Meeting: City Council Meeting (1st Monday)

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	All right, let's get started.	00:00:06
	Welcome to the Cinco de Mayo version of the City Council meeting of Saint Mary's.	00:00:11
	It's the only Spanish I know I think.	00:00:18
	Anyway, I'd like to welcome everyone here to the.	00:00:21
	Regular scheduled City Council meeting for May 5th and we're going to begin tonight with our invocation by.	00:00:25
	Councilmember Mr. Connors.	00:00:31
	If you please, rise and join us in prayer.	00:00:33
	Your father, thank you. Thank you for the people that come out to our City Council meetings, Lord.	00:00:40
	Over and guide the citizens within the city of Saint Mary's Continue to guide.	00:00:45
	Council members that are on the council and our mayor to be able to make the best decisions we possibly can for the City of Saint	00:00:50
	Mary's.	00:00:54
	Thank you, Lord, for all the people that work so diligently with the city of Saint Mary's, making it what it is. We couldn't do	00:00:58
	without them.	00:01:02
	In God's name I pray. Amen. Amen.	00:01:09
	Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.	00:01:13
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:17
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:20
	Thank you.	00:01:27
	And we'll now have our roll call.	00:01:29
	Yes, Sir, Councilman Jones, Postman.	00:01:30
	Here.	00:01:33
	Here.	00:01:35
	Ingram Hills 3 here.	00:01:36
	Councilmember Nassimanto Post forward.	00:01:38
	Councillor Grassi post 5 here.	00:01:41
	Counselor Keen Post 6 present Mayor Lockhart. I'm here, man. Sir, we have a quorum. Thank you. And for the record, a unanimous	00:01:44
	vote is a vote of six. Yes, Sir.	00:01:48
	OK. We had a little bit of e-mail trouble I believe over the weekend potentially and so minutes might not have gotten to everyone,	00:01:54
	so.	00:01:58
	Entertain a motion to table the minutes for approval to the next City Council meeting on the 19th.	00:02:04
	2nd A motion by Mr. Ingram, and a second by Mr. Racy.	00:02:10
	Any other?	00:02:15
	And I've been reminded to ask you to please vote not not.	00:02:17
	Not only verbally, but also with the show of hands.	00:02:22
	All those in favor.	00:02:25
	All right. And that's unanimous, Madam.	00:02:26
	Yes, Sir.	00:02:30
	All right. Thank you.	00:02:31
	So our first presentation is a proclamation.	00:02:33
	And let's see if I can read.	00:02:38
	Read this one.	00:02:40
	So the first one is a.	00:02:41
	UH proclamation for Professional Municipal clerks week.	00:02:46
	The Office of the Professional whereas the Office of the Professional Municipal Clerks is a time honored and vital part of local	00:02:50
	government which exists throughout the world.	00:02:54
	The municipal clerks profession is one of the oldest among public servants, which traces back to biblical times and.	00:02:59
	Whereas municipal clerks.	00:03:05
	Provide a professional link between citizens, local governing bodies.	00:03:07
	And departments of government.	00:03:11
	Professional missile.	00:03:13
	Municipal clerks.	00:03:15
	Have pledged to be ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality.	00:03:16
	Rendering equal service to all and whereas municipal clerks.	00:03:20
	Serve as the Information Center on functions of local government and community.	00:03:24
	They continually strive to improve administration of the affairs in the office of the Professional Municipal Clerk through	00:03:29
	participation in education programs, seminars, workshops.	00:03:35
	And annual meetings of their state and international professional organizations.	00:03:40
	And whereas it is most appropriate that we recognize accomplishments.	00:03:45
	Of municipal clerks as they celebrate the 56th anniversary.	00:03:49
	Professional Municipal Clerk Week.	00:03:53
	Now, therefore, I Gregory Lockhart, Mayor of Saint Mary's, Georgia.	00:03:55
	Do hereby proclaim the week of May 4th to May 10th.	00:03:59
	2025 as professional Municipal Clerk Week.	00:04:02
	We further extend appreciation to our professional municipal clerk, Deborah Walker Reed.	00:04:06
	And all professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform.	00:04:11
	And their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent.	00:04:15
	And witnessed thereof, I am here unto set my hand.	00:04:19
	This fifth day of May, in the year of our Lord 2025.	00:04:22
	Well, and thank you, Miss.	00:04:26
	Thank you.	00:04:28
	Our second proclamation is for National Public Works Week.	00:04:34
	Whereas public works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities and services that are of vital importance to the	00:04:40
	sustainable.	00:04:44
	And resilient communities.	00:04:47
	And to public health, high quality of life and well-being of the people of the city of Saint Mary's, Georgia.	00:04:49
	And whereas these infrastructure facilities and services could not be provided.	00:04:54
	Without the dedicated efforts of public works professionals.	00:04:59
	Who are engineers, managers and employees at all levels of government and the private sector?	00:05:02
	Who are responsible for rebuilding, improving and protecting our nation's transportation?	00:05:08
	Water supply, water treatment, and solid waste systems.	00:05:13
	Public buildings and other structures and facilities.	00:05:17
	Essentials for our citizens.	00:05:20
	And whereas it is in the public interest for the citizens, civic leaders.	00:05:22
	And children in the city of Saint Mary's, Georgia, to gain knowledge of and maintain an ongoing interest in understanding.	00:05:26
	Of the importance of public works.	00:05:33
	And public works programs in their respective communities.	00:05:36
	And WHEREAS, the year 2025 marks the 65th annual National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association,	00:05:39
	Canadian Public Works Association.	00:05:44
	Be it now resolved, I, Gregory Lockhart, Mayor of the City of Saint Mary's, do hereby designate the week of May 18th.	00:05:50
	Through 24th, 2025.	00:05:56
	As National Public's work week.	00:05:59
	I urge all citizens to join with representatives of the American Public Works Association.	00:06:01
	And government agencies and activities, events and ceremonies.	00:06:06
	Designed to pay tribute to our public works professionals, engineers, managers and employees.	00:06:10
	And to recognize the substantial contribution contributions they make.	00:06:15
	To protecting our National Health, safety and advancing quality of life for all.	00:06:19
	In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand, and cause the seal of the city to be affixed.	00:06:24
	They today, May 5th.	00:06:29
	All right. Thank you very much to our public works as well as you need a little water there.	00:06:32
	Sorry, thank you to our public works.	00:06:37
	Employees and.	00:06:39
	All they do here in our city.	00:06:41
	A lot of times it goes unnoticed the work that both our clerks.	00:06:43
	And our public works employees do behind the scenes to.	00:06:47
	Make make the city run.	00:06:50
	Effectively and efficiently.	00:06:52
	We have board appointments.	00:06:54
	New board We have one vacant seat for the Tax Allocation district #3 Advisory Board.	00:06:57
	We have a board appointment.	00:07:04
	Term expiration for Camden County Board of Education sex education.	00:07:06
	Instructional review committee.	00:07:10
	And we have a hospital authority.	00:07:13
	Uh, Patricia Stevens.	00:07:17
	Term is expiring and we do have.	00:07:19
	A application.	00:07:22
	From Miss Judy *****.	00:07:24
	Anybody would want to make a motion.	00:07:26
	Already, Mr. Jones, And is there a second?	00:07:30
	Second by Mr. Rassi.	00:07:33
	Is there any discussion?	00:07:35
	All those in favor.	00:07:37
	Aye.	00:07:38
	Any that was unanimous.	00:07:40
	OK. Thank you.	00:07:42
	Welcome to the Hospital Authority, Miss *****.	00:07:44
	And thank you for your willingness to serve there so.	00:07:48
	And we also have.	00:07:50
	The Saint Mary's Library board.	00:07:52
	Term expiration from Denise.	00:07:55
	Denise Proctor's position so.	00:07:57
	If you have any interest in serving on any of these boards or.	00:07:59
	Authorities, we certainly appreciate your willingness to.	00:08:04
	To put in an application and.	00:08:08
	Sir, thank you.	00:08:11
	And so now we are to the Finance Report.	00:08:13
	Miss Miss Marsha, click in our finance director.	00:08:20
	Good evening, Mayor and Council.	00:08:24
	In your council package, you will find an overview of the city's revenue and expenditures through March the 31st.	00:08:27
	2025, which is the 9th month of the fiscal year FY25.	00:08:34
	Other reports are on a cash basis.	00:08:39
	Are there any questions?	00:08:43
	Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.	00:08:47
	Thank you and.	00:08:52
	I also want to mention that we had a.	00:08:54
	Very productive and long day last last Monday with the.	00:08:56
	With the finance department and our city manager as we worked on our city budget and we hope to have a.	00:09:00
	A budget for y'all to review here in the next couple of weeks.	00:09:06
	Mr. Horton.	00:09:12
	Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council citizens.	00:09:16
	Starting off the Manager's report and Public Works, the LAMEG 2025 has been advertised, which is the southern portion of Mission	00:09:20
	Trace Dr.	00:09:24
	The bid opening is June the 5th.	00:09:29
	The City Hall bid opening is May 29th.	00:09:33
	The Exit 1 fire station bid opening June the 3rd.	00:09:36
	The bid opening.	00:09:40
	We have bid openings this week for the emergency generators, which is part of the JIMA grant.	00:09:42
	The Boeing bid for Charlie Smith Senior Highway, Colerain Road and Dilworth St.	00:09:49
	Moving ahead.	00:09:59
	And our grants.	00:10:01
	The community development.	00:10:04
	Plan first application.	00:10:05
	Do the 15th of this month the Safe Streets for all safety action planning.	00:10:08
	Grant is due the 26th of June.	00:10:14
	The MRR Library roof grant application is due.	00:10:17
	Working with the US Army Corps of Engineers on potential funding for the following projects. The Saint Mary St. Flood mitigation	00:10:23
	Fire Station 2 bunker in the kitchen Fire Station 2 training facility.	00:10:29
	The aquatic training center swimming pool at Aquatic Center.	00:10:35
	And the Saint Mary's Road.	00:10:39
	Resurfacing.	00:10:41
	In it they're working through.	00:10:43
	They're working through fixing equipment and upgrades as possible this week.	00:10:47
	Cybersecurity. They're doing cybersecurity certificate training.	00:10:52
	Managing and coordinating vendors for all city projects. the IT road map is in the final planning.	00:10:56
	Is underway.	00:11:03
	Looking into server replacements for 2027.	00:11:04
	Going to start replacing computers at PD as a.	00:11:09
	Arrive and working on Windows 11 upgrade.	00:11:13
	Project with Neos.	00:11:17
	In our finance department.	00:11:19
	There will be a council workshop for the 26th.	00:11:21
	FY20 6 Budget on May the 12th at 5:30 PM.	00:11:25
	Again.	00:11:31
	There will be a.	00:11:32
	Council workshop for the FY20 6 budget on May 12th.	00:11:33
	Beginning at 5:30 PM.	00:11:37
	A public hearing.	00:11:40
	Will be for the 26th. Budget will be held on May 19th getting at 5:30.	00:11:42
	So please mark that on your council or on your calendars council.	00:11:50
	Our Police Department during the month of April, Police Department answered 3399 calls for service.	00:11:55
	The Police Department conducted 1164 security checks.	00:12:02
	There were 46 arrests, which included 26 narcotic cases.	00:12:07
	For Duis.	00:12:11
	The Police Department conduct or completed 110 case reports, 13 accident reports. The Police Department conducted 493 traffic	00:12:13
	stops, issuing 182 citations.	00:12:20
	There are currently 2 certified officers on the crossover.	00:12:27
	Phase for the employment process.	00:12:31
	In our fire department.	00:12:34
	April for April.	00:12:36
	Total calls were 243.	00:12:38
	Average response times 3 minutes, 4 seconds.	00:12:40
	Average response time for EMS is 4 minutes, 9 seconds.	00:12:44
	They conducted 70 fire inspections. The department has received a $750 donation from the National Home Sprinkler Association.	00:12:49
	To build a sprinkler prop for education purposes.	00:12:56
	The building department, they've had 445 inspections, 58 E&S inspections, issue, 37 certificate of occupancies.	00:13:00
	In our community development department.	00:13:11
	Has transitioned all Planning Commission, historic preservation Commission and site development plan applications to cloud permit.	00:13:13
	Bringing the planning module of the cloud permit live marks.	00:13:21
	The final piece of the transition is city permitting to fully digital.	00:13:26
	Over the next month, staff will be working with applicants to help.	00:13:31
	With the transition, that is one of our master plan items that we're being able to check off.	00:13:35
	And.	00:13:44
	I believe.	00:13:46
	That concludes my report proceeding.	00:13:55
	Any questions?	00:13:59
	Thank you.	00:14:01
	Any questions from Mr. Horton?	00:14:02
	Are we? I do have a question about the ditch.	00:14:04
	Maintenance, it says Crooked River Plantation ditch maintenance and alcohol area maintenance.	00:14:08
	It was estimated to be completed by the end of.	00:14:15
	April. So how are we doing on that?	00:14:19
	It's complete.	00:14:23
	OK.	00:14:27
	So.	00:14:29
	Oh, would you come to the mic please?	00:14:32
	So the question was all right, is Crooked River including the outfall area?	00:14:43
	Completed.	00:14:48
	As far as I know they have moved on to the start. They're moving on to the Somerset area in Chateau.	00:14:49
	OK, so the only remaining issue there is the.	00:14:55
	Privately owned.	00:15:00
	Over driveways that are.	00:15:01
	On our right of way, the culverts correct.	00:15:04
	And clearing eyes. So have we made any progress with?	00:15:07
	Solving that.	00:15:12
	Probably things that we talked about during the budget session about trying to have a work session on to.	00:15:15
	Workshop not only.	00:15:20
	Preferred methodology of cleaning out but also the legal issues.	00:15:21
	And cost, you know, if required, if we're going to be providing a?	00:15:25
	The service, you know whether or not we need to have any kind of fees for that or so we'll.	00:15:30
	We get that schedule.	00:15:35
	Yeah, great. Thank you very much.	00:15:37
	Yes.	00:15:42
	OK.	00:15:45
	Thank you, Mr. Horton.	00:15:47
	So we will now go with the.	00:15:49
	Specifying the consent agenda.	00:15:53
	So we have old business ordinance amendment.	00:15:55
	Zoning planned.	00:15:58
	Development District.	00:16:00
	Chapter 110. Section 11080, Item 8.	00:16:01
	And Senator, discuss.	00:16:07
	We did.	00:16:09
	Kind of discussed at last meeting.	00:16:10
	I'll unless anyone wants to discuss it, I'll say I consent the item.	00:16:13
	Consent, consent, consent. Consent.	00:16:17
	OK. We also have under old business the amendment Chapter 86 for subdivisions.	00:16:22
	Consent. Consent.	00:16:29
	Under new business, we have the Saint Mary's Park commerce interest signs. We will need to discuss that because we have a choice	00:16:33
	to make there.	00:16:36
	Yes, Sir.	00:16:41
	Mr. Scott, Approval of revised item B Approval of revised easement agreements with Radiant Saint Mary's LLC Discuss.	00:16:42
	Discuss. Yeah.	00:16:51
	It's already been approved.	00:16:53
	Item C Saint Mary's Intercoastal Gateway Marina seasonal dock space for Camden County residents.	00:16:56
	Consent. Consent.	00:17:02
	Item D.	00:17:09
	Rezoning request for tax parcel 135F004B from R3.	00:17:10
	Which is medium and high density multifamily residential.	00:17:16
	Item E Minor subdivision final plat request for tax. Parcel 160C060 Paula and Glenn, sorry.	00:17:24
	Item F Minor subdivision Final flat request for tax Parcel 148 A OH 53.	00:17:36
	Item G Minor subdivision Final plat request for tax. Parcel 140-8031.	00:17:47
	Conservation.	00:17:53
	Item H Rezoning request for 118 2nd St. from R1 single family to R2.	00:17:57
	I think it's involved me. Can we table that for about two months?	00:18:04
	You can talk about that during our public.	00:18:10
	Hearing session.	00:18:13
	Item I Minor subdivision Final request for tax Partial parcel 135, E 02/08.	00:18:19
	Consent. Consent.	00:18:26
	Item J.	00:18:31
	Mission trace culvert replacement.	00:18:33
	Contract.	00:18:35
	Discuss. Yes, discuss.	00:18:36
	Item K Budget Ordinance Amendment FY20 25 General fund donation received for tree board consent.	00:18:41
	And item L Georgia Municipal association District 12 officer election.	00:18:51
	Consent.	00:18:56
	All right, so to clarify and go down the list the items that will be.	00:19:02
	Consented if we don't hear something to change our minds during public.	00:19:09
	Comments or items?	00:19:13
	On old business items A&B.	00:19:16
	Under New Business Items C.	00:19:19
	DEFG.	00:19:21
	HI, K&L.	00:19:26
	So with that we will open up the.	00:19:32
	The microphone to public comment and.	00:19:37
	Just a reminder of what we're doing. You can speak about things that are on gender or not on agenda. 5 minute limit please.	00:19:41
	And go from there.	00:19:47
	Tom Canning, 410 appointment Peter Place.	00:19:49
	To respect the five minute limit, I've got a script that I'm going to read it.	00:19:53
	Over the years, I've asked counsel for specific action regarding the stormwater management utility.	00:19:57
	My latest e-mail to a few council members are sent on 29 April.	00:20:03
	I'm going to read the basic content to the e-mail.	00:20:09
	As a reminder, this is an excerpt from my.	00:20:13
	This reference.	00:20:16
	Quote be it, and it is hereby ordered by the Mayor and Council of City.	00:20:18
	Of Saint Mary's this 20th day of September.	00:20:25
	2021.	00:20:28
	The chapter 80 of the city.	00:20:30
	Saint Mary's Code of Ordinances is hereby amended to add the following pertaining to.	00:20:33
	Establishment of storm water utility.	00:20:39
	The Stonewood utility user fee rate structure.	00:20:42
	And the procedure in which to establish the storm water.	00:20:46
	User fee Billy grades again. That's 2021.	00:20:50
	From the convenience.	00:20:55
	That references in the section 80-4 in the ordinance.	00:20:57
	Weeks ago during the fiscal year 2026 budget.	00:21:02
	Discussions yet to be adjusted and proposed.	00:21:06
	The subject of stonewalling utility was not directly discussed and budgeted.	00:21:10
	At best.	00:21:14
	Staff and council nibbled around the edges, discussing dedicated workers.	00:21:15
	And specialized equipment for culverts, stitches under driveway, drainage pipes, property owner and city responsibilities, et	00:21:20
	cetera.	00:21:24
	While relying on the general fund.	00:21:29
	For the for.	00:21:32
	Related course.	00:21:35
	Two weeks ago that the City Council meeting the public attendees clearly and emotionally made clear.	00:21:37
	That concerns dissatisfaction with city performance.	00:21:44
	Regarding stormwater management, drainage, digits, conference, etc.	00:21:48
	For that substantiation.	00:21:53
	I am of the opinion that the barrier for the city to fully engage this ordinance.	00:21:55
	May be a schedule of storm water utility user fee charges.	00:22:01
	Based primarily on the amount of impervious services located on each improved property.	00:22:06
	Is the most appropriate inequitable means. That's a quote out of the ordinance.	00:22:12
	In this case, this challenge will never be easier.	00:22:18
	Let's fight the bullet and define specifics and implement down as always.	00:22:21
	First hand experience and feedback.	00:22:26
	Future judicious adjustments can be made.	00:22:29
	Put it in place now. If you need to make adjustments as you always do, review it and make your adjustments.	00:22:33
	I respectfully suggest that the utility ordinance should not continue to be ignored.	00:22:39
	It is past time to include the significant city utility responsibility.	00:22:45
	In his coming and future city budgets.	00:22:50
	Suggesting that there is insufficient time to include this in this coming year's budget.	00:22:53
	And billing schedule should not stand.	00:22:59
	No matter what the council decides, there will be complaints.	00:23:02
	From the public in general, and probably more specifically from business owners, churches, et cetera.	00:23:06
	The pain will be worth the gain.	00:23:12
	Doing the right thing is really.	00:23:15
	Easy to look forward to any.	00:23:17
	And all actions and responses.	00:23:19
	The other item I have.	00:23:22
	This e-mail.	00:23:24
	And hopefully most of you recognize these comments that I've provided.	00:23:26
	From the 2nd of May I sent this e-mail to a few council members.	00:23:30
	Attached for your info. This is the follow up on emails and brief discussions.	00:23:35
	No, no lease fee.	00:23:40
	For 10 years and approved by consent.	00:23:44
	That was the status of the contract.	00:23:47
	With the sub.	00:23:51
	Museum. The purpose of this e-mail was to suggest that the submarine museum.	00:23:53
	A nonprofit organization that raises operating funds.	00:23:58
	Should pay a monthly fee to use the 9000 square feet of city property in prime Midtown locations.	00:24:02
	Funded by.	00:24:10
	City taxiles.	00:24:12
	And of course, the City Council publicly justify this continuation of this tax burden.	00:24:13
	Thank you.	00:24:20
	Good evening, Robert Moore, 509 Westgate Circle. Good evening, Mayor, Council staff.	00:24:45
	I was debating on coming in tonight because it didn't seem like any kind of.	00:24:50
	Barn burner topics on here a lot of.	00:24:55
	That but I'm glad as the ditch man of perfect river. Yes, there has been dig and digging, especially from the out the outfall	00:24:58
	ditch at the southeastern corner of the subdivision by the Dollar General.	00:25:03
	That's the one that feeds my circle all the way down to that canal. So the Northside of Winding Rd.	00:25:09
	But the culverts, kind of. It's a mute point if culverts don't flow.	00:25:15
	Storm water utility.	00:25:19
	Those comments.	00:25:22
	Yes, I think we should implement it. I'm always about kind of tying your guys hands with the money for a purpose.	00:25:23
	However, I do recall that there was.	00:25:28
	Carve outs where people could put up and put retention ponds or.	00:25:31
	You know, they can kind of.	00:25:35
	Reduce their bill if if they have the room and all that.	00:25:37
	I think everybody should just have.	00:25:41
	Either a flat fee or they're not able to.	00:25:43
	Sidestep those fees.	00:25:47
	Now on to, I guess some positive things. I have some kudos.	00:25:50
	Mr. Stein, Mr. McMahon of your office prompt.	00:25:55
	We got an answer about tree trimming in a commercial district, so I appreciate that.	00:25:59
	Also, Councilwoman Keen, I appreciate your candid phone call about the PSA.	00:26:03
	And then on to a topic. Mark Walters, I think the name is LA Dodgers, man, as everybody says.	00:26:09
	Everybody's mad at them.	00:26:15
	Why are we mad at the people selling? I guess it's more for the people. My fellow residents, why are you mad at him? He's just got	00:26:16
	money.	00:26:20
	He's not sending people that look like Councilman NAC with a flat cap and a lead pipe to force them to.	00:26:23
	Pay up so you know I'm saying.	00:26:29
	So hey, don't take my kneecap.	00:26:32
	Anyway, so.	00:26:34
	And then quick question, I understand the rules Agenda H that was that affordable housing project, I don't recall.	00:26:40
	Did the city move forward? I I took it that we said no to that, but.	00:26:49
	The one out on Colerain.	00:26:53
	Umm, you're whining.	00:26:56
	But.	00:26:58
	Which I hope we said no because to me I always laugh. What exactly is affordable housing? How big is affordable housing?	00:26:59
	That target seems to move.	00:27:06
	And.	00:27:08
	Yeah, maybe we need a moratorium about that.	00:27:09
	And then umm uh.	00:27:12
	The last meeting, Mr. I think it was Gamble.	00:27:14
	Gentleman with the vest.	00:27:17
	Spoke about a 94 year old with a tree in the ditch.	00:27:19
	I I'd like to know, was that the first time that was brought up to city staff?	00:27:23
	That there was a tree in the ditch.	00:27:27
	So seems like that tree has been there a long time.	00:27:31
	And then I do have a question for Councilman Jones. Is that the same tree?	00:27:37
	That you mentioned in North River back in January.	00:27:42
	After the swearing in ceremony.	00:27:45
	If you had the pictures then did you send it to city staff and is it more city staff not taking actions three months later to	00:27:49
	remove a tree or?	00:27:54
	Umm, did it not reach the set? Thank you.	00:27:59
	Bert Seals, 816 Riverview Dr.	00:28:17
	I got me all glass.	00:28:21
	This time around.	00:28:25
	A 5 minute glass. A 5 minute.	00:28:27
	Because I'm gonna make sure.	00:28:29
	I'm gonna get my 5 minutes in.	00:28:31
	You know.	00:28:33
	And, umm.	00:28:34
	I think I need the time.	00:28:37
	Don't worry, but I'm.	00:28:39
	I'm gonna put it on up there, so.	00:28:43
	You know you can see it, right? But you gotta turn it upside down. I'm not yet.	00:28:45
	Oh.	00:28:50
	I gave my name and everything so good.	00:28:52
	We can set up that now.	00:28:58
	I sent.	00:29:03
	Some information that the citizen input portal.	00:29:05
	And I and.	00:29:08
	That was on the.	00:29:10
	Tuesday the 29th of May.	00:29:13
	April, sorry. And well, I haven't really heard anything back.	00:29:15
	Because wise I was speaking and when I got.	00:29:19
	See that my time was up.	00:29:23
	I wasn't able to get my information and so when I did well, I went to the citizen input portal.	00:29:25
	And I put it in there.	00:29:30
	And according to Congressman Keen.	00:29:32
	And I don't know if she got it, but I sent it through and everybody should have gotten it.	00:29:35
	And is a corner citizen.	00:29:39
	Input portal so it should move there waiting for you guys.	00:29:41
	But no response.	00:29:46
	Because I think maybe the city manager would have said something back.	00:29:49
	Or maybe you or did you get it?	00:29:54
	Please.	00:29:57
	I want to.	00:29:59
	You guys going to speak about the?	00:30:02
	The culvert replacement.	00:30:05
	Some will leave it alone because since you guys are going to discuss it.	00:30:07
	Because I'm looking at the arm.	00:30:09
	The prices. The courts.	00:30:11
	Very, very, very interesting.	00:30:13
	You know, so I want to get that out there.	00:30:15
	One of the things I want to talk about is, you know, we get a water bill.	00:30:18
	And we look at, you know, we have water.	00:30:23
	Water to sewer Sewer to garbage Garbage 2.	00:30:25
	And I'm like.	00:30:29
	I like what's what's going on here. It's a lot of money that we're collecting.	00:30:31
	From the citizens.	00:30:35
	And I'm going back into the solid waste fun.	00:30:37
	You know, for the.	00:30:40
	Finance people.	00:30:43
	We are 405,801.	00:30:44
	And the deficit, a shortfall on that.	00:30:48
	So you know the vehicle cash balance was 290-4667.	00:30:52
	So I'm kind of lost with that.	00:30:56
	Of course, the Aquatic Center, we talked about that.	00:30:58
	And you know 162.151.	00:31:01
	Anderson, Mary's Marina.	00:31:04
	25,000 I can bear that. Yeah, we're still working on that.	00:31:06
	But the Aquatic Center?	00:31:11
	We need to think about that.	00:31:13
	And.	00:31:15
	One of the.	00:31:28
	One of the things that I spoke about.	00:31:30
	Was the flags.	00:31:33
	You know something? I don't speak on that.	00:31:35
	The flags Why were the flags removed from 2603 Osborne St.	00:31:38
	In front of thee.	00:31:43
	The new City Hall.	00:31:44
	So I've been talking about that.	00:31:46
	Couple times.	00:31:49
	So I was asking that but in the in the portal.	00:31:50
	So we talked about.	00:31:53
	One of the things I'll be.	00:31:56
	The Palmetto tree.	00:31:58
	Since crashed on the truck.	00:32:01
	You know if I see this many drive.	00:32:03
	You know, and I said it needs to be removed.	00:32:07
	Or trim back further.	00:32:10
	That's on.	00:32:11
	Right in the in the new arm.	00:32:13
	You said the hall will be.	00:32:17
	And.	00:32:19
	One of the things I'm going to.	00:32:21
	We talked about the parents. I'm not going to get there no more because I think I'll be going.	00:32:23
	That's gonna be attended to just. Only thing I want to say is don't use.	00:32:27
	As possible with the taxpayers money.	00:32:33
	I don't care whatever they get.	00:32:36
	But then we use the taxpayers money for any kind of incentive.	00:32:37
	And the taste of Camden.	00:32:41
	I always go through those things. Was well received.	00:32:44
	By me and my guests.	00:32:47
	But apparently it was not fully attended.	00:32:49
	Because I might recommendation is that.	00:32:52
	We don't have the taste of camera at the same time.	00:32:55
	Of the annual Woodbine Crawfish Festival.	00:32:58
	Everybody is using that crawfish festival.	00:33:02
	For barbecues, family reunions.	00:33:04
	So you know you're competing with that.	00:33:08
	And, you know, so anybody come around to taste the Camden?	00:33:12
	So, you know, for food.	00:33:16
	And you know, so I think that's my recommendation. I mean, I think that was something.	00:33:18
	I want to throw that out here.	00:33:22
	And that.	00:33:24
	Since.	00:33:26
	I got solved with them but I still wonder there's things that I asked.	00:33:28
	On the portal.	00:33:32
	I still like to know.	00:33:33
	Boom.	00:33:35
	Respond just a couple? Sure, just for everybody's.	00:33:42
	Information.	00:33:45
	We found out.	00:33:48
	Earlier today, like around lunchtime.	00:33:49
	That for some reason something's happened to our citizens portal.	00:33:52
	And our messages aren't coming through.	00:33:56
	So if you will.	00:33:59
	If you will, send it directly to me and I'll make sure that Council gets it as well.	00:34:01
	But we apologize for that. We it's happening something on the website side.	00:34:06
	I'll get it. I'll get it from, I'll get it from.	00:34:13
	I just want to apologize for that.	00:34:17
	Thank you.	00:34:20
	OK.	00:34:24
	Larry White, 102 Sylvia's Court Good evening, Mayor and council.	00:34:32
	City manager. Assistant city manager.	00:34:36
	I looked at the.	00:34:41
	The dies up here.	00:34:42
	And I've been coming to city council's for so long.	00:34:44
	That the only one here is.	00:34:47
	It may be close to half of what happened come to Missouri.	00:34:49
	He's been on a console longer than the others.	00:34:52
	I'm not sure about Alan. I don't think he has.	00:34:54
	But let me just say.	00:34:58
	That Tom Canning brought up an excellent point.	00:35:00
	Back in 2000 and.	00:35:04
	21.	00:35:08
	City Council approved the.	00:35:09
	Storm water.	00:35:12
	Management plan.	00:35:13
	Nope. All right, You all been kicking the can down the road for a long time.	00:35:15
	There's another expression I could like to say.	00:35:21
	Being an old singer, but I can't see it in public.	00:35:23
	He knows what I'm talking about.	00:35:27
	I think it's time for the City Council.	00:35:32
	Do something.	00:35:35
	Why don't you go ahead and assess?	00:35:36
	A thief all.	00:35:39
	People that have water in the city of Saint Mary's.	00:35:41
	So we can get rid of the storm water.	00:35:45
	I've been here long enough to know that every time we get a.	00:35:47
	That storm or hurricane?	00:35:50
	Downtown Saint Mary's floods.	00:35:52
	To at least a foot and a half of water.	00:35:54
	On the streets down there.	00:35:57
	And it gets into gets into some businesses.	00:35:58
	And I'm amazed at the.	00:36:02
	That the marginal squares will survive long.	00:36:04
	As it has.	00:36:07
	Been flooded so many times.	00:36:08
	With water in downtown.	00:36:10
	And one of the point I'd like to make have time.	00:36:13
	I don't think think people need to be using.	00:36:17
	Social media.	00:36:19
	To put down anybody on a City Council.	00:36:21
	No matter who it is.	00:36:24
	If you want to.	00:36:25
	If you got a grievance.	00:36:27
	With the City Council, the mayor.	00:36:28
	Need to come here and talk about it or e-mail them directly.	00:36:30
	So they can respond to it.	00:36:34
	And make sure you Get the facts.	00:36:36
	Thank you.	00:36:38
	I'm using all this but forgive me.	00:36:45
	I say something wrong. My name is David McNabb, I live at 1703 Point Peter Rd.	00:36:48
	I'm here about.	00:36:53
	H and I.	00:36:55
	On the agenda?	00:36:57
	I just want to table this for two months.	00:36:59
	Is there a reason?	00:37:05
	Is that your property?	00:37:07
	Yeah, it's my property. I want to.	00:37:09
	Owned several properties in town.	00:37:11
	Jamie, do you want to?	00:37:15
	Good evening, Council and mayor.	00:37:17
	Point of clarification, Mr. McNabb, you still want to split the parcel, right?	00:37:23
	So that's item.	00:37:29
	The final plan can proceed.	00:37:32
	I thank you. I think Mr. McNabb is.	00:37:36
	Delaying the rezoning to our two.	00:37:39
	Yeah, for right now.	00:37:42
	I don't have a problem with them, my only concern would be if.	00:37:46
	Delay in the rezoning leads to an automatic approval.	00:37:49
	Which the attorney can answer. The ordinances don't impose a deadline by which council has to make a decision. There are there are	00:37:54
	deadlines obviously for the hearing and that process.	00:37:59
	The Planning Commission, but that's already been done so.	00:38:05
	I don't see an issue with a big table.	00:38:08
	So would you like for us to continue with the subdivision and just?	00:38:11
	Yeah, that's what I.	00:38:15
	We wanna do this. Hold on the on the.	00:38:17
	Delay the.	00:38:20
	Rezoning for right now. OK, so you would like for us to not consent on?	00:38:21
	Item.	00:38:26
	From the time being, yeah. And just to table that, yes.	00:38:28
	And then it's OK to consent on item I.	00:38:32
	For the minor subject.	00:38:35
	OK.	00:38:37
	Thank you.	00:38:39
	02 Salt grass Trace, Saint Mary's.	00:38:48
	Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, staff.	00:38:51
	In regards to Mr. Moore's comment.	00:38:55
	Relative to the stormwater mitigation.	00:38:58
	Plan Ordinance.	00:39:02
	I think that.	00:39:05
	Certainly it's a good idea to have one.	00:39:07
	However.	00:39:10
	In the process of.	00:39:11
	Reviewing it.	00:39:13
	I would.	00:39:16
	And to make sure that.	00:39:18
	The fees that are going to be charged.	00:39:22
	The land area that's going to be looked at.	00:39:25
	It's going to be something that's going to be equitable across the board for all residents.	00:39:31
	You know the city of Saint Mary's.	00:39:37
	In no particular areas allowed to be excluded.	00:39:40
	Because of.	00:39:44
	A special process that they may or may not have in place.	00:39:46
	Please recognize that.	00:39:53
	Different areas in Saint Mary's.	00:39:56
	Have specialized retention.	00:39:59
	There is 4.	00:40:04
	Storm water.	00:40:06
	As soon as people leave those particular areas.	00:40:08
	They are benefiting from Saint Mary's storm water management.	00:40:12
	They get.	00:40:18
	What's the rocket?	00:40:20
	Parking lots that aren't flooded.	00:40:23
	And a lot of other areas that they use.	00:40:25
	So again.	00:40:29
	I think that it's a great.	00:40:31
	But.	00:40:33
	I would recommend that.	00:40:35
	Catholic consideration begin to ensuring that.	00:40:36
	The charges are going to be equitable.	00:40:40
	Across all citizens, residents of Saint Mary's.	00:40:43
	OK. Thank you.	00:40:47
	Any other comments?	00:40:57
	OK. Thank you. We'll close the public comment session.	00:41:00
	And it is.	00:41:04
	Now it's time to vote on the consent agenda.	00:41:06
	Just to.	00:41:10
	Recap. So we know exactly what we're voting on. We're voting to consent on old business items. A&B.	00:41:12
	On new business.	00:41:18
	Item CD.	00:41:20
	EFG.	00:41:23
	IK&L.	00:41:27
	Is there a motion to approve this consent agenda?	00:41:31
	Motion by Mr. Nashmentos or second Second.	00:41:35
	Second by Mr. Ingram.	00:41:38
	Any discussion? Yes. Do we need to do anything additional for tabling idle major?	00:41:40
	The grand stable we can.	00:41:44
	We can table that and in the when we approve the regular the rest of the agenda.	00:41:46
	I'm good, OK.	00:41:51
	All right. Any other discussion, all those in favor?	00:41:53
	Aye, any opposed?	00:41:57
	Unanimous.	00:42:00
	Yes, Sir.	00:42:00
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you.	00:42:01
	All right. So now on to the approval of the agenda. So for the items for the agenda.	00:42:03
	What follows is a discussion.	00:42:13
	In new business of items AB.	00:42:15
	A tabling of item H.	00:42:19
	And discussion of item J.	00:42:21
	I have a motion to approve this agenda.	00:42:24
	Shall move Motion by Mr. Rashid.	00:42:26
	Second, second, second by Mr. Ingram.	00:42:29
	Any discussion?	00:42:32
	All those in favor, aye.	00:42:34
	Any opposed? Didn't get my head turned quick enough.	00:42:38
	That opposed or approved.	00:42:44
	Approved. OK.	00:42:47
	As a unanimous man, yes Sir.	00:42:49
	Gotta hold them up long enough for me to look both ways please.	00:42:52
	Try on here OK.	00:42:56
	So we will now begin with our new business.	00:42:58
	Item.	00:43:04
	Saint Mary's Commerce Park entrance sign.	00:43:06
	Mr. Horton, you gonna present that course, please?	00:43:09
	We got 2 bits.	00:43:12
	Good evening Mayor and Council again.	00:43:21
	Before you, you.	00:43:25
	Had the plans for the.	00:43:27
	Infant sound that is being.	00:43:30
	Proposed for the.	00:43:34
	Commerce Park, the entrance.	00:43:36
	You have two bids in front of you. One is with.	00:43:39
	Dalton signs.	00:43:44
	And another one.	00:43:46
	And I apologize now 'cause I'm gonna say this wrong.	00:43:48
	Thin yeast.	00:43:52
	DENYSE.	00:43:55
	Bolton.	00:44:07
	If you add it all up under.	00:44:12
	All Dalton's, it's probably right around $90,000.	00:44:15
	And when you look at the other company?	00:44:20
	They're right around $80,000.	00:44:23
	$10,000 difference between the two.	00:44:26
	The information that you see regarding solar powered.	00:44:30
	And the brochure that goes with the Dalton bid.	00:44:35
	And so our request is made it into our Council packet. Mr.	00:44:45
	Horton, but there was an e-mail.	00:44:49
	With feedback from Thomas and Hutton, who designed.	00:44:51
	Designed the entrance.	00:44:57
	Yeah, I don't believe that made it into our packet.	00:44:59
	Where everyone saw that e-mail?	00:45:02
	Just kind of comments with.	00:45:04
	About they kind of looked over evaluated both proposals.	00:45:07
	Anybody else know what I'm talking about?	00:45:11
	Because one of the things that I guess the differences.	00:45:16
	If you're, you know.	00:45:19
	Difference in up lighting.	00:45:21
	Individual structure as the way it was designed.	00:45:23
	Was only only.	00:45:26
	Presented in the.	00:45:29
	I don't know. I'm with you, Denise NYSE.	00:45:31
	Proposal.	00:45:36
	And.	00:45:38
	I think that was kind of the major thing, the difference also with the solar power versus the.	00:45:40
	Electrical.	00:45:45
	For the.	00:45:47
	2 Was it the other kind of two major things that I noticed, but.	00:45:49
	Who? Who did the solar power?	00:45:52
	Dalton was going to have a solar powered lighted and it would just be kind of face lighting and not individual up lighting on the	00:45:55
	on the metal columns.	00:45:59
	As was it designed, but.	00:46:04
	So.	00:46:08
	So we have those two proposals. I don't know are we prepared to?	00:46:12
	To make a motion and make the vote to approve one of these two events. This is funded through DASM.	00:46:18
	No, ma'am, this is a part of the Commerce part.	00:46:24
	Account.	00:46:28
	This will come out of tab. Cost has already been allocated within the bond that was issued by DASM.	00:46:29
	Yes, that was the bond that we got for from what you're asking now.	00:46:36
	Yes, ma'am, That was the bond that we got for the commerce part put roads.	00:46:42
	And the water sewer in there?	00:46:47
	And we have funds leftover from sale of the property.	00:46:50
	But that's.	00:46:54
	That's where it's coming from. Yes, ma'am.	00:46:56
	What would normally happen to those funds if they weren't spent?	00:47:01
	They have to go back into that project.	00:47:06
	I'm going to those were allocated as a part of that bond.	00:47:10
	I guess my concern is.	00:47:19
	But the entrance signs are lovely. I just am wondering if.	00:47:22
	We could do something that's a little bit less expensive but also looks nice.	00:47:28
	Have we gotten any other consideration for that?	00:47:35
	There's or are there alternative? You saw some of the alternatives that were proposed as a part of the original plan.	00:47:38
	Outside of what the plan is, that's where our limitations have been.	00:47:46
	Am I correct then?	00:47:52
	Difference.	00:47:59
	The motion which will the staff's recommendation between the two.	00:48:03
	The one that's being proposed, remember.	00:48:10
	So.	00:48:13
	We're talking landscaping. Talk about the landscaping plan.	00:48:21
	The sign. The signs. The sign.	00:48:25
	Is the land.	00:48:28
	This is space lighting, so there's going to be an additional charge. I'm sorry for the landscape. Landscaping is all 11 price.	00:48:30
	This is being done through the JDA.	00:48:35
	OK. And the solar is the because a lot?	00:48:41
	I mean, in my understanding of solar, it's not as bright as.	00:48:45
	As.	00:48:49
	Wired in is that? Is there a difference? Well, the other one has got the underneath lighting in. It also has and when you look at	00:48:50
	the.	00:48:53
	Nancy or whatever it is when they talk about the description, it also has.	00:48:58
	Up lighting and down lighting.	00:49:03
	On the song, on which one Dolan or?	00:49:05
	Then yes.	00:49:08
	Uploading on the individual post, kind of like you see in 1.3 picture there and it's not really.	00:49:11
	And importance beans custom.	00:49:18
	Folks, Clinton finished and uplifting, incorporated in a fabric base and in the top of the center.	00:49:21
	As far as what that does to the overall design.	00:49:28
	And just to the overall kind of design and the process that you know this process started back when.	00:49:41
	I was still on Joint Development Authority.	00:49:47
	And then we went through a number of iterations. There was a.	00:49:49
	Low, medium, high, you know we.	00:49:53
	A lot of discussion that was around that was trying to find something that was.	00:49:58
	Pleasant looking, but not.	00:50:02
	Overly maintenance, guardian. Well, not overly maintenance intensive.	00:50:03
	Down the road, not.	00:50:09
	Put in types of plantings and things that would require a lot of.	00:50:10
	Long term, you know, or costly maintenance and.	00:50:13
	This was kind of a middle of the road proposal that.	00:50:17
	That you know.	00:50:20
	Was kind of.	00:50:22
	Push forward by the Joint Development Authority in their work with Thomas and Hutton.	00:50:24
	In this design.	00:50:28
	I just see going down.	00:50:30
	The business, umm in Douglasville, I think that's umm what we talked about. That's where one bids came from.	00:50:33
	Are they, are they going to be able to do the upkeep on it and everything that it's going to take on it?	00:50:39
	Yearly basis or every three years or whatever and are they going to have to come from West of Atlanta?	00:50:46
	Or, you know, because we got somebody here local that's giving us a bid as well. I agree.	00:50:53
	It's they would have to be the ones come. I would assume that there would be. I would assume there would be a delay.	00:50:59
	That I don't know so.	00:51:08
	This was all orchestrated through.	00:51:09
	Of getting the beds and.	00:51:13
	Getting the proposals and as far as both signs, are they pretty much the same?	00:51:15
	The actual signs are pretty much the same yesterday.	00:51:20
	So the lighting is the biggest thing. If I'm understanding correctly, it's the difference of 5000, right?	00:51:23
	No, Sir, it's almost 10.	00:51:28
	74 and 79 did I look at what was motion, you got that up all the.	00:51:30
	When you go to the second page of Daltons, he's also got $16,000 solar.	00:51:36
	OK, he's got two options. My apologies.	00:51:43
	That's been correct for 79 on my paper 7988641, right?	00:51:45
	Well.	00:51:52
	And that still has the lighting up and down.	00:51:53
	And wired instead of solar.	00:51:57
	Or whatever.	00:52:00
	Like on Denisi the difference was they don't use solar and it has up and down lighting correct?	00:52:02
	Yes, and then with Dalton they use solar only from the bottom.	00:52:08
	That's the only difference in front.	00:52:13
	Kind of projecting onto the face.	00:52:16
	Won't be individual up lighting on.	00:52:20
	The vertical pieces or whatever.	00:52:23
	And my apologies, there are there are two options on this solar lighting.	00:52:26
	Because I just want because if there's a difference in 5000.	00:52:31
	And we don't have to find a solar panel.	00:52:35
	Place to put it. I would think that's money well spent. You're spending that much on a sign to go with the one that's non solar.	00:52:37
	And you don't have to put a panel anywhere and you have individual lighting on each versus just facing the sign.	00:52:44
	But I didn't see that one.	00:52:50
	I'm looking at the wrong page.	00:52:52
	Clarity, when you look at the Dalton, he's got 2 solar options there. He's got a 600 Watt.	00:52:55
	And you've also got a 400 Watt.	00:53:03
	So the less expensive would be the 400 Watt which was 13348.	00:53:06
	And you add that to the cost of the actual structure.	00:53:12
	60.	00:53:16
	Plus the $200 sign permit.	00:53:18
	Right. Plus the $200 sign permit.	00:53:21
	Yeah, probably. Do we know the cost of the utilities for keeping this?	00:53:24
	Light it all the time if we don't do solar.	00:53:30
	Not estimate on that.	00:53:33
	And I also think that there is a.	00:53:36
	Question about.	00:53:39
	Shopping locally?	00:53:41
	Mm-hmm. I'll make you.	00:53:43
	Local vendors.	00:53:46
	Because we can always reach out and touch those where.	00:53:48
	No, no. There's a lot of good work in the in the county.	00:53:52
	And.	00:53:56
	Moment you need them as a high school for something they're.	00:53:59
	Would he be able to give us a bid on non solar?	00:54:04
	Dolan yeah, man, I guess that was one of my main concerns is we don't have anything showing where they intend to try to put that	00:54:07
	panel.	00:54:11
	You know this is a sign that.	00:54:16
	Is in the middle of the road. You'll be driving on either side. I know that they have a.	00:54:19
	New sign out at exit 3 where the panel is behind the sign you know.	00:54:23
	And it doesn't have to be in the same place.	00:54:30
	So I don't know, you know, whether we want to.	00:54:35
	Table this so we can go out, you know, look and.	00:54:38
	More information, or if you're all ready to.	00:54:41
	I'm ready to vote.	00:54:43
	I think. I think we should table it. I think we should table it.	00:54:44
	I'd like to make a motion.	00:54:48
	That we table this and get some additional information.	00:54:51
	And we'll get some questions together for Mr. Horton and have this come up at the next meeting.	00:54:55
	Are there any other discussion, any discussion about the budget?	00:55:03
	All those in favor to table the motion till the next meeting.	00:55:07
	Two weeks.	00:55:11
	Weeks. And it was.	00:55:13
	Miss Jones opposed.	00:55:17
	So 5 to one with Mr. Jones Post.	00:55:19
	Move on to.	00:55:27
	Item J.	00:55:31
	The Mission Trace culvert replacement contract.	00:55:33
	About I'm sorry.	00:55:37
	Before we do that also in this.	00:55:41
	Packet we have the proposal from.	00:55:44
	Coastal greenery.	00:55:46
	To which would be the actual plantings.	00:55:49
	Umm, and the landscaping.	00:55:52
	Coastal greenery is already doing.	00:55:56
	Landscape maintenance in the Commerce Park.	00:55:58
	Uh, but this is.	00:56:01
	This is for the installation.	00:56:03
	Of the actual landscaping, plants, trees, flowers.	00:56:05
	Those types of things, you'll find that behind the.	00:56:09
	The section with the solar information.	00:56:12
	And we only have the one.	00:56:18
	Did we know why we only have one bid or is that?	00:56:20
	That was just only good given.	00:56:25
	OK, we had two.	00:56:28
	Only one for the actual installation of the planet.	00:56:31
	Yes, so.	00:56:36
	So are we prepared to make?	00:56:39
	A motion on that, yes.	00:56:41
	Yes, ma'am.	00:56:44
	And you already know.	00:56:49
	Solve part of the packet. So OK so we need to just table this as well then.	00:56:52
	As I understood it all.	00:56:58
	Taking any action right now, OK.	00:57:00
	We'll bring that back up and then we can check on second bit in the meantime as well. So.	00:57:04
	OK.	00:57:09
	So that takes us to the item.	00:57:14
	J The mission trace culvert replacement.	00:57:16
	Huh.	00:57:20
	Provide. Yes ma'am, Sorry I missed that.	00:57:23
	So that's the approval of the revised easement agreement with Radiant.	00:57:26
	Robbie, were you going to?	00:57:37
	Do we need anything there or do we just?	00:57:38
	Mr. Mayor, yes, Sir. So these these agreements are essentially identical to what was previously approved by Council, I think.	00:57:42
	To Marcia. Yes, thereabouts.	00:57:50
	But after they were previously approved.	00:57:54
	There were further discussions with ETM's, the engineering consultant.	00:57:56
	And it turned out the legal descriptions of the easement areas were a little off from what we actually needed.	00:58:00
	And so they had to go back and get revised legal descriptions that are the exhibits to these agreements.	00:58:07
	Because the legal descriptions were changed, I recommended that we bring it back to Council to make sure that the final version	00:58:13
	gets formally approved. OK, motion to approve.	00:58:17
	2nd, 2nd.	00:58:22
	OK. Motion by Mr. Ingram.	00:58:24
	Second by Miss King.	00:58:26
	Miss King.	00:58:29
	Any other discussion?	00:58:30
	All those in favor.	00:58:32
	Aye, So that's unanimous, Madam Clerk.	00:58:34
	Now if I'm.	00:58:40
	Not incorrect item J yeah.	00:58:41
	All right, Mr. Smith, thank you.	00:58:52
	Yes, Sir.	00:58:54
	What are your questions?	00:58:56
	So we have 3. Go ahead.	00:58:59
	My concern was, you know, we.	00:59:02
	We have one very conservative.	00:59:04
	And.	00:59:09
	I always.	00:59:11
	I tried to go into low vehicles.	00:59:12
	But I just wanted to be understood.	00:59:15
	By the contractor that.	00:59:19
	We will not accept any change, orders, anything.	00:59:21
	Down the line that she found out that.	00:59:25
	He missed something. It's going to be.	00:59:27
	Fitness responsibility.	00:59:29
	Responsibility to pay for.	00:59:31
	A lot of people did.	00:59:34
	Then they try to slide it in.	00:59:36
	That's the only discussion that I was.	00:59:40
	Mr. Smith, could you contractor who you know recently did our workout at?	00:59:43
	Commerce Commerce Park.	00:59:48
	There I don't believe.	00:59:50
	I'm not aware of any.	00:59:53
	Change orders that resulted through that process, so and I know it does say.	00:59:54
	I'll work as described in the scope of the work is showing the drawings, but point well taken that we don't want a bunch of change	01:00:00
	orders and pumping the price up that time.	01:00:04
	Budget feel fairly confident that.	01:00:09
	Well, construction.	01:00:14
	We've worked with them before and they're they're very good.	01:00:16
	And Jeremy does a good job with his quoting.	01:00:19
	Could could you just tell us where the three culverts are located? I may have missed that in the package, but I didn't see it.	01:00:23
	All right. Off the top of my head, I don't have the exact location for the mission trace, but they're going where we're looking to	01:00:31
	pave with Lameg 25.	01:00:35
	They're up on that section of the mission, Trace Rd. their culverts underneath the road.	01:00:39
	And we want them replaced before we try to pave and then go back and cut the road up to replace them later.	01:00:43
	So that includes the culvert by Mr.	01:00:49
	Carol's house.	01:00:53
	The end closest to Coleraine.	01:00:58
	I thought, I'm pretty sure it's the north side on that.	01:01:02
	We're doing the South side first.	01:01:11
	South side portion.	01:01:14
	The Make 25 is doing that north.	01:01:16
	So it's going to be.	01:01:19
	Isn't that right? Yes, the South side would be by Coleraine.	01:01:22
	The South side is being done first.	01:01:27
	That will make that's coming out for 25 that goes.	01:01:30
	And you, that's the north side. That's what this these culverts are on the north side.	01:01:34
	Which is I just don't know exactly where Mr.	01:01:39
	I think he's, he's the first culvert from Coleraine Rd. which would be the South side. So is this work being done on the it's all	01:01:43
	being done on the north side, should be on the north side because.	01:01:50
	I got a.	01:01:57
	Message from him today saying that someone from Public Works had been out to his.	01:01:58
	Place and he talked to them and they told him that we were doing the work on his culvert.	01:02:04
	That we as in the city or we as in the city yes so I just.	01:02:10
	You know, I'd like to know where the.	01:02:16
	For sure.	01:02:19
	Where this work is being done, I don't know that it's going to change the bid, but I didn't see a location in the bid.	01:02:22
	I'll be able to send you.	01:02:30
	We can get that to you.	01:02:33
	And we're and I guess we're doing 3 culverts here. And the question then?	01:02:35
	Core.	01:02:41
	Ask is, is this all the culverts that need to be replaced to make sure that it's all done correctly and you know, it's all fixed	01:02:42
	and.	01:02:46
	These are these are since we're doing this before we pay because we don't want to have to go back and fix that the other.	01:02:50
	It is follows the same logic and rationale.	01:02:58
	These three particular culverts.	01:03:02
	Who are beyond the scope of what our staff can.	01:03:04
	Replaced. That's why we're trying to contract it out.	01:03:08
	I'm pretty sure I'll have to verify.	01:03:12
	But I think our staff can do the Clover by Mr. Carroll's house.	01:03:14
	And that can be that will be done before.	01:03:19
	Seaboard does the paving by the end of June, end of July.	01:03:23
	OK, so we'll we'll have.	01:03:28
	3 culverts.	01:03:29
	Outside firm. The rest, of course, will be replaced by all.	01:03:31
	All culverts will be fixed and replaced before we pay.	01:03:35
	That is the intent. So when will public works do the work?	01:03:38
	On the culvert that.	01:03:43
	They can fix.	01:03:45
	I'll have to get back here, can you?	01:03:47
	Could we talk about that at the next council meeting? Yes, ma'am. Get that information together.	01:03:51
	Thank you.	01:03:57
	Thank you for answering my.	01:03:59
	My next question I was going to ask.	01:04:01
	With this, these three covets, were they out of the scope of our.	01:04:04
	Employees to replace, you said.	01:04:09
	We just, we couldn't do it with our staff. Yes, Sir.	01:04:13
	So just to confirm.	01:04:16
	These are all the culverts on Mission Trace, right? So we have 4 that need to be.	01:04:19
	Repaired This bit is for the three on the North End and then.	01:04:26
	Staff is only going to do 1.	01:04:32
	That is my understanding.	01:04:34
	OK. And you'll confirm that at the next meeting? Yes, ma'am.	01:04:36
	Thank you.	01:04:39
	OK. In a motion, Yeah, we have a motion to proceed.	01:04:42
	So I'd like to make a motion to go with Raul Contracting Incorporated for the amount of 80,800 for the mission trace culvert	01:04:46
	replacement second.	01:04:50
	Any other discussion?	01:04:56
	All those in favor.	01:04:58
	That's unanimous, ma'am. Clerk.	01:05:00
	We'll, we'll get Chris to put together a map, a GIS map for you, exactly where each of those culverts are.	01:05:04
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you.	01:05:11
	And that is all of the.	01:05:18
	Business on an old and new business.	01:05:22
	So, Madam Clerk, that makes us ready for our.	01:05:25
	Yes, Sir.	01:05:29
	On Wednesday, May 7th.	01:05:33
	At 5:00 PM we have the Development Authority Saint Mary's meeting in Main St.	01:05:35
	On Thursday, May 8th at 9:00 AM we have the 9:30 AM Sorry One Child Management Committee meeting and the Main Street office.	01:05:39
	Followed by an 11:00 AM invitation of vehicle amid and council chambers.	01:05:47
	Followed by 2:00 PM invitation bid for generators for.	01:05:51
	Continual critical services and council chambers.	01:05:56
	A 215 installation of the AIR for the Moen contract.	01:05:58
	And a 5:00 PM St. Mary's Intracoastal Gateway meeting in the Main Street office.	01:06:02
	On Friday, May 9th.	01:06:07
	At 9:00 AM we have Saint Mary's Municipal Court and here in Council Chambers.	01:06:09
	Amendy May 13, I'm sorry Monday, May 12th at 8:30 AM and Main Street we have the.	01:06:13
	Downtown Development Authority meeting and at 5:30 PM, also on May 12th.	01:06:19
	Here in Council chambers will be the Council Fiscal year 2026 budget work session.	01:06:25
	OK.	01:06:32
	All right. Thank you, ma'am.	01:06:34
	Council member comments.	01:06:39
	I'd like to just thank Miss Jamie Stein. I did get the chance to talk to free builders in person and in e-mail and I haven't heard	01:06:41
	any negative feedback and I know you did a ton of work on that. I just wanted to thank you so much for that subdivision the.	01:06:49
	Revision that you did and she put a lot of effort into that. So I know we just consented to move on, but I wanted to personally	01:06:58
	thank you for that.	01:07:01
	And then also the two other points is the storm water fee. I know that keeps coming up and it didn't come up a lot in budget.	01:07:04
	Maybe it's possibly even starting with a lower fee. I know that churches and.	01:07:11
	Commercial get affected more so and that's really the big push back. So maybe just to even get the ball rolling, maybe we start	01:07:16
	with a lower Fiat.	01:07:21
	You know, just kind of with.	01:07:26
	Ask staff that. Maybe we start thinking of that. Maybe we can go over that in the work session.	01:07:27
	And then the culverts and Crooked River. I agree with Mr. Rob Moore. I think that just cleaning out ditches, no matter how many	01:07:33
	people we have, no matter what.	01:07:36
	Equipment we have are just creating swimming pools in people's yard. I've been in talks with Attorney Blackerby and as Mayor	01:07:40
	already pointed out, we're going to have a work session for that. So just.	01:07:44
	Citizens, just to know that that's it's not as simple as oh, just have the city repair and it's not as simple as oh, just do code	01:07:49
	enforcement so that it's a little bit more technical for that. So we're trying to find out the best.	01:07:54
	Possible way to go about it so we don't make a mess out of it. So just after that work session, we'll be able to have better	01:08:00
	answers for you. But we're not dodging questions when you guys keep bringing that up. I mean, last week I had like 2 pages of	01:08:04
	notes that I had.	01:08:08
	You know a full page of notes. So we are listening when you guys bring these comments up, just know that we're hearing you that	01:08:13
	maybe some things might take a little longer than.	01:08:16
	Than we'd like even.	01:08:20
	Miss Johnson, May I?	01:08:23
	I got a text from Shirley Sessoms.	01:08:25
	She said unfortunately I can't make City Council meeting.	01:08:29
	And she had to take out somebody sick. And she said that to thank the mayor.	01:08:33
	For cleaning up the flower bed at the sign.	01:08:38
	I wish I could take credit for that. I don't know. I don't know personally do it, but I think it might have been the Garden Club.	01:08:41
	I saw a citizen. If you don't mind me commenting on it during your time I saw a citizen. It was a woman with her golf cart and she	01:08:47
	pulled up with it. You.	01:08:52
	Her sister Barbara, thank you for that. I watched her go out there and I drove by so we all said thank you. I'm working on the one	01:08:59
	at the end of Wheeler St.	01:09:04
	And she said also as he mowed the grass around the fountain.	01:09:11
	Because the area where the bench at the Matilda Harris sign is not.	01:09:16
	Hold OK, so.	01:09:20
	That is city right away. So we should be able to handle that area there. So and I wanted to.	01:09:23
	Comment on the.	01:09:29
	Question that Mister Moore asked.	01:09:30
	About the ditch.	01:09:33
	Where the tree was.	01:09:35
	I brought this up several times. I went down and gave the.	01:09:40
	The city, the address and everything also, and this would be going on for a couple of years.	01:09:47
	My thing is, and I didn't know Mr. Gamma was going to be bringing this up, but evidently he must have must have seen it.	01:09:53
	Umm, the tree is loaded with figs now, so.	01:10:00
	Let's wait until Fig season, oh before we decide to clean it up.	01:10:04
	We're going to table that until fix seasons over.	01:10:11
	I actually had noted similar to.	01:10:17
	Jeremy, to just comment on this time doing a good job doing that redraft.	01:10:21
	I did a good job of listening to some of our local developers to where we're able to come up with something reasonable that's	01:10:26
	going to let us have the fit, you know, the Saint Mary's.	01:10:31
	That we want and also was respectful to our local builders.	01:10:36
	So good job and thank you, Miss Sam.	01:10:40
	Yeah, that's pretty much all I had, actually. I'm good.	01:10:43
	What else I?	01:10:48
	Got one or two things. One, I want to thank the citizens for reaching out to me.	01:10:51
	With the death of my mom.	01:10:58
	And uh.	01:10:59
	Kind of tough for my family and.	01:11:01
	I just appreciate your birth.	01:11:04
	And I got some cards from somebody even today.	01:11:06
	It's in the chamber.	01:11:09
	Thanks, Chris. Thanks Chris. And.	01:11:10
	And it's hard and.	01:11:15
	The 4th of July festival pressing on.	01:11:17
	Working on the permits for the fireworks.	01:11:22
	On 4th of July and uh.	01:11:25
	And so we're excited about that and.	01:11:28
	And we're going to have a barbecue on July 3rd.	01:11:32
	Been in bed, wants to volunteer and help.	01:11:35
	I'd like to.	01:11:41
	Say that I agree with Jeremy on the stormwater.	01:11:43
	Issues and I'd like to ask management if they would schedule us a work session.	01:11:48
	To get started on that.	01:11:54
	So, um.	01:12:00
	I say Mr. Horton and I actually.	01:12:02
	First part of last week, we're in conversations about the stormwater drainage assessment.	01:12:06
	As noted, you know that kind of came four years ago and I was inquiring as to.	01:12:12
	So what? What happened? Why did this not proceed and.	01:12:17
	Apparently there were a lot of concerns at the time about.	01:12:21
	The fee structure and how it affects certain properties.	01:12:24
	In particular, some business properties.	01:12:29
	You know, businesses are allowed to.	01:12:32
	Build lot line to lot line in certain areas and those kinds of things and have a lot of impervious spaces and.	01:12:35
	In some instances.	01:12:41
	The assessment fee was going to be more costly than.	01:12:43
	Their property taxes for those properties and.	01:12:48
	That was kind of my understanding for why.	01:12:52
	It didn't really get inactive and.	01:12:55
	So, you know, I was having some conversations, well, about, you know.	01:12:57
	As Jeremy said, let's do something to get started, you know?	01:13:01
	Perhaps.	01:13:05
	You know, that's an area where we can look at some.	01:13:06
	Percentages.	01:13:08
	You know of, you know, impervious area versus the total area or whatever.	01:13:10
	Because we do not want to become.	01:13:16
	You know anti business, especially with the talk about redevelopment and growth.	01:13:19
	In the Midtown area to.	01:13:23
	You know, to heat something else on there that that you know, so we need to take a wise approach on that that will allow us and.	01:13:27
	Yeah, actually I think definitely getting, getting that information back out and, uh.	01:13:34
	You know.	01:13:40
	We're we're up here to make tough decisions and sometimes.	01:13:41
	Unfavorable or decisions that you know people.	01:13:44
	Get extra fees on their bills.	01:13:48
	But we're also hearing a lot of folks complaining about drainage and.	01:13:52
	And storm water issues and.	01:13:56
	This is.	01:13:59
	One way to address that and pay for that and.	01:14:01
	Utilize those funds, you know, for additional crews and.	01:14:04
	Engineering and studies and things that need to be done to make sure the water is flowing like it is so.	01:14:08
	You know, we'll, we'll definitely get that work session together and get that information.	01:14:13
	Dusted off.	01:14:18
	And back out to the current Council.	01:14:19
	And see if we can't.	01:14:22
	Make a decision.	01:14:23
	To implement something.	01:14:24
	I agree with you the three of y'all 100% because.	01:14:26
	And just to remind everybody.	01:14:31
	Hurricane season is right around the corner, and I think it's going to be.	01:14:33
	A pretty wild ride.	01:14:39
	This year and.	01:14:40
	I hope that you know where.	01:14:42
	We're ready for it. I'm going to have a proclamation next meeting where we have no hurricanes.	01:14:44
	Also, just real quickly wanted to.	01:14:51
	Thank Miss Stein for.	01:14:55
	Her and her departments, you know, work this. I attended a couple of sessions that.	01:14:57
	Like say, they were very inclusive.	01:15:02
	Getting information from residents and staff and.	01:15:05
	Builders and developers and trying to incorporate all that to give us.	01:15:09
	Like I say, the vision of Saint Mary's you know that is maintains our tree City status was a.	01:15:13
	A very important.	01:15:19
	Part of that and.	01:15:20
	Appreciate your diligent work and your patience with Council.	01:15:23
	Thank you.	01:15:27
	I got one other thing I wanted to talk about here I did want to mention because Mr. Seals I think brought it up about our solid	01:15:29
	waste fund being.	01:15:33
	A couple $100,000 in the negative.	01:15:37
	During the budget session, we.	01:15:41
	Discuss that there are.	01:15:44
	That was clean up.	01:15:46
	From Helene and the storm, a lot of the funds that were expended there.	01:15:47
	And we're.	01:15:52
	Anticipating A reimbursement from JIMA.	01:15:54
	That.	01:15:58
	Put that balance back into the positive so it is at one time a lean experience expense.	01:16:00
	So it's not that the funds not performing correctly, it was just that.	01:16:08
	That and so that will at least rectify that one situation, Sir.	01:16:11
	And uh.	01:16:16
	I think that's the main things I wanted to.	01:16:18
	Anything else?	01:16:20
	Mr. Horton.	01:16:21
	Mr. Sales, you're getting your flag back.	01:16:23
	Are you rephrase that, you're getting our flag back.	01:16:26
	OK. And we get that Palmetto trimmed as well?	01:16:29
	I have to go out there and do that with my tree song, so.	01:16:34
	OK, a motion to.	01:16:38
	Mr. Jones made that.	01:16:42
	Take it understand.	01:16:43
	Any discussion about that? All those in favor?	01:16:46
	That's unanimous matter.	01:16:50
	Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.	01:16:52

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	All right, let's get started.	00:00:06
	Welcome to the Cinco de Mayo version of the City Council meeting of Saint Mary's.	00:00:11
	It's the only Spanish I know I think.	00:00:18
	Anyway, I'd like to welcome everyone here to the.	00:00:21
	Regular scheduled City Council meeting for May 5th and we're going to begin tonight with our invocation by.	00:00:25
	Councilmember Mr. Connors.	00:00:31
	If you please, rise and join us in prayer.	00:00:33
	Your father, thank you. Thank you for the people that come out to our City Council meetings, Lord.	00:00:40
	Over and guide the citizens within the city of Saint Mary's Continue to guide.	00:00:45
	Council members that are on the council and our mayor to be able to make the best decisions we possibly can for the City of Saint	00:00:50
	Mary's.	00:00:54
	Thank you, Lord, for all the people that work so diligently with the city of Saint Mary's, making it what it is. We couldn't do	00:00:58
	without them.	00:01:02
	In God's name I pray. Amen. Amen.	00:01:09
	Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.	00:01:13
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:17
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:20
	Thank you.	00:01:27
	And we'll now have our roll call.	00:01:29
	Yes, Sir, Councilman Jones, Postman.	00:01:30
	Here.	00:01:33
	Here.	00:01:35
	Ingram Hills 3 here.	00:01:36
	Councilmember Nassimanto Post forward.	00:01:38
	Councillor Grassi post 5 here.	00:01:41
	Counselor Keen Post 6 present Mayor Lockhart. I'm here, man. Sir, we have a quorum. Thank you. And for the record, a unanimous	00:01:44
	vote is a vote of six. Yes, Sir.	00:01:48
	OK. We had a little bit of e-mail trouble I believe over the weekend potentially and so minutes might not have gotten to everyone,	00:01:54
	so.	00:01:58
	Entertain a motion to table the minutes for approval to the next City Council meeting on the 19th.	00:02:04
	2nd A motion by Mr. Ingram, and a second by Mr. Racy.	00:02:10
	Any other?	00:02:15
	And I've been reminded to ask you to please vote not not.	00:02:17
	Not only verbally, but also with the show of hands.	00:02:22
	All those in favor.	00:02:25
	All right. And that's unanimous, Madam.	00:02:26
	Yes, Sir.	00:02:30
	All right. Thank you.	00:02:31
	So our first presentation is a proclamation.	00:02:33
	And let's see if I can read.	00:02:38
	Read this one.	00:02:40
	So the first one is a.	00:02:41
	UH proclamation for Professional Municipal clerks week.	00:02:46
	The Office of the Professional whereas the Office of the Professional Municipal Clerks is a time honored and vital part of local	00:02:50
	government which exists throughout the world.	00:02:54
	The municipal clerks profession is one of the oldest among public servants, which traces back to biblical times and.	00:02:59
	Whereas municipal clerks.	00:03:05
	Provide a professional link between citizens, local governing bodies.	00:03:07
	And departments of government.	00:03:11
	Professional missile.	00:03:13
	Municipal clerks.	00:03:15
	Have pledged to be ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality.	00:03:16
	Rendering equal service to all and whereas municipal clerks.	00:03:20
	Serve as the Information Center on functions of local government and community.	00:03:24
	They continually strive to improve administration of the affairs in the office of the Professional Municipal Clerk through	00:03:29
	participation in education programs, seminars, workshops.	00:03:35
	And annual meetings of their state and international professional organizations.	00:03:40
	And whereas it is most appropriate that we recognize accomplishments.	00:03:45
	Of municipal clerks as they celebrate the 56th anniversary.	00:03:49
	Professional Municipal Clerk Week.	00:03:53
	Now, therefore, I Gregory Lockhart, Mayor of Saint Mary's, Georgia.	00:03:55
	Do hereby proclaim the week of May 4th to May 10th.	00:03:59
	2025 as professional Municipal Clerk Week.	00:04:02
	We further extend appreciation to our professional municipal clerk, Deborah Walker Reed.	00:04:06
	And all professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform.	00:04:11
	And their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent.	00:04:15
	And witnessed thereof, I am here unto set my hand.	00:04:19
	This fifth day of May, in the year of our Lord 2025.	00:04:22
	Well, and thank you, Miss.	00:04:26
	Thank you.	00:04:28
	Our second proclamation is for National Public Works Week.	00:04:34
	Whereas public works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities and services that are of vital importance to the	00:04:40
	sustainable.	00:04:44
	And resilient communities.	00:04:47
	And to public health, high quality of life and well-being of the people of the city of Saint Mary's, Georgia.	00:04:49
	And whereas these infrastructure facilities and services could not be provided.	00:04:54
	Without the dedicated efforts of public works professionals.	00:04:59
	Who are engineers, managers and employees at all levels of government and the private sector?	00:05:02
	Who are responsible for rebuilding, improving and protecting our nation's transportation?	00:05:08
	Water supply, water treatment, and solid waste systems.	00:05:13
	Public buildings and other structures and facilities.	00:05:17
	Essentials for our citizens.	00:05:20
	And whereas it is in the public interest for the citizens, civic leaders.	00:05:22
	And children in the city of Saint Mary's, Georgia, to gain knowledge of and maintain an ongoing interest in understanding.	00:05:26
	Of the importance of public works.	00:05:33
	And public works programs in their respective communities.	00:05:36
	And WHEREAS, the year 2025 marks the 65th annual National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association,	00:05:39
	Canadian Public Works Association.	00:05:44
	Be it now resolved, I, Gregory Lockhart, Mayor of the City of Saint Mary's, do hereby designate the week of May 18th.	00:05:50
	Through 24th, 2025.	00:05:56
	As National Public's work week.	00:05:59
	I urge all citizens to join with representatives of the American Public Works Association.	00:06:01
	And government agencies and activities, events and ceremonies.	00:06:06
	Designed to pay tribute to our public works professionals, engineers, managers and employees.	00:06:10
	And to recognize the substantial contribution contributions they make.	00:06:15
	To protecting our National Health, safety and advancing quality of life for all.	00:06:19
	In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand, and cause the seal of the city to be affixed.	00:06:24
	They today, May 5th.	00:06:29
	All right. Thank you very much to our public works as well as you need a little water there.	00:06:32
	Sorry, thank you to our public works.	00:06:37
	Employees and.	00:06:39
	All they do here in our city.	00:06:41
	A lot of times it goes unnoticed the work that both our clerks.	00:06:43
	And our public works employees do behind the scenes to.	00:06:47
	Make make the city run.	00:06:50
	Effectively and efficiently.	00:06:52
	We have board appointments.	00:06:54
	New board We have one vacant seat for the Tax Allocation district #3 Advisory Board.	00:06:57
	We have a board appointment.	00:07:04
	Term expiration for Camden County Board of Education sex education.	00:07:06
	Instructional review committee.	00:07:10
	And we have a hospital authority.	00:07:13
	Uh, Patricia Stevens.	00:07:17
	Term is expiring and we do have.	00:07:19
	A application.	00:07:22
	From Miss Judy *****.	00:07:24
	Anybody would want to make a motion.	00:07:26
	Already, Mr. Jones, And is there a second?	00:07:30
	Second by Mr. Rassi.	00:07:33
	Is there any discussion?	00:07:35
	All those in favor.	00:07:37
	Aye.	00:07:38
	Any that was unanimous.	00:07:40
	OK. Thank you.	00:07:42
	Welcome to the Hospital Authority, Miss *****.	00:07:44
	And thank you for your willingness to serve there so.	00:07:48
	And we also have.	00:07:50
	The Saint Mary's Library board.	00:07:52
	Term expiration from Denise.	00:07:55
	Denise Proctor's position so.	00:07:57
	If you have any interest in serving on any of these boards or.	00:07:59
	Authorities, we certainly appreciate your willingness to.	00:08:04
	To put in an application and.	00:08:08
	Sir, thank you.	00:08:11
	And so now we are to the Finance Report.	00:08:13
	Miss Miss Marsha, click in our finance director.	00:08:20
	Good evening, Mayor and Council.	00:08:24
	In your council package, you will find an overview of the city's revenue and expenditures through March the 31st.	00:08:27
	2025, which is the 9th month of the fiscal year FY25.	00:08:34
	Other reports are on a cash basis.	00:08:39
	Are there any questions?	00:08:43
	Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.	00:08:47
	Thank you and.	00:08:52
	I also want to mention that we had a.	00:08:54
	Very productive and long day last last Monday with the.	00:08:56
	With the finance department and our city manager as we worked on our city budget and we hope to have a.	00:09:00
	A budget for y'all to review here in the next couple of weeks.	00:09:06
	Mr. Horton.	00:09:12
	Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council citizens.	00:09:16
	Starting off the Manager's report and Public Works, the LAMEG 2025 has been advertised, which is the southern portion of Mission	00:09:20
	Trace Dr.	00:09:24
	The bid opening is June the 5th.	00:09:29
	The City Hall bid opening is May 29th.	00:09:33
	The Exit 1 fire station bid opening June the 3rd.	00:09:36
	The bid opening.	00:09:40
	We have bid openings this week for the emergency generators, which is part of the JIMA grant.	00:09:42
	The Boeing bid for Charlie Smith Senior Highway, Colerain Road and Dilworth St.	00:09:49
	Moving ahead.	00:09:59
	And our grants.	00:10:01
	The community development.	00:10:04
	Plan first application.	00:10:05
	Do the 15th of this month the Safe Streets for all safety action planning.	00:10:08
	Grant is due the 26th of June.	00:10:14
	The MRR Library roof grant application is due.	00:10:17
	Working with the US Army Corps of Engineers on potential funding for the following projects. The Saint Mary St. Flood mitigation	00:10:23
	Fire Station 2 bunker in the kitchen Fire Station 2 training facility.	00:10:29
	The aquatic training center swimming pool at Aquatic Center.	00:10:35
	And the Saint Mary's Road.	00:10:39
	Resurfacing.	00:10:41
	In it they're working through.	00:10:43
	They're working through fixing equipment and upgrades as possible this week.	00:10:47
	Cybersecurity. They're doing cybersecurity certificate training.	00:10:52
	Managing and coordinating vendors for all city projects. the IT road map is in the final planning.	00:10:56
	Is underway.	00:11:03
	Looking into server replacements for 2027.	00:11:04
	Going to start replacing computers at PD as a.	00:11:09
	Arrive and working on Windows 11 upgrade.	00:11:13
	Project with Neos.	00:11:17
	In our finance department.	00:11:19
	There will be a council workshop for the 26th.	00:11:21
	FY20 6 Budget on May the 12th at 5:30 PM.	00:11:25
	Again.	00:11:31
	There will be a.	00:11:32
	Council workshop for the FY20 6 budget on May 12th.	00:11:33
	Beginning at 5:30 PM.	00:11:37
	A public hearing.	00:11:40
	Will be for the 26th. Budget will be held on May 19th getting at 5:30.	00:11:42
	So please mark that on your council or on your calendars council.	00:11:50
	Our Police Department during the month of April, Police Department answered 3399 calls for service.	00:11:55
	The Police Department conducted 1164 security checks.	00:12:02
	There were 46 arrests, which included 26 narcotic cases.	00:12:07
	For Duis.	00:12:11
	The Police Department conduct or completed 110 case reports, 13 accident reports. The Police Department conducted 493 traffic	00:12:13
	stops, issuing 182 citations.	00:12:20
	There are currently 2 certified officers on the crossover.	00:12:27
	Phase for the employment process.	00:12:31
	In our fire department.	00:12:34
	April for April.	00:12:36
	Total calls were 243.	00:12:38
	Average response times 3 minutes, 4 seconds.	00:12:40
	Average response time for EMS is 4 minutes, 9 seconds.	00:12:44
	They conducted 70 fire inspections. The department has received a $750 donation from the National Home Sprinkler Association.	00:12:49
	To build a sprinkler prop for education purposes.	00:12:56
	The building department, they've had 445 inspections, 58 E&S inspections, issue, 37 certificate of occupancies.	00:13:00
	In our community development department.	00:13:11
	Has transitioned all Planning Commission, historic preservation Commission and site development plan applications to cloud permit.	00:13:13
	Bringing the planning module of the cloud permit live marks.	00:13:21
	The final piece of the transition is city permitting to fully digital.	00:13:26
	Over the next month, staff will be working with applicants to help.	00:13:31
	With the transition, that is one of our master plan items that we're being able to check off.	00:13:35
	And.	00:13:44
	I believe.	00:13:46
	That concludes my report proceeding.	00:13:55
	Any questions?	00:13:59
	Thank you.	00:14:01
	Any questions from Mr. Horton?	00:14:02
	Are we? I do have a question about the ditch.	00:14:04
	Maintenance, it says Crooked River Plantation ditch maintenance and alcohol area maintenance.	00:14:08
	It was estimated to be completed by the end of.	00:14:15
	April. So how are we doing on that?	00:14:19
	It's complete.	00:14:23
	OK.	00:14:27
	So.	00:14:29
	Oh, would you come to the mic please?	00:14:32
	So the question was all right, is Crooked River including the outfall area?	00:14:43
	Completed.	00:14:48
	As far as I know they have moved on to the start. They're moving on to the Somerset area in Chateau.	00:14:49
	OK, so the only remaining issue there is the.	00:14:55
	Privately owned.	00:15:00
	Over driveways that are.	00:15:01
	On our right of way, the culverts correct.	00:15:04
	And clearing eyes. So have we made any progress with?	00:15:07
	Solving that.	00:15:12
	Probably things that we talked about during the budget session about trying to have a work session on to.	00:15:15
	Workshop not only.	00:15:20
	Preferred methodology of cleaning out but also the legal issues.	00:15:21
	And cost, you know, if required, if we're going to be providing a?	00:15:25
	The service, you know whether or not we need to have any kind of fees for that or so we'll.	00:15:30
	We get that schedule.	00:15:35
	Yeah, great. Thank you very much.	00:15:37
	Yes.	00:15:42
	OK.	00:15:45
	Thank you, Mr. Horton.	00:15:47
	So we will now go with the.	00:15:49
	Specifying the consent agenda.	00:15:53
	So we have old business ordinance amendment.	00:15:55
	Zoning planned.	00:15:58
	Development District.	00:16:00
	Chapter 110. Section 11080, Item 8.	00:16:01
	And Senator, discuss.	00:16:07
	We did.	00:16:09
	Kind of discussed at last meeting.	00:16:10
	I'll unless anyone wants to discuss it, I'll say I consent the item.	00:16:13
	Consent, consent, consent. Consent.	00:16:17
	OK. We also have under old business the amendment Chapter 86 for subdivisions.	00:16:22
	Consent. Consent.	00:16:29
	Under new business, we have the Saint Mary's Park commerce interest signs. We will need to discuss that because we have a choice	00:16:33
	to make there.	00:16:36
	Yes, Sir.	00:16:41
	Mr. Scott, Approval of revised item B Approval of revised easement agreements with Radiant Saint Mary's LLC Discuss.	00:16:42
	Discuss. Yeah.	00:16:51
	It's already been approved.	00:16:53
	Item C Saint Mary's Intercoastal Gateway Marina seasonal dock space for Camden County residents.	00:16:56
	Consent. Consent.	00:17:02
	Item D.	00:17:09
	Rezoning request for tax parcel 135F004B from R3.	00:17:10
	Which is medium and high density multifamily residential.	00:17:16
	Item E Minor subdivision final plat request for tax. Parcel 160C060 Paula and Glenn, sorry.	00:17:24
	Item F Minor subdivision Final flat request for tax Parcel 148 A OH 53.	00:17:36
	Item G Minor subdivision Final plat request for tax. Parcel 140-8031.	00:17:47
	Conservation.	00:17:53
	Item H Rezoning request for 118 2nd St. from R1 single family to R2.	00:17:57
	I think it's involved me. Can we table that for about two months?	00:18:04
	You can talk about that during our public.	00:18:10
	Hearing session.	00:18:13
	Item I Minor subdivision Final request for tax Partial parcel 135, E 02/08.	00:18:19
	Consent. Consent.	00:18:26
	Item J.	00:18:31
	Mission trace culvert replacement.	00:18:33
	Contract.	00:18:35
	Discuss. Yes, discuss.	00:18:36
	Item K Budget Ordinance Amendment FY20 25 General fund donation received for tree board consent.	00:18:41
	And item L Georgia Municipal association District 12 officer election.	00:18:51
	Consent.	00:18:56
	All right, so to clarify and go down the list the items that will be.	00:19:02
	Consented if we don't hear something to change our minds during public.	00:19:09
	Comments or items?	00:19:13
	On old business items A&B.	00:19:16
	Under New Business Items C.	00:19:19
	DEFG.	00:19:21
	HI, K&L.	00:19:26
	So with that we will open up the.	00:19:32
	The microphone to public comment and.	00:19:37
	Just a reminder of what we're doing. You can speak about things that are on gender or not on agenda. 5 minute limit please.	00:19:41
	And go from there.	00:19:47
	Tom Canning, 410 appointment Peter Place.	00:19:49
	To respect the five minute limit, I've got a script that I'm going to read it.	00:19:53
	Over the years, I've asked counsel for specific action regarding the stormwater management utility.	00:19:57
	My latest e-mail to a few council members are sent on 29 April.	00:20:03
	I'm going to read the basic content to the e-mail.	00:20:09
	As a reminder, this is an excerpt from my.	00:20:13
	This reference.	00:20:16
	Quote be it, and it is hereby ordered by the Mayor and Council of City.	00:20:18
	Of Saint Mary's this 20th day of September.	00:20:25
	2021.	00:20:28
	The chapter 80 of the city.	00:20:30
	Saint Mary's Code of Ordinances is hereby amended to add the following pertaining to.	00:20:33
	Establishment of storm water utility.	00:20:39
	The Stonewood utility user fee rate structure.	00:20:42
	And the procedure in which to establish the storm water.	00:20:46
	User fee Billy grades again. That's 2021.	00:20:50
	From the convenience.	00:20:55
	That references in the section 80-4 in the ordinance.	00:20:57
	Weeks ago during the fiscal year 2026 budget.	00:21:02
	Discussions yet to be adjusted and proposed.	00:21:06
	The subject of stonewalling utility was not directly discussed and budgeted.	00:21:10
	At best.	00:21:14
	Staff and council nibbled around the edges, discussing dedicated workers.	00:21:15
	And specialized equipment for culverts, stitches under driveway, drainage pipes, property owner and city responsibilities, et	00:21:20
	cetera.	00:21:24
	While relying on the general fund.	00:21:29
	For the for.	00:21:32
	Related course.	00:21:35
	Two weeks ago that the City Council meeting the public attendees clearly and emotionally made clear.	00:21:37
	That concerns dissatisfaction with city performance.	00:21:44
	Regarding stormwater management, drainage, digits, conference, etc.	00:21:48
	For that substantiation.	00:21:53
	I am of the opinion that the barrier for the city to fully engage this ordinance.	00:21:55
	May be a schedule of storm water utility user fee charges.	00:22:01
	Based primarily on the amount of impervious services located on each improved property.	00:22:06
	Is the most appropriate inequitable means. That's a quote out of the ordinance.	00:22:12
	In this case, this challenge will never be easier.	00:22:18
	Let's fight the bullet and define specifics and implement down as always.	00:22:21
	First hand experience and feedback.	00:22:26
	Future judicious adjustments can be made.	00:22:29
	Put it in place now. If you need to make adjustments as you always do, review it and make your adjustments.	00:22:33
	I respectfully suggest that the utility ordinance should not continue to be ignored.	00:22:39
	It is past time to include the significant city utility responsibility.	00:22:45
	In his coming and future city budgets.	00:22:50
	Suggesting that there is insufficient time to include this in this coming year's budget.	00:22:53
	And billing schedule should not stand.	00:22:59
	No matter what the council decides, there will be complaints.	00:23:02
	From the public in general, and probably more specifically from business owners, churches, et cetera.	00:23:06
	The pain will be worth the gain.	00:23:12
	Doing the right thing is really.	00:23:15
	Easy to look forward to any.	00:23:17
	And all actions and responses.	00:23:19
	The other item I have.	00:23:22
	This e-mail.	00:23:24
	And hopefully most of you recognize these comments that I've provided.	00:23:26
	From the 2nd of May I sent this e-mail to a few council members.	00:23:30
	Attached for your info. This is the follow up on emails and brief discussions.	00:23:35
	No, no lease fee.	00:23:40
	For 10 years and approved by consent.	00:23:44
	That was the status of the contract.	00:23:47
	With the sub.	00:23:51
	Museum. The purpose of this e-mail was to suggest that the submarine museum.	00:23:53
	A nonprofit organization that raises operating funds.	00:23:58
	Should pay a monthly fee to use the 9000 square feet of city property in prime Midtown locations.	00:24:02
	Funded by.	00:24:10
	City taxiles.	00:24:12
	And of course, the City Council publicly justify this continuation of this tax burden.	00:24:13
	Thank you.	00:24:20
	Good evening, Robert Moore, 509 Westgate Circle. Good evening, Mayor, Council staff.	00:24:45
	I was debating on coming in tonight because it didn't seem like any kind of.	00:24:50
	Barn burner topics on here a lot of.	00:24:55
	That but I'm glad as the ditch man of perfect river. Yes, there has been dig and digging, especially from the out the outfall	00:24:58
	ditch at the southeastern corner of the subdivision by the Dollar General.	00:25:03
	That's the one that feeds my circle all the way down to that canal. So the Northside of Winding Rd.	00:25:09
	But the culverts, kind of. It's a mute point if culverts don't flow.	00:25:15
	Storm water utility.	00:25:19
	Those comments.	00:25:22
	Yes, I think we should implement it. I'm always about kind of tying your guys hands with the money for a purpose.	00:25:23
	However, I do recall that there was.	00:25:28
	Carve outs where people could put up and put retention ponds or.	00:25:31
	You know, they can kind of.	00:25:35
	Reduce their bill if if they have the room and all that.	00:25:37
	I think everybody should just have.	00:25:41
	Either a flat fee or they're not able to.	00:25:43
	Sidestep those fees.	00:25:47
	Now on to, I guess some positive things. I have some kudos.	00:25:50
	Mr. Stein, Mr. McMahon of your office prompt.	00:25:55
	We got an answer about tree trimming in a commercial district, so I appreciate that.	00:25:59
	Also, Councilwoman Keen, I appreciate your candid phone call about the PSA.	00:26:03
	And then on to a topic. Mark Walters, I think the name is LA Dodgers, man, as everybody says.	00:26:09
	Everybody's mad at them.	00:26:15
	Why are we mad at the people selling? I guess it's more for the people. My fellow residents, why are you mad at him? He's just got	00:26:16
	money.	00:26:20
	He's not sending people that look like Councilman NAC with a flat cap and a lead pipe to force them to.	00:26:23
	Pay up so you know I'm saying.	00:26:29
	So hey, don't take my kneecap.	00:26:32
	Anyway, so.	00:26:34
	And then quick question, I understand the rules Agenda H that was that affordable housing project, I don't recall.	00:26:40
	Did the city move forward? I I took it that we said no to that, but.	00:26:49
	The one out on Colerain.	00:26:53
	Umm, you're whining.	00:26:56
	But.	00:26:58
	Which I hope we said no because to me I always laugh. What exactly is affordable housing? How big is affordable housing?	00:26:59
	That target seems to move.	00:27:06
	And.	00:27:08
	Yeah, maybe we need a moratorium about that.	00:27:09
	And then umm uh.	00:27:12
	The last meeting, Mr. I think it was Gamble.	00:27:14
	Gentleman with the vest.	00:27:17
	Spoke about a 94 year old with a tree in the ditch.	00:27:19
	I I'd like to know, was that the first time that was brought up to city staff?	00:27:23
	That there was a tree in the ditch.	00:27:27
	So seems like that tree has been there a long time.	00:27:31
	And then I do have a question for Councilman Jones. Is that the same tree?	00:27:37
	That you mentioned in North River back in January.	00:27:42
	After the swearing in ceremony.	00:27:45
	If you had the pictures then did you send it to city staff and is it more city staff not taking actions three months later to	00:27:49
	remove a tree or?	00:27:54
	Umm, did it not reach the set? Thank you.	00:27:59
	Bert Seals, 816 Riverview Dr.	00:28:17
	I got me all glass.	00:28:21
	This time around.	00:28:25
	A 5 minute glass. A 5 minute.	00:28:27
	Because I'm gonna make sure.	00:28:29
	I'm gonna get my 5 minutes in.	00:28:31
	You know.	00:28:33
	And, umm.	00:28:34
	I think I need the time.	00:28:37
	Don't worry, but I'm.	00:28:39
	I'm gonna put it on up there, so.	00:28:43
	You know you can see it, right? But you gotta turn it upside down. I'm not yet.	00:28:45
	Oh.	00:28:50
	I gave my name and everything so good.	00:28:52
	We can set up that now.	00:28:58
	I sent.	00:29:03
	Some information that the citizen input portal.	00:29:05
	And I and.	00:29:08
	That was on the.	00:29:10
	Tuesday the 29th of May.	00:29:13
	April, sorry. And well, I haven't really heard anything back.	00:29:15
	Because wise I was speaking and when I got.	00:29:19
	See that my time was up.	00:29:23
	I wasn't able to get my information and so when I did well, I went to the citizen input portal.	00:29:25
	And I put it in there.	00:29:30
	And according to Congressman Keen.	00:29:32
	And I don't know if she got it, but I sent it through and everybody should have gotten it.	00:29:35
	And is a corner citizen.	00:29:39
	Input portal so it should move there waiting for you guys.	00:29:41
	But no response.	00:29:46
	Because I think maybe the city manager would have said something back.	00:29:49
	Or maybe you or did you get it?	00:29:54
	Please.	00:29:57
	I want to.	00:29:59
	You guys going to speak about the?	00:30:02
	The culvert replacement.	00:30:05
	Some will leave it alone because since you guys are going to discuss it.	00:30:07
	Because I'm looking at the arm.	00:30:09
	The prices. The courts.	00:30:11
	Very, very, very interesting.	00:30:13
	You know, so I want to get that out there.	00:30:15
	One of the things I want to talk about is, you know, we get a water bill.	00:30:18
	And we look at, you know, we have water.	00:30:23
	Water to sewer Sewer to garbage Garbage 2.	00:30:25
	And I'm like.	00:30:29
	I like what's what's going on here. It's a lot of money that we're collecting.	00:30:31
	From the citizens.	00:30:35
	And I'm going back into the solid waste fun.	00:30:37
	You know, for the.	00:30:40
	Finance people.	00:30:43
	We are 405,801.	00:30:44
	And the deficit, a shortfall on that.	00:30:48
	So you know the vehicle cash balance was 290-4667.	00:30:52
	So I'm kind of lost with that.	00:30:56
	Of course, the Aquatic Center, we talked about that.	00:30:58
	And you know 162.151.	00:31:01
	Anderson, Mary's Marina.	00:31:04
	25,000 I can bear that. Yeah, we're still working on that.	00:31:06
	But the Aquatic Center?	00:31:11
	We need to think about that.	00:31:13
	And.	00:31:15
	One of the.	00:31:28
	One of the things that I spoke about.	00:31:30
	Was the flags.	00:31:33
	You know something? I don't speak on that.	00:31:35
	The flags Why were the flags removed from 2603 Osborne St.	00:31:38
	In front of thee.	00:31:43
	The new City Hall.	00:31:44
	So I've been talking about that.	00:31:46
	Couple times.	00:31:49
	So I was asking that but in the in the portal.	00:31:50
	So we talked about.	00:31:53
	One of the things I'll be.	00:31:56
	The Palmetto tree.	00:31:58
	Since crashed on the truck.	00:32:01
	You know if I see this many drive.	00:32:03
	You know, and I said it needs to be removed.	00:32:07
	Or trim back further.	00:32:10
	That's on.	00:32:11
	Right in the in the new arm.	00:32:13
	You said the hall will be.	00:32:17
	And.	00:32:19
	One of the things I'm going to.	00:32:21
	We talked about the parents. I'm not going to get there no more because I think I'll be going.	00:32:23
	That's gonna be attended to just. Only thing I want to say is don't use.	00:32:27
	As possible with the taxpayers money.	00:32:33
	I don't care whatever they get.	00:32:36
	But then we use the taxpayers money for any kind of incentive.	00:32:37
	And the taste of Camden.	00:32:41
	I always go through those things. Was well received.	00:32:44
	By me and my guests.	00:32:47
	But apparently it was not fully attended.	00:32:49
	Because I might recommendation is that.	00:32:52
	We don't have the taste of camera at the same time.	00:32:55
	Of the annual Woodbine Crawfish Festival.	00:32:58
	Everybody is using that crawfish festival.	00:33:02
	For barbecues, family reunions.	00:33:04
	So you know you're competing with that.	00:33:08
	And, you know, so anybody come around to taste the Camden?	00:33:12
	So, you know, for food.	00:33:16
	And you know, so I think that's my recommendation. I mean, I think that was something.	00:33:18
	I want to throw that out here.	00:33:22
	And that.	00:33:24
	Since.	00:33:26
	I got solved with them but I still wonder there's things that I asked.	00:33:28
	On the portal.	00:33:32
	I still like to know.	00:33:33
	Boom.	00:33:35
	Respond just a couple? Sure, just for everybody's.	00:33:42
	Information.	00:33:45
	We found out.	00:33:48
	Earlier today, like around lunchtime.	00:33:49
	That for some reason something's happened to our citizens portal.	00:33:52
	And our messages aren't coming through.	00:33:56
	So if you will.	00:33:59
	If you will, send it directly to me and I'll make sure that Council gets it as well.	00:34:01
	But we apologize for that. We it's happening something on the website side.	00:34:06
	I'll get it. I'll get it from, I'll get it from.	00:34:13
	I just want to apologize for that.	00:34:17
	Thank you.	00:34:20
	OK.	00:34:24
	Larry White, 102 Sylvia's Court Good evening, Mayor and council.	00:34:32
	City manager. Assistant city manager.	00:34:36
	I looked at the.	00:34:41
	The dies up here.	00:34:42
	And I've been coming to city council's for so long.	00:34:44
	That the only one here is.	00:34:47
	It may be close to half of what happened come to Missouri.	00:34:49
	He's been on a console longer than the others.	00:34:52
	I'm not sure about Alan. I don't think he has.	00:34:54
	But let me just say.	00:34:58
	That Tom Canning brought up an excellent point.	00:35:00
	Back in 2000 and.	00:35:04
	21.	00:35:08
	City Council approved the.	00:35:09
	Storm water.	00:35:12
	Management plan.	00:35:13
	Nope. All right, You all been kicking the can down the road for a long time.	00:35:15
	There's another expression I could like to say.	00:35:21
	Being an old singer, but I can't see it in public.	00:35:23
	He knows what I'm talking about.	00:35:27
	I think it's time for the City Council.	00:35:32
	Do something.	00:35:35
	Why don't you go ahead and assess?	00:35:36
	A thief all.	00:35:39
	People that have water in the city of Saint Mary's.	00:35:41
	So we can get rid of the storm water.	00:35:45
	I've been here long enough to know that every time we get a.	00:35:47
	That storm or hurricane?	00:35:50
	Downtown Saint Mary's floods.	00:35:52
	To at least a foot and a half of water.	00:35:54
	On the streets down there.	00:35:57
	And it gets into gets into some businesses.	00:35:58
	And I'm amazed at the.	00:36:02
	That the marginal squares will survive long.	00:36:04
	As it has.	00:36:07
	Been flooded so many times.	00:36:08
	With water in downtown.	00:36:10
	And one of the point I'd like to make have time.	00:36:13
	I don't think think people need to be using.	00:36:17
	Social media.	00:36:19
	To put down anybody on a City Council.	00:36:21
	No matter who it is.	00:36:24
	If you want to.	00:36:25
	If you got a grievance.	00:36:27
	With the City Council, the mayor.	00:36:28
	Need to come here and talk about it or e-mail them directly.	00:36:30
	So they can respond to it.	00:36:34
	And make sure you Get the facts.	00:36:36
	Thank you.	00:36:38
	I'm using all this but forgive me.	00:36:45
	I say something wrong. My name is David McNabb, I live at 1703 Point Peter Rd.	00:36:48
	I'm here about.	00:36:53
	H and I.	00:36:55
	On the agenda?	00:36:57
	I just want to table this for two months.	00:36:59
	Is there a reason?	00:37:05
	Is that your property?	00:37:07
	Yeah, it's my property. I want to.	00:37:09
	Owned several properties in town.	00:37:11
	Jamie, do you want to?	00:37:15
	Good evening, Council and mayor.	00:37:17
	Point of clarification, Mr. McNabb, you still want to split the parcel, right?	00:37:23
	So that's item.	00:37:29
	The final plan can proceed.	00:37:32
	I thank you. I think Mr. McNabb is.	00:37:36
	Delaying the rezoning to our two.	00:37:39
	Yeah, for right now.	00:37:42
	I don't have a problem with them, my only concern would be if.	00:37:46
	Delay in the rezoning leads to an automatic approval.	00:37:49
	Which the attorney can answer. The ordinances don't impose a deadline by which council has to make a decision. There are there are	00:37:54
	deadlines obviously for the hearing and that process.	00:37:59
	The Planning Commission, but that's already been done so.	00:38:05
	I don't see an issue with a big table.	00:38:08
	So would you like for us to continue with the subdivision and just?	00:38:11
	Yeah, that's what I.	00:38:15
	We wanna do this. Hold on the on the.	00:38:17
	Delay the.	00:38:20
	Rezoning for right now. OK, so you would like for us to not consent on?	00:38:21
	Item.	00:38:26
	From the time being, yeah. And just to table that, yes.	00:38:28
	And then it's OK to consent on item I.	00:38:32
	For the minor subject.	00:38:35
	OK.	00:38:37
	Thank you.	00:38:39
	02 Salt grass Trace, Saint Mary's.	00:38:48
	Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, staff.	00:38:51
	In regards to Mr. Moore's comment.	00:38:55
	Relative to the stormwater mitigation.	00:38:58
	Plan Ordinance.	00:39:02
	I think that.	00:39:05
	Certainly it's a good idea to have one.	00:39:07
	However.	00:39:10
	In the process of.	00:39:11
	Reviewing it.	00:39:13
	I would.	00:39:16
	And to make sure that.	00:39:18
	The fees that are going to be charged.	00:39:22
	The land area that's going to be looked at.	00:39:25
	It's going to be something that's going to be equitable across the board for all residents.	00:39:31
	You know the city of Saint Mary's.	00:39:37
	In no particular areas allowed to be excluded.	00:39:40
	Because of.	00:39:44
	A special process that they may or may not have in place.	00:39:46
	Please recognize that.	00:39:53
	Different areas in Saint Mary's.	00:39:56
	Have specialized retention.	00:39:59
	There is 4.	00:40:04
	Storm water.	00:40:06
	As soon as people leave those particular areas.	00:40:08
	They are benefiting from Saint Mary's storm water management.	00:40:12
	They get.	00:40:18
	What's the rocket?	00:40:20
	Parking lots that aren't flooded.	00:40:23
	And a lot of other areas that they use.	00:40:25
	So again.	00:40:29
	I think that it's a great.	00:40:31
	But.	00:40:33
	I would recommend that.	00:40:35
	Catholic consideration begin to ensuring that.	00:40:36
	The charges are going to be equitable.	00:40:40
	Across all citizens, residents of Saint Mary's.	00:40:43
	OK. Thank you.	00:40:47
	Any other comments?	00:40:57
	OK. Thank you. We'll close the public comment session.	00:41:00
	And it is.	00:41:04
	Now it's time to vote on the consent agenda.	00:41:06
	Just to.	00:41:10
	Recap. So we know exactly what we're voting on. We're voting to consent on old business items. A&B.	00:41:12
	On new business.	00:41:18
	Item CD.	00:41:20
	EFG.	00:41:23
	IK&L.	00:41:27
	Is there a motion to approve this consent agenda?	00:41:31
	Motion by Mr. Nashmentos or second Second.	00:41:35
	Second by Mr. Ingram.	00:41:38
	Any discussion? Yes. Do we need to do anything additional for tabling idle major?	00:41:40
	The grand stable we can.	00:41:44
	We can table that and in the when we approve the regular the rest of the agenda.	00:41:46
	I'm good, OK.	00:41:51
	All right. Any other discussion, all those in favor?	00:41:53
	Aye, any opposed?	00:41:57
	Unanimous.	00:42:00
	Yes, Sir.	00:42:00
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you.	00:42:01
	All right. So now on to the approval of the agenda. So for the items for the agenda.	00:42:03
	What follows is a discussion.	00:42:13
	In new business of items AB.	00:42:15
	A tabling of item H.	00:42:19
	And discussion of item J.	00:42:21
	I have a motion to approve this agenda.	00:42:24
	Shall move Motion by Mr. Rashid.	00:42:26
	Second, second, second by Mr. Ingram.	00:42:29
	Any discussion?	00:42:32
	All those in favor, aye.	00:42:34
	Any opposed? Didn't get my head turned quick enough.	00:42:38
	That opposed or approved.	00:42:44
	Approved. OK.	00:42:47
	As a unanimous man, yes Sir.	00:42:49
	Gotta hold them up long enough for me to look both ways please.	00:42:52
	Try on here OK.	00:42:56
	So we will now begin with our new business.	00:42:58
	Item.	00:43:04
	Saint Mary's Commerce Park entrance sign.	00:43:06
	Mr. Horton, you gonna present that course, please?	00:43:09
	We got 2 bits.	00:43:12
	Good evening Mayor and Council again.	00:43:21
	Before you, you.	00:43:25
	Had the plans for the.	00:43:27
	Infant sound that is being.	00:43:30
	Proposed for the.	00:43:34
	Commerce Park, the entrance.	00:43:36
	You have two bids in front of you. One is with.	00:43:39
	Dalton signs.	00:43:44
	And another one.	00:43:46
	And I apologize now 'cause I'm gonna say this wrong.	00:43:48
	Thin yeast.	00:43:52
	DENYSE.	00:43:55
	Bolton.	00:44:07
	If you add it all up under.	00:44:12
	All Dalton's, it's probably right around $90,000.	00:44:15
	And when you look at the other company?	00:44:20
	They're right around $80,000.	00:44:23
	$10,000 difference between the two.	00:44:26
	The information that you see regarding solar powered.	00:44:30
	And the brochure that goes with the Dalton bid.	00:44:35
	And so our request is made it into our Council packet. Mr.	00:44:45
	Horton, but there was an e-mail.	00:44:49
	With feedback from Thomas and Hutton, who designed.	00:44:51
	Designed the entrance.	00:44:57
	Yeah, I don't believe that made it into our packet.	00:44:59
	Where everyone saw that e-mail?	00:45:02
	Just kind of comments with.	00:45:04
	About they kind of looked over evaluated both proposals.	00:45:07
	Anybody else know what I'm talking about?	00:45:11
	Because one of the things that I guess the differences.	00:45:16
	If you're, you know.	00:45:19
	Difference in up lighting.	00:45:21
	Individual structure as the way it was designed.	00:45:23
	Was only only.	00:45:26
	Presented in the.	00:45:29
	I don't know. I'm with you, Denise NYSE.	00:45:31
	Proposal.	00:45:36
	And.	00:45:38
	I think that was kind of the major thing, the difference also with the solar power versus the.	00:45:40
	Electrical.	00:45:45
	For the.	00:45:47
	2 Was it the other kind of two major things that I noticed, but.	00:45:49
	Who? Who did the solar power?	00:45:52
	Dalton was going to have a solar powered lighted and it would just be kind of face lighting and not individual up lighting on the	00:45:55
	on the metal columns.	00:45:59
	As was it designed, but.	00:46:04
	So.	00:46:08
	So we have those two proposals. I don't know are we prepared to?	00:46:12
	To make a motion and make the vote to approve one of these two events. This is funded through DASM.	00:46:18
	No, ma'am, this is a part of the Commerce part.	00:46:24
	Account.	00:46:28
	This will come out of tab. Cost has already been allocated within the bond that was issued by DASM.	00:46:29
	Yes, that was the bond that we got for from what you're asking now.	00:46:36
	Yes, ma'am, That was the bond that we got for the commerce part put roads.	00:46:42
	And the water sewer in there?	00:46:47
	And we have funds leftover from sale of the property.	00:46:50
	But that's.	00:46:54
	That's where it's coming from. Yes, ma'am.	00:46:56
	What would normally happen to those funds if they weren't spent?	00:47:01
	They have to go back into that project.	00:47:06
	I'm going to those were allocated as a part of that bond.	00:47:10
	I guess my concern is.	00:47:19
	But the entrance signs are lovely. I just am wondering if.	00:47:22
	We could do something that's a little bit less expensive but also looks nice.	00:47:28
	Have we gotten any other consideration for that?	00:47:35
	There's or are there alternative? You saw some of the alternatives that were proposed as a part of the original plan.	00:47:38
	Outside of what the plan is, that's where our limitations have been.	00:47:46
	Am I correct then?	00:47:52
	Difference.	00:47:59
	The motion which will the staff's recommendation between the two.	00:48:03
	The one that's being proposed, remember.	00:48:10
	So.	00:48:13
	We're talking landscaping. Talk about the landscaping plan.	00:48:21
	The sign. The signs. The sign.	00:48:25
	Is the land.	00:48:28
	This is space lighting, so there's going to be an additional charge. I'm sorry for the landscape. Landscaping is all 11 price.	00:48:30
	This is being done through the JDA.	00:48:35
	OK. And the solar is the because a lot?	00:48:41
	I mean, in my understanding of solar, it's not as bright as.	00:48:45
	As.	00:48:49
	Wired in is that? Is there a difference? Well, the other one has got the underneath lighting in. It also has and when you look at	00:48:50
	the.	00:48:53
	Nancy or whatever it is when they talk about the description, it also has.	00:48:58
	Up lighting and down lighting.	00:49:03
	On the song, on which one Dolan or?	00:49:05
	Then yes.	00:49:08
	Uploading on the individual post, kind of like you see in 1.3 picture there and it's not really.	00:49:11
	And importance beans custom.	00:49:18
	Folks, Clinton finished and uplifting, incorporated in a fabric base and in the top of the center.	00:49:21
	As far as what that does to the overall design.	00:49:28
	And just to the overall kind of design and the process that you know this process started back when.	00:49:41
	I was still on Joint Development Authority.	00:49:47
	And then we went through a number of iterations. There was a.	00:49:49
	Low, medium, high, you know we.	00:49:53
	A lot of discussion that was around that was trying to find something that was.	00:49:58
	Pleasant looking, but not.	00:50:02
	Overly maintenance, guardian. Well, not overly maintenance intensive.	00:50:03
	Down the road, not.	00:50:09
	Put in types of plantings and things that would require a lot of.	00:50:10
	Long term, you know, or costly maintenance and.	00:50:13
	This was kind of a middle of the road proposal that.	00:50:17
	That you know.	00:50:20
	Was kind of.	00:50:22
	Push forward by the Joint Development Authority in their work with Thomas and Hutton.	00:50:24
	In this design.	00:50:28
	I just see going down.	00:50:30
	The business, umm in Douglasville, I think that's umm what we talked about. That's where one bids came from.	00:50:33
	Are they, are they going to be able to do the upkeep on it and everything that it's going to take on it?	00:50:39
	Yearly basis or every three years or whatever and are they going to have to come from West of Atlanta?	00:50:46
	Or, you know, because we got somebody here local that's giving us a bid as well. I agree.	00:50:53
	It's they would have to be the ones come. I would assume that there would be. I would assume there would be a delay.	00:50:59
	That I don't know so.	00:51:08
	This was all orchestrated through.	00:51:09
	Of getting the beds and.	00:51:13
	Getting the proposals and as far as both signs, are they pretty much the same?	00:51:15
	The actual signs are pretty much the same yesterday.	00:51:20
	So the lighting is the biggest thing. If I'm understanding correctly, it's the difference of 5000, right?	00:51:23
	No, Sir, it's almost 10.	00:51:28
	74 and 79 did I look at what was motion, you got that up all the.	00:51:30
	When you go to the second page of Daltons, he's also got $16,000 solar.	00:51:36
	OK, he's got two options. My apologies.	00:51:43
	That's been correct for 79 on my paper 7988641, right?	00:51:45
	Well.	00:51:52
	And that still has the lighting up and down.	00:51:53
	And wired instead of solar.	00:51:57
	Or whatever.	00:52:00
	Like on Denisi the difference was they don't use solar and it has up and down lighting correct?	00:52:02
	Yes, and then with Dalton they use solar only from the bottom.	00:52:08
	That's the only difference in front.	00:52:13
	Kind of projecting onto the face.	00:52:16
	Won't be individual up lighting on.	00:52:20
	The vertical pieces or whatever.	00:52:23
	And my apologies, there are there are two options on this solar lighting.	00:52:26
	Because I just want because if there's a difference in 5000.	00:52:31
	And we don't have to find a solar panel.	00:52:35
	Place to put it. I would think that's money well spent. You're spending that much on a sign to go with the one that's non solar.	00:52:37
	And you don't have to put a panel anywhere and you have individual lighting on each versus just facing the sign.	00:52:44
	But I didn't see that one.	00:52:50
	I'm looking at the wrong page.	00:52:52
	Clarity, when you look at the Dalton, he's got 2 solar options there. He's got a 600 Watt.	00:52:55
	And you've also got a 400 Watt.	00:53:03
	So the less expensive would be the 400 Watt which was 13348.	00:53:06
	And you add that to the cost of the actual structure.	00:53:12
	60.	00:53:16
	Plus the $200 sign permit.	00:53:18
	Right. Plus the $200 sign permit.	00:53:21
	Yeah, probably. Do we know the cost of the utilities for keeping this?	00:53:24
	Light it all the time if we don't do solar.	00:53:30
	Not estimate on that.	00:53:33
	And I also think that there is a.	00:53:36
	Question about.	00:53:39
	Shopping locally?	00:53:41
	Mm-hmm. I'll make you.	00:53:43
	Local vendors.	00:53:46
	Because we can always reach out and touch those where.	00:53:48
	No, no. There's a lot of good work in the in the county.	00:53:52
	And.	00:53:56
	Moment you need them as a high school for something they're.	00:53:59
	Would he be able to give us a bid on non solar?	00:54:04
	Dolan yeah, man, I guess that was one of my main concerns is we don't have anything showing where they intend to try to put that	00:54:07
	panel.	00:54:11
	You know this is a sign that.	00:54:16
	Is in the middle of the road. You'll be driving on either side. I know that they have a.	00:54:19
	New sign out at exit 3 where the panel is behind the sign you know.	00:54:23
	And it doesn't have to be in the same place.	00:54:30
	So I don't know, you know, whether we want to.	00:54:35
	Table this so we can go out, you know, look and.	00:54:38
	More information, or if you're all ready to.	00:54:41
	I'm ready to vote.	00:54:43
	I think. I think we should table it. I think we should table it.	00:54:44
	I'd like to make a motion.	00:54:48
	That we table this and get some additional information.	00:54:51
	And we'll get some questions together for Mr. Horton and have this come up at the next meeting.	00:54:55
	Are there any other discussion, any discussion about the budget?	00:55:03
	All those in favor to table the motion till the next meeting.	00:55:07
	Two weeks.	00:55:11
	Weeks. And it was.	00:55:13
	Miss Jones opposed.	00:55:17
	So 5 to one with Mr. Jones Post.	00:55:19
	Move on to.	00:55:27
	Item J.	00:55:31
	The Mission Trace culvert replacement contract.	00:55:33
	About I'm sorry.	00:55:37
	Before we do that also in this.	00:55:41
	Packet we have the proposal from.	00:55:44
	Coastal greenery.	00:55:46
	To which would be the actual plantings.	00:55:49
	Umm, and the landscaping.	00:55:52
	Coastal greenery is already doing.	00:55:56
	Landscape maintenance in the Commerce Park.	00:55:58
	Uh, but this is.	00:56:01
	This is for the installation.	00:56:03
	Of the actual landscaping, plants, trees, flowers.	00:56:05
	Those types of things, you'll find that behind the.	00:56:09
	The section with the solar information.	00:56:12
	And we only have the one.	00:56:18
	Did we know why we only have one bid or is that?	00:56:20
	That was just only good given.	00:56:25
	OK, we had two.	00:56:28
	Only one for the actual installation of the planet.	00:56:31
	Yes, so.	00:56:36
	So are we prepared to make?	00:56:39
	A motion on that, yes.	00:56:41
	Yes, ma'am.	00:56:44
	And you already know.	00:56:49
	Solve part of the packet. So OK so we need to just table this as well then.	00:56:52
	As I understood it all.	00:56:58
	Taking any action right now, OK.	00:57:00
	We'll bring that back up and then we can check on second bit in the meantime as well. So.	00:57:04
	OK.	00:57:09
	So that takes us to the item.	00:57:14
	J The mission trace culvert replacement.	00:57:16
	Huh.	00:57:20
	Provide. Yes ma'am, Sorry I missed that.	00:57:23
	So that's the approval of the revised easement agreement with Radiant.	00:57:26
	Robbie, were you going to?	00:57:37
	Do we need anything there or do we just?	00:57:38
	Mr. Mayor, yes, Sir. So these these agreements are essentially identical to what was previously approved by Council, I think.	00:57:42
	To Marcia. Yes, thereabouts.	00:57:50
	But after they were previously approved.	00:57:54
	There were further discussions with ETM's, the engineering consultant.	00:57:56
	And it turned out the legal descriptions of the easement areas were a little off from what we actually needed.	00:58:00
	And so they had to go back and get revised legal descriptions that are the exhibits to these agreements.	00:58:07
	Because the legal descriptions were changed, I recommended that we bring it back to Council to make sure that the final version	00:58:13
	gets formally approved. OK, motion to approve.	00:58:17
	2nd, 2nd.	00:58:22
	OK. Motion by Mr. Ingram.	00:58:24
	Second by Miss King.	00:58:26
	Miss King.	00:58:29
	Any other discussion?	00:58:30
	All those in favor.	00:58:32
	Aye, So that's unanimous, Madam Clerk.	00:58:34
	Now if I'm.	00:58:40
	Not incorrect item J yeah.	00:58:41
	All right, Mr. Smith, thank you.	00:58:52
	Yes, Sir.	00:58:54
	What are your questions?	00:58:56
	So we have 3. Go ahead.	00:58:59
	My concern was, you know, we.	00:59:02
	We have one very conservative.	00:59:04
	And.	00:59:09
	I always.	00:59:11
	I tried to go into low vehicles.	00:59:12
	But I just wanted to be understood.	00:59:15
	By the contractor that.	00:59:19
	We will not accept any change, orders, anything.	00:59:21
	Down the line that she found out that.	00:59:25
	He missed something. It's going to be.	00:59:27
	Fitness responsibility.	00:59:29
	Responsibility to pay for.	00:59:31
	A lot of people did.	00:59:34
	Then they try to slide it in.	00:59:36
	That's the only discussion that I was.	00:59:40
	Mr. Smith, could you contractor who you know recently did our workout at?	00:59:43
	Commerce Commerce Park.	00:59:48
	There I don't believe.	00:59:50
	I'm not aware of any.	00:59:53
	Change orders that resulted through that process, so and I know it does say.	00:59:54
	I'll work as described in the scope of the work is showing the drawings, but point well taken that we don't want a bunch of change	01:00:00
	orders and pumping the price up that time.	01:00:04
	Budget feel fairly confident that.	01:00:09
	Well, construction.	01:00:14
	We've worked with them before and they're they're very good.	01:00:16
	And Jeremy does a good job with his quoting.	01:00:19
	Could could you just tell us where the three culverts are located? I may have missed that in the package, but I didn't see it.	01:00:23
	All right. Off the top of my head, I don't have the exact location for the mission trace, but they're going where we're looking to	01:00:31
	pave with Lameg 25.	01:00:35
	They're up on that section of the mission, Trace Rd. their culverts underneath the road.	01:00:39
	And we want them replaced before we try to pave and then go back and cut the road up to replace them later.	01:00:43
	So that includes the culvert by Mr.	01:00:49
	Carol's house.	01:00:53
	The end closest to Coleraine.	01:00:58
	I thought, I'm pretty sure it's the north side on that.	01:01:02
	We're doing the South side first.	01:01:11
	South side portion.	01:01:14
	The Make 25 is doing that north.	01:01:16
	So it's going to be.	01:01:19
	Isn't that right? Yes, the South side would be by Coleraine.	01:01:22
	The South side is being done first.	01:01:27
	That will make that's coming out for 25 that goes.	01:01:30
	And you, that's the north side. That's what this these culverts are on the north side.	01:01:34
	Which is I just don't know exactly where Mr.	01:01:39
	I think he's, he's the first culvert from Coleraine Rd. which would be the South side. So is this work being done on the it's all	01:01:43
	being done on the north side, should be on the north side because.	01:01:50
	I got a.	01:01:57
	Message from him today saying that someone from Public Works had been out to his.	01:01:58
	Place and he talked to them and they told him that we were doing the work on his culvert.	01:02:04
	That we as in the city or we as in the city yes so I just.	01:02:10
	You know, I'd like to know where the.	01:02:16
	For sure.	01:02:19
	Where this work is being done, I don't know that it's going to change the bid, but I didn't see a location in the bid.	01:02:22
	I'll be able to send you.	01:02:30
	We can get that to you.	01:02:33
	And we're and I guess we're doing 3 culverts here. And the question then?	01:02:35
	Core.	01:02:41
	Ask is, is this all the culverts that need to be replaced to make sure that it's all done correctly and you know, it's all fixed	01:02:42
	and.	01:02:46
	These are these are since we're doing this before we pay because we don't want to have to go back and fix that the other.	01:02:50
	It is follows the same logic and rationale.	01:02:58
	These three particular culverts.	01:03:02
	Who are beyond the scope of what our staff can.	01:03:04
	Replaced. That's why we're trying to contract it out.	01:03:08
	I'm pretty sure I'll have to verify.	01:03:12
	But I think our staff can do the Clover by Mr. Carroll's house.	01:03:14
	And that can be that will be done before.	01:03:19
	Seaboard does the paving by the end of June, end of July.	01:03:23
	OK, so we'll we'll have.	01:03:28
	3 culverts.	01:03:29
	Outside firm. The rest, of course, will be replaced by all.	01:03:31
	All culverts will be fixed and replaced before we pay.	01:03:35
	That is the intent. So when will public works do the work?	01:03:38
	On the culvert that.	01:03:43
	They can fix.	01:03:45
	I'll have to get back here, can you?	01:03:47
	Could we talk about that at the next council meeting? Yes, ma'am. Get that information together.	01:03:51
	Thank you.	01:03:57
	Thank you for answering my.	01:03:59
	My next question I was going to ask.	01:04:01
	With this, these three covets, were they out of the scope of our.	01:04:04
	Employees to replace, you said.	01:04:09
	We just, we couldn't do it with our staff. Yes, Sir.	01:04:13
	So just to confirm.	01:04:16
	These are all the culverts on Mission Trace, right? So we have 4 that need to be.	01:04:19
	Repaired This bit is for the three on the North End and then.	01:04:26
	Staff is only going to do 1.	01:04:32
	That is my understanding.	01:04:34
	OK. And you'll confirm that at the next meeting? Yes, ma'am.	01:04:36
	Thank you.	01:04:39
	OK. In a motion, Yeah, we have a motion to proceed.	01:04:42
	So I'd like to make a motion to go with Raul Contracting Incorporated for the amount of 80,800 for the mission trace culvert	01:04:46
	replacement second.	01:04:50
	Any other discussion?	01:04:56
	All those in favor.	01:04:58
	That's unanimous, ma'am. Clerk.	01:05:00
	We'll, we'll get Chris to put together a map, a GIS map for you, exactly where each of those culverts are.	01:05:04
	Yes, ma'am. Thank you.	01:05:11
	And that is all of the.	01:05:18
	Business on an old and new business.	01:05:22
	So, Madam Clerk, that makes us ready for our.	01:05:25
	Yes, Sir.	01:05:29
	On Wednesday, May 7th.	01:05:33
	At 5:00 PM we have the Development Authority Saint Mary's meeting in Main St.	01:05:35
	On Thursday, May 8th at 9:00 AM we have the 9:30 AM Sorry One Child Management Committee meeting and the Main Street office.	01:05:39
	Followed by an 11:00 AM invitation of vehicle amid and council chambers.	01:05:47
	Followed by 2:00 PM invitation bid for generators for.	01:05:51
	Continual critical services and council chambers.	01:05:56
	A 215 installation of the AIR for the Moen contract.	01:05:58
	And a 5:00 PM St. Mary's Intracoastal Gateway meeting in the Main Street office.	01:06:02
	On Friday, May 9th.	01:06:07
	At 9:00 AM we have Saint Mary's Municipal Court and here in Council Chambers.	01:06:09
	Amendy May 13, I'm sorry Monday, May 12th at 8:30 AM and Main Street we have the.	01:06:13
	Downtown Development Authority meeting and at 5:30 PM, also on May 12th.	01:06:19
	Here in Council chambers will be the Council Fiscal year 2026 budget work session.	01:06:25
	OK.	01:06:32
	All right. Thank you, ma'am.	01:06:34
	Council member comments.	01:06:39
	I'd like to just thank Miss Jamie Stein. I did get the chance to talk to free builders in person and in e-mail and I haven't heard	01:06:41
	any negative feedback and I know you did a ton of work on that. I just wanted to thank you so much for that subdivision the.	01:06:49
	Revision that you did and she put a lot of effort into that. So I know we just consented to move on, but I wanted to personally	01:06:58
	thank you for that.	01:07:01
	And then also the two other points is the storm water fee. I know that keeps coming up and it didn't come up a lot in budget.	01:07:04
	Maybe it's possibly even starting with a lower fee. I know that churches and.	01:07:11
	Commercial get affected more so and that's really the big push back. So maybe just to even get the ball rolling, maybe we start	01:07:16
	with a lower Fiat.	01:07:21
	You know, just kind of with.	01:07:26
	Ask staff that. Maybe we start thinking of that. Maybe we can go over that in the work session.	01:07:27
	And then the culverts and Crooked River. I agree with Mr. Rob Moore. I think that just cleaning out ditches, no matter how many	01:07:33
	people we have, no matter what.	01:07:36
	Equipment we have are just creating swimming pools in people's yard. I've been in talks with Attorney Blackerby and as Mayor	01:07:40
	already pointed out, we're going to have a work session for that. So just.	01:07:44
	Citizens, just to know that that's it's not as simple as oh, just have the city repair and it's not as simple as oh, just do code	01:07:49
	enforcement so that it's a little bit more technical for that. So we're trying to find out the best.	01:07:54
	Possible way to go about it so we don't make a mess out of it. So just after that work session, we'll be able to have better	01:08:00
	answers for you. But we're not dodging questions when you guys keep bringing that up. I mean, last week I had like 2 pages of	01:08:04
	notes that I had.	01:08:08
	You know a full page of notes. So we are listening when you guys bring these comments up, just know that we're hearing you that	01:08:13
	maybe some things might take a little longer than.	01:08:16
	Than we'd like even.	01:08:20
	Miss Johnson, May I?	01:08:23
	I got a text from Shirley Sessoms.	01:08:25
	She said unfortunately I can't make City Council meeting.	01:08:29
	And she had to take out somebody sick. And she said that to thank the mayor.	01:08:33
	For cleaning up the flower bed at the sign.	01:08:38
	I wish I could take credit for that. I don't know. I don't know personally do it, but I think it might have been the Garden Club.	01:08:41
	I saw a citizen. If you don't mind me commenting on it during your time I saw a citizen. It was a woman with her golf cart and she	01:08:47
	pulled up with it. You.	01:08:52
	Her sister Barbara, thank you for that. I watched her go out there and I drove by so we all said thank you. I'm working on the one	01:08:59
	at the end of Wheeler St.	01:09:04
	And she said also as he mowed the grass around the fountain.	01:09:11
	Because the area where the bench at the Matilda Harris sign is not.	01:09:16
	Hold OK, so.	01:09:20
	That is city right away. So we should be able to handle that area there. So and I wanted to.	01:09:23
	Comment on the.	01:09:29
	Question that Mister Moore asked.	01:09:30
	About the ditch.	01:09:33
	Where the tree was.	01:09:35
	I brought this up several times. I went down and gave the.	01:09:40
	The city, the address and everything also, and this would be going on for a couple of years.	01:09:47
	My thing is, and I didn't know Mr. Gamma was going to be bringing this up, but evidently he must have must have seen it.	01:09:53
	Umm, the tree is loaded with figs now, so.	01:10:00
	Let's wait until Fig season, oh before we decide to clean it up.	01:10:04
	We're going to table that until fix seasons over.	01:10:11
	I actually had noted similar to.	01:10:17
	Jeremy, to just comment on this time doing a good job doing that redraft.	01:10:21
	I did a good job of listening to some of our local developers to where we're able to come up with something reasonable that's	01:10:26
	going to let us have the fit, you know, the Saint Mary's.	01:10:31
	That we want and also was respectful to our local builders.	01:10:36
	So good job and thank you, Miss Sam.	01:10:40
	Yeah, that's pretty much all I had, actually. I'm good.	01:10:43
	What else I?	01:10:48
	Got one or two things. One, I want to thank the citizens for reaching out to me.	01:10:51
	With the death of my mom.	01:10:58
	And uh.	01:10:59
	Kind of tough for my family and.	01:11:01
	I just appreciate your birth.	01:11:04
	And I got some cards from somebody even today.	01:11:06
	It's in the chamber.	01:11:09
	Thanks, Chris. Thanks Chris. And.	01:11:10
	And it's hard and.	01:11:15
	The 4th of July festival pressing on.	01:11:17
	Working on the permits for the fireworks.	01:11:22
	On 4th of July and uh.	01:11:25
	And so we're excited about that and.	01:11:28
	And we're going to have a barbecue on July 3rd.	01:11:32
	Been in bed, wants to volunteer and help.	01:11:35
	I'd like to.	01:11:41
	Say that I agree with Jeremy on the stormwater.	01:11:43
	Issues and I'd like to ask management if they would schedule us a work session.	01:11:48
	To get started on that.	01:11:54
	So, um.	01:12:00
	I say Mr. Horton and I actually.	01:12:02
	First part of last week, we're in conversations about the stormwater drainage assessment.	01:12:06
	As noted, you know that kind of came four years ago and I was inquiring as to.	01:12:12
	So what? What happened? Why did this not proceed and.	01:12:17
	Apparently there were a lot of concerns at the time about.	01:12:21
	The fee structure and how it affects certain properties.	01:12:24
	In particular, some business properties.	01:12:29
	You know, businesses are allowed to.	01:12:32
	Build lot line to lot line in certain areas and those kinds of things and have a lot of impervious spaces and.	01:12:35
	In some instances.	01:12:41
	The assessment fee was going to be more costly than.	01:12:43
	Their property taxes for those properties and.	01:12:48
	That was kind of my understanding for why.	01:12:52
	It didn't really get inactive and.	01:12:55
	So, you know, I was having some conversations, well, about, you know.	01:12:57
	As Jeremy said, let's do something to get started, you know?	01:13:01
	Perhaps.	01:13:05
	You know, that's an area where we can look at some.	01:13:06
	Percentages.	01:13:08
	You know of, you know, impervious area versus the total area or whatever.	01:13:10
	Because we do not want to become.	01:13:16
	You know anti business, especially with the talk about redevelopment and growth.	01:13:19
	In the Midtown area to.	01:13:23
	You know, to heat something else on there that that you know, so we need to take a wise approach on that that will allow us and.	01:13:27
	Yeah, actually I think definitely getting, getting that information back out and, uh.	01:13:34
	You know.	01:13:40
	We're we're up here to make tough decisions and sometimes.	01:13:41
	Unfavorable or decisions that you know people.	01:13:44
	Get extra fees on their bills.	01:13:48
	But we're also hearing a lot of folks complaining about drainage and.	01:13:52
	And storm water issues and.	01:13:56
	This is.	01:13:59
	One way to address that and pay for that and.	01:14:01
	Utilize those funds, you know, for additional crews and.	01:14:04
	Engineering and studies and things that need to be done to make sure the water is flowing like it is so.	01:14:08
	You know, we'll, we'll definitely get that work session together and get that information.	01:14:13
	Dusted off.	01:14:18
	And back out to the current Council.	01:14:19
	And see if we can't.	01:14:22
	Make a decision.	01:14:23
	To implement something.	01:14:24
	I agree with you the three of y'all 100% because.	01:14:26
	And just to remind everybody.	01:14:31
	Hurricane season is right around the corner, and I think it's going to be.	01:14:33
	A pretty wild ride.	01:14:39
	This year and.	01:14:40
	I hope that you know where.	01:14:42
	We're ready for it. I'm going to have a proclamation next meeting where we have no hurricanes.	01:14:44
	Also, just real quickly wanted to.	01:14:51
	Thank Miss Stein for.	01:14:55
	Her and her departments, you know, work this. I attended a couple of sessions that.	01:14:57
	Like say, they were very inclusive.	01:15:02
	Getting information from residents and staff and.	01:15:05
	Builders and developers and trying to incorporate all that to give us.	01:15:09
	Like I say, the vision of Saint Mary's you know that is maintains our tree City status was a.	01:15:13
	A very important.	01:15:19
	Part of that and.	01:15:20
	Appreciate your diligent work and your patience with Council.	01:15:23
	Thank you.	01:15:27
	I got one other thing I wanted to talk about here I did want to mention because Mr. Seals I think brought it up about our solid	01:15:29
	waste fund being.	01:15:33
	A couple $100,000 in the negative.	01:15:37
	During the budget session, we.	01:15:41
	Discuss that there are.	01:15:44
	That was clean up.	01:15:46
	From Helene and the storm, a lot of the funds that were expended there.	01:15:47
	And we're.	01:15:52
	Anticipating A reimbursement from JIMA.	01:15:54
	That.	01:15:58
	Put that balance back into the positive so it is at one time a lean experience expense.	01:16:00
	So it's not that the funds not performing correctly, it was just that.	01:16:08
	That and so that will at least rectify that one situation, Sir.	01:16:11
	And uh.	01:16:16
	I think that's the main things I wanted to.	01:16:18
	Anything else?	01:16:20
	Mr. Horton.	01:16:21
	Mr. Sales, you're getting your flag back.	01:16:23
	Are you rephrase that, you're getting our flag back.	01:16:26
	OK. And we get that Palmetto trimmed as well?	01:16:29
	I have to go out there and do that with my tree song, so.	01:16:34
	OK, a motion to.	01:16:38
	Mr. Jones made that.	01:16:42
	Take it understand.	01:16:43
	Any discussion about that? All those in favor?	01:16:46
	That's unanimous matter.	01:16:50
	Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.	01:16:52