'll have the Saint Mary's Convention and Visitors Bureau. 02:47:27
Authority meeting. 02:47:31
Followed by the 5:30 PM Historic Preservation Commission meeting here in Council Chambers. 02:47:33
On Wednesday, October the 1st at 5:00 PM in the Main Street office is Development Authority. 02:47:39
Of Saint Mary's meeting. 02:47:43
On Thursday. 02:47:45
October the 2nd. 02:47:46
At 2:00 PM in the Planning and Building conference room is the Tree Board meeting. 02:47:48
And on Friday, September the 3rd. 02:47:52
At 9:00 AM here in Council chambers will have Saint Mary's Municipal Court plan arraignment and on Monday, October the 6th at 6:00 02:47:55
PM. 02:47:58
The City Council meeting here in chambers, Sir. All right. Thank you, Madam. 02:48:02
All right, council member comment. 02:48:07
Anybody have anything they want to add after this 3 1/2 hours? 02:48:11
I passed my bedtime or that Georgia game the other night. 02:48:16
Never had a doubt. 02:48:21
Hell. 02:48:23
I do want to say that we did have a lot of good citizen comments tonight. 02:48:25
And on Nick Harris, his situation at farm to family. 02:48:29
I mean, I can see where that's a real situation. 02:48:34
I know that when. 02:48:37
Chris at Magic Market. 02:48:39
You know, a couple years ago. 02:48:42
You know, he actually had to have a request to to. 02:48:44
You know, for, uh. 02:48:47
Open houses like his parking lot would get flooded. 02:48:48
During big functions right here across the street and he had no parking for his customers and that was a big issue for him. 02:48:51
I know that some people criticized him for even saying anything about the school, but that's, you know, that's his private 02:48:57
property, his business. And a lot of citizens stood up for Chris and and he's a good person to the community. And, you know, he he 02:49:03
shouldn't lose money because there's a function at the school. The parking should be where it's supposed to be. 02:49:08
Now, in Mr. Harris's case, under that is city parking on the street in front of his business. 02:49:14
So he's not 100% entitled to it. 02:49:20
But. 02:49:22
I have noticed that there are signs to use crosswalks there. 02:49:23
We may have to actually enforce that because it is a safety concern. There are children that don't across the road. I drive that 02:49:28
every morning on the way to work. 02:49:32
And I have dodged a child or two that just starts running out across that median. It is a dangerous spot. 02:49:36
We do have student resource officers there or school resource officers there. 02:49:41
You know, I think that we should help Mr. Harris and maybe, you know. 02:49:46
Give some warnings at first, but just try to deter parents from walking across that medium before and after school so they're not 02:49:50
encouraged to park. 02:49:53
In front of his business. I'm sure that's a big time for him and if. 02:49:57
He says he's losing money. I don't disagree with. I'm sure that he is and it could be. 02:50:01
You know, solved if he did have some parking spaces and. 02:50:04
In front of his business. So I think it's something we should take a look at. 02:50:08
You know what? That's it. Go dogs. 02:50:11
What what was the reason we couldn't have like the Is it just because the city? 02:50:15
Parking for everybody that we couldn't have a timer. 02:50:18
Where it, you know, like he mentioned, you know, 15 minutes or. 02:50:21
Yeah, and that's not. 02:50:26
OK. Because I mean, I thought that was actually the best idea for that. 02:50:29
OK. Anyone else? 02:50:35
All right for reporter the mayor. 02:50:38
I will echo the go dogs. 02:50:40
You, you know. You are some things by heart, you know. 02:50:44
Even even if there are those that aren't. 02:50:48
But I appreciate everybody. 02:50:51
All the comments you know. 02:50:54
Sometimes. 02:50:57
People don't think that we're listening, you know they're. 02:50:59
There are a lot of things going on obviously and and we do hear you. 02:51:02
And we are. 02:51:06
Trying to. 02:51:07
Address a myriad of problems and and issues. 02:51:09
And. 02:51:12
You know, just as. 02:51:14
This the issue with the moratorium today. You know there are some major problems, you know that that. 02:51:15
Require a lot of time as well. It doesn't mean. 02:51:22
We're not listening. 02:51:24
To the individual problems. 02:51:25
You know and. 02:51:29
And as Mr. Daniels. 02:51:30
Spoke about, you know, some of the ongoing issues at some of our housing. 02:51:32
Properties you know. 02:51:37
People are being impacted. 02:51:39
Cities trying to dig in and. 02:51:41
Address some of these things. I appreciate the time and the effort that staff. 02:51:43
Are putting into that and. 02:51:47
I know it's not easy. They're tough decisions and. 02:51:49
We we are working on them and we always appreciate you reminding us. 02:51:53
But but progress is slow and we are, but we are making progress so and I thank you for that, so. 02:52:00
With that, I'll entertain a motion for adjournment. 02:52:07
Remove. 02:52:10
Second by Mr. All those in favor. 02:52:15
Aye, that's unanimous now. 02:52:17
Hey, Cortana. 02:52:20
3 1/2 hours, what you got? 02:52:23